Video: Fred a la cart! Update: Gucci loafers video added!
posted at 11:06 am on August 18, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Stupid but amusing. The two main raps on him is that he’s “lazy” per his reputation for not wanting to work 16-hour days like most senators (and certain bloggers) do and that his folksy common touch is contrived to disguise the fact that he’s a wealthy Beltway insider. Hence the alleged significance of his use of a golf cart at yesterday’s Iowa state fair, which both Fox and WaPo noticed:
During Thompson’s whirlwind tour of the fair Friday, he wore Gucci loafers and rode a golf cart. That set him apart from other candidates visiting this week, such as Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who took his two young daughters on rides and sat down to tuck into a pork chop.
If you’re going to put in man-of-the-people face time at the fair, own it. The media’s in narrative-building mode right now, especially as applied to the GOP. Don’t make it easier for them with penny ante crap that could easily be avoided. Especially when even Hot Air’s Fredhead commenters are grumbling that you look old.
Fun report from the Foxies, though, notwithstanding the error in the chyron about which state he’s from. Poor Carl Cameron almost chokes on having to report the idiocy that is the “butter cow.”
Update: Man, Fox didn’t miss a thing yesterday, did it?
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When I’ll see Hillary Clinton get a few cow-crêpes drops on her designer suits, while standing on her own feet, I’ll get really worried.
Until then,
Simpson wore Gucci shoes,
Fred wore Gucci shoes,
Therefore, Fred must have…I’m digging for my old ligic class book…
P.S. I grew up with cow crêpes all around us and I still don’t own designer bla, blas, but I know the difference and how one gets from one to the other, and never forgets. How many in the media know the former? And, if Fred lets the media, any media, define him, he’s a fool.
Entelechy on August 18, 2007 at 2:40 PM
…some things never change….s/b “logic book”.
Entelechy on August 18, 2007 at 2:41 PM
I agree.
Not to worry, though. According to csdevan at 2:27 PM, Fred! is a master of creating whatever image he feels necessary to win office. Remember, he’s only an actor, so he can just ring up his Hollywood buddies to get the script and wardrobe for what ever it his he is going to “play” this campaign season. Imagine the versatility this offers him! Poor Mitt and Rudy and the rest….stuck with who they are and unable to craft a more “appealing” image.
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Mallard T. Drake on August 18, 2007 at 2:49 PM
Fred is smart as it is still too early to start this nonsense.
He wears Gucci loafers?! Oh, the humanity! How will the Republic survive a candidate that knows a Gucci loafer will last 20 years, while a cheap pair of shoes lasts 6 months. Do people realize a good pair of cowboy boots cost as much as a pair of Gucci loafers? Who cares? Will he cut my taxes, kill terrorists, and appoint Conservative judges? If he will, he has my vote.
Sheesh! Get a grip. It is August, I would be riding around in a golf cart, too.
Stormy70 on August 18, 2007 at 2:50 PM
The reason why his answer for his support of CFR is important to me is because CFR is not even close to being an idea that is born from principles steeped in an ideology of Federalism. And if he doesn’t have a good, reasonable answer for his support, then he is likely to be more of a quasi federalist…maybe a Frederalist.
Weight of Glory on August 18, 2007 at 2:52 PM
I don’t know about everybody else, but I LOVE this stuff. And the crazier it gets, the better.
The media were planning to start the delicate task of explaining to their unbalanced minions where to aim their Derangement Syndrome after a solid Republican leader popped his head out. But the moonbats have picked up the scent all on their own. They can’t think their way out of a wet paper bag. Liberals would literally die before they recognized a physical threat - but they’re like canaries in a coal mine when it comes to sensing anything that poses a threat to their self-esteem (i.e., political influence.)
We can argue until we’re blue in the face, but who needs polls when you have pheromones? The LIBERALS have absolutely no doubt whatsoever about who they fear the most.
logis on August 18, 2007 at 2:56 PM
I’d have a lot more sympathy for this if 1) the candidates did it and 2) all the candidates where actually in the race.
For the most part, the Republicans have been fairly respectul of each other. It got a little testy when 4 times Jesus Brownback started doing the robo calls in Iowa saying that Romney didn’t believe in God, same with McCain in SC, but for the most part pretty clean so far. It will get rougher. Negative campaigning works.
But you miss the point about Fred. He won’t debate. He won’t put his beliefs in the public light have them debated and when people here try, all we get is things like “Fred is the MAN!”.
I have put up Fred’s anemic record on immigration numerous times. Fredheads ignore it.
