I do?

Yeah. If we had trackbacks, I’d go to the last 20 Illegal Immigration posts and I bet Bryan would have 17 of them.

jaime on August 24, 2007 at 10:10 PM

I did a search on “immigration” and looked at the first 20 posts returned. It supports my theory that only 40% were written by Bryan. Heh. Of course that’s if you include Spencer Responds to Derbyshire, New Hot Air Headlines Page, etc. by you.

I imagine the reason I got the idea that Bryan was writing most of the immigration posts is that, well, I don’t want to say… but this current post is an exception, so it caught my eye.

It isn’t about immigration, it’s about crime. It isn’t America’s fault that Mexico’s government is even more corrupt and diseased than our own, so it isn’t our responsibility to suffer the consequences for their corruption.

It’s understandable that foreign citizens want a better life. I want tomorrow to be better than today as well. But that also isn’t our responsibility, UNLESS and UNTIL they become LEGAL residents of the U.S.

When the argument is on, allowing the left to claim we are anti-immigrant is suicidal to our side of the debate. We MUST keep the context focused, that the law must be encforced, that crimes not be ignored, and that this issue is about criminal behavior.

Fortunately, some politicians out there are smelling the blood in the water, and realizing it’s their own, if they don’t change their direction on this. But every time we let up, they settle back into full-pander mode. The illegal alien lobby won’t back off, neither can we.

…immigrants who are absorbing the mean language of “sanctuary cities,” “lawbreakers” and “deportation.” (WSJ)

Hey, at least they’re learning the language.

WSJ-

Wondrously Suicidal Jackasses.

profitsbeard on August 24, 2007 at 7:25 PM

Beautimous!

HA is addicting isn’t it?

There would, of course, be more Americans and the need for proportionately more unskilled labor. Like any Ponzi scheme we know how that would play out.

Solutions:
-Build the fence
-Let the market dictate the salaries to pay to get farm workers
-Do the research necessary to build robots to do these repetitive tasks.

The Democrats used to attack Bush for not asking the people to sacrifice in war time so here it is; we’ll pay higher prices for our veggies.

Yup, that’s stage two.

MB4 on August 24, 2007 at 10:57 PM

I think it’s been going on quite some time in certain parts of the country. The next amnesty will complete it.

I know MANY of them myself…. And NONE of them (that I’ve talked to about it) are for ‘amnesty’ for their illegal cousins etc. I do know one very nice ‘green carded’ lady (who I would trust with my wallet and my life) who has been trying to get her citizenship for 18 years but they keep ‘losing’ her paperwork at INS/ICE, who kind of would like to have amnesty and ‘open borders’ go through because she would like her son who is a multiple felon on both sides of the border to be able to come and visit her without sneaking in, but even she admits that she doesn’t like the idea of amnesty in general, when she has tried so hard to do everything properly.

. . .
American business can and does productively employ more people than our legal immigration system brings in. Can that be accommodated within a legal framework?

Splunge on August 24, 2007 at 10:30 PM

There you go, that is the dilemma we face. Immigration regulations are, and have to be, restrictive. You can not just open the doors and invite everyone in.

Yet, most of us really are kind hearted people who want everyone else to enjoy freedom, and prosperity, as we do, and there are people who will take advantage of that generosity.

So the real debate is over how restrictive, or how much to relax, our immigration policy, and how vigorously to enforce those regulations.

On top of that, I just had a conversation with my neighbor, who was complaining about all the overtime he had to work, because, he said, his employer couldn’t find qualified applicants because most of the people applying for open positions couldn’t pass the pre-employment drug test, and this state has the highest unemployment rate in the country.

I’m not back yet; I just wandered near a computer for the first time in days and I’m wondering…. Lindsey Lohan’s cocaine-addled driving is a ridiculous non-story, not worthy of the ink the mainstream press is bleeding on her. Yet………

They’re still calling their opponents meanies.

PRCalDude on August 24, 2007 at 9:57 PM

Yup, that’s stage two.

