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Breaking: Vick pleads guilty

posted at 2:42 pm on August 20, 2007 by Allahpundit
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No surprise.

“After consulting with his family over the weekend. Michael Vick ask that I announce today that he has reached an agreement with Federal prosecutors regarding the charges pending against him. Mr. Vick has agreed to enter a plea of Guilty to those charges and to accept full responsibility for his actions and the mistakes he has made. Michael wishes to apologizes again to everyone who has been hurt by this matter. The legal team and Mr. Vick will appear in court in Richmond on August 27th.”

Vick’s attorneys hope to hear back from National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell’s office sometime Monday about Vick’s career options, sources said.

That last part’s the real news. According to the Virginian-Pilot, prosecutors are expected to ask for at least a year in prison so a season-long suspension isn’t really going to cut it here. Vick allegedly told Goodell in July that he was innocent, too:

“His comments to me were very consistent with what he has said publicly: That he does not have any interest in that, that it wasn’t happening at his property, and that was his discussion,” Goodell said. “And I was very clear with him that if it’s happening on your property, it’s your responsibility.”

Exit question: Lifetime suspension? I can’t believe they’d torpedo one of the top two or three talents in the league. Then again, if the fallout’s already this bad…

Update: The prosecutors reportedly want 18 to 36 months; Vick’s lawyers are trying to get them down under a year. The maximum is five years.


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Update: The prosecutors reportedly want 18 to 36 months; Vick’s lawyers were trying to get them down under a year.

Give him 24 months and call it even.

PRCalDude on August 20, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Well, the long experiment with a running back at the QB position has come to a swift, terrible end.

faraway on August 20, 2007 at 2:46 PM

His friends will get life in prison.

tomas on August 20, 2007 at 2:49 PM

I will be thoroughly disgusted if he has a career at all after this.

bj1126 on August 20, 2007 at 2:49 PM

Now, the next thread should be: What career will Vick have after Sing Sing? Rapper? Sidekick for Imus? Co-host for The View? Maybe a TNR journalist?

faraway on August 20, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Bow wow wow wow.

Blake on August 20, 2007 at 2:51 PM

I think his NFL career is over

Is other football leagues out there however

Maybe he can play on OJ’s Assassin team ?

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Maybe a new show called the Bunk Whisperer?

faraway on August 20, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Give him 24 months and call it even.

PRCalDude on August 20, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Give him 24 minutes doing lunch with the Lions at the zoo and call it even.

MB4 on August 20, 2007 at 2:52 PM

Dog pound is a place, not a sport.
As part of his plea bargain, Vick has promised to apologize to Peta, the entire Rottweiler family, and to undergo canine sensitivity training.

Doug on August 20, 2007 at 2:54 PM

Iremember seeing just yesterday a news article saying that both Hillary and Obama say that withdrawl wont come very soon even if they are president

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 2:55 PM

He’s black. He’s a black quarterback. He may sit this season, but he’ll be back because this is not his fault, Whitey made him do it. Watch what comes out of his mouth when he’s off. Jesse, Al, Geraldo and St Cindy haven’t chimed in yet.

LtE126 on August 20, 2007 at 2:55 PM

He is probably done – unless the advertisers are willing to keep pumping money into the NFL with Vick in the league.

Rick on August 20, 2007 at 2:57 PM

I think his NFL career is over

Is other football leagues out there however

Maybe he can play on OJ’s Assassin team ?

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 2:51 PM

There are various indoor football leagues.

steveegg on August 20, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Iremember seeing just yesterday a news article saying that both Hillary and Obama say that withdrawl wont come very soon even if they are president

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 2:55 PM

Withdrawing from Vick?

Rick on August 20, 2007 at 2:58 PM

Give him 24 minutes doing lunch with the Lions at the zoo and call it even.

MB4 on August 20, 2007 at 2:52 PM

As long as they’re not run by Matt Millen,….

steveegg on August 20, 2007 at 2:58 PM

Iremember seeing just yesterday a news article saying that both Hillary and Obama say that withdrawl wont come very soon even if they are president

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Withdrawing from Vick?

Rick on August 20, 2007 at 2:58 PM

LOl Im guilty of posting a reply in the wrong thread. For some reason I thought this was the Hillary/iraq thread

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 2:59 PM

On Sunday Night Football last night Peter King reported that Vick’s legal team was calling the League asking “what if” questions. The League told them flat out, they’ll make their decisions after the legal process is concluded.