I have put up Fred’s support of McCain/Feingold numerous times. Fredheads ignore it.
I have put up clips of Fred’s pro-choice flip flop numerous times. Fredheads ignore it.
Sure, it would be great if we could have a race strictly on the positions the candidates have taken in the past and their current positions. When Fred finally gets in, he will be forced to answer for his actions and not to Sean Hannity. Until then, all we can do is talk about what Fred gives us.
And this concept that looks don’t matter is just not true no matter how much it may seem trivial. There never would have been a President Kennedy if looks didn’t matter. Hell, Reagan played the Marlboro Man image for all it was worth.
Them’s the rules. And they apply to all candidates.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 2:56 PM
I for one want to dig up every bit of dirt on our rep candidates before we make him the nominee just to have Hillary dig it up and we lose the election. IE: I welcome this LDS hit piece movie that opens on September 24th. “September Dawn” is a true story of the massacre of 120 men, women, and children at the hands of members of Mitts! faith. If he can survive it, I think the issues of his religion will be over with. After that, I say beat the crap out of them all and expose every last piece of dirt on them.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 3:12 PM
I could not agree more. My god complaining about soemones shoes, sound pretty peddy to me. Sooner or later we are going to get behind one of these people, I does no good to tear them down now. There is not one person that is going to be perfect. If we want to keep the WhiteHouse we better cool out jets or we will realy have something to bitch about.
KBird on August 18, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Freds? fake pickup truck.
fred? funnels funds to do nothing son.
And here’s a cherry for the top….
fred? takes credit for part of a Reagan speech at the Lincoln Club. Of course he has no proof, but why should that matter?
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 3:27 PM
If he loses, I don’t know, but whatever he does, his track record is 100% better than freds?.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 3:29 PM
Didn’t you know? fred? doesn’t act for his roles. He just shows up and acts naturally. That’s why he is qualified for the job of POTUS.
Bwahahahahaha!!!
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 3:32 PM
But admittedly, Reagan didn’t have to craft that image. He WAS what he projected. Right?
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 3:35 PM
I’m a Mitt-Mutt. I’m a Rudy-Dude. I’m a Fred!-Head. I’m also going to sit back and wait for the cream to rise to the top. How it gets there, I don’t know.
cjs1943 on August 18, 2007 at 3:40 PM
Sure. I suspect most politicians are what they appear to be no matter how hard they try to spin things. That includes Rudy being a bit of a grumpy big city mayor. That includes Romney channeling Donnie Osmond. That includes Fred wearing Guccis and riding in a golf cart.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 3:41 PM
Ditto.
captivated_dem on August 18, 2007 at 3:44 PM
I love a well dressed man. I love Gucci shoes. I love Fred!
mimi1220 on August 18, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Bwahahahaha!! That’s funny!
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 3:57 PM
i am only 40 and would hop right in a golfcart upon entering the gates of my statefair if i had the option, and its only about 1/3 the size of the one shown there lol
trailortrash on August 18, 2007 at 4:04 PM
But what kind of shoes are the Democrats wearing?
frreal on August 18, 2007 at 4:19 PM
well in Mrs. Clinton’s case, the devil wears Prada.
Weight of Glory on August 18, 2007 at 4:45 PM
I’m still trying to digest the writer’s faux folsky image of “Obama tucked into a porkchop“.
Makes him sound like some kind of filling.
Nobody outside of 1950’s Reader’s Digestspeak or the National Lampoon says “tucked into a porkchop“.
Fred looks more and more like an older Homer Simpson.
I don’t think he wants the job bad enough.
And it’s the kind of job you have to.
(BTW- the new “preview” button doesn seem to work, although it’s a nice idea, long overdue, when it does.)
profitsbeard on August 18, 2007 at 5:05 PM
Doesn’t all that unthinking knee-jerking ever give you a massive cramp? I’d think it would hurt after a while.
Do you really even believe things you say anymore … or are you just playing the anti-Fred role to entertain us? Is it just a one-note shtick that always gets a laugh? Kind of like the anti-Fred version of Adam Sandler playing the same clueless character in every movie … cuz it works?
Hey, whatever. Sandler cracks me up. So do you. And its tough to top Billy Madison. I just wonder if you ever get tired of being predictably one-dimensional?
Enquiring (sic) minds want to know! ;)
Professor Blather on August 18, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Freds? fake pickup truck.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 3:27 PM
That makes me think of the Edwards and Kerrys during 2004.
