Debate Video: Hillary Clinton on “brushbacks”
posted at 3:38 pm on August 19, 2007 by Bryan
This may or may not be the most significant moment in this morning’s Democrat debate on ABC — I’m still slogging through it — but it struck me as a significant sign of Democrat priorities in the war, and who they ultimately see as the biggest threat in the world.
The context is whether Obama was right to state that he would invade Pakistan without Musharraf’s acquiescence if his administration had actionable intelligence against Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts in that country.
Never mind that bin Laden is probably in Iran if he’s even still alive. That wasn’t part of this hypothetical.
The question gets around to Hillary Clinton, and has by now morphed into whether Obama should have taken the nuclear option entirely off the table in the larger war. Clinton is reminded of a statement of her own from last year, when she said that “no option should be off the table, but I would certainly take nuclear weapons off the table.” Never mind the obvious incoherence of that.
The context of that statement is the Bush administration’s stated pursuit of bunker-busting nukes capable of destroying deeply buried targets, which first made headlines back in 2002. The obvious use of such weapons would be to take out Iran’s and perhaps North Korea’s suspected nuclear weapons facilities, many of which are buried deep inside mountains and thus invulnerable to conventional strikes. That’s why the axis countries put them where they did: They can’t stop the B2 stealth bomber, but they can make sure that whatever payload the B2 is carrying can’t reach their nuclear facilities. The obvious use of announcing that the US is developing such weapons is to let the mullahs know that even their nuclear bunkers won’t be safe for very long. Whether we actually field the weapons or not, the message of announcing their development is an important one and it’s aimed squarely at the mullahs and their smug confidence in their mountain hideaways.
Pay attention to how Clinton describes her opposition to the development and potential use of bunker-busting nukes.
Link: sevenload.com
Clinton describes her “I would take nukes off the table” statement as a “brushback,” not against Iran for its development of nuclear weapons and its sponsorship of terrorism, its record of aggression around the world or its murderous meddling in Iraq, but against the Bush administration. The Democrats throw brushback pitches against the Bush administration all the time, via war resolutions in Congress and the like, and one of the many effects this has is to blunt whatever strategies short of attack the administration itself may be working against dangerous regimes like the one in Tehran.
After all, if the mullahs know that there’s strong opposition in Washington to developing weapons that could possibly destroy their buried nuclear weapons facilities, why should they worry about us ever actually using such weapons? But if we were to put on a united front against them, even to the point of developing bunker-busters or at least having most of our important politicians agree that we ought to look into it, how might the mullahs see that? They might see that the US meant business, and realize their nuclear weapons business was a dangerous one for them.
It’s a telling thing, to me at any rate, that the Democrats consistently brushback against the Bush administration but seldom if ever brushback against the Iranians or the North Koreans or anyone else. Once in a while they’ll talk a good game, and it was heartening to see Dodd and Biden refer to “jihadists” in this debate and seem to mean what they said about the dangers that jihadists pose to us in the context of Pakistan, but for the most part the Democrats from Hillary to Gravel are far more concerned about what Bush will do than what Achmedinjad will do. They’ll talk about the jihadists who might take power in Pakistan but not the jihadists who already have all the power in Iran, and who would probably take power in Iraq if we leave too soon. And they’ll do what they can to psychoanalyze and placate the Iranians, apparently never realizing that they’re probably undermining Bush administration strategies aimed at reminding Tehran that we’re several decades ahead of them in nuclear research and light years beyond them in broader military capabilities. Or perhaps they do realize that they’re undermining Bush strategy, and that’s the point of their brushbacks. Neither speaks well of any of their seriousness as actual presidents.
A united front against an enemy like Iran, once in a while, might be a good thing. But as long as there’s a Republican in the White House, the Democrats will never allow this country to show a united front against anyone. Because we’re divided, enemies see us as weaker than we are. Thus the Iranians press on with their nuclear games, mindful that the Democrats and their brushbacks will keep the Bush administration from making any aggressive moves against them.
