New Jihad Watch: The Left and the Jihadists
posted at 8:57 am on August 22, 2007 by Allahpundit
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How the left can support groups that are completely opposite from them and are against everything they support is a bit confusing. We on the right may not agree with them on most issues, but we do see areas where compromise may be possible. And yet we’re the ones those on the left choose to vilify. I don’t think I’ll ever understand them.
Kowboy on August 22, 2007 at 9:06 AM
is it true you dont speak or read arabic Mr Spencer?
zane on August 22, 2007 at 9:15 AM
zane-
Did Theo Van Gogh know Arabic?
profitsbeard on August 22, 2007 at 9:23 AM
A classic ad hominem, and only on the second comment. What will you do for your next trick, zane?
Bryan on August 22, 2007 at 9:24 AM
Dunno, why don’t you troll on over to JihadWatch and ask him?
Kowboy on August 22, 2007 at 9:24 AM
Fantastic Robert.
I think you’re right, they still think Christianity is the real threat to them. It’s their traditional enemy and the one they are most comfortable fighting. Until they are forced to face reality, they’ll just continue doing what they’ve always done.
TheBigOldDog on August 22, 2007 at 9:29 AM
I think it can be summarized as “the enemy is us.”
Most of the liberals are white. They blame white people for all problems in the world.
Most of the liberals are christian. The blame Christians for all the problems in the world.
The only time liberals focus on an other for global pathologies is when they’re talking about conservatives.
Liberals will blame all the problems of the world on any characteristic that describes them except for liberal. The only thing they won’t accost for the source of problems is their own liberalism. Heck, they don’t even call themselves liberals, they’re “progressives.”
BKennedy on August 22, 2007 at 9:37 AM
Is it true that you are gray, Zane?
Wtf does Robert Spencer’s language skills have to do with his understanding? Just like the Holy Bible, the koran is translated and analyzed in every language.
Spencer destroys his “scholarly” islamic opponents in open debate, and that’s why you’re here trying to undermine his credibility, isn’t it?
You can’t refute him, so you assault his credentials.
I can’t believe I actually wasted the time to answer you.
Keith_Z on August 22, 2007 at 9:40 AM
I read the Time Out article you linked to and Mr. Spencer referred to. The thing was either a complete send up (joke) or, the man that wrote it is a lunatic…
The comments to the article were interesting but self selected by the puplication. They note that they had never received the huge volume of emails or comments on the site before.
Babs on August 22, 2007 at 9:44 AM
Way to go, Robert. You give excellent insights, as usual. Those on the left are so blinded by their own views they can’t see that they’re helping those who would hinder their professed ideals.
Way to go, Zane. You give excellent fodder that only helps to further Robert’s own point… again, as usual.
flutejpl on August 22, 2007 at 9:45 AM
Hey zane, I usually don’t see you post in other threads, but you are always in the Robert Spenser threads attacking him. So how much does CAIR pay you for that?
Maxx on August 22, 2007 at 9:51 AM
My money is on zane making one of those “hateful comments that Mr. Spencer attracts” that will be coincidentely be picked up by CAIR for the 10 minutes it’s left standing.
BKennedy on August 22, 2007 at 9:56 AM
Thank you Robert, keep the truth coming.
There are far too many cases where Jihadist who became human bombs relished wine, women, and song to excess. This was rationalized as blending in with their surroundings. They were were unable to handle real life because their brainwashing was so embedded that the implanted message does not allow them to separate fact from fiction.
Thus, the invisible messenger in their head was stronger then their own free will, evidenced by their committing suicide without any regard for those around them when they pushed the button.
MSGTAS on August 22, 2007 at 9:57 AM
The best way to show the crazy logic of the left…..just show a clip of it coming out of their own mouths. That Michael Moore clip was perfect.
jjjen on August 22, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Thank you for making it self-evident that you have no means of rebutting the actual SUBSTANCE of Spencer’s commentary.
I for one appreciate you conceding the debate so quickly and easily.
Professor Blather on August 22, 2007 at 10:20 AM
the reason why the left and the Jihadist are aligning? my answer is because they are both at their roots a death cult.
the Left’s worldview is built on a Logical Fallacy: moral/cultural relativism. They are Nihilistic and anti-Christian/anti-God, Nihilism says man is nothing, zero. That we came in existence by pure chance, luck, randomness and all that exist is material or energy that is constantly evovling. This all of course means there is no meaning to Life, which means nothing should suprise us. This is the dominant view in our culture, Hollywood says this constantly, rock music says it, its everywhere. It should be of no suprise that the left are so adamament for abortion on demand, aren’t reproducing themselves, promote homosexuality as a philosophical movement, etc. It’s all connected to their worldview.