The story was that the Edwards got engaged at a Wendy’s, so every so often they would go to Wendy’s. During the 2004 campaign the Edwards and Kerry’s went to a Wendy’s, with press in tow of course, but did not eat very much and later were reported to have had a 7 course super pricey gourmet meal sent to their hotel.
MB4 on August 18, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Yeah, whatever.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Do you enjoy playing the pompous, arrogant tool? Do you do it so we will laugh at you?
If so, you’re exceeding your wildest dreams.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Gee, and just the other day you were defending Mitt for his “quasi-liberal” stances in Mass. because he had to get along with the Dems. in Mass to get elected. Okay to be a “vote whore” in Mass, but don’t rent a red pick up truck to get votes. No sir-eee, those red pick up trucks are worse than taking a stand on abortion, even worse than running from Reagan in a debate (although he did lose by 17%, oh yeah the best anyone has ever done against a person who drowns his dates).
Red is the color of the devil, and pick-up is code name for prostitute…he was driving a red pick-up,satan himself looking for prostitutes…Fred that evil truck rent’in devil.
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 7:00 PM
There is chance we could get our first woman president or our first president with a moslem middle name or our first mormon president. I see nothing wrong with having a yet another old, white man president. They’ve done us pretty well for the last couple of centuries.
I don’t even support Fred, but these ageist attacks on Fred annoy me. What do you people want? A fallible, human leader or the One Perfect Fuhrer? Or are you demanding the Messiah himself?
The Republican Party goes into this presidential election with the candidates that it has. Accept it.
thuja on August 18, 2007 at 7:04 PM
I thought I took care of that on Friday.
Okay, here it is again. (posted on Friday, after you stated this numerous times during the week)
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
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$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
$3.4 mil to his family.
Now that should keep you happy for the whole weekend, and you can move on to something that is actually important.
right2bright on August 17, 2007 at 12:52 AM
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 7:08 PM
I sure am glad I have entities like HA and FNC to set me straight. I actually thought at one time that Fred might be a viable alternative to the present field of candidates. But thanks to HA and FNC, I now know that Fred is an abortion-lovin’ best friend of Al Qaeda who’s completely unqualified to be president because he has a hot wife and rode in a golf cart while wearing Gucci shoes.
Thanks for setting me straight. I have no idea where I’d be without hard-hitting journalism/bloggery like this to let me know what to think.
Ya know … you’re right. Yet another reason to completely write him off. Who cares what his positions are …
thirteen28 on August 18, 2007 at 7:10 PM
Personally, I think the golf cart is an improvement for Fred.
Think about it… Fred is lazy. This golf cart moves at a faster speed than Fred’s walking pace. Therefore, this cart is integral to his campaign.
Go Fred! Ride that golf cart on into the sunset. Go Fredmobile Go!
BKennedy on August 18, 2007 at 7:16 PM
Hey, and don’t forget about the 3.4 million he is stealing from us…probably put it in his freezer.
Glad to see you and others are joining csdeven and jackstraw…those two are on top of all the breaking lies from Fred.
They have quite a following, gained a lot of respect.
Hey did I mention that Fred drove a red pick up and is taking 3.4 million dollars from us and giving it to his kids?
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 7:18 PM
Actually, I have a vision of you trying to understand PB’s posts, and it makes me laugh.
Do you ask the guy next to you at the bus stop, or do you just guess what PB is posting?
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 7:21 PM
You did catch my sarcasm, didn’t you?
But now, back to some more hard-hitting journalism on Fred:
P.S. Did you know Fred once wore Fruit of the Loom underwear?
Fruit? Gay Marriage? Yeah, you know where this is going, uh huh.
thirteen28 on August 18, 2007 at 7:23 PM
Michael InMI is dead on Nuff said
Bob
Bobnormal on August 18, 2007 at 7:25 PM
Got your sarcasm, and raised you.
Thanks for the, ahem, inside scoop on him being gay. So now we add to the list.
Red pick up truck
3.4 mil to his kids
Gucci
Rides a golf cart
Fruit of the Loom
I can see where these Mitt’ens get their strength. Those are telling facts about Fred.
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 7:29 PM
Nominating Fred? will be like Dole all over again. Nobody deserved it more than Dole, but he didn’t stand a chance against the nicer of the two Clintons. This video clip is a perfect example of that. And the morning shows will be all about Freds? fashion gaffes if that what it takes to get a D in the White House.
pedestrian on August 18, 2007 at 7:32 PM
I was paying down my credit card debt like a good American, but now I have this strange coveting for pretty shoes. O help me Hotheads I Beg You! Can someone subsidize my closet? With some $hoe or some a$$hat $$$$$?