Essentially, Democrats like Hillary are throwing brushback pitches at their own team, and by blaming Bush for all problems and our enemies for none, serving up homerun balls to our actual opponents.









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That is a good point and one missed by the MSM about the whole Obama vs Hillary tiff
Its one thing to talk to foreign dictators but its another if you behave either like Winston Churchill or Neville Chaimberlain
If the whole purpose of your talk is to avoid war then you automatically give the enemy a victory. Because he no longer veiws you as a threat and will do as he will.
Im sure Saddam in 1993 saw the US backing down and felt he could get back to business as usual
William Amos on August 19, 2007 at 3:46 PM
So it’s Bush’s fault? Is that what I’m hearing?
thesheesh on August 19, 2007 at 3:50 PM
Well of course it is! The liberals say it is so, and God knows, uh wait, and Heaven knows, er, and they know they’re never wrong.
PatrickS on August 19, 2007 at 4:00 PM
You have my sympathies.
I don’t know what MM is paying you, but it can’t possibly be enough.
Nice catch, and good point at least.
billy on August 19, 2007 at 4:10 PM
Good analysis Bryan. I watched part of the debate this morning, and was actually kind of impressed by Biden. He at least sounded like he takes the threat of radical islam more seriously than any of the others.
Kucinich actually had a pretty good joke in there too, during the question about prayer. I don’t think I’ve ever seen his wife before this morning either. Daaaaaaamn.
BadgerHawk on August 19, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Is it just me, or does that smirk on her face look like she is saying….Georgie I got you sooooooo deep in my pocket…
You guys are looking at the next President. Fear the Pantsuit.
Limerick on August 19, 2007 at 4:17 PM
I think he was putting it in context, by pointing out Hillary’s flip-flop during a campaign regarding a national security issue.
Good for Steph – maybe he’s an Obama supporter.
Dork B. on August 19, 2007 at 4:19 PM
That little smug leer on her face as the question was being asked was all I needed to see. I knew she had a bullet for the GOP and America in general all loaded and ready to go.
bbz123 on August 19, 2007 at 4:25 PM
These people, Democrats, cannot be trusted with the defense of U.S. strategic interests.
MCPO Airdale on August 19, 2007 at 4:54 PM
Good one Bryan! Thanx for the brilliant analysis.
The Democrats love power, and hate Bush, more than they love our country.
Ordinary1 on August 19, 2007 at 4:54 PM
It’s in the Democratic play book.
Blame America First.
Kini on August 19, 2007 at 4:58 PM
I wouldn’t want her finger on a campaign button much less the nuclear button.
Wimps on parade.
profitsbeard on August 19, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Maybe he didn’t meet the height requirement to be on the Clinton ride.
Kini on August 19, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Come on, Bryan. None of this means anything. Let’s get back to criticizing our candidates over their shoes and riding in golf carts. THOSE are the crucial things that should determine our future leader of the free world and how they will deal with future threats to said free world.
Okay, in all seriousness, excellent analysis, Bryan. We need more of this and less of the shoes and golf cart crap in our national debate.
Michael in MI on August 19, 2007 at 5:04 PM
This will be GWB at his finest..Lame-duck status and doesn’t ever give a dam about what polls or opinions say (just have to look at his immigration policy to see that one)..So if I was the Mullahs, I would be sweating bricks for the next year and a half..Just say yessss to bunker-busters..I wish we had a T-shirt for that..and pray GWB does it before He leaves office, if Billary or Osama win we are all doomed..
Legions on August 19, 2007 at 5:05 PM
You nailed the big problem within the Democrat Party right here, Bryan:
Plain and simple, the Democrats’ only enemies are domestic: President Bush, the GOP, Conservatives, Evangelicals, Christians, etc. They will bend over backwards to make excuses for our real foreign and domestic enemies (C.A.I.R., Muslim Students Association, Muslim American Society, etc), yet they will do everything in their power to undermine our efforts to fight our real enemies. The same goes for the Democrats/Leftists/”Progressives” within the American mass media.
