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Report: Vick won’t admit in plea deal to gambling or killing dogs; Update: Vick “agreed to the killing of … dogs”; Update: NFL suspends Vick indefinitely

posted at 8:55 am on August 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
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The feds care much less about the particulars of the plea than Vick does, of course, given what they might mean for his career. Still, I’m surprised: they were threatening to add racketeering charges to the indictment last week if he didn’t plead out. Now, allegedly, they’re going to let him walk away without copping to any of the nastiest stuff. I wonder if he threatened to rescind the deal and take his chances with a trial if they didn’t. Although in that case, why wouldn’t the feds call his bluff? They’ve already got three co-defendants rolling over on him.

Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick will not admit to killing dogs or gambling on dog fights, as detailed in his indictment, when he enters a guilty plea in a Richmond, Va., federal court Monday, a source close to the case has told ESPN. Instead, the one count of conspiracy that Vick will plead to will admit guilt to the charge of interstate commerce for the purpose of dogfighting.

The source told ESPN that Vick’s defense team met with federal attorneys Thursday afternoon to determine the “summary of facts” to which Vick will plead, and that his attorneys believed they had a deal. The source said Vick maintains he never killed dogs and never gambled on a dog fight.

He will admit he was present when dogs were killed, but that he did not personally kill any of the dogs.

I guess between the co-defendants’ own shadiness, the celebrity sympathy Vick would get from a jury, and the heat they’re getting from the NAACP, among others, the prosecution figured a trial would be riskier than thought. Probably right, too. The question is, is Roger Goodell going to follow the hard-ass zero-tolerance Kenesaw Mountain Landis example and ban him notwithstanding the legal outcome or will he use the non-admissions as a pretext to save the career of one of the league’s star attractions? According to the ESPN article, assuming a one-year suspension to follow his sentence, he’d be out for two seasons and pushing 30 by the time he came back. Hello, Oakland!

The AJC’s got an interview this morning with his father, a disgruntled former substance abuser currently estranged from Vick, who insists that his son was indeed very much into dogfighting. Believe him or not, your call:

Michael Boddie, in two sometimes tearful interviews with The Atlanta Journal-Constitution this week, said some time around 2001 his son staged dogfights in the garage of the family’s home in Newport News, Va. Boddie also said Vick kept fighting dogs in the family’s backyard, including injured ones — “bit up, chewed up, exhausted” — that the father nursed back to health…

“I wish people would stop sugarcoating it,” Boddie said. “This is Mike’s thing. And he knows it.”

He “likes it, and he has the capital to have a set up like that.”…

Boddie said he cleaned out the home’s garage three times in 2001 to make room for dogfighting sessions held by Vick and his friends.

“I hung around long enough to actually walk in there when an actual dogfight was going on,” Boddie said, but he added that he didn’t stay long.

“It wasn’t my thing,” he said.

He said he had already witnessed test fights of dogs — in which dogs battle to see how well a prospective fighter will perform.

“It’s really something to stand there and watch. You have to have the stomach for it,” he said.

He says eight dogs were kept on the property. A neighbor says she only saw one, and heard nothing.

Update: Semi-related, somehow a parody site slipped through the multiple layers of painstaking fact-checking at MSNBC. And not for the first time, either.

Update: Here’s the plea agreement via the Smoking Gun. No admission to gambling (although he does admit to laying out the money for others to gamble), but click and scroll for dog-killing nuance!

The question now: What to do with his dogs?

Update: Slublog sends the screencap of the key passage for ease of reference. Note the reference to “collective efforts.”

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Update: About that toned-down plea agreement — it didn’t work.

“Your admitted conduct was not only illegal, but also cruel and reprehensible. Your team, the NFL, and NFL fans have all been hurt by your actions.”

“Your plea agreement and the plea agreements of your co-defendants also demonstrate your significant involvement in illegal gambling. Even if you personally did not place bets, as you contend, your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL Player Contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player.”…

“I have advised the Falcons that, with my decision today, they are no longer prohibited from acting and are now free to assert any claims or remedies available to them under the Collective Bargaining Agreement or your NFL Player Contract.”


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This is by doubt the most idiotic comment I have ever read in Hot Air.