I’d not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The WSJ editorial page is still one of the best there is, and I generally overlook their immigration foible, much as I overlooked The Economist’s inability to write rationally about the gun issue, until their blind spot seemed to grow this year, and bleed over into creeping BDS in about 40 % of their articles, leading me to the point where my subscription will lapse when renewal time comes.

The WSJ is not at that point. And there is a certain integrity in what they do: represent the viewpoint of business. And at the base, they almost have a point: American business can and does productively employ more people than our legal immigration system brings in. Can that be accommodated within a legal framework?

Which is where it gets even more depressing. I don’t like illegal immigration. A nation has a right and an obligation to defend and preserve its borders, and the govt is failing to do its job. I’d be fine with plenty of legal immigration, though. Where I start to get depressed is wondering if the govt is capable of doing a better job of screening for the right legal immigrants, as the status quo is doing, simply by leaving illegals under the radar, and screening by circumstances so that, at least in my area, the illegals often tend to be highly motivated, hard working, entrepeneurial people. Are they really a worse group than what would come in if Chuck Schumer were setting the rules for who’s allowed?

I wonder. So no answers from me, only a lot of internal conflict.

I do?

Yeah. If we had trackbacks, I’d go to the last 20 Illegal Immigration posts and I bet Bryan would have 17 of them.

So the amnesty WSJ and the amnesty politicians Jorge Arbusto, McCain, Graham, Chertoff, Kennedy, etc., more etc, still more etc. are aiding and abetting and facilitating ethnic cleansing.

Of Americans also.

By the way, AP, you usually leave the illegal immigration matters to Bryan. Have you developed a new interest?

I do?

First, a definition:Ethnic cleansing is any governmental or social activity that results in fewer persons of an ethnicity in an area……

70% of Americans are against the war on terror if it means on and on “nation building” in Iraq.

70-80% are against shamnesty.

Why give up your winning hand to try to save a losing one?

Exit question: Is this actually an argument about the war?

No , open borders has been going on since the ’60s. This is an argument about cheap labor.

By the way, AP, you usually leave the illegal immigration matters to Bryan. Have you developed a new interest?

we can’t win securing our borders, why?…because we are…nativists.

Damn, I hate being a nativist, I was hoping to live out my life without anyone finding out.

The reason that amnesty Republicans want this is so that they and/or their campaign contributors can have serf labor. They would probably prefer actual out-and-out slaves but that is illegal.

The reason that amnesty Democrats want this is so that those who are now illegal can become legal and vote for them. Many of them probably also want to do this for the same reason that amnesty Republicans do too.

Does anyone think that many of these amnesty politicians really care one wit otherwise for the illegals.

Does anyone think that any of the amnesty politicians are going to invite these Mexican Indios and Mezclados to join their elite/exclusive golf clubs?

Come to live in their gated communities, other than as servants?

Invite them to their yachts, other than as low paid deck hands and/or servants?

Invite them to their cocktail parties?

Introduce them to their daughters?

The big majority of the Mexicans who have come here/will come here are Indios and Mezclados, not the Spanish descendant light-skinned ruling class of Mexico. This is a form of ethnic cleansing by Mexico’s ruling class.

So the amnesty WSJ and the amnesty politicians Jorge Arbusto, McCain, Graham, Chertoff, Kennedy, etc., more etc, still more etc. are aiding and abetting and facilitating ethnic cleansing.

If the U.N. were not such a joke, they would all be standing trial for trying to reintroduce a form of latter-day-slavery in the United States and for the mass ethnic cleansing of Mexico.

The more I see the WSJ make statements like this, the dimmer my view of American business gets. You hear the left constantly talk about corporate greed and corporate power. The WSJ is the business mouthpiece. I’m starting to believe the left on this issue.

But I have a solution. A tax revolt. If 20 million people would refuse to pay their taxes, (or whatever taxes they could keep out of the government’s hands) nothing could be done because the problem would be too big. You can’t just force 20 million people to pay their taxes.

I admit, it’s easier for people who derive more of their income through 1099 than W2. But W2 people can claim more exemptions at their employer, more charitable contributions, more deductions, and so on.

A tax revolt would show the government a good example of what lawlessness is all about – right where it hurts them the most.