The Hispanic population is growing beyond Mexicans. Even if we deported every single illegal alien in this country, Hispanics would still be the fastest growing ethnic group. And as for California, Peter Wilson made the mistake with Proposition 187 of not winning the message game. He played right into the hands of those who wanted to make it racial as opposed to about law and because he didn’t frame. Though the measure passed and he won a short term victory, his message clumsiness has turned the state even bluer. I expect the message-retarded blowhards on our side are working on further reducing our electoral possibilities by poorly communicating to the fastest growing demographic in reliably red states like Colorado, Florida, Arizona, etc.

blackrepublican on August 22, 2007 at 6:36 PM

I disagree with your contention about prop 187. It was a winning issue then and it was a winning issue when we recalled Gray Davis for giving Drivers Licenses to Illegals in California. Arnold’s whole campaign was based on repealing the driver license law for Illegals.

I also disagree with your contention the Hispanics are going to be the largest voting block. The statistics do not back up your contention.

According to Steve Sailer,In 2006, the Long Predicted Tidal Wave of Angry Hispanic Voters Failed to Materialize Once Again;

Whites accounted for 81% of the votes in 2006, unchanged from 2002. In absolute numbers, an additional 5.6 million whites cast ballots in the 2006 election compared with the 2002 election. Blacks accounted for 10% of the votes in 2006, down from about 11% in 2002. The black vote increased by 400,000 in 2006

The 5.6 million votes cast by Hispanics in 2006 represented 13% of the total Hispanic population. The 9.9 million votes cast by black represented 27% of the black population and the 78 million votes cast by whites represented 39% of the white population.

So, non-Hispanic white residents of America voted in 2006 at three times the rate of Hispanic residents.
Overall, whites cast almost 12 ballots for every ballot cast by a Hispanic

The RNC tried to pander to the Hispanic vote and it has failed miserably. They should stick to conservative values and they will win every time. Like enforcing our immigration laws and smaller government.

This just about makes you sick:
If President Bush is serious about getting tough on U.S. employers who hire illegal aliens, he can start with his own administration, which employs thousands of unauthorized workers, says the top Republican on the House …

No, I don’t necessarily think it’s a happy number. My point is that I don’t view welfare as a motivating factor for immigration. Perhaps there are polls out there that show that this is true though.

blackrepublican on August 22, 2007 at 10:24 PM

Well, you and I will be footing the bill for the next amnesty. Funny, the Roman Empire turned into a giant welfare state before it collapsed. Oh well. What’s another 100 million poor people?

blackrepublican on August 22, 2007 at 3:35 PM

Here you have $0.98 change coming back to you. Heh Heh

blackrepublican on August 22, 2007 at 8:59 PM

I might add that I still don’t think your statistics make them look good. In 2003, they were what, 10% or less of the U.S. populaton? They’re vastly over-represented in the welfare benefits they use. Whites, being 66% of the population, are underrepresented as only 33% of the welfare recipients.

In 2004, 50 percent of Hispanic households used at least one form of welfare, compared to 47 percent of blacks and 18 percent of whites (see Figure 6).(20) In 2005, 13 percent of Hispanic households used food stamps, as opposed to five percent of white households. Puerto Rican households were more than four times more likely than whites to use food stamps and Mexicans almost three times more likely.(21) Non-citizens are generally ineligible for many forms of welfare; if many Hispanics were to gain citizenship, Hispanic welfare use would rise.

20. US Census Bureau, Current Population Survey, Annual Social and Economic Supplement, 2005 (Washington, DC: USCB, 2005), http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032005/pov/new26_001.htm. Accessed June 19, 2006.

21. Current Population Survey, March 2005.

PRCalDude on August 22, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Is this based on polls or Dobbs? The data is a little old but according to HHS FY 2003, we have 2,027,600 on welfare. 32% are white, 38% Af-Am, 25% Hispanic, 2% Asian, 1.5% Native American. From FY 2000 to FY 2003, there’s actually been a minuscule drop among blacks and Hispanics. Looking at percentage representation for Hispanics, it seems we’re far from a crisis. We would have a crisis if we adopted open borders policy but I think it would most likely impact other social services (emergency rooms, insurance, etc) predominantly. I think most illegals are coming here to work but I’d be interested in seeing any data that you have.

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Hispanic voters tend to be more socially conservative and family-oriented which on its face seems to be a good fit with the family values party.

blackrepublican on August 22, 2007 at 7:42 PM

Yes, but the desire for more welfare trumps all of that. They know where their bread is buttered.

Well 30-40% of them were voting Republican (or at least for W and Jeb though Cornyn held his own as well). We were winning white Catholic voters and some Hispanic Catholic voters on the pro-life issue and anti-gay marriage issue. Also Hispanic evangelicals are growing especially Hispanic Pentecostals and they were receptive to greater school accountability and the faith-based initiative. I can’t remember the polling but I think school vouchers are pretty popular as well. Hispanic voters tend to be more socially conservative and family-oriented which on its face seems to be a good fit with the family values party.

Thank you, ColtsFan. I was actually unaware of these guys. I’m going to see if they have any churches in Boston.

Are you cool with these guys?

I like these guys the best. I actually went to their conference in Chicago, Illinois. Pretty good teaching.

