Video: On health care, Silky’s a cynical divider, not a uniter
posted at 11:44 am on August 20, 2007 by Bryan
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This clip is from Sunday’s Democrat debate on ABC. It’s more evidence that John Edwards is a paranoid demagogue, when he’s not a nothingburger who lets his wife fight his toughest battle, the one with Ann Coulter.
In the debate, Edwards et al are discussing universal health care, and they all agree to one extent or another that a Democrat president will make it happen. Nothing new there. They spend far more time talking about health care than the war, not just in this debate but in their stump speeches and on their web sites.
Keep in mind that the health care industry is roughly one-seventh of the entire US economy. Keep also in mind that not all Americans see government-run anything as the answer to all problems, and that what the press describes as broad support for universal care is quite nuanced, with most Americans actually satisfied with their own health care as is, right now, though most also would like to pay less for what they’re getting (duh — what kind of person wants to pay more for anything?). Keep in mind that among the uninsured in the US, there are millions who can afford coverage but opt not to buy it. That’s their choice, a choice that Edwards and others would take away from them (see California’s proposed universal health care system, for example, which would require that everyone in the state purchase coverage. That’s not so much as solution as a command.). And keep in mind that in spite of how often Democrats extol the Canadian and European universal health care systems, there’s ample evidence that centralized health care systems just aren’t efficient and don’t work as well as the open market. Keep all of that in mind, and then listen to what John Edwards thinks is in the way of universal health care.
Link: sevenload.com
“Here’s what I believe. The reason we don’t have universal health care in America today is because of the insurance industry, and the drug companies, and their lobbyists. It’s that simple.”
I won’t pretend to be a health policy wonk, national security being more in my interest, but it seems to me that the insurance and pharma companies are major components of the health care industry. Demonize them all you want, but they’re part of the industry that Edwards wants the government to take over or to mandate sweeping changes in. Any solution to the problem of health care access and affordability is going to require input from them. Edwards’ own plan calls for solutions like regional “Health Care Markets” that would seem to require some input from actual health care industry insiders to put together. Unless he just plans to force ideas on the industry from his Beltway redoubt. But Edwards thinks insurance providers and pharmas are the “only reason” that we don’t already have universal health care and that rather than talk with them or work with them, he would fight them and “defeat” them. Which means….? That as the victor, he would dictate terms to the vanquished? Too bad he doesn’t talk as tough about America’s actual external enemies.
He’s cynically using the symbolism of not accepting any health care lobbyist money to shame and browbeat his opponents, but the fact is that his campaign is fueled mostly by money from trial lawyers. Trial lawyers also have a major influence on health care costs. They may be just as influential on health care costs as the doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and drug companies that they make their living suing. Why doesn’t Edwards want to fight and defeat them? Because they own him: More than half of his donors are trial lawyers, and they have donated seven times the amount that he has raised from any other single profession. Edwards is among the foxes who routinely raid the health care hen house. It takes gall to bash his opponents for accepting donations from insurance and pharma lobbies, when Edwards is so dependent on the lawyers who sue them.
Edwards’ statement on health care strikes me as both cynical (given his connection to trial lawyers as well his having made millions as one) and paranoid, and at the same time dismissive of real and reasonable objections to universalizing a system that millions of Americans simply choose not to participate in. If you’re skeptical that Washington can come up with a universal health care system that will actually cost less, continue to attract quality professionals and function better than the current system, your opinion doesn’t count with John Edwards.
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Ask the women in North Carolina what they think of silky’s influence of the OBGYN’s in that state. Judge calls it junk science.
Wade on August 20, 2007 at 11:53 AM
“Big Oil” wasn’t enough for these loons???? Now it has to be “Big Medicine” too??? Give me a break!
ericire12 on August 20, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Meh…he hasn’t a snowball’s chance in Hell of winning, so why do we even bother with him?
tickleddragon on August 20, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Well, for one thing there’s the cabinet to consider.
Bryan on August 20, 2007 at 12:05 PM
It’s a good point, Bryan…and I wasn’t meaning to argue with you, but do you think they’d ACTUALLY put him in it?