King said he thinks whatever suspension the League hands out won’t run concurrently with any prison term.

Tiki Barber said if Vick rolls on any other players he won’t be welcomed back in any NFL Locker Room ever. Rumor has it, he won’t be throwing any active players under the bus.

TheBigOldDog on August 20, 2007 at 2:59 PM

You know, I just have to weigh in here and say…we’re talking about dogs. Not human beings. Dogs. I realize the evidence suggests Vick was particularly cruel to the dogs — and I am a dog owner myself — but I have never seen the kind of hyperbole I’ve seen surrounding this case when it’s an NFL or NBA player accused of rape or murder. Then it’s all nuance and people rushing out to say they shouldn’t have their careers ruined until “we know all the facts.” Rape someone? You’re still in the starting lineup, baby. But kill a dog? Oh, you’ve gotta go! Stab two people to death? We’ll plea bargain for lesser charges, you can pay off the family of one of the victims, and keep on playing football. But kill a dog? Oh, man, you’re scum. You gotta go. I just have to say, the priorities are a bit disturbing…

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM

LOl Im guilty of posting a reply in the wrong thread. For some reason I thought this was the Hillary/iraq thread

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 2:59 PM

I was just giving you a hard time – I’ve done that myself a few times.

Rick on August 20, 2007 at 3:05 PM

LtE126 on August 20, 2007 at 2:55 PM

He’s not so lucky.

On the heels of Nike suspending its release of Michael Vick’s new Air Zoom shoe, rap mogul Russell Simmons and Rev. Al Sharpton has teamed with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to complain to Vick’s sponsors.


Rev. Sharpton, Simmons and PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk wrote a letter to Vick’s sponsors condemning his alleged role in the practice.

amerpundit on August 20, 2007 at 3:05 PM

“Damn it feels good to be a gangster…”

ronsfi on August 20, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Neither is acceptable. This recent bout of celebrity justice hasn’t been limited to dog fighting. People are just getting tired of celebs getting away with everything.

amerpundit on August 20, 2007 at 3:07 PM

Exit question: Lifetime suspension? I can’t believe they’d torpedo one of the top two or three talents in the league.

That is a stretch. I can see a popularity arguement for top two or three before this incident, but there is no way he is or was a top 3 talent in the NFL. Unless we are talking about potential talent. The unproven kind.

I’d like to see the precedent set here, ban him for life.

sunny on August 20, 2007 at 3:08 PM

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Oh, and he wasn’t charged with dog fighting. He was charged with conspiracy, or something. He also faced racketeering charges. This was more significant than you imply.

amerpundit on August 20, 2007 at 3:08 PM

He faces the most severe punishment imaginable. Being forced to listen to an endless loop of Who Let the Dogs Out?.

JammieWearingFool on August 20, 2007 at 3:08 PM

Ooooohhh! That’s gonna sting worse than the time Vick lost his prescription for Valtrex.

BelchSpeak on August 20, 2007 at 3:08 PM

My guess is 15-18 months in prison and 2 year ban from the league.
I am also guessing there will be others in the NFL that will surface in the coming months loosely connected to this or other dogfighting rings. I don’t think he will be the only one in the league to fall. This is quite widespread in the US, alot more than most people think.

RobG on August 20, 2007 at 3:09 PM

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 2:59 PM
I was just giving you a hard time – I’ve done that myself a few times.

Rick on August 20, 2007 at 3:05 PM

The problem is that it almost made sense.

right2bright on August 20, 2007 at 3:09 PM

No!! Ron Mexico!!!

EnochCain on August 20, 2007 at 3:10 PM

I’m double-disgusted as a Virginia Tech grad and an Atlanta resident – I say good riddance.

Brat on August 20, 2007 at 3:10 PM

He can always get a job with ESPN.

EnochCain on August 20, 2007 at 3:12 PM

The problem is that it almost made sense.

right2bright on August 20, 2007 at 3:09 PM

I guess this all explains why the BBC is making animal rights activists = terrorists.

Its all a conspiracy to get Micheal Vick

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 3:12 PM

I love capitalism:

Get your Michael Vick items now before the NFL bans everything concerning Michael Vick. This will be a great investment for Vick, NFL and dog fighting fans alike

The only reason I’m selling this is because our dog “Scooter” now pees on the carpet in front of the photo that has been hanging in my sports / billiards room for the last year. “Scooter” has vowed to continue these actions in protest until it is gone from the home. Make my loss your gain!!