You do realize, Romeo, they abolished slavery? The Dems in the South had the same argument as you stated above and we went to war.

kiakjones on August 24, 2007 at 7:23 PM

Yes, your correct… and how did they abolish slavery? They made them NOT property. They declared them people.

As to the killing your wife comment… she is NOT property… but your DOG IS! The guy in Denver will go to jail for shooting his own dog, on his own property. That is what I am referencing.

And I still contend that if a woman can kill her own FETUS, a human being… then we are a pretty silly society if a man will go to jail for killing his own dog.

Romeo13 on August 24, 2007 at 7:32 PM

I have a feeling Romeo is genuinely trying to make a point but sheesh. Not the best example….

JWS on August 24, 2007 at 7:33 PM

Thanks TheBigOldDog

This is also from the headlines.

Blaise did first.

How can some people think they won’t get caught?

Dog fighting is very serious and doesn’t happen in a vacuum he/they had to know exposure would come some day, didn’t they?

Look what Vick has sacrificed to dog fighting, albeit his own fault, a future filled with greatness, down the drain, but for what?

How can a despicable, despised by nearly everyone thing like dog fighting be worth such a loss, an entire life’s promise of greatness…gone.

Not worth it.

Speakup on August 24, 2007 at 7:34 PM

How can a despicable, despised by nearly everyone thing like dog fighting be worth such a loss, an entire life’s promise of greatness…gone.

Not worth it.

Speakup on August 24, 2007 at 7:34 PM

I really don’t think this ignorant thug gives half a sh*t, except for the bling he’ll be missing. This is another reason why I despise college football. What possible reason can there be to expose real students to dangerous sociopaths like Vick and countless others? Because they can run fast? Rapes and assaults on campuses have skyrocketted – go Trojans!…

Anyway, this idiot will be a celeb in da joint. Couple of new tats, and when he gets out, he still has millions in the bank. Believe me, he don’t care…

JWS on August 24, 2007 at 7:43 PM

I do agree with you, Romeo, on some points. I as a human being and a woman whom values life do not want to see innocent children or animals being molested, used for profit, or killed. I have two cats, a cockatiel and a fish tank filled with about 10 fish. I work hard for them. They own me! It is a privilege and an honor to have such wonderful creatures in my own home.

kiakjones on August 24, 2007 at 7:48 PM

How can some people think they won’t get caught?

According to the plea, these morons had shirts and headbands made up with “Bad Newz Kennels” on them. It’s not that they didn’t think they’d get caught, they just didn’t think at all.

TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2007 at 7:49 PM

JWS on August 24, 2007 at 7:43 PM

You painting with a very broad brush there JWS. For every Vick there are dozens and dozens of great human being playing the game. And those players bring in money that pays a substantial portion on the freight for the entire school.

TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2007 at 7:54 PM

they just didn’t think at all

That may be it, comparing the two lives, one, comes up short.

JWS on August 24, 2007 at 7:43 PM

Though I don’t totally agree with you there is some truth in what you’re saying.

I think our academic institutions should be for academics, sports shouldn’t be part of advanced studies.

However I’m sure there are a lot of people who would take exception with that.

Speakup on August 24, 2007 at 7:57 PM

A horse breaks his leg in a race and has to be put down… no big deal…

http://www.slate.com/id/2142159/

Mean beat each other senseless in Boxing, and Pride Fighting… no big deal…

This activity involves two consenting adults in a controlled environment. I don’t like the sport either. But the same can be said for all professional sports.

We slaughter thousands of animals a day in meat packing plants… not a biggy…

It’s used for food and all. Not just for sport with no social gain. Besides, I don’t have the time to do it myself.

Kill a dog, even one you OWN, and boy is it trouble… theres a case here in Denver where a a guy shot his own dog… he’s going to get jail time… yet vets and animal shelters put down animals every day…

I cannot comment on the referenced story without knowing all the relevant details.

Oh, and add in that if a Man causes a woman to miscarry its murder, while she can kill the fetus and its a right…

One is a case of assault as opposed to a protected choice. Hey, they both are murder to me. Society does not benefit at all by allowing people to execute babies.

Now if we could only convince Pregnant Cows to Box to the death. We could have a barbeque after the fight.

