Robert Spencer on the left’s strange love affair with Jihad.
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I think the scariest aspect to any of Robert Spencer’s reports on Islam, is that he is portraying ANY religion as being better than another. Ummm…. Does ANYONE on this site read ANY History at all??? I mean seriously, it’s the year 2007 and we’re heading toward yet ANOTHER religious war????? What is wrong with people?????
It would be much more beneficial in my opinion to just openly report on the dehumanizing aspects to Islam, and leave the pro-Christianity propaganda out of it.

KMC1 on August 24, 2007 at 10:58 AM

Uh, no. All religions are not made equal. What do you mean by Pro-Christianity propaganda? Robert Spencer isn’t ending anything with: “In conclusion, Jesus Saves. Convert or die, infidel!”

Fact is, Christianity based on its fruits is better than Islam based on its fruits, respectively.

In nations where Christianity is predominant, KMC1 can post about how we should not be elevating one religion over another. In nations where Islam is predominant, KMC1 can post about how we should not be elevating one religion over another, unless the religion we are elevating is Islam, or else he’s an apostate up on the chopping block.

BKennedy on August 24, 2007 at 11:32 AM

As an Atheist who’s a Constitutionalist and Conservative, I second BKennedy’s response.

I would at this point say shame on you zane, but it’s pretty obvious that like most Muslims you have no sense of shame only a commitment to enslave the rest of the world to your pedophile murder liar and thief prophet (Pig Urine Be Upon Him).
doriangrey on August 22, 2007 at 12:40 PM

Thanks D.
Zane is probably not American nor British. He can’t write either the Kings English nor understand our Americanisms but he does always spout muslim apologies from blog to blog (those he hasn’t been banned from) incessantly.
So what is driving a Zane? and his Ad Hominem attacks?
He acts exactly like CAIR (care?) and chaos(kos) , yet what or who is zane? Speak up with something concrete, or go away.

I think the scariest aspect to any of Robert Spencer’s reports on Islam, is that he is portraying ANY religion as being better than another. Ummm…. Does ANYONE on this site read ANY History at all??? I mean seriously, it’s the year 2007 and we’re heading toward yet ANOTHER religious war????? What is wrong with people?????
It would be much more beneficial in my opinion to just openly report on the dehumanizing aspects to Islam, and leave the pro-Christianity propaganda out of it.

KMC1 on August 24, 2007 at 10:58 AM

Uh, no. All religions are not made equal. What do you mean by Pro-Christianity propaganda? Robert Spencer isn’t ending anything with: “In conclusion, Jesus Saves. Convert or die, infidel!”

Fact is, Christianity based on its fruits is better than Islam based on its fruits, respectively.

In nations where Christianity is predominant, KMC1 can post about how we should not be elevating one religion over another. In nations where Islam is predominant, KMC1 can post about how we should not be elevating one religion over another, unless the religion we are elevating is Islam, or else he’s an apostate up on the chopping block.

And don’t you be talking about crime if you aren’t a criminal.

would you accept so member of c[air] who had studied christianity hislef, had published books on the subject, as being an authority on christianity??

zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:20 PM

Yes I would, provided I could read his work and make a comparison with the source data, and it was accurate, like I see can with Robert Spencer’s work. Mr. Spencer goes out of his way to show us the material from which he draws his conclutions. But I don’t see that kind of openess from CAIR, all I ever see from CAIR is unending attempts to intimidate and mislead.

What, you need to fill out an application to join a terrorist organization?? Too much government control, if you ask me. It’s not like the good old days when an Iranian student could recruit you off the street to lay seige to an American embassy. What is this world coming to?

By the way, how many of you Christians speak Greek? ;-)

Robert isn’t an Arab

My bad then but it doesnt make zane any less of a tard for attempting to besmirch Robert’s work by attacking him personally.

I just remembered Middle East, I never knew it was Turkey.

He’s not Arab.

I stand corrected on that part of my post.

Thanks, IP.