TheBigOldDog on August 20, 2007 at 3:12 PM

The state of quarterbacking in the NFL being what it is, someone will take a shot on him in a year or two, asusming he’s not banned for life. I still say Detroit or Baltimore could be his home in a couple years.

Steve McNair hasn’t got much left and Jon Kitna isn’t the longterm solution in Detroit. Actually, there is no longterm solution in Detroit, but play along.

JammieWearingFool on August 20, 2007 at 3:13 PM

Hey there’s always Motorsports. Nascar has a No tolerance rule as does the IRL, I for one will have to boycott NFL,it’s not about rape murder or otherwise it’s about Ethics,BTW I LOVE football so it will be hard for me,GO Packers!
Bob

Bobnormal on August 20, 2007 at 3:16 PM

I’m confused. As someone who believes in Federalism, where the hell does the Constitution give the Feds the power to regulate intrastate gambling or dog killing/torturing?

That said, I hope someone cuts his balls off for what he did to those dogs….

Tim Burton on August 20, 2007 at 3:18 PM

I’d like to give Vick some “sensitivity training” with my Airedale…

Jonas Parker on August 20, 2007 at 3:18 PM

I guess this all explains why the BBC is making animal rights activists = terrorists.

Its all a conspiracy to get Micheal Vick

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 3:12 PM

Have Obama and/or Hillary made any comments about the Vick matter – or just stayed away from it?

Rick on August 20, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Lifetime suspension. Vick is into gambling. If the NFL lets him back in, the Congress should investigate the NFL’s ties to gambling.

Also, let’s take a look at NFL and dog (gambling) fighting period.

saved on August 20, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Even if he was allowed to play in the NFL again after serving time, what owner would trust Vick enough to build a team around him? A position besides quarterback, maybe, as that would entail less risk for the team and management.

If Vick’s cellmate can teach him to be a pocket passer, then maybe interest will be higher when he gets out.

Graybark on August 20, 2007 at 3:21 PM

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 3:12 PM

It also shows you how little credibility I have for Hillary, et.al.
If it meant more votes they would withdrawl support from Vick or the AG…whichever gives them more votes.

right2bright on August 20, 2007 at 3:21 PM

The state of quarterbacking in the NFL being what it is, someone will take a shot on him in a year or two, asusming he’s not banned for life. I still say Detroit or Baltimore could be his home in a couple years.

Steve McNair hasn’t got much left and Jon Kitna isn’t the longterm solution in Detroit. Actually, there is no longterm solution in Detroit, but play along.

JammieWearingFool on August 20, 2007 at 3:13 PM

Being Vick is a minority I wouldnt be too surprized to see him turn up in say detriot. They will make the case that racism is what is driving the attacks on Vick and it will sell in some quarters

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 3:22 PM

He not only was inhuman to the dogs(ba$tard) but broke other laws as well…this not a case of whipping 1 dog…duh!!

oldernslower on August 20, 2007 at 3:23 PM

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 3:22 PM

If they find he ran the gambling ring, he’s out for life…stay tuned.

TheBigOldDog on August 20, 2007 at 3:23 PM

ODDLY the only dem to speak out against Vick ?

ROBERT BYRD !

ut oh

Dogfight: Michael Vick v. Robert Byrd

Share July 19, 2007 5:42 PM

ABC News’ Z. Byron Wolf reports: Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd is old and shaky, but he’s still got the fire in his belly when he wants to call it up. That was on full display Thursday afternoon when this business of dog fighting drove the longest serving Senator to the Senate floor for a speech the likes of which other, younger senators might have liked to summon during the Iraq War debate this week.

He declared that he has seen one execution in his life — a man put to death in the electric chair. “Its not a beautiful thing,” he said. “I could say I could witness another one if it involves (long pause) this cruel, sadistic, cannibalistic, business of training these vulnerable creatures to kill.”

Byrd outlines what happens in a dog fight, punctuating his speech with shouts of “SHAME! SHAME!” How inhuman! How dastardly!”

“God created the dog to be man’s companion,” Byrd cried.

“Two dogs are placed in a pit. placed in a pit. get that. and turned loose against each other. The fight can go on for hours,” he declared. The fight can go on for hours. hear me? (whole body shaking). The fight can go on for hours!”

“Who are the real animals? Who are the real animals? The creatures inside the ring? Or the creatures outside the ring?”