Zaire67 on August 24, 2007 at 8:29 PM

How can a despicable, despised by nearly everyone thing like dog fighting be worth such a loss, an entire life’s promise of greatness…gone.
JWS on August 24, 2007 at 7:43 PM

What? I don’t think so. Can you say overrated.

Zaire67 on August 24, 2007 at 8:31 PM

You painting with a very broad brush there JWS. For every Vick there are dozens and dozens of great human being playing the game. And those players bring in money that pays a substantial portion on the freight for the entire school.

TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2007 at 7:54 PM

Agree. There are definitely some great kids playing college ball. The trouble is the marauding illiterate thugs who have no business on a campus. Our colleges serve as a minor league for the NFL and the NBA. Letting someone play, knowing full well that he has no chance, nor any desire to, obtain a legitimate degree, is beyond foul and plenty dangerous. To justify it because said playa’s bring in the cash, helps explain why we’re where we are…

JWS on August 24, 2007 at 8:37 PM

Now if we could only convince Pregnant Cows to Box to the death. We could have a barbeque after the fight.

Zaire67 on August 24, 2007 at 8:29 PM

That or dueling dolphins with spears…

Oh… dam… thats another thread…..

Romeo13 on August 24, 2007 at 8:37 PM

How can a despicable, despised by nearly everyone thing like dog fighting be worth such a loss, an entire life’s promise of greatness…gone.
JWS on August 24, 2007 at 7:43 PM

What? I don’t think so. Can you say overrated.

Zaire67 on August 24, 2007 at 8:31 PM

Uh, Zaire? I didn’t say the above. Speakup did

JWS on August 24, 2007 at 8:39 PM

Yes, it’s a ‘cultural thang’. And it needs to be isolated and repudiated to the full extent of the law.

petefrt on August 24, 2007 at 8:52 PM

My pups would give their lives defending me, and I’d give mine defending them.

Training dogs to be fighters for show, something beyond their natural instincts, then torturing and killing them, has no equivalence in my thinking. If there is a clear cut of behavior that is unquestionably evil, this must be it.

petefrt on August 24, 2007 at 9:16 PM

How can anyone be so lacking in smarts? He could have earned his many millions, given half of it to good causes, and he would have been hailed as a hero. What a waste!

miron on August 25, 2007 at 1:03 AM

He really should be put away for much much longer than what he’ll get. May he feel shame for MANY more years..I doubt he will..narcissistic bastard.

He’s one sick person….and anyone who hires him after needs to keep that in mind. People who go this far in abuse of animals….abuse others, particularly women and children.

I hope we are taking note of those famous in the press sticking up for him…..there may be more rings to bust up. Would not surprise me one bit.

Highrise on August 25, 2007 at 1:59 AM

miron, I agree, that is why this goes beyond smarts imo. What he was involved in was a power/sadist type thing. That knows no bounds of IQ unfortunately.

Highrise on August 25, 2007 at 2:00 AM

Michael Vick will go to prison, get parolled early for “good behavior” and will then be hired by some terrible football team to play for them. He will do some couch time on Oprah shedding a few tears and after a month or so all will be forgotten! C’mon, what universe have you guys been living in? As long as he can throw or catch a football, we don’t give a damn what he did!

sabbott on August 25, 2007 at 5:08 AM

Slightly OT, but with Vick being from Newport News, VA, Surry just across the James River, and Norfolk just across the water from NN, where has PETA been during all this? Shouldn’t Ingrid Newkirk be all over the teevee?

oldleprechaun on August 25, 2007 at 5:57 AM

The dog fighting, reprehensible as it is, is not the biggest issue for me. Torturing already crippled dogs before killing them is the lowest level of moral turpitude.

davod on August 25, 2007 at 7:12 AM

What I’m wondering is where are all the pyschologist who tell us that almost all (human) abusers, first got their start by abusing animals? What else is hidden about Michael Vicks?

moonsbreath on August 25, 2007 at 11:16 AM

My pups would give their lives defending me, and I’d give mine defending them.