If life has no real meaning, then committing Suicide like say the Columbine Killers(who referenced Darwin and this whole theory as taught in schools), or a Kurt Cobain or the founder of Abstract Art(artistic expression of a meaningless existence)…that these people would commit suicide. They took this worldview and philosophy to its logical conclusion. ………….similarly the Jihadist worship death.
jp on August 22, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Under Islam the left will have zero voice. Look at what’s going on in Malaysia right now and you will see the future under Islam. The first time the “Breasts not Bombs” woman march down the street will be their last. The first gay pride event will be the last. It will be a true hell on earth for the left. I work with a guy that said something along these lines. Islam will take over the world and fail. When they fail they will then turn to us, the liberals, to bail them out of the mess they have created. The true utopia will be after Islam destroys the fascism of the religious right and then collapses in on itself. Then the left will ride to victory from the ashes. Islam is just a weapon against the true enemy which is the fascism of the religious right. Yes, he was serious.
jmarcure on August 22, 2007 at 10:29 AM
Did FDR speak German or Japanese? Did Truman, Kennedy, Nixon or Reagan speak Russian?
Bigfoot on August 22, 2007 at 10:30 AM
As I’ve said before, the leftists want to create a Marxist utopia in place of the USA, but realize the only way they can do this is to eliminate our current government and culture. So they favor anyone and everyone who wants to destroy us, seeing it as an opportunity for them to take over.
I didn’t say lefties were very bright, just anti-American.
stonemeister on August 22, 2007 at 10:54 AM
The leftist’s strategy here is, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
The leftists are watching their credibility slipping away steadilyl, day by day now. They’ve gone too far and they know it. That’s unfortunate for them, what with the elections coming up fast and all. Like the jihadists their last gasps will grow more and more desperate. Expect it.
The complicity of the dinosaur media in all this cannot be overstated. It’s the only reason there haven’t been angry mobs with torches and pitchforks storming the msm studios and offices of once well-respected periodicals and newspapers.
Like turning a battleship, this perversion is going to take a while to turn around. But it’ll happen. Watch and see.
techno_barbarian on August 22, 2007 at 11:14 AM
How many Muslims speak Arabic??? Get a grip…
Miss_Anthrope on August 22, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Robert can certainly speak for himself, but I do remember a few weeks ago in some context (I don’t know if it was JW video here), Robert dissected a long Arabic phrase (which he spoke) and highlighted an important difference in meaning depending on how a given part of the phrase was translated.
zane is like an imam I saw on TV arguing with a woman (Irshad Manji?) over aspects of the Qur’an concerning women. He had a pasted-on smile and tried to appear erudite and reasonable. As she demolished his arguments, point-by-point, he finally screamed “You’re nothing but a woman, and you’ve never read the Qur’an in Arabic - you have NO right to even speak about Islam, much less criticize it!…”
eeyore on August 22, 2007 at 11:20 AM
The word of the day: Solicitude
- The Cat
MirCat on August 22, 2007 at 11:23 AM
More plain common sense from Robert Spencer, but for the left that is immaterial.
As Zane so readily illustrates Robert’s point, that instead of answering, the left merely smears. Thankyou for proving Robert Spencer’s point practically as soon as the word’s left his mouth, Zane. Yes trolling works, but the troll rarely comes off looking like anything but a troll.
Liberalism and islamism are both ideologies and for ideologues reason and discussion have no place in this world. Hence Robert’s arguments will never have the slightest impact on them.
Aylios on August 22, 2007 at 11:27 AM
Why do I get the uneasy feeling that this mis-understanding of the left stems from the conservative’s naive practice of taking the liberals words at face value?
Liberals claim to be the champions of free speech, but they are the ones most eager to practive censureship. Liberals claim to be the champions of civil rights, yet they are the biggest racists on the planet. Liberals claim to be the champions of civil liberties, yet they want to crush us with overbearing big government.