RushBaby on August 18, 2007 at 7:36 PM
I don’t support anyone yet. THE SEASON IS EARLY! What have any of you seen from the previous so-called “debates?” Absolutely nothing of substance! I am waiting for Fred Thompson or Newt to enter the race to make it interesting. Why the feeding frenzy on our own Republicans? Yes, I know once they announce, they will all be opponents, but this feeding frenzy on Fred is just crazy. He is at the top of the polls even before he has announced! Maybe that is why so many supporters of Romney, etal are breathing fire! Maybe they don’t think it is fair? Hmm? Fred has had Newt as an advisor from the start and no one is more astute than Newt. Just give it a rest until after Labor Day when Thompson announces. I haven’t decided if I will support Fred, Mitt, etc. I have already weeded several out. Keep open minds, guys. We have to put forward the best Republican we can to defeat the dhimicraps in ‘08. Stop eating your own! It is way too early! Look at history.
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 7:44 PM
And you know that, how?
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 7:58 PM
Yea, he’s deep. A guy who thinks the election is in 15 months.
You on the other hand, not so much. But I’m sure he appreciates you sucking up. Maybe he’ll give you a cookie.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Do a FEC data base search.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 8:39 PM
I realize you fred?heads are perfectly fine with fred? faking you out, but the rest of us know the difference between that and a candidate nuancing his position so that the opposition will support him.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 8:43 PM
PB is baking cookies? Count me in! Heck, one can’t live on Fruit Cup alone!
aaaaaa! preview button works! P. I. M. F. !
RushBaby on August 18, 2007 at 8:46 PM
First, I’m not a Fredhead and second, this comment makes no sense at all. What the heck are you trying to say? Or is your blatent hatred for Fred clouding your normal conservative vision?
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 9:01 PM
The only problem I have with Fred is his membership in CFR. I’m not sure he is a protect the border guy. If he is not, he is not my guy. To me, that is number 1 in this election. I’m looking into whether other candidates are members. Anyone already know?
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Psst. He wasn’t talking to you. Note that he copied the person he was addressing.
No, no its not.
I thought you weren’t a Fredhead? CFR membership. Hee.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 9:11 PM
Yes, he was addressing right2bright, but he said “you fredheadS, as in addressing all Fredheads.
When I said:
Jackstraw said:
I was stating something in general and your snide remarks are not appreciated. You, in essence, called me a liar. You, sir, are an ass.
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 9:25 PM
No. You horned in on a conversation and tried to imply that csdeven said something he didn’t. You know how to read. Don’t pretend anything different. He specifically addressed a comment to one person and you implied that he was speaking to you.
You, ma’am, are a fraud. Don’t try to play the southern belle crap with me. I’m a yankee.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 9:37 PM
Hey JackStraw, it’s a free country and a united Republic. CSDEVEVEN is lovable bee in the bonnet, but you are indeed an ass.
/munch munch munch
/cheetos
RushBaby on August 18, 2007 at 9:43 PM
I did not horn in on a conversation and if csdevlin wanted it to be private, he should have sent an email. You don’t post on this forum and not expect someone to respond! csdevlin said what he did and he has yet to say he didn’t. Words have meanings. I have a Masters and I know how to read. Be careful who you attack with no reason. I never implied he was speaking to me. I just answered in general. You are the one who went bonkers! If I am a fraud, then you are a DU/ Daily KOS commenter. The vitriol you spew is appalling.
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 9:54 PM
Could be. But I’m also right.
Have some more cheetos. Rush won’t be able to tell you what to say till Monday.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 9:54 PM
I think I just remembered why I dislike some Yankees so much.
Buzzy on August 18, 2007 at 9:55 PM
Buzzy on August 18, 2007 at 9:55 PM
Please don’t dislike our resident self-proclaimed Yankee. He takes bait like a nice bewhiskered catfish takes dog food. It’s a nature-thing.
RushBaby on August 18, 2007 at 10:07 PM
RushBaby,
Seems you’re right.
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Aww, what’s wrong? You have no problem when a southern woman says a man is clouded in his vision because of blatent hatred when in fact he has been laying out the deficincies in Fred as a candidate for months and been a human pinata because of it. You have no problem when a southern woman pretends a comment was directed at her and gives her best “Well I never” when it was clearly addressed to another person.