Robert isn’t an Arab – his ancestrial home was in Turkey, in what was part of the Ottoman empire (something he’s stated in interviews). You are correct on the second part, however.

dont you think someone who claims to be a world authority on jihad and islam should read arabic,yes most muslims dont speak arabic, hence they go to imams for guidence who do speak arabic

Zane

Most Muslims – including Imams – don’t know Arabic: they just regurgitate the Quran, and then use the tafseer and hadith for their guides. 50% of the world’s Mohammedan population is contained between the South Asiatic subcontinent and the East Indies, but their lack of Arabic hasn’t stopped them from commiting Jihad violence against Christians in Pakistan and Indonesia, Hindus in Bangladesh and Malaysia (and India!), Chinese Buddhists, Christians and Confucians in Malaysia and so on. Incidentally, going by your arguments, nobody who’s ignorant of Hebrew, Latin and Aramhaic can critique the Bible, nobody ignorant of Sanskit can critique Manu’s Smritis and so on. Yet the Quran itself claims that the Bible has been distorted, despite Allah being literate only in Arabic, but not knowing a word of Hebrew, Latin and Aramhaic.

this is simply not true, he is not an arab,

http://jihadwatch.org/spencer/

Since childhood I have had an interest in the Muslim world, from which my family comes.

it is also my contention that he has no formal training in islamic theology,

That led to in-depth forays into tafsir (interpretations of the Qur’an), hadith (traditions of the Prophet Muhammad), and much more about Islamic theology and law.

Wrong on both counts…sucks to be you.

this is simply not true, he is not an arab, even though his church uses the arab liturgy.

zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:20 PM

zane, you haven’t even read his bio, let alone dealt with him…I’m going to enlighten you:

His family is from the MIDDLE EAST (that makes him Arab), and I’ve seen a number of times where he’s utilized Arabic and translated it on the spot.

As for that LENS, we don’t look at it as American but Civilized or Western.

And I’ll trust his opinion as I trust a fellow JW Board member, Ibn Warraq, a Muslim apostate, as their view is virtually identical.

Read his and apostates’ works before you jump to conclusions…I came to this perspective before I found JW, just in case you accuse me of ‘blindly’ following.

You can’t understand Christianity Islam unless you’re a Christian Muslim.

Nonfactor on August 22, 2007 at 5:21 PM

Typical Nonfactor crap…considering how Christianity has been thoroughly examined, scrutinized, and denigrated by Christians and non-Christians alike, yet Islam issues fatwas to kill authors critical of Islam and cartoonists despite Middle Age drawings of Mo.

To quote Ayaan Hirsi Ali: When are Muslims to have their Enlightenment?

Or Nonfactor, for that matter?

So you’re what a liar? Or was that just some kind of British humor?

doriangrey on August 23, 2007 at 12:17 PM

i meant it in the sense that using the lense SPencer uses to look at the wrld, all of us who arent muslim, are part of the grand coalition who will defeat the muslims

Maybe you didnt get that part about Robert being both Arab and fluent in Arabic?

this is simply not true, he is not an arab, even though his church uses the arab liturgy. It is my contention he doesnt speak or read arabic. it is also my contention that he has no formal training in islamic theology, except for teaching himself and never challenging his own prejudices while educating himself on islam. a christian apologist is not the best source of information on non christian religions. would you accept so member of care who had studied christianity hislef, had published books on the subject, as being an authority on christianity??

dont you think someone who claims to be a world authority on jihad and islam should read arabic,

Maybe you didnt get that part about Robert being both Arab and fluent in Arabic?

I AM AN AMERICAN

zane on August 23, 2007 at 12:13 PM

actaully i am not an american

So you’re what a liar? Or was that just some kind of British humor?

dont you think someone who claims to be a world authority on jihad and islam should read arabic,yes most muslims dont speak arabic, hence they go to imams for guidence who do speak arabic. Robert spencer is a christian apologist, who by definition has an agenda. I dont trust him, nor do i agree, with him, and before you all start or i get banned,

NO I AM NOT A MUSLIM

NO I AM NOT A LIBERAL PINKO ISLAMO FASCIST

I AM AN AMERICAN