Liberals always claim that they have the solution to every problem, but very nearly ALWAYS after their “solution” has been implemented, it has exactly the opposite of it’s purported intended effect.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on August 22, 2007 at 11:37 AM
Zane, Inta humar because Surmayye a’raasac.
- The Cat
P.S. No I really don’t speak it. Cut and Paste baybeez!
MirCat on August 22, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Islam and the Left both hate America, hate freedom, and hate all that this country stands for. In short, Liberals are the enemy within, doing all they can to aid the jihadists in thier quest to defeat America.
jdawg on August 22, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Thank God for Robert Spencer. He is truly enlightening and a very brave and forthright man. It’s too bad George and his guys don’t read Robert, as evidenced by their lack of knowledge on the subject, and their constant giving in to the ‘religion(cult) of peace’ demands. If I had the money I’d send the President a copy of all of Mr. Spencers’ books and writings. Maybe he could become more educated on the subject and be for our country instead for Islam.
countywolf on August 22, 2007 at 11:57 AM
Once again kudos to Mr. spencer for an insightful and thought-provoking piece.
The left’s willingness to embrace America’s enemies and undermine America’s defense and her values, even in the face of attacks on our own soil (assuming 9/11 wasn’t an inside job - how do you do that sarcasm thingy?) is most problematic because it slows or paralyzes our response to the jihadi threat.
Ancient Greece, Reneissance Italy, and I am sure other societies were made up of nation-states. Notwithstanding the civil war, there may come a time when America may have to peacably divide herself. Perhaps a national referendum, creating the United Red States of America and the United Blue States of America.
Blue state America would likely cling to the two coasts, have open borders, a small military, a large government, high taxes, easy access to abortion, gay marriage, and so on. Red state America would be comprised of the southern and interior states and have strong borders, a strong military, a small government, low taxes, restrictons on abortion, traditional marriage, and so on.
It would be interseting to see what those two Americas looked like in 50 years. I believe, and what the left misses, is that in 50 years, Red state America would continue to be a vibrant, innovative, and militarily and economically strong superpower. Blue state America will be a vassal of the caliphate.
ncc770 on August 22, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Zane,
Is it true a few men who speak and read Arabic actually don’t beat their wives or treat their own daughters as if they were only worth half a man?
doufree on August 22, 2007 at 12:24 PM
nation-states = city-states. Sorry.
Oh! That’s where the preview button is.
ncc770 on August 22, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Great clip Bryan I am so amazed how right on RS is in all is writings and talks. I wish he was on Fox or some other mainstream tv to wake people up. Keep up the awesome work, thanks.
bones47 on August 22, 2007 at 12:26 PM
zane on August 22, 2007 at 9:15 AM
Islamic intellectual dishonesty at it’s finest, it would in typical Islamic form be so easy to dismiss Robert’s work if only you could make that old tired claim that unless one speaks and reads Arabic that they cannot understand what the Koran is actually saying. The problem for you here of course, besides being shown as the intellectually dishonesty troll that you are, that Robert is in spite of being a Christian by faith is an Arab and one perfectly fluent in Arabic as well.
But it never was your intention to debate Robert on the substance of his comments, but to cast aspersions upon his character as all you had to do was visit his site to find out that he is fluent in Arabic, as if somehow his Blogging the Koran series didnt give that away by now.
I would at this point say shame on you zane, but it’s pretty obvious that like most Muslims you have no sense of shame only a commitment to enslave the rest of the world to your pedophile murder liar and thief prophet (Pig Urine Be Upon Him).
doriangrey on August 22, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Wow… that Time Out article was… amazing.
Oh, and Babs…
… and have since been removed and disabled.
I suppose the article makes sense, if you’re a clueless optimist with absolutely no concept of history, and thus have no examples of these changes actually being implemented in any society throughout history.
But if you have any historical knowledge whatsoever, then you know each “benefit” listed, is a huge detriment when enforced. I guess they’re hoping that all of their readers will be uneducated and have no historical background to compare with their claims.
gekkobear on August 22, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Excellent commentary by Mr. Spencer.
Another great resource on the subject is “Unholy Alliance” by David Horowitz
infidel4life on August 22, 2007 at 1:00 PM
Excellent insight Robert Spencer.
Zane…smiles at the silly boy.
MarkB on August 22, 2007 at 1:01 PM
The words of wisdom that comes from Robert Spencer’s works always leaves me wanting more. His knowledge and observations should be more main stream.