“Barbaric. Barbaric! May god help those poor souls. Hear me.”

Talking about why he loves dogs, Byrd said, “The mere petting of these social creatures can lower the blood pressure of humans.”

Byrd said he is proud that people perpetrating dogfights “will have to answer to our judicial system. And may god help their souls.”

Byrd has given impassioned homily’s on Man’s Best Friend before. In April of this year, he spent his time during a Senate hearing on the dog food recall talking about his Shih Tzu, Trouble, named by his late beloved wife Erma, who Byrd says said “here comes trouble” the first time she saw the dog coming.

Byrd calls the dog, which sleeps on his bed, Baby.

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 3:25 PM

Tim Burton on August 20, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Activities crossed state lines, apparently.

amerpundit on August 20, 2007 at 3:26 PM

Byrd video

here

BARBARIC BARBARIC !

William Amos on August 20, 2007 at 3:28 PM

The plea deal might have saved him a longer prison sentence, but it’s going to absolutely cook his goose when it comes to Goodell and the league. Mister no-nonsense, badass commissioner Goodell isn’t going to take kindly to being lied to and played for a fool despite offering Vick numerous chances to come clean about the allegations back around the time of the NFL draft.

That said, he’ll do his prison time and his league suspension and then be playing football again in the NFL after that. If history has taught us anything, it’s that professional sports teams are almost always willing to overlook off-the-field transgressions if you can hit a baseball, catch a football, etc. This will be no different. But if he comes back and proceeds to stink it up on the field, then the PR backlash will be too much for even an NFL team to bear.

Remember when we thought Marcus Vick was the black sheep of that family?

World B. Free on August 20, 2007 at 3:28 PM

“On the heels of Nike suspending its release of Michael Vick’s new Air Zoom shoe, rap mogul Russell Simmons and Rev. Al Sharpton has teamed with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to complain to Vick’s sponsors.


Rev. Sharpton, Simmons and PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk wrote a letter to Vick’s sponsors condemning his alleged role in the practice. ”

Great. Times like these I like being wrong.

LtE126 on August 20, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Agreed. Dog-owner dittos.

He’ll be back in the league eventually, too. I am disgusted by this crap, but they’re dogs. Rape a woman, beat up your girlfriend, spit on an umpire, gamble on sports, drunk driving, all manner of steroid use, illegal drugs — all are excusable.

But not raising dogs to fight and killing dogs you don’t want.

And who knew that Sharpton and Simmons were dog lovers? OK for OJ to cut off his wife’s head, but they rolled over on Vick. I guess dogs are higher on their list than white people…

Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 3:30 PM

Vick was killing animals, transporting dogs across state lines for gambling, generally scoffing Virginia’s laws. Now there is yet one more law Mike Vick spits at:

http://tinyurl.com/2xgfsp

BelchSpeak on August 20, 2007 at 3:31 PM

The Oakland Raiders already put a *dibs* on him when he gets out of prison.

redrock on August 20, 2007 at 3:31 PM

The sentence should be without parole – otherwise, he only has to serve 1/3rd of the sentence (18 months = 6 months). As far as the gambling, I don’t have proof – however, I’ve never heard of any one participating in dog fights, cock fights, etc., without gambling on the outcome.

msflea on August 20, 2007 at 3:32 PM

I just have to say, the priorities are a bit disturbing…

People are funny, aren’t they? They’ve got a million excuses when it’s a human being, but hurt a dog? You’re human slime mold if you do that.

I agree with you, but I think that he needs to get the book thrown at him for this offense not only because he deserves it for what he did (which was vile), but also to get people looking more critically at professional athletes in general. I’d like us as a society to stop looking at these guys like some sort of heroes. Let’s face it: they play a game for a living. They ain’t necessarily heros just because they “transcended the hood” and make loads o’ cash playing that game. I’d suspect that many of us here work harder at jobs that are way more important and get paid way less than Michael Vick. But if that dog fighting operation was on my property, I can guarantee that I, a humble public school teacher, would go to jail.

And I’d deserve it.

I think I’ll go hug my daugter’s dog again…

Bob's Kid on August 20, 2007 at 3:33 PM

For those of you who didn’t see it yesterday, Vick’s videotaped confession is now online.

wordwarp on August 20, 2007 at 3:34 PM

Somewhere, Leonard Little is laughing about this whole thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Little

World B. Free on August 20, 2007 at 3:34 PM

I’d like to give Vick some “sensitivity training” with my Airedale…

Jonas Parker on August 20, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Airedales would be fine
But Lions would be divine

MB4 on August 20, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Perhaps if Byrd would make the same speech against abortion, I would give it some credence.