It is absolutely appalling to see so many Americans ally themseleves with people and groups who wish to see American destroyed.
Then again, we must remember that the Democrat Party (or at least a vast majority of its members) does not like the fact that America is a super-power. And they are working to try to destroy us a little bit so we do not have as much power/influenece in the world.
Michael in MI on August 19, 2007 at 5:11 PM
If it’s a brushback against the “Bush-Cheney Administration,” does that the dugouts can empty so the BCA team can go kick her butt on the mound?
Seriously, that woman, Ms. Clinton, is simply not a serious person. Unfortunately, she’s going to be our next president.
(By the way, thanks for the Preview button.)
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on August 19, 2007 at 5:13 PM
I found this comment, left by realwest, over at LGF this morning, to be quite interesting:
Michael in MI on August 19, 2007 at 5:14 PM
I would find some reassurance in knowing the Democrats actually believe our country is their own team.
INC on August 19, 2007 at 5:25 PM
Good job Bryan
What I thought interesting was when the camera panned toward her right while she was stumbling around her words was the smirk on silky ponies face. Oh the thoughts that must have been running through his locks.
mjkazee on August 19, 2007 at 6:05 PM
What? The Democrats are still debating? They have pretty much covered everything under the sun I can think of on every network imaginable.
No wait, I forgot!
We have yet to have the debate on the Cartoon Network, with Space Ghost as the moderator.
Or maybe Spongebob.
I forget which.
pilamaye on August 19, 2007 at 6:09 PM
For Democrats, “there is only the party”.
CP on August 19, 2007 at 6:37 PM
You need to write more Bryan. Nice job…
Hillary. Hmm. Worthless piece of opportunistic sh*t comes to mind. Incompetent also. Fairly reasonable, fairly important question for once, and THAT answer is going to inspire approximately 50% of our population to vote her commander-in-chief? This woman will command zero respect from our enemies…
JWS on August 19, 2007 at 6:53 PM
huh?
ernesto on August 19, 2007 at 6:53 PM
Hillary Clinton has mastered speaking the art of speaking in a bubble.
She has taken every possilbe position on many major campaign issues. She knows exactly what to say to seem more san than the rest of the libs.
Rudy is similar to Hillary in that regard, but I think he gets taken to task far more than Hillary ever would.
The Race Card on August 19, 2007 at 7:07 PM
I can certainly understand why she’d just as soon stop being asked hypothetical questions. They expose her thinking.
daveintexas on August 19, 2007 at 7:21 PM
Several of Osama’s sons have shown up in Iran. Some believe he fled there rather than Pakistan
William Amos on August 19, 2007 at 7:24 PM
We should nuke Iran, North Korea and Pakistan nuclear sites before Dubya leaves office. Done deal game over. Then we can get back to important domestic issues like opening up our own oil fields and distributing the profit to our citizens like Kuwait.
sonnyspats1 on August 19, 2007 at 7:49 PM
I’m catching the final moments of a re-broadcast of today’s Democrat debate on C-Span and realized… Bill Richardson looks like Horatio Sanz a little bit.
Dork B. on August 19, 2007 at 7:52 PM
Limerick on August 19, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Heh Heh I caught that too Lim. He threw her a hardball and I think she was a little pissed. Ha Ha Ha Ha
sonnyspats1 on August 19, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Bunker buster bombs do not equal nuclear weapons. The “bunker busting” design does not require a nuclear payload. So what she said was “a lie”. That she is unable to clearly state the obvious (that nukes are unnecessary) make her a “lying liar telling lies”.