I remember why I dislike some dixies everyday. They play this game that women can be hard nosed bloggers but then unasailble when they are clearly wrong. Well get used to it. Hillary is gonna play the Arkansas card throughout the campaign. And I have no intention of letting her get away with mistating the truth either in the place of gentlemanly deferencence. Neither will you and neither have any of you.
Neocon Peg was wrong. She hit csdevern wrongly. She should man up. But you guys will give her cover.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 10:16 PM
JackStraw
Whatever! Laughing until I can’t quit. Oh, never mind, that was addressed to Buzzy and not me. /laughter…..
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 10:24 PM
In other words, I was wrong and anyone who bothers to scroll up will see that.
Ok, I accept your apology.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 10:33 PM
What the matter, you Mitt’ens can’t fight your own fight? I didn’t see csdeven complain. Don’t pick on csdeven, you naughty neocon peg. He said you fred heads, knowing I am not a fred head, so who was he talking to?
You little Mitt’ens better grow some.
With the Mitt’ens, if you attack Mitt…you must be a Fred Head, and if you defend Fred, you must be a Fred Head. There is no such thing as “on the fence” or no such thing as objectivity. If you don’t support Mitt, if you are not a Mitt’en, then you are wrong, and stupid, and you should “man up”. You should “man up”…that’s tough guy yankee speak, yeah…you should “man up”.
Do not, I warn you, do not pick on a man who served his country in France, and who has proudly stated that his kids are now serving America by working in his campaign…those kids in Iraq or Afgan. don’t know hardship. Try living in France, with a millionaire father, or try driving an RV around the country…”danger!” are the Romney’s middle name.
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 10:36 PM
So do you handle CSD now or did someone elect you comment cop for this site?
Buzzy on August 18, 2007 at 10:38 PM
Um, yeppers, that’s it, in other words. Yall unnerstan what awl mean? Shoot, I can’t even type Southern!
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 10:44 PM
{{{NCP}}} yall made my August.
RushBaby on August 18, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Sorry, this is boring, Jack Straw is boring. Anyone who comments on hotair can see through this charade.
Thanks right2bright and buzzy, not for supporting me, but for supporting general opinions on hotair! Never did I dream my general comments would generate such vitriol from a commenter here. Good night all!
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Oops, forgot to mention RushBaby! Thanks!
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 10:53 PM
This is a quote from Fred, too bad Mitt did not have this attitude towards being conservative when pressed by Kennedy in a debate.
This was Mitts wussy remark, when Kennedy attacked him.
What was that quote…oh yeah! Mitt should man up.
You may not think Fred is a conservative, but you know Mitt is not by his own admission.
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Did you enjoy your cookie?
No, not at all. And if you have read you would know that I have disagreed with csd more than once. But I don;t lie and I don’t pretend when a commenter is addressing someone else they somehow are addressing me.
I disagree with csdeven on a number of issues. I agree with him on many. I respect his honesty and backbone for not giving in on the pack mentality that exists here. I don’t need gang approval to tell me when I should do either. And I damn well won’t bend the truth to pile on anyone, male or female.
Clear?
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 10:54 PM
Cookie was good…what did csdeven give you? Something very, very, special I bet.
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 11:11 PM
Well, you certainly “piled on” me. Or, don’t you remember that far back? p.s. I’m the female you piled on, i.e., the southern belle who “attacked” csdevlin for no apparent reason who you decided must be defended at any cost.
heh, heh, this is so easy.
Neocon Peg on August 18, 2007 at 11:18 PM
Pat Robertson
JFK
Carter
Bush
Do you want more?
Alan Keyes
Want more?
Quit whining about him being a Mormon. You and csdeven bring it up constantly. Most of us posting could care less. We are more worried about his faux conservative values.
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 11:19 PM
You bet. He said thank you to all of us who congratulated us on having some great kids. I feel honored to know a guy, even here, who has such great kids.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Wow! I miss all the good stuff.
First, I never said you were. Second, you obviously don’t understand the context. Third, I don’t hate anyone. fred? disgusts me.
I don’t get it. People get their panties in a bunch over something that wasn’t even directed at them. I understand it when I don’t make myself clear, but that wasn’t the case it that instance.
I’m going to attempt to straighten our wayward fred?ites out, but we’re having T-Storms tonight and my internet is hit-n-miss.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 11:25 PM
Speak for yourself, Jack. I like the Professor’s comments.