Sure Zane wants to know if Robert Spencer speaks Arabic, That’s always been Islam’s final and absolute defense against critics of Islam who don’t speak Arabic. Just like Islamic scholars who say women have no voice in debating Islam because they are women. As well as claiming Infidels who critics Islam are racist, or Muslims who critics Islam are apostates. Islam has a build in defense mechanism.
Robert Spencer’s fact base logic drives Islamic appeasers and Liberals insane. In turn earning him the honorable title, Islamophobe. Keep up the good work Mr. Spencer.
KC
KCtheKat on August 22, 2007 at 1:06 PM
So … if you don’t speak Arabic, you cannot say anything about Islam? Does this mean that all non-arabic speaking Moslems are automatically not able to even comment on the Quran, and canot really be followers of Islam?
I guess all those Indonesians must now be apostates.
Kristopher on August 22, 2007 at 1:22 PM
He very much does. And even if he didn’t, every English language translation of the Qur’an and Hadith speaks for themselves.
mram on August 22, 2007 at 1:58 PM
Osama won the love of liberal hearts when he blamed 9/11 on the Crusades. Liberals are so consumed with rejecting Judeo-Christian traditions that they thought they found a fellow traveler they could work with. The maintain their cognitive disonence by simultaneously equating all forms of religions fundamentalism, ignoring the fact that Islamic fundamentalism and Christian fundamentalism are polar opposites in every way that matters.
zane - I don’t speak Arabic. Does that make me a chickenhawk?
pedestrian on August 22, 2007 at 2:11 PM
FYI- Oregon Public Broadcasting aired “Islam vs. Islamists” last night, with a discussion following, with a rep. of CAIR and Dr. Jasser, who was in the film. Very interesting.
B26354 on August 22, 2007 at 2:25 PM
zane…
How many of those American prison/gang trash CAIR funded converts even speak teh ENGLISH, MUCH LESS ARABIC?
Pack it in, blowhole.
seejanemom on August 22, 2007 at 2:37 PM
Why is everyone commenting to Zane? He can not read reason, it is above him
The time out article is truly scary. Especially that so many people are so stupid to actually believe that any one that is not in love with Islam is a “rascist”. Islam is a religion, it has nothing to do with race. I hate stupid people, their race has nothing to do with it, so I am not a rascist.
Wyrd on August 22, 2007 at 2:47 PM
I disagree, while I find Mr Spencer’s work and knowledge of Islamofacism to be far more extensive than mine, he misses the boat on liberalism.
Liberalism is about controlling other people. Many of the truths they ignore are blunt obvious, and you can’t be intentionally stupid. The lies they embrace are just as obviously lies.
If you can distinguish truth from lies, yet you shun the truth for the lies it is for a purpose. Much of what the left does is to cause confusion and doubt among the lazy and disenchanted. Do you really think AlGore believes in Global Warming? Do you really think the English believe the UK would be better off as an Islamic state? Do you believe McCain sees immagration as anything other then a vessel used to continue his stay in office and continue corporate servitude?
Rode Werk on August 22, 2007 at 2:55 PM
So, let me get this straight…if Spencer doesn’t speak/read arabic, he has no qualifications to comment?
I guess by that logic, unless he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic, and Greek, and Latin, every thing that Mohammed said about Jews and Christians is unqualified dribble. And being ignorant of those languages doesn’t seem to stop any immam does it?
Can we say CULTURAL MEGALOMANIA, Zane?
Catseye on August 22, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Catseye-
I doubt Mohammad spoke Hebrew, s according to Zane, Mohamads words and opinions are also invalid
(sorry, couldn’t resist tossing hat in)
Wyrd on August 22, 2007 at 3:02 PM
I don’t understand what speaking Arabic has to do with the motive behind Islam. Please to explain.
Kini on August 22, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Thanks. I’m only on occasionally, so I’m not familiar with this individual.
Catseye on August 22, 2007 at 3:52 PM
zane - care to clarify, rebut, explain, discourse………..zane?
eeyore on August 22, 2007 at 4:18 PM
It doesn’t. When faced with a critic of the Islamicist agenda, many Muslims and their defenders will try to advance the notion that unless you study Islam in it’s original Arabic, you can’t possibly understand it. Nevermind that most Muslims don’t speak Arabic and they have no problem translating it into other languages.
