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Too hot for the Times: Vets for Freedom respond to soldiers’ anti-war NYT op-ed

posted at 11:36 am on August 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
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The Times rejected it, possibly because they feel they’ve already made their concession to the pro-war side by running the O’Hanlon and Pollack column that sent the left scrambling for its smelling salts. So the Weekly Standard picked up the slack:

Currently, American and Iraqi Forces are clearing sections of southern Baghdad before turning north to the 82nd Airborne’s neighborhoods. As such, the portrait these soldiers painted, while surely accurate and honest, is more representative of pre-surge Baghdad: sectarian strife, lawlessness, and indiscriminate slaughter.

This is not, however, the picture elsewhere in Iraq, or even most of Baghdad. Additional American combat brigades first surged to the outlying areas around the capital, disrupting the flow of suicide bombers and car bombs and denying haven to al Qaeda.

The result? Attacks against civilians are at a six-month low and large al Qaeda-style truck and suicide bombings have dropped 50 percent in Baghdad. With additional troops and a sound strategy, the same results can occur in even the worst areas of Baghdad, including the 82nd Airborne’s sector.

Totten made the same point not long ago about the strange quiet in some parts of Baghdad, although it’s unclear what proportion of that is due to U.S. troops neutralizing bad actors versus bad actors chasing civilians from the other side out of their neighborhood or out of the city proper. Michael Ware called it “ethnic cleansing” (by which he meant sectarian cleansing) a few weeks ago, but it’s a less bloody form than it would be in the absence of the U.S. security presence. That’s setting the bar awfully low, admittedly, but it’s not a trivial distinction to the Iraqis who have to live with it.

VFF agrees with the NYT soldiers that political reconciliation won’t happen until conditions on the ground make it possible. Where they disagree is how best to get to those conditions: the NYT seven hint that we should side with the Shiites and let them do what they have to do. VFF appears to think U.S. troops can defeat the radicals on both sides, which is a hard argument to be making this morning in light of the news about Pace allegedly wanting (or rather, needing) to cut troop levels in half next year:

According to administration and military officials, the Joint Chiefs believe it is of crucial strategic importance to reduce the size of the U.S. force in Iraq in order to bolster the military’s ability to respond to other threats, a view that is shared by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates…

Before the 2006 Samarra mosque bombing touched off cycles of sectarian violence, military officials believed they were on the path to reducing U.S. forces in Iraq to 10 brigades. Officers in the Pentagon now believe advances in the Iraqi army mean that U.S. and coalition forces may be once again on that path.

On that path, maybe, but it’s a long path. The NIE released yesterday emphasized that Iraqi troops aren’t ready and that “changing the mission of Coalition forces from a primarily counterinsurgency and stabilization role to a primary combat support role for Iraqi forces and counterterrorist operations to prevent AQI from establishing a safehaven would erode security gains achieved thus far.”

Meanwhile, is Iyad Allawi trying to lobby the U.S. into deposing Maliki and installing him as PM? Pretty clearly, yeah.

Update: Surge supporters Fred Kagan and Daveed Gartenstein-Ross agree — for the Iraqi Army, it’s a long, long path.


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Once those violent areas are pacified and manned by Indigs, redeploy our Troops … to Okinawa? No, to the Iranian and Syrian borders.

This war will have have many battlfields, the sooner we accept this fact the sooner we can WIN the war and live in peace.

Tony737 on August 24, 2007 at 11:50 AM

I’m not sure I trust Maliki, but at the same time, the President (for once) is right that it is not the place of the US or Congress to change the elected leader of Iraq. It is the job of the people of Iraq to choose their leaders.

Unfortunately, you get what you vote for.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2007 at 11:50 AM

When is a war, not a war?

I’d say its not a war when politicians believe it OK to surrender… that there will be no consequence.

I’d say its not a war when the Military is NOT expanded to meet needs, but instead is “pulled back” due to “strategic concerns”.

I’d say its not a war when Members of Congress suddenly think THEY are Generals.

I’d say its not a war when members of Congress openly meet with people who ADMIT they are our enemies.

The War Powers Act has destoyed the idea of Total War… we need to rescind it.

Romeo13 on August 24, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Allawi’s Bloc Withdraws From Government

bnelson44 on August 24, 2007 at 12:00 PM

These people who are calling for withdrawal make me sick to my stomach.

Reminds me so much of what Johnson did in Vietnam, we broke the Norths back, they were done, ready to capitulate, instead of finishing them off and demanding they surrender, he backed off to let them ‘think about it’.

That wise move cost many thousands of American lives, kept us there for another seven years and lost a war in which we won all the battles.

Later when Nixon had the north ready to surrender within just two weeks, a Democrat controlled Congress cut the funding, creating the only war loss in American history.

Liberals lost a war we had already won, twice.

Such is the role of cowards in our society, death and loss is their legacy.

Speakup on August 24, 2007 at 12:01 PM

Physical safety is a building block of political liberty.
The American Coalition in Iraq is demonstrating that they can protect the Iraqi in the street: at least where Americans contest the ground.
This is fostering an opportunity for political detente in Iraq, and, imho, any attempt to short-circuit this difficult military and political process of democratic change, needs to be discouraged as it has been in the past.
You break it, you own it…. Iraq is this generation’s Japan.

Randy

williars on August 24, 2007 at 1:17 PM

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bnelson44 on August 24, 2007 at 1:37 PM

82nd Airborne Editorial Debate

bnelson44 on August 24, 2007 at 2:17 PM

So everyone thinks everything should come together all at once. Military, civilian, political…there can’t be a progression.

It has to be like the big bang theory. There was nothing, and then all of a sudden, a universe.

It always happens at one time…everything comes together at once, or it doesn’t exist.

It took the democrats longer to gain control of the senate, then is has for the Iraqi’s to begin gaining control of their country.

If the democrats don’t gain the White House and both houses of the congress, can we say they are an utter failure and they have to pull out of the U.S.?

right2bright on August 24, 2007 at 2:25 PM

We kicked this particular Sunni-Shi’ite hornet’s nest, and we have to control the results.

Or become paper tigers to nuke-aiming jihadis.

We have murderous enemy combatants in a position where we can send them to Allah via our military power.

It’s an accidental development of this conflict, but we should take advantage of any opportunity to kill jihadis that we get.

Iraq is incidental to this necessary warfare against the global Islamofascists.

They’ve stolen enough money from our clumsy largesse to rebuild six countries, so they can only blame themselves for pursuing vendetta and not reconciliation.

Meanwhile, keep tucking jihadis in for their well-deserved dirt naps.

profitsbeard on August 24, 2007 at 10:36 PM


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