certain elements of the Christian memes work in such a way to shield all faiths under the guise of “all faiths are worthy of respect”.

This type of thinking creates a justification for moderates to turn a blind eye to religous extremists and therefore encourages extremism to flourish.

JayHaw Phrenzie on August 23, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Its actually the LEFTIST memes that preach “tolerance and respect for all things” no matter how demented they might be. I agree you will find respect for all people in the Bible, even to the extent of love thy enemies. But I don’t recall any verse stating all “faiths” are worthy of respect. I challenge you to find that in the scriptures.

If your “empire” (imperium) is for human rights and freedom of thought, scientific development, rational medical advances, universal education, sanitation, and it vigorously defends its citizens, then what’s wrong with an empire, or “imperialism”?

You either have strength (an “empire”) or you are at the mercy of whoever has the instinctual will to develop their own.

Rome’s water projects still stand as a reminder of what good can come from the “imperial” impulse.

Nothing stands in memorium of Islam’s totalitarian thrust but a big, shiny tomb (the Taj Mahal), some tilework (al-Hambra), and a lots of ruins (former Christian and Jewish and Hindu and Buddhist and Berber and pagan sites throughout the world), and the ridiculous “Muslim universities” whose main production is issuing irrationalistic and superstitious “fatwas”.

Socio-globalism started with the Nazis (expansionistic “national socialists”), who luckily drove away their best scientists, giving us the Bomb first.

It is what each stands for, not their politicized names, that matters.

We defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Islam defends total slavery to a backward, intolerant, brutal thecoracy.

Globalism defends its utopian dream with a more cunning form of slavery than Islam, by aiming to restrict freedom “for the greater good”, instead of working to expand freedom as the primary good, itself.

Christianity produced imperialism
Islam produced jihad
Socialism produced globalism

Saying Christianity produced globalism is terribly flawed. It clearly is very different then imperialism which modern intellectuals complain about. There is little to even debate, Derbyshire is wrong out of the gate on this and Spencer is right.

I’m sure it isn’t PC to say but I think it is a fact that Imperialism is the only one of the 3 that tended to actually benefit its “victims”.

On Internet Explorer, download a toolbar – I recommend Advanced Searchbar, and in the search menu, make sure that the dictionary is there. Merriam-Webster is the one they use, so type the world you want ‘lagniappe’ in the search box, and from the pull-down menu, select dictionary. You’re good to go.

Unfortunately, Firefox doesn’t have any good toolbars except Google.

infidelpride on August 23, 2007 at 3:46 PM

On IE7, I just clicked on the triangle in the upper right corner, selected “Find more providers…”

Then you add a URL that searches for the word TEST

In addition to dictionary.com, I also added a quick link for Bible searches by adding this URL:

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=TEST&qs_version=31&language=english&optional.x=17&optional.y=10

One point that both seemed to have missed. The jihadists aren’t mad because Muslims are in the U.S. They are upset because non-Muslims are anywhere.

corona on August 23, 2007 at 9:36 PM

Rarely, if ever, have truer words been spoken.

It looks like another anti-jihadist has done his homework.

Kudos. :)

Count me in on that list of many others who disagree with him, in my book zane is just a troll.

doriangrey on August 23, 2007 at 5:43 PM

dorian,

I was referring to to others. You were a given. :)

As for “lagniappe”, like others, I’m not ashamed to admit I had to lookup a word that is evidently a creole adoption of a Spanish phrase of regional American usage.

That article should be required reading for anyone posting here on the topics of Islam or religion, damn shame Allahpundit will probably never bother reading it.

So anger over the Church’s meddlesomeness and weakness have been with us a very long time. I think John Locke thought that Protestantism and his own doctrines in support of toleration would be enough to make Christianity manageable in regimes founded to secure liberty.

One problem seems to be that, as tolerant as the Christians have become, post-Christian left-liberals have gone farther and turned toleration into a suicide pact. It seems left-liberals took a tendency, native to Christianity and nurtured by Locke, and made it an exaggerated, ridiculous, but also dangerous caricature. Yet the further problem is that it’s been altogether too easy for them to bring the Christians partway along with them.

Understand, I think it’s great that the Christians have renewed their toleration for the Jews and that they’ve developed toleration for the atheists and for peaceable members of the other peaceable faiths. I just think that Christians, Jews, atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, Aristotelians, and everyone had better draw the line at toleration of Islam. Without Islam, everyone could peaceably discuss the Truth until Judgment Day or until the universe falls back in on itself. But Islam combines murderousness and parasitism with a conditional patience that masquerades as toleration. I think everyone is foolish to let muslims multiply in their lands or to calmly give money to muslims in exchange for “their” oil, as if you don’t know they’re using the money to spread terror and a most ridiculous faith.

I and many others tend to disagree with you.

Count me in on that list of many others who disagree with him, in my book zane is just a troll.

Can this thread swap places with the 750+ thread? Or do you go by ratings, rather than most recent?

Riehl World View

I think we are at the height of the slow or perhaps silly season when it comes to discussing news, current events and politics. If you want to have a look:

Sullivan is fighting with Victor Davis Hanson

Spencer is fighting with Derby…

no comment, and im not a troll, im a person.

zane on August 23, 2007 at 1:02 PM

Based on your “response” to Robert’s rebuttal of Derbyshire’s critique on Pajamas, I and many others tend to disagree with you.

Remember, once you get on the troll list it is nigh impossible to get off.

if we have to convince some of the leading intellectual lights of “conservatism” about the virtues of Christianity vs. Islam, what hope do we really have?

PRCalDude on August 23, 2007 at 12:58 PM

We just need to reconsider who we call leading intellectual lights of “conservatism”

I agree with Spencer that the all-too-common “what about the Crusades?” question is completely irrelevant to the current situation. The Crusades event is a brief blip in history and is so far removed from Christianity today.

Not to mention completely misunderstood and mischaracterized by many Christians today.

The Real History of the Crusades

Derbyshire is a hack. I cancelled my long-time subscription to NR because I was sick of reading his crap. I also boycott NRO out of principle. Derbyshire is anything but conservative or libertarian. He’s just a cranky, anal whiner.

windbag on August 23, 2007 at 4:19 PM

My chief problem with Derb is that he’s an intellectual lightweight. This isn’t a blanket-attack on all atheists, as I believe it’s entirely possible to defend atheism without attacking religion per se, but the old Derb-ster seems to take the path of least resistance in making all of us Christian kooks seem like the unreasonable ones. Where’s the tolerance, Derb?

Moreover, why is it that otherwise intelligent people who happen also to be atheists so often end up saying such ridiculous things when defending atheism and attacking Christianity?

And in contrast, they seem to sound most reasonable when they offer due praise to Christians (a la Oriana Fallaci).

Unfortunately, Firefox doesn’t have any good toolbars except Google.

Kini on August 23, 2007 at 3:15 PM

doriangrey on August 23, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Cool and cool!

if you’re using Firefox, pull down the list of your search engines, click “Manage Search Engines,” then click “Get more search engines.” Merriam Webster will be one of them.

Didnt know that, thank you……

Loundry on August 23, 2007 at 2:45 PM

The Christian memes are in general less toxic than the Islamic memes, however, certain elements of the Christian memes work in such a way to shield all faiths under the guise of “all faiths are worthy of respect”.

This type of thinking creates a justification for moderates to turn a blind eye to religous extremists and therefore encourages extremism to flourish.

However, to answer your question, in the same way that Chicken Pox is less toxic than Smallpox, I ag ree Christianity Memes are less toxic than Islamic memes.