Jaibones on August 18, 2007 at 11:31 PM
Do you need more candidates that have been villified by the press and others for their religous leanings? Or have you learned that Mitt is the norm for someone of faith. I could have thrown in a couple of Jews, but that would be to easy. They used to get eliminated right from the start, never even got time to rev up the ol…”those Jews are greedy” or “once you get one Jew, they will all be Jews” comments.
Hopefully this will be the end of “your picking on the Mormons” comments.
right2bright on August 18, 2007 at 11:31 PM
Yeah, ya did horn in. And you are welcome to stick your foot in your mouth anytime you like but don’t expect the rest of the group to make your excuses when you get called on it.
I don’t live on HA, but you really didn’t need me to straighten you out. Jack already tried.
If that is the case, and you do have a masters, then you should recognize that you were not clear in your comment and it is understandable that someone would misunderstand. You have an obligation to remain calm and explain yourself.
The context you used…
“First, I’m not a fredhead” appears to be a defensive response to an accusation that you were a fredhead. Perhaps the phrase…
“Before I begin, I do not support anyone yet”
…would have articulated what you really meant more accurately?
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 11:33 PM
I can see how I am boring you. You haven’t addressed a single fact I addressed to you because you were flat wrong. You relied on a couple of light weights at that, to carry you.
You were wrong. Your words up above prove it. You aren’t proving anything other than you can get a couple guys to run to your protection. Typical southern woman. I’ll fight till I am completely wrong and then get men to defend me.
We expect more out of northern women. Maybe thats why Hillary is ruuning as a Nyer.
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 11:34 PM
It has nothing to do with that. Jack was responding to an erroneous remark by Peg. He would have (and has) done it in the past for others. When people don’t make themselves clear, conversations go down hill real fast. All of us have a responsibility to be as clear as possible in a forum where body language and tone of voice are not able to be used to determine context. It appears that Peg is claiming she didn’t mean it in the context it was taken, but instead of owning her part in it, she exacerbates the situation by being an ass.
And really, right2bright, I don’t need anyone covering for me. I haven’t met a person here yet that can defeat me in a debate. Especially when the subject is freddie boy.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Jack is doing what you should have done. Taking responsibility for civil conversation on this site. If you understood Pegs context, you should have stepped up and pointed out to her that how she wrote it came off not in the way she meant.
Jack isn’t handling me, he’s being a responsible member of the HA community. You on the other hand, seem to have fallen into the “feeding frenzy” mentality when you think someone got caught dead to rights.
Accepting that Peg was simple saying that she wasn’t a fredhead, she screwed up by writing it as a defense to an accusation that she was a fredhead.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Well true. But only because we haven’t argued about much.
I’ll win
JackStraw on August 18, 2007 at 11:49 PM
First of all, I think that you’ve either misinterpreted or misrepresented Neocon Peg’s post from 9:01pm. Second, even if I’m wrong, who cares? This is a public forum. People can comment on whatever they want to.
FloatingRock on August 18, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Ha! You wish! ;-)
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Sure they can, but they don’t get to use the “free forum absolute moral authority” card to cover their screw ups. Peg screwed up, plain and simple and she needs to apologize for being an ass when she should have explained her comment. I know Jack, he would have been fine with it.
csdeven on August 18, 2007 at 11:59 PM
She knew you weren’t talking to me, because you would have been lying to call me a Fred head…and you hate liars.
You guys don’t get it, and I have gone over this many times. So it is time for school again. Fred has not announced, he may never announce, so why not just support your man (be a good Mitt’en) and not diss the guy who is not running. Don’t you see? You are attacking someone who is a non entity right now. He is not a threat to you until he is in the race. He is on the sidelines. If you attack him, you are giving him credit. He threatens you without even being in the race…how much stronger is he for that?
Most of us just like to see you guys get jerked around. And others are just tired of seeing the same ol thing day after day after day. A red truck may be important to you, but you just got through supporting Mitts liberal slant to survive Mass. They both do things (all candidates do) to win the vote. Is the red truck more imporatant than stating ,I am an indepenent, not a conservative? Which one comes home to roost. When Mitt now says he is a conservative, was he lying, or campaigning? Was Fred lying or campaigning with his truck? If one is lying the other is also.
Fred is taking his time, because if you start to early, it wears out. You hear the same thing day after day after day. How many times can you hear a stump speach, and how much press will you get from your stump speaches? You get over-exposed, Obama, Hillary, Edwards are all feeling that now. Obama is limiting his debates, not because he is doing poorly, he is over-exposed. Hillary does not give many personal interviews, why? Not to be over-exposed.