If a critic of Islam does speak Arabic, they then claim that only a Muslim can understand Islam. If you’re a Muslim moderate critical of the fundamentalists who speaks Arabic, then you’re an apostate.
Basically they don’t want to debate Mr. Spencer on substance, because they know they can’t- instead they claim he’s wrong because he’s a Christian and because he doesn’t speak Arabic fluently.
Hollowpoint on August 22, 2007 at 4:46 PM
You can’t understand
ChristianityIslam unless you’re aChristianMuslim.Nonfactor on August 22, 2007 at 5:21 PM
That’s true, its scriptural and you proved it, your the guy that doesn’t know Noah from Moses …. remember ? I do.
Maxx on August 22, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Which one had the colorful coat?
Nonfactor on August 22, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Are you offering Bible lessons now Nonfactor ?
Maxx on August 22, 2007 at 5:47 PM
I always wondered how a leftist atheist can hate Christians and Jews, but be fine with Muslims. But then I remembered that the Left never makes sense.
Seriously, I just think the Left is using “Islamophobia” and other bogus things just to advance their own agenda. They’ve always portrayed the Right as rich white racist Bible-thumping bigots. Give them special treatment and snipe everyone who complains with a “bigot” label. Works every time.
Islam and Muslims are just means to an end when it comes to the Left. Play the victims to gain a lead, then drop them when they aren’t useful anymore.
MaelstromX on August 22, 2007 at 5:49 PM
‘Religion of Peace’ is in the mail… woohoo!
Elton John?
BadgerHawk on August 22, 2007 at 5:51 PM
Nonfactor on August 22, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Logic fallacy much…Oh wait the answer to that would be every chance you get. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Apparently being ignorant of Christianity and commenting on it simply is not enough for you, you also insist on being ignorant of Islam and ranting about it as well.
Unlike Christianity, Islam has no Holy Spirit and no doctrinal position regarding revelations of the Holy Spirit, hence your ignorant attempt at equivocation.
doriangrey on August 22, 2007 at 5:54 PM
Maxx on August 22, 2007 at 5:47 PM
Every chance he gets, not withstanding his demonstrated ignorance on the subject but like a trooper he never lets little inconvenient thing like fact or truth get in his way.
doriangrey on August 22, 2007 at 5:57 PM
Hilarious. Just last night I was discussing where to draw The Line on religion with some friends. I rattled off some things in the Q’u”r”‘a”"n, and then followed with the parenthetical that inevitably a Muslim would say that because Allah dictated to Mo in Arabic, any translation to another language would be imperfect, and therefore not relevant.
And within hours I’m proven right.
The Monster on August 22, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Sometimes a joke is just a joke.
Nonfactor on August 22, 2007 at 6:06 PM
Zane and Nonfactor sittin’ in a tree,
Ignoring facts conveniently.
infidel4life on August 22, 2007 at 6:24 PM
How long did that gem take you?
Nonfactor on August 22, 2007 at 6:29 PM
Nonfactor on August 22, 2007 at 6:06 PM
And sometimes ignorance escapes and makes a fool out of you, and all the kings horses and all the kings men cant hide it under the covers again. Even you could appear to be wise, if you could remain silent, but having posted your opinions you have removed all doubt of your ignorance.
doriangrey on August 22, 2007 at 6:47 PM
I see zane is a drive-by poster. Probably an 18 YO polysci major.
geekrunner on August 22, 2007 at 8:01 PM
So much useless babble over one joke. Two words: calm down.
Nonfactor on August 22, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Non and dorian, go back to the other thread. It’ll be more relevant there and keep the comment count climbing.
BadgerHawk on August 22, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Bryan is right on the mark on this one. Liberals can’t see the forest for the trees.
Tom N on August 23, 2007 at 12:50 AM
Unless it was Billy Zane, from Valley of the Wolves.
Nosferightu on August 23, 2007 at 12:55 AM
was gonna reply to this…
Then read this…
Combination reply;
Babs,
It took me forty five minutes to get through that article.
A few seconds to read each sentence
Then a few minutes between each sentence searching the page for the hidden Onion logo.
gekkobear
Your comments approximate, and,better elucidate, my opinion.
I’ll just add this regarding your last sentence.
If the readers are anything like the writers…
soundingboard on August 23, 2007 at 2:08 AM
You don’t need to know Arabic to understand and oppose beheadings.