It is sad, when people show outrage at dogfighting, yet turn their eyes askance when an innocent child is murdered.

MarkB on August 20, 2007 at 3:38 PM

ESPN Roger Cosak (sp): State Prosecutor (Poindexter) making noises that he will investigate possible State charges…State penalties much more severe, up to 40 years.

TheBigOldDog on August 20, 2007 at 3:40 PM

I have it…

Vick will star in the 2011 remake of The Longest Yard.

faraway on August 20, 2007 at 3:44 PM

Every night when they close Vick’s cell door they should shove a pitbull in there with him and announce, “This could be one you trained, but we’re not sure …. happy dreams”.

fogw on August 20, 2007 at 3:48 PM

OMG! ESPN just showed a 2002 interview where he was asked to tell people 3 things about himself. Guess what the 1st thing was. You got it, “I love animals.”

TheBigOldDog on August 20, 2007 at 3:48 PM

People are funny, aren’t they? They’ve got a million excuses when it’s a human being, but hurt a dog? You’re human slime mold if you do that.

That’s because we can hear both sides of the same story from humans (unless, of course, the human is also electricuted and drowned). Humans are also willing to not press charges if they are presented with the proper incentives (or maybe the case is just bogus — e.g. Duke Lacrosse case).

Rick on August 20, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Dems are now asking “Are We Safer?” now that Vick is off the streets. They are also discussing rumors that Vick was a Rebublican working secretly for Karl Rove.

faraway on August 20, 2007 at 3:51 PM

I can’t believe they’d torpedo one of the top two or three talents in the league.

Top two or three? Hardly. He was too enamored with his own mobility to be a real championship QB. What’s his lifetime passer rating? 50-something?

Like faraway said, he’s a running back playing QB. Same goes for Vince Young.

crazy_legs on August 20, 2007 at 3:53 PM

Done?

Stick a fork in him.

Literally.

James on August 20, 2007 at 3:53 PM

You know, I just have to weigh in here and say…we’re talking about dogs. Not human beings. Dogs. I realize the evidence suggests Vick was particularly cruel to the dogs — and I am a dog owner myself — but I have never seen the kind of hyperbole I’ve seen surrounding this case when it’s an NFL or NBA player accused of rape or murder. Then it’s all nuance and people rushing out to say they shouldn’t have their careers ruined until “we know all the facts.” Rape someone? You’re still in the starting lineup, baby. But kill a dog? Oh, you’ve gotta go! Stab two people to death? We’ll plea bargain for lesser charges, you can pay off the family of one of the victims, and keep on playing football. But kill a dog? Oh, man, you’re scum. You gotta go. I just have to say, the priorities are a bit disturbing…

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM

The reason for this is that when rape is alleged we have to contend with the fact that human beings can and sometimes do lie about being victims of rape.

The response to Vick is as incensed as it because a) people like dogs, and b) people realize that dogs are entirely beholden to the whims of their owners. This isn’t true of human adults, even those who are legitimately victimized (and it’s certainly not true of, say, strippers or night club girls drawn to the allure of NFL money).

Dogs are held to be both powerless and innocent. As such, the accurate human equivalent to an abused dog would be an abused child. And I think that if an NFL player were ever accused of raping, killing, or otherwise harming a child, you’d see much worse “hyperbole,” from many more directions.

Blacklake on August 20, 2007 at 3:54 PM

I think he’s going to the Federal Dog Pen.

He and Imus are going to start a radio show called “B*tches and Hos”.

faraway on August 20, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Blacklake on August 20, 2007 at 3:54 PM

Don;t forget the simple fact that there is video of the barbarity of it all. Watching that video makes people angry.

TheBigOldDog on August 20, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Thank God. Vick is done.

congsan on August 20, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Because he pleaded guilty, he won’t be “found guilty” by trial. Therefore he will be innocent to his peers (read fellow hoodlums). Pleading guilty does not always
He pleaded guilty so he could get on with his life, the trial would have been a “travesty” or a “rush” to judgement. He was already “found guilty” so no way could he have received a fair trial. Pleading guilty will put it behind him and he can continue his brilliant football career.
Saying your guilty, does not alway mean you are guilty of the crimes being charged.