Training dogs to be fighters for show, something beyond their natural instincts, then torturing and killing them, has no equivalence in my thinking. If there is a clear cut of behavior that is unquestionably evil, this must be it.

petefrt on August 24, 2007 at 9:16 PM

It might interest you to that Pit Bulls were selectively bred for dog fighting just like a sheep dog was selectively bred to herd sheep. The Pit Bull originally was used to herd cattle and take down marauding bulls. Hence the name of the breed. But they were selectively bred in later years to provide entertainment by fighting other animals, specifically dogs in the late 19th century.

From the American Kennel Assoc.
Their natural aggressive tendencies are toward other dogs and animals, not people

Is it right?

Should it be banned?

As a dog lover, I would say yes it is despicable but you have to remember that this has been going on for over a thousand years.

It is their natural instinct because of selective breeding.

I own a Rottweiler that has been trained for personal defense as a Police Dog and spent 6 months being professionally trained. It is his natural instinct to protect me and with his training to attack someone by a command in German.

The Rottweiler bread originated in Rome and during World War II were selectively bred to become silent guard dogs because they do not bark while protecting their owners. A good trait when using them to go after criminals.

Even though my dog has never displayed any aggressiveness to human beings my insurance company refuses to insure my house without a rider because I own a “vicious dog”.Some people have said I have no right to own such a dog.

My neighbors would disagree, they all love my dog Caesar including the children.

The reason my dog has been labeled a “Vicious Dog” can be traced to the hysteria over dog fighting and some irresponsible owners not the breed.

I think some of you need to learn a little more about dogs and how certain breeds came into existence instead of projecting your feelings of sympathy to explain this situation.

I agree about torturing and killing them but your contention they do not have an instinct to fight other dogs is factually incorrect.

ScottyDog on August 25, 2007 at 3:05 PM

vick is also the idiot that thought it would be funny to sneak pot on the plane in his water bottle:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0118071mexico1.html

Dolt.

Highrise on August 26, 2007 at 4:03 AM

This is a gambling issue as much as it is a cruelty to dogs issue. The NFL PR machine, which has invested in the dinosaur media and cable/sat media, wants the issue to be less about gambling.

Some NFL players, who have been silent lately, have expressed how dog fighting is commonplace in the NFL fraternity. And, since betting on dog fights is what this is all about, gambling is a big problem in the NFL.

Face it. One loves gambling if one uses dog fight gambling for a thrill.

Do we want gambling addicts tainting outcomes in the NFL? (Think about gambling addicted referees fixing NBA games…) Those who control legal and illegal sports betting in the United States would have to consider controlling gambling addicts participating in a NFL game. It’s a logical progression.

Wouldn’t this be a NFL that is dark and phony, an image that is hounding the NBA? The NFL does not want this image. Vick must be removed “indefinitely,” a euphemism for “permanent.”

The torturing and killing of dogs is a horror, but the purpose is to produce the ultimate animal that will help win bets.

saved on August 26, 2007 at 7:26 AM

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) — Rottweilers have passed pit bulls as America’s deadliest dog breed, according to a study released Friday.
The large dogs were involved in 33 fatal attacks on humans between 1991 and 1998, the American Veterinary Medical Association said. (from 2000 article)

The reason my dog has been labeled a “Vicious Dog” can be traced to the hysteria over dog fighting and some irresponsible owners not the breed.
ScottyDog on August 25, 2007 at 3:05 PM

This could be the other reason they are considered vicious.

And this add doesn’t help.

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Not saying your breed or pit bulls are or are not vicious, but publicity and the drive to exclaim any type of Rottweiler or Pit bull attack as “media frenzy”.

Pit bulls can be raised to be great pets, just need a strong hand and firm training, Rottweilers the same.

Bulldogs were raised to attack bulls, dachounds raised to hunt and attack, most dogs were bred for hunting or attacking, or protecting. And they all have the ability to attack, if not raised and trained properly.

Just some people can’t train strong willed dogs like the Rotts and Pits.

added note: why would anyone have a pit or rott (oir any other active dog)in the city with a small yard?

right2bright on August 27, 2007 at 3:24 PM

right2bright on August 27, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Who said I have a small yard?

I have a Rot because of my old Job?

Our Freedoms are being taken away one by one.

ScottyDog on August 28, 2007 at 11:51 AM

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