The fact is that any decision to attack deeply buried facilities will include the option of entombing the enemy by collapsing entry ways. Anyone who is confused by the effect of this need only take a look at the coverage of recent mine collapse disasters.
All this talk about “nukes” avoids the question of attacking Iran or Al-Queda at all. Which they would not.
Any suggestion that it is better to chase Al-Queda all over the world rather than draw them to one place to kill them shows a fundamental ignorance arrived at by years of Bush bashing, and no thought about the enemy.
At this late date, that disqualifies the entire Democratic field. Period.
Agrippa2k on August 19, 2007 at 7:58 PM
Ha – I’ve been trying to figure out where the preview button was you guys have been talking about – was about to ask when I finally found the damn thing…
taterblade on August 19, 2007 at 8:21 PM
She and the rest of the Democrats make me utterly sick. What bothers me the most though is that I keep hearing the MSM state that she is the next president as if it is a foregone conclusion! God help us…
CCRWM on August 19, 2007 at 8:24 PM
I can’t wait for Hitlery to get the nomination. The Dhems and the MSM are in a dream state right now and not aware of how badly she’s going to be beaten. Imagine the rank and file union guys voting for her? Riiiiight.
The only question that needs asking is “Who DIDN’T vote for Kerry that’s GOING to vote for Hitlery?” Answer: nobody.
Nice job Bryan. You should consider a career in media.
Mojave Mark on August 19, 2007 at 8:49 PM
Nice that there’s no particular strategic intelligence demonstrated by any of the “debaters”, but pandering political posturing only.
Next week they’ll be taking the exact opposite positions if need be.
They should all get free tap shoes before each appearance. (And maybe an ebony cane and top hat, too.)
profitsbeard on August 19, 2007 at 9:01 PM
What has been occurring for the last seven years in regards to the Democrat party in their attacks on this country in general and to this president specifically can only be construed as treasonous actions. Unfortunately, I feel that this is only a symptom of the greater problem which is my generation.
I have been teaching for twenty years. When I first started teaching whenever I had problems with a problem student the parents would generally back me up and discipline their child. However, in the last fifteen years the trend has shifted to the parents believing their child completely and blaming me for the problems in the classroom. (I joke with other teachers that this is the J.C. syndrome, i.e., their child can do no wrong.) Nine times out of ten the parents who take this attitude are liberals. In many ways this parallels the way that liberals now view this country. It is never another country that is doing something wrong, it is the U.S..
It is my generation that has had this shift in attitude. I am not completely certain why this shift has occurred but I do feel that part of the problem was the takeover of higher education (e.g. colleges and universities) in the 60′s and 70′s by liberals.
I know there are many people (including some on this web site) who feel that K-12 public education is a total farce. Please believe me that just as in politics there are people out there who are doing the right thing to make our country the best in the world. However, when I see people like John Edwards running for president or new teachers who have been brainwashed by the colleges of education it makes me wonder what is the future of this country.
dawgyear on August 19, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Continuing fashion commentary:
(If you guys are tired of me doing this just say so and I will stop. I am just enjoying myself evaluating what she wears and the message it sends and wondering if she’ll ever get it right. I am trying to wait until initial reactions to her content are made. You may be evaluating the content of her words, but you’re acting like thinking conservatives when you do that! Many will just be reacting to the way she looks!).
Let me start with the positive: I like the handkerchief she has in her suit jacket pocket. It does looks feminine. As to the rest:
I can’t find my husband’s old copy of John Malloy’s Dress For Success, but I had an immediate negative reaction to that shade of brown–it was not dark enough for one thing. It made her look like a lightweight competitor in comparison with the men. (Look at her in the shot that includes all of the candidates. She stands out, but not in an outstanding way!). I did a search and I did find a reference to Malloy saying that a man in a blue suit is more likely to be hired than a man in a brown suit.
Malloy also recommends that women need to wear skirted suits. I agree that Hillary needs to wear those in these debates. I think it will subtly say she’s a woman, and wearing a darker color will say she should be taken seriously.