He is most guilty of being a successful black man.

The men copped a plea to save their own skins, Vick is innocent before a jury. He feels used, that his cohorts could have done such things on his property, and killing the dogs was the only humane solution. He is sorry to have killed the dogs, even if it was to relieve pain and suffering…blah blah black blah blah white man blah blah successful black man blah blah blah racist blah blah blah.

Parts of that or all of that will be written and re-written.

right2bright on August 20, 2007 at 3:58 PM

The Oakland Raiders already put a *dibs* on him when he gets out of prison.

redrock on August 20, 2007 at 3:31 PM

Do you realize that the post you linked to was written in January of this year???

congsan on August 20, 2007 at 3:59 PM

OMG! ESPN just showed a 2002 interview where he was asked to tell people 3 things about himself. Guess what the 1st thing was. You got it, “I love animals.”

TheBigOldDog on August 20, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Ha! I need to see that video

Zetterson on August 20, 2007 at 4:02 PM

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM

People,time and time again, show more remorse and pity for an animal suffering than human beings.
Thousands of people killed each year in the U.S., and I have never seen an organization like PETA protest a human killing. Film a cop roughing one up, and you have a riot that destroys cities, kill a few hundred…big deal.
We show pictures of dogs being killed or dead, but we don’t show pictures of the kids on the streets gunned down nightly.

right2bright on August 20, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Has anyone told Selena Roberts?

DANEgerus on August 20, 2007 at 4:05 PM

Do you realize that the post you linked to was written in January of this year???

congsan on August 20, 2007 at 3:59 PM

Yes I did..it was just a joke.. a bad joke.

redrock on August 20, 2007 at 4:07 PM

Umm, no, Blackface, “the accurate human equivalent to an abused dog” is not an abused child. A child is a human being. A dog is not. That is my point. There is no accurate human equivalent to an animal. One is a human, the other is an animal.

We seem to have elevated animals to being more valued (or, equally appalling, AS valued) as human beings. Again, I think the things Vick did are horrific, and as you say, I have taught my own children that we have a special responsibility to care for our pets because they have been domesticated by us and are dependent upon us. It’s an ethical responsibility. However, I also teach them that animals are not human beings, and our primary concern as moral humans must always be for the well-being of our fellow humans.

I am only suggesting the the media, the sports organizations, and perhaps the public seem to have demonstrated an outrage at Vick’s actions toward dogs that I have seldom seen when those same players victimize human beings. That’s all.

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 4:09 PM

I’m not defending Vick, he is guilty as charged. However, we have doctors out there killing full term babies with no consequences what so ever. PETA may be proud of this one but we have our priorities wrong somewhere.

duff65 on August 20, 2007 at 4:11 PM

He’ll be back in the league eventually, too. I am disgusted by this crap, but they’re dogs. Rape a woman, beat up your girlfriend, spit on an umpire, gamble on sports, drunk driving, all manner of steroid use, illegal drugs — all are excusable…
Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 3:30 PM

You think gambling or spitting on an umpire are worse offenses than serial torturing companion animals???

Here’s why people care less about the things you cite:

When NFL players (or athletes) in general tend to be accused of rape, the story usually involve phrases like “met at a night club” or “exotic dancer.” While strippers and night club floozies certainly don’t deserve to be raped, they also aren’t particularly sympathetic characters. They don’t trigger protective instincts.

The “girlfriends” of the athlete/thugs who tend make the news for domsetic violence are usually perceived merely as strippers or night clubber floozies who managed to land the big one. At the very least, we recognize that adult women, even abused one, are responsible for and have power over their own lives. (Also, even abused girlfriends are still alive to allege abuse.)

Umpires know what they’re getting into, and choose to get into it. Being spit on can be remedied with a bar of soap.

Gamble on sports, and nobody gets hurt.

Drunk driving is serious but non-violent in its intent, not to not uncommon.

Steroid and drug abuse only harm one’s self.

Blacklake on August 20, 2007 at 4:12 PM

Apologies for the formatting issue there.

Blacklake on August 20, 2007 at 4:13 PM

That’s all? it will end up being a year or less with probation. There’s always arena, canadian & the world league.

ackrite55 on August 20, 2007 at 4:13 PM

Umm, no, Blackface…

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 4:09 PM

That probably tells us about as much as we need to know about you.