One last point, no one likes to see a Republican piled on, that is what the MSM does. And that puts you right in line with their type of critique. You will gain more support for Fred with your very ticky tac arguments (I know you think they are incredible), than you will for Mitt. Just link MediaMatters, everything you state is on that website and has been long before anyone here has started whining about Fred.
Now, after saying that, you will ignore it and continue. But fair warning, you will (and have started to be) the butt of many jokes on HA. If that is your goal, you are succeeding. Unfortunately if cheapens HA.
Ponder, and goodnight.
right2bright on August 19, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Does that include your lies about me? No one defeats you because you will add things to the discussion that was never there. You know that, I have caught you at least three times lying about my comments.
So you are right, no one can beat your style of debate…now an honest debate I don’t know, haven’t seen it.
right2bright on August 19, 2007 at 12:06 AM
I criticize fred? because he is a liar and a fake, not because I perceive him as a threat.
You may be concerned over what others think of you, but when people criticize me, I just consider the source. Your opinion of me doesn’t cross my mind. I just don’t care.
If you would spend more time ragging on Mitt! for the real flaws he has, many of which I have had to link articles for you, instead of worrying so much about me, we could give Mitt! a real working over.
csdeven on August 19, 2007 at 12:10 AM
JackStraw on August 19, 2007 at 12:12 AM
Well, I’m gonna have my cookie and a warm glass of milk and call it a night.
L8R
csdeven on August 19, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Just for the heck of it let’s parse through Neocon’s response:
A simple qualifying statement
I had to read it a couple times myself before I understood what Csdeven was trying to convey. He’s trying to say that Fred is a fake whereas Mitt utilized nuance as a tool to increase his support in a liberal state.
Right on the money there, Neocon Peg! LOL!
FloatingRock on August 19, 2007 at 12:16 AM
When, in the 9:01 comment or another one? Maybe I missed something…
FloatingRock on August 19, 2007 at 12:19 AM
You do not get a free pass for lying, don’t you get it? You can’t lie about someone, and then say “don’t criticize me”. And I know I can’t make you own up to it…it just would be too much for you. But you know I have them archived.
Ponder what I wrote. Think about it…
right2bright on August 19, 2007 at 12:23 AM
and
rAmen, FR, and sincere best wishes to csdeven and jackStraw, esteemed argue-mates and friends.
RushBaby on August 19, 2007 at 12:27 AM
and right2bright - special regards. Salute!
RushBaby on August 19, 2007 at 12:30 AM
Hehe. How dare you interrupt him when he’s talking to himself!
I know cs keeps trying to explain his lexicon for how scattershot insults like “you fred?heads” are supposed to be constantly re-defined to fit whomever he wants them to from one moment to the next.
But we’re really supposed to believe that TWO people happened to end up on this same bizarre wavelength at the same time? Seriously; I’m just not buying it.
And, P.S. You can take that “Oh, never mind; he’s a rock-ribbed Republican who just doesn’t happen to like Fred Thompson very much” defense and shove it. A lot of people aren’t super crazy about Giuliani or McCain, but you don’t see anybody making a hundred foaming-at-the-mouth hate posts about them in a thread about shoe styles.
Seriously, there is a REASON these guys are going so completely off the deep end about Fred Thompson. And it has jack squat to do with loafers and golf carts.
logis on August 19, 2007 at 12:42 AM
Hmm, makes one wonder, does it not? Just why are these guys so completely off the reservation to the point of attacking me, even though I said I was not a Thompson fan. I’m not. I have not made up my mind. But these fanatics attack me no matter what just because I do not jump on their candidate’s (Mitt’s) bandwagon? Are they so much different from Daily KOS or DU? Think about it. Sorry to say, but I would hate to lose them to the other side.
Neocon Peg on August 19, 2007 at 12:56 AM
No, that’s not it.
OK, I’m just going to ignore that whole “losing them” thing - because I care even less than I know about what’s going on inside any Internet poster’s heart of hearts. (In fact, if I had the ability to read the minds of whoever typed the piles of gibberish posted under those two usernames, I would avoid doing so like it was the plague.)
But the other part? Well, that’s exactly it. It’s called being objective. When the moonbats try to explain why it is “patriotic” of them to shout the exact same opinions of American foreign policy the terrorists do, I frankly have very little patience for their insipid rationalizations.
Likewise, when I see a “conservative” keep mindlessly spouting the exact same idiotic list of talking points the Daily Kos spouts about a Republican - over and over and over again - then THAT is what I respond to. And, of course, I respond in exactly the same way I would if a fully credentialed barking moonbat had said the exact same thing.