Zane, any thoughts?
elpresidente on August 23, 2007 at 2:08 AM
You’re too kind. Not only can they not see the forest for the trees, they can’t even see the trees for the bark.
soundingboard on August 23, 2007 at 2:12 AM
Judging by this thread, Zane hasn’t had a thought since 9:15AM.
Pick the year.
soundingboard on August 23, 2007 at 2:29 AM
1972.
That’s the year most liberals live in and around.
BKennedy on August 23, 2007 at 4:03 AM
Thank you pedestrian. You commented as follows
Osama won the love of liberal hearts when he blamed 9/11 on the Crusades. Liberals are so consumed with rejecting Judeo-Christian traditions that they thought they found a fellow traveler they could work with. The maintain their cognitive disonence by simultaneously equating all forms of religions fundamentalism, ignoring the fact that Islamic fundamentalism and Christian fundamentalism are polar opposites in every way that matters.
From you statement we also find another leftist hypocrisy. If they believe in the Crusades they believe in Christianity and they must selectively fail to recognize that the Crusades were fought by a Christian-Judeo monarchy, oops violation of church and state if my facts are correct.
MSGTAS on August 23, 2007 at 9:19 AM
wow i really get under your guys skin huh?
dont you think someone who claims to be a world authority on jihad and islam should read arabic,yes most muslims dont speak arabic, hence they go to imams for guidence who do speak arabic. Robert spencer is a christian apologist, who by definition has an agenda. I dont trust him, nor do i agree, with him, and before you all start or i get banned,
NO I AM NOT A MUSLIM
NO I AM NOT A LIBERAL PINKO ISLAMO FASCIST
I AM AN AMERICAN
zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:12 PM
actaully i am not an american i am british, so to hear mr spencer bad mouth my country and my city makes me sick.
zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:13 PM
zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:12 PM
Maybe you didnt get that part about Robert being both Arab and fluent in Arabic?
zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:13 PM
So you’re what a liar? Or was that just some kind of British humor?
doriangrey on August 23, 2007 at 12:17 PM
this is simply not true, he is not an arab, even though his church uses the arab liturgy. It is my contention he doesnt speak or read arabic. it is also my contention that he has no formal training in islamic theology, except for teaching himself and never challenging his own prejudices while educating himself on islam. a christian apologist is not the best source of information on non christian religions. would you accept so member of care who had studied christianity hislef, had published books on the subject, as being an authority on christianity??
zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:20 PM
care - CAIR
zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:21 PM
i meant it in the sense that using the lense SPencer uses to look at the wrld, all of us who arent muslim, are part of the grand coalition who will defeat the muslims
zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:23 PM
Typical Nonfactor crap…considering how Christianity has been thoroughly examined, scrutinized, and denigrated by Christians and non-Christians alike, yet Islam issues fatwas to kill authors critical of Islam and cartoonists despite Middle Age drawings of Mo.
To quote Ayaan Hirsi Ali: When are Muslims to have their Enlightenment?
Or Nonfactor, for that matter?
Miss_Anthrope on August 23, 2007 at 12:25 PM
zane, you haven’t even read his bio, let alone dealt with him…I’m going to enlighten you:
His family is from the MIDDLE EAST (that makes him Arab), and I’ve seen a number of times where he’s utilized Arabic and translated it on the spot.
As for that LENS, we don’t look at it as American but Civilized or Western.
And I’ll trust his opinion as I trust a fellow JW Board member, Ibn Warraq, a Muslim apostate, as their view is virtually identical.
Read his and apostates’ works before you jump to conclusions…I came to this perspective before I found JW, just in case you accuse me of ‘blindly’ following.
Miss_Anthrope on August 23, 2007 at 12:33 PM
zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:20 PM
http://jihadwatch.org/spencer/
Wrong on both counts…sucks to be you.
doriangrey on August 23, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Zane
Most Muslims - including Imams - don’t know Arabic: they just regurgitate the Quran, and then use the tafseer and hadith for their guides. 50% of the world’s Mohammedan population is contained between the South Asiatic subcontinent and the East Indies, but their lack of Arabic hasn’t stopped them from commiting Jihad violence against Christians in Pakistan and Indonesia, Hindus in Bangladesh and Malaysia (and India!), Chinese Buddhists, Christians and Confucians in Malaysia and so on. Incidentally, going by your arguments, nobody who’s ignorant of Hebrew, Latin and Aramhaic can critique the Bible, nobody ignorant of Sanskit can critique Manu’s Smritis and so on. Yet the Quran itself claims that the Bible has been distorted, despite Allah being literate only in Arabic, but not knowing a word of Hebrew, Latin and Aramhaic.
infidelpride on August 23, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Dorian
Robert isn’t an Arab - his ancestrial home was in Turkey, in what was part of the Ottoman empire (something he’s stated in interviews). You are correct on the second part, however.
infidelpride on August 23, 2007 at 12:38 PM
IP -
I just remembered Middle East, I never knew it was Turkey.