(Well, come to think of it, I’d like to put him in the cabinet – and lock the doors. I hate…yeah, hate…this ambulance chasing monster. Being from NC, I’ve had about as much of him as I can stand.)
tickleddragon on August 20, 2007 at 12:15 PM
Sure. Why wouldn’t they put Edwards somewhere in a Democrat administration? Kerry made him his VP running mate last time around.
Bryan on August 20, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Surgeon General John Edwards
-urp- I just threw up a little in my mouth.
common sensineer on August 20, 2007 at 12:20 PM
I like it better when we consider him a joke…can’t take this reality stuff.
Now make his wife a part of the cabinet, at least she can fight and hold her own. He can be her “trophy husband”.
right2bright on August 20, 2007 at 12:29 PM
It’s funny how he didn’t mention the trial lawyers and ambulance chasers as part of the problem with the health care system. They don’t need lobyists because all of the congressmen ARE LAWYERS.
Yes, insurance companies are a problem – but they play an important role in keeping the costs to the providers in check. Yes, drug companies are a problem – but they have developed drugs that have helped HIS WIFE for one.
He doesn’t want to deal with them, he wants to tax America and take it over. I wonder in a Universal Health Care system with no TORT reform, are the lawyers going to be able to sue the government for malpractice? What a great boon for Edwards’ trial lawyer buddies.
ThackerAgency on August 20, 2007 at 12:36 PM
And here I was, thinking he was hoping for Clintonbama thermonuclear meltdown, or an It’ll-Never-Happen Veep call.
But you’re right, Bryan, he could do terrible damage at HHS. And I get really anxious when I think of the court cases that Attorney General Edwards would choose to bring at Justice.
eeyore on August 20, 2007 at 12:39 PM
I love how Edwards doesn’t think you can negotiate with American health insurance and pharmaceutical companies but when it comes to terrorist groups and rogue states such as Iran then employing negotiation tactics is the only logical solution.
Just goes to show how truly messed up the ‘logic’ on the left really is.
2Brave2Bscared on August 20, 2007 at 1:56 PM
This man is phoney toast. He says what tickles the ear of those looking for a government handout.Tickled Dragon is right.
apostle53 on August 20, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Edwards sounds like a man who doesn’t understand what America is about. Can’t make a deal with leading American health companies? What happened to private enterprise?
It’s scary to think that young people are watching these debates and getting their ideas about what America is from these communists.
pedestrian on August 20, 2007 at 2:26 PM
“You have to take these people on and beat them. You can’t sit at a table and negotiate with them.”
If only he were talking about the Jihadists and Ahmadinejad–we’d have ourselves a serious presedential candidate.
drewas on August 20, 2007 at 3:07 PM
Universal health care, i.e., socialized medicine, is what you get when you have lawyers trying to fix an industry they know nothing about, the medical field. Sure, they can quote statistics, but in reality, they have never set foot in a hospital, unless it was to get clients for which to sue the “evil” medical doctors, or perhaps to visit a sick relative/friend. The fact is, they have never worked in this industry, and it is ludicrous to think they can fix it. I have an idea just about as brilliant, I personally don’t think lawyers always act in an ethical, so why don’t we let doctors, or pharm companies make up policies to fix that problem? Yeah, it doesn’t make sense, does it?
Trtle2001 on August 20, 2007 at 3:28 PM
My recommendation to fix the health care problem is to prevent frivolous lawsuits.
How does that strike you, John-o?
BKennedy on August 20, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Textbook definition of fascism and nearly half the voters will vote for a democrat in the presidential election.
If they get the White House and congress they’ll fix it so they will never give it up.
peacenprosperity on August 20, 2007 at 5:36 PM
This guy is just so arrogant. When he was trying to stress his point, a grin came across his face. Wow, greasy…According to Bob Shrum, he even freaked Waffles out a little. That’s saying something.
PowWow on August 20, 2007 at 11:46 PM
I’ve seen estimates of around 16 million Americans uninsured, by their own choice.
Edwards will not be anything, but pretty. No one likes him. The other candidates find him just as snooty as we do, and as he is. Prima donna, with a distorted sense of priorities.
Entelechy on August 21, 2007 at 12:35 AM
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