Thanks for your earlier comments.

blackrepublican on August 22, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Unfortunately, your comment about a black/white coalition is sadly true.

Also, you are right about many whites being concerned about too many browns in the mix. The Katrina pictures of thousands of blacks standing around waiting to be saved while the news media talked about New Orleans looking like a third world country was a wake up call. The New Orleans welfare system condemned those people to be economically and academically non-competitive. When I worked as a salesman in the inner city neighborhoods as a grocery supplier to small stores, I saw the horizontal discrimination and the deep belief that so many browns had that they didn’t have the juice to get in the economic game. I realized that I had people growing up just a few miles away from me, and I couldn’t understand their speech. There were two different worlds within the same city that didn’t even speak the same language.

Having Millions of illegals here just sets up another underclass that we will try to assimilate. I would rather try and elevate the opportunity of our own underclass citizens and assimilate them first.

When I looked at Katrina, I saw a problem not with Fima, but with welfare and vote farming. Add amnesty to millions of illegal Hispanics to the mix, and our problems just got much bigger. Different worlds in the same small towns based on race or culture is not good. We have plenty of American citizens that need our resources and attention to help them achieve the American dream, and millions more illegals just divert resources and attention.

That’s where I’m coming from.

Well, whites don’t vote monolithically Republican. They already split their votes between Republicans and Democrats and young people are trending even more Democrat (regardless of race). So we have a shrinking base for the Republican party and instead of figuring out how to enlarge the base, we should just hold the fort until we’re electorally overwhelmed. You can’t be serious. Republicans have been absent from the game with both blacks and Hispanics. We don’t know how to communicate. It’s a miracle I became Republican because I sure as hell didn’t know there was room for me in the party.

We don’t have the option of writing off the fastest growing blocks of the electorate just because we suck at communicating with them or the Democrats have kicked our asses for so long that we feel defeatist. If we do, we can forget about every issue we care about because we are by default handicapping ourselves politically and setting the stage for the votes to shift to a party dominated by the DailyKos and Cindy Sheehan and its tinfoil theories and national policy prescriptions.

The Hispanic population is growing beyond Mexicans. Even if we deported every single illegal alien in this country, Hispanics would still be the fastest growing ethnic group. And as for California, Peter Wilson made the mistake with Proposition 187 of not winning the message game. He played right into the hands of those who wanted to make it racial as opposed to about law and because he didn’t frame. Though the measure passed and he won a short term victory, his message clumsiness has turned the state even bluer. I expect the message-retarded blowhards on our side are working on further reducing our electoral possibilities by poorly communicating to the fastest growing demographic in reliably red states like Colorado, Florida, Arizona, etc.

“Hunter campaigning in Texas since last week noted “The Texas border remains wide open.” Hunter continued, “Not a single inch of border fence has been built in Texas since President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act into law.”

The meager 17.9 miles of fence that has been finished are in different states. The department of Homeland Security has the money and the mandate, but “the administration has a ‘case of the slows’ in getting the fence built.” He pledged that he would see that the fence is constructed within six month after his election as President.”

Blacks don’t trust Republicans going back to the time that Barry Goldwater voted against Civil Rights because of federalist arguments but then proceeded to win votes from those who opposed Civil Rights for more sinister reasons. He lost the PR debate and we now have 10% of blacks or so voting Republican. We are about to lose the PR debate with the Hispanic vote which will comprise 1/3 of America by 2050.

Blacks vote along for the party they think best represents their race. So do hispanics. That party will never be the Republicans. Just look at California. The best Republicans can hope for is closing off the borders and trying to represent whites as best they can, because that’s their voting block, period. The more Mexicans that come, you’re right, the smaller the Republicans’ chance of getting elected. Pandering to them means opening the borders, and the Democrats will get credit for that no matter what the Republicans to do. The MSM PR machine will see to that. Like it or not, Mexicans will vote along racial lines, though slightly less monolithically than blacks. Given that 90% of the up-and-coming Mexican politicians in the US are Democrats, guess who they’re going to vote for? Messaging doesn’t matter as much as race to them, and they see nothing wrong with promoting their race. They also can’t imagine whites not doing the same.

Fourth, my lower income black friends are amused by the sudden professed concern about their job opportunities now that the white proportion of the population is declining and they need the numbers that an alliance between blacks and whites would provide. I haven’t found a good rebuttal for them yet other than to shift the conversation to the fact that most black leaders ignore the negative impacts of illegal immigration because of the fabled, black-brown coalition fantasy.

Pretty true. There is no black-brown coalition. They fight each other in prison and it spills out into the streets. I have no idea why black leaders pretend it exists. But Mexico operates like Jim Crow America. The darker you are, the lower your status in society. Maybe you should tell your friends that. The more we become like Mexico, the more your friends will be faced with a return to Jim Crow, if they are old enough to remember it.

None of these thoughts of mine are original. I guess I’ve just been reading VDARE too much. But Peter Brimelow et al seem to have the most accurate understanding of reality. The 1965 immigration act, in addition to changing our demographic makeup, immediately started depressing wages for blacks. Something to consider.

So, you’re suggesting Beyonce’s hit “Irreplacable” for the 2008 anti-illegal campsign theme song?

“To the left… to the left...”?

Hmmm…

Might work.