He’s not Arab.
I stand corrected on that part of my post.
Thanks, IP.
Miss_Anthrope on August 23, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Does where anyone’s ancestors came from really have a bearing on today? So Spencer’s grand grands were from Turkey. I didn’t know or care whether Spencer was of Turkish, Arabic or Norwegian ancestry. He’s quite knowledgeable, and, as stated above, attacks on him happen because jihadists and their apologists can’t attack his research, which comes from the very Islamic texts that they, the jihadists preach from.
Doug on August 23, 2007 at 2:10 PM
infidelpride on August 23, 2007 at 12:38 PM
My bad then but it doesnt make zane any less of a tard for attempting to besmirch Robert’s work by attacking him personally.
doriangrey on August 23, 2007 at 2:36 PM
The one piece of paper was an Al-Queda ‘application’??
What, you need to fill out an application to join a terrorist organization?? Too much government control, if you ask me. It’s not like the good old days when an Iranian student could recruit you off the street to lay seige to an American embassy. What is this world coming to?
By the way, how many of you Christians speak Greek? ;-)
HeIsSailing on August 23, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Yes I would, provided I could read his work and make a comparison with the source data, and it was accurate, like I see can with Robert Spencer’s work. Mr. Spencer goes out of his way to show us the material from which he draws his conclutions. But I don’t see that kind of openess from CAIR, all I ever see from CAIR is unending attempts to intimidate and mislead.
Maxx on August 23, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Hey zane, you know, I doubt many of the people in the Twin Towers were arabic, but I’m pretty sure the survivors and their families can interpret Islamic theology, at least that of CAIR types and other terrorist front groups as a blight on humanity.
And don’t you be talking about crime if you aren’t a criminal.
BKennedy on August 24, 2007 at 6:59 AM
I think the scariest aspect to any of Robert Spencer’s reports on Islam, is that he is portraying ANY religion as being better than another. Ummm…. Does ANYONE on this site read ANY History at all??? I mean seriously, it’s the year 2007 and we’re heading toward yet ANOTHER religious war????? What is wrong with people?????
It would be much more beneficial in my opinion to just openly report on the dehumanizing aspects to Islam, and leave the pro-Christianity propaganda out of it.
KMC1 on August 24, 2007 at 10:58 AM
Uh, no. All religions are not made equal. What do you mean by Pro-Christianity propaganda? Robert Spencer isn’t ending anything with: “In conclusion, Jesus Saves. Convert or die, infidel!”
Fact is, Christianity based on its fruits is better than Islam based on its fruits, respectively.
In nations where Christianity is predominant, KMC1 can post about how we should not be elevating one religion over another. In nations where Islam is predominant, KMC1 can post about how we should not be elevating one religion over another, unless the religion we are elevating is Islam, or else he’s an apostate up on the chopping block.
BKennedy on August 24, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Thanks D.
Zane is probably not American nor British. He can’t write either the Kings English nor understand our Americanisms but he does always spout muslim apologies from blog to blog (those he hasn’t been banned from) incessantly.
So what is driving a Zane? and his Ad Hominem attacks?
He acts exactly like CAIR (care?) and chaos(kos) , yet what or who is zane? Speak up with something concrete, or go away.
shooter on August 24, 2007 at 12:23 PM
As an Atheist who’s a Constitutionalist and Conservative, I second BKennedy’s response.
Miss_Anthrope on August 24, 2007 at 12:34 PM
As an apostate Christian, I third BKennedy’s response with the following caveat: Cristianity, despite it’s strengths, its strong moral stance and its virtues is not the ‘religion of peace’ either.
HeIsSailing on August 25, 2007 at 9:44 AM
An absolutely brilliant discourse by Mr Spencer. Thanks for this post.
lookhearsee on August 25, 2007 at 7:41 PM