Blacklake on August 20, 2007 at 4:15 PM

Whoa! Can that be right? The State charges would carry a 40 year bid? Vick better hope he dosen’t get indited. I am sure that fact influenced his guilty plea to the Federal charges. Right now a little genuine remorse along with denouncing the dog fight culture would help Vick. Its sad to see him crash and burn in such a fashion. I prefered the humility of the old school players. Fame, fortune and an unbridled ego are a lethal combination for sure!

sonnyspats1 on August 20, 2007 at 4:15 PM

Man, I am sooo sorry. I really did read your screen name wrong. Seriously. I don’t do nasty racial rhetoric. In fact, I don’t do any mean stuff at all. Genuinely embarrassed here. I think I’ll quit posting for awhile and go find my reading glasses.

Rational Thought on August 20, 2007 at 4:19 PM

Has fat al and jesseshowmethemoney commented yet…???…I’ll bet al will say it’s racist…and jesse will want his money since he can’t use it now…

areseaoh on August 20, 2007 at 4:21 PM

Exit question: Lifetime suspension? I can’t believe they’d torpedo one of the top two or three talents in the league. Then again, if the fallout’s already this bad…

“They” aren’t torpedoing him. He is torpedoing himself.

We really need to stop making excusses for thugs.

Lawrence on August 20, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Oh…

And, thanks for the Preview button. A much anticipated and appreciated improvement.

Lawrence on August 20, 2007 at 4:24 PM

The sentence should be without parole – otherwise, he only has to serve 1/3rd of the sentence (18 months = 6 months). As far as the gambling, I don’t have proof – however, I’ve never heard of any one participating in dog fights, cock fights, etc., without gambling on the outcome.

msflea on August 20, 2007 at 3:32 PM

This is federal time. Day for day. No shorter terms. 24 months = 24months

RobG on August 20, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Zetterson on August 20, 2007 at 4:02 P

Catch ESPN when you can. It’s wall-to-wall. They’ll show it 100X by midnight easily.

TheBigOldDog on August 20, 2007 at 4:30 PM

areseaoh on August 20, 2007 at 4:21 PM

Yeah, Fat Al came out and threw Vick under the bus a couple weeks ago…

Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 4:43 PM

Blacklake on August 20, 2007 at 4:12 PM

Nope. I love my dogs and spend significant amounts of time and affection on them both. I have a picture of my late Willie Dixon on the wall of my office. He’s been dead for 8 years.

But Vick’s dogs weren’t “companion animals”, apparently. He allegedly bred them for the purpose of having fights to the death with other dogs. I categorically reject this activity and wish for Vick to be prosecuted for any violation of the law.

Maybe I gave the wrong impression, here. It’s not that I am defending any part of Vick’s activities, it’s that athletes’ crimes and violations of law, regulations, and sporting ethics are routinely papered over in favor of popularity among fans, and profit for owners.

That is what I would change, rather than overlook Vick’s actions.

Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 4:50 PM

Blacklake on August 20, 2007 at 3:54 PM

PS You make an excellent argument, but I tend to be quick to point out our willingness to abuse each other, but to cry foul when animals are abused. But your points are well taken.

Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 4:54 PM

I hear NIKE indorsed him. I think they were working on the new: JUST CHEW IT! campaign.
I think they have reconsidered.

TheSitRep on August 20, 2007 at 5:00 PM

“I can’t believe they’d torpedo one of the top two or three talents in the league.”

He runs fast. He is one horrible football playa and a worse QB. They can dump him. The minor league, er, our college campuses, have plenty of rampaging, illiterate thugs just waiting for their chance to take his place…

JWS on August 20, 2007 at 5:02 PM

One thing that’s being overlooked is that Goodell is trying to eliminate ANY criminal behavior in the ranks — look at the players he’s already hit with half to whole season suspensions and in those cases there wasn’t even a conviction yet.

That aside, Goodell gave Vick an opportunity to clean things up with him face to face. Vick chose to outright lie.

For that Vick will never play in the NFL again.

On top of all that he gambled — Goodell would be out of his mind to allow someone who participated in illegal gambling activity of any kind and in any capacity to remain in the league.

Beyond the NFL, none of the mainstream leagues would want him (AFL, afl2, CFL), and I’m certain that even if he did end up in the lower tier indoor or outdoor leagues he’d get booed off the field anywhere he went.

I do believe he’s done for good…

chrisro on August 20, 2007 at 5:15 PM

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