I have dragged out my old copy of Color Me Beautiful to further evaluate her colors. She needs to be wearing a grayed navy or charcoal blue-gray suit when she goes for dark colors in these debates. I was right the other week when I said she should never wear black.
She should really go for a classic Coco Chanel suit look. She would then look feminine and professional. eBay has some great items. She should also look at some old pictures of Margaret Thatcher in her skirted suits (I know, Hillary would rather die) for some help.
As a side note, Hillary needs to lose weight. The comparison video clip from last year is not a good comparison. George did her no favors with that.
But, alas for Hillary, I realized as I looked at the pictures of Margaret Thatcher the way in which Dame Thatcher’s character came through no matter what she wore. The thing to remember about Hillary is that she is never going to be able to overcome the fact that as you get older who you are on the inside shows more and more in the way you look on the outside. After a certain age, gravitas and character are not something you can paste on your face or fake; that inner reality will come through.
INC on August 19, 2007 at 9:42 PM
INC-
I’m for a beige burqa.
To kowtow to the Next Season in Sartorial Submissive Splendor.
profitsbeard on August 19, 2007 at 10:26 PM
profitsbeard,
:-)
INC on August 19, 2007 at 10:41 PM
INC, this was the absolute worst of all, and my all time favorite ‘bad’ example.
Gracious, thank you – we’ve got preview capability. Thank you HA!!!
Entelechy on August 19, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Entelechy, as Howard Dean would say,
INC on August 19, 2007 at 10:58 PM
There it is, pure and simple.
Listening to these nitwits brings to mind a university senate of student “leaders” and leftist professors in a make-believe foreign policy debate. Utter disconnection from reality.
Jaibones on August 19, 2007 at 11:25 PM
I like you, Mark. I like your edgy energy.
Now will you please f*cking quit referring to that woman as “Hitlery”? She’s not Hitler, she’s not a Nazi, she’s just a garden variety socialist liberal with an unusually weak resume running for President.
Maybe some of you people, just like the scum at HuffPo, DKos, Atrios, and DU haven’t studied enough history to understand what, exactly, it was that Hitler did. But it’s easy: he murdered people in order to take dictatorial control of his own country, and then many others. He murdered several million people.
She doesn’t murder people, and no bizarre rationalization that you could dream up will make any sense of calling her that. Quit it.
Haven’t we had this f*cking conversation enough yet?
Jaibones on August 19, 2007 at 11:35 PM
I am confident that America would not have Cankles or Hussein for president. But I tell ya what, if I am wrong then we are doomed I tell ya DOOMED!
TheSitRep on August 20, 2007 at 12:43 AM
If you are a republican, pray every night that the donkeys nominate this woman. The American people will never elect Hillary Clinton president.
Labamigo on August 20, 2007 at 12:43 AM
That’s pretty naive. They’re going to develop nuclear weapons in any case. They already know it’s dangerous.
It’s “Bush administration strategies” that have emboldened them, and practically handed them Iraq on a silver platter.
B26354 on August 20, 2007 at 1:03 AM
A bit off topic, but it sure seems like there are alot of democratic debates happening, but I haven’t seen many republican debates yet. I know it is early, and over time there will be more, but isn’t “facetime” with candidates how America decides who their candidate will be, and as far as the swing vote goes, if they will vote democratic or republican?
Trtle2001 on August 20, 2007 at 1:11 AM
Right now….with the state of the RNC….how are we going to stop her from becoming CIC? Any of you who think she is unelectable are playing ostrich. The American public is, to put it simply, pooped! They want their MTV and they want their iPhones, and GWB isn’t giving them either. We here on these forums are what…..0.01% of the voters? 0.1%? 1.0%? If you think we are 50.1 percent then you need to lay off the Kool-aid. The only ‘standard’ the general public cares about is how much COLA is going to be in their next paycheck. Unless the RNC morphs into General Patton in the next 120 days you better start writing your ‘I can’t belive we lost’ speaches.
Limerick on August 20, 2007 at 1:15 AM
speech……that what the preview button is for I take it.
Limerick on August 20, 2007 at 1:17 AM
If she wears a skirt, how will she hide her cankles? Obama told some columnists earlier this year to lay off talking about his ears. Maybe Hillary can tell the TV cameras to keep the shots above her knees.
Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2007 at 1:21 AM
I agree. I would recommend to anyone a visit the Holocaust museum in Washington DC sometime. A trip through their exhibits will give you a good idea of the magnitude of Hitler’s derangement and level of evil. These days calling an opponent “hitler” does not elevate the bad character of the opponent, it only reduces the depravity of Hitler. That should never be done. It should be remembered who he was and what he did.
The closest comparison to Hitler I can recall is someone referring to Hussein as “Hitler Lite.” And we know how bad Hussein was.
Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2007 at 1:27 AM
Managers used to tell their pitchers NOT to throw brushbacks to Ted Williams. They said it just pissed him off and he got up twice as determined to hit the ball hard, somewhere.
Too bad there are no Teddy Ballgames on the Republican side who could take a Hillary brushback and then on the next pitch undress her with a screaming liner back through the box. (Sorry for the metaphor with Hillary, undress, and box.)
It used to be that politics stopped at the ocean’s shore. Those days are long gone as the Dims show no shame at sacrificing national unity for seats in Congress.
Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2007 at 1:32 AM
The Nopoulos is by no fan of the Clintons anymore; just like Dick Morris who was also pushed out of the administration.
- The Cat
P.S. As to the undermining. The only reason why I still call myself a Republican even after all the amnesty stuff and being called a bigot and all, is due to the fact that, right or wrong it’s the party that actually is trying to get stuff done while the dems only care about is, “Let’s here it for the power.”
MirCat on August 20, 2007 at 1:53 AM
My heart agrees, but recent history sides with Limerick. The presidency is not a referendum or a poll; it’s an election. There are lots of structural issues, and we are on the wrong side of all of them.
Nobody actually likes this woman, and a lot of people despise her, but she has all of the structural benefits on her side right now, and the GOP is giving the voters absolutely nothing as an alternative. Our candidates are old, flawed and unexciting.
Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 6:42 AM
All I can say is ” She is a piece of lying dog dung!”
Ya, she deserves to be president!!!!
Golfer_75093 on August 20, 2007 at 8:32 AM
Thank you for taking the time to say all that, but it’s not just Hilary and Hitler. When we engage in simple-minded name calling we simply make ourselves look bad. We want to sound more serious than the people at HuffPo, DKos, Atrios, and DU. At least, I do.
thuja on August 20, 2007 at 8:46 AM
thuja, bless you. But I am filled with hypocrisy on that issue, so I got nothin’.
Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Never take any option off the table. Ever.
An American President is sworn to uphold our laws, our rights, and our way of life. They are not sworn to appease effete diplomats in Brussels. They are not sworn to turn us into fetal-positioned-wards-of-Big-Mother’s State.
The world isn’t the Berkely Campus. The threat of force and it’s actual use, must be real, credible and exercised when required. Last resort yes. But exercised. With vigor.
A few other disturbing points:
1. Democrats still believe that George Bush is the biggest threat to America and the World (second only to Global Warming, buhaha). Democrats pandering for power is sickening.
2. Just as sickening as Republican pandering for illegal aliens, pork projects and power for the sake of power (until they got a well-deserved boot in the arse in ’06).
3. As someone stated above, sadly, Republicans still lack a definitive option to Hillary. I think the Republicans (a party in which I used to consider myself until Shamnesty came along) still haven’t gotten the message from us (the base). They are still locked in their petty power struggles within the beltway.
Shameful.
Montana on August 20, 2007 at 1:31 PM