Hell, anybody could blow a gasket. But if I were the one agreeing verbatim with the lunatic fringe on any issues I’d take a step back and wonder why I’d suddenly gone stark raving mad.
Once someone loses the capacity to ask himself that question, that’s it. He isn’t going anywhere; he is freaking GONE.
logis on August 19, 2007 at 1:32 AM
Look Guys
First Fred isn’t in the race yet, second, if he enters the race he will win in a walk because he:
A: doesent have an explosive family past
B: Has an extensive senate voting record
C: Is a Likeable person
D: Is very anti politics
E: Doesn’t belong to a religion that 90% cannot identify with (thats not a slam at but a fact of)
F: Hates Taxes and spending
So before you flame up - remember Romney’s going to lose on the non-mormon issues first
EricPWJohnson on August 19, 2007 at 1:33 AM
I hate to break it to you, but that is exactly WHY they’re flaming in the first place.
It does no good to apologize about Mormonism; any more than it would help to apologize about Thompson’s “fake” pickup and “elitist” footware - or any of the other Daily Kos bullet points. Believe it or not, all of those “issues” are even more irrelevant than they appear to be.
Nobody could possibly be as stupid as they are acting. OF COURSE they aren’t really mad at Fred Thompson for going through the exact same BCRA Exploratory phase that all of the other candidates went through.
All the other candidates were terrified of “losing momentum” to Hillary Clinton by not joining her in jumping the gun on the campaign trail. Now Fred Thompson comes along - at the perfectly normal time and without wasting a penny in idiotic “pre-primary primary” campaigning - and he’s walking into a to-contender position.
The reason they’ve lost their marbles is because Thompson made them all look like fools for wasting so incredibly much time and money.
So, trust me, the reason they hate Fred Thompson more than life itself is not because he happened to make one of them look like a Mormon fool. Even the craziest moonbats know that part wasn’t Fred’s fault.
logis on August 19, 2007 at 2:35 AM
EricPWJohnson on August 19, 2007 at 1:33 AM (but, of course, anyone may comment)
I think you have hit on a bunch of good points about Fred but I’m not sure he’ll win “in a walk” or that Romney has an “issue” problem.
Romney is darned smart and a darned good speaker and did well in an interview with Michelle. I like the fact that he is mixing it up with Giuliani over the sanctuary city thing. I’m waiting to see the upcoming polls but I think that left a mark on Rudy’s numbers.
I feel sure that Fred will be in the race and I’m waiting to listen intently to what he has to say once he doesn’t have to be coy about it. I’m hoping that he comes out swinging and nails down his position on the important issues and answers some of the questions I have.
So where am I right now. I’m probably more optimistic than yesterday about the choices available to me in this election. I’m still hoping that Fred will be the candidate I think he is but I did see something in Mitt Romney that struck a chord. Prior to his MM interview I was hoping for Fred and despairing about the other top runners.
Thanks EricPWJohnson, for your post. I was sitting here wondering if HA was ever going to get to have another serious political thread without it getting destroyed and ruined. Even a lightweight like me enjoys civil political debate and opinions.
Buzzy on August 19, 2007 at 2:51 AM
Hey, you know what’s funny? Reagan was running a little over 20 years ago.
Fred Thompson’s positions and announcing time are also from 20 years ago.
He’s old, tired, outdated, and lazy, and he hasn’t even entered yet.
Fred?’s biggest mistake was that he was saying “I might possibly be getting in maybe” for the last few months. If he had just made the damned announcement without yanking our chains a dozen times, we might actually respect him. But he didn’t. He’s a filthy former lobbyist, unremarkable Senator who most famous move was a CFR gaffe, with zero leadership experience, zero rallying for conservative causes, and to top it all off a 3.4 million cash-funnel for his son. He’s a dirty, amoral Hollyweird snake trying to pass for a conservative, and most of us see right through it. Fred is not and never will be a DA. He’ll always be a great pretender, and now he’s auditioning for the role of President. The difference between Fred Thompson and George Clooney is that Clooney isn’t planning to run for President. Both of them think if they show up in a pick-up truck and flannel that middle America will be too stupid to see through them.
Fredheads, for whatever reason, don’t see through Fred’s finely tuned facade. He’s a lobbyist, a Hollyweird stooge, and an irrelevant Senator who brought us McCain-Feingold. Those are just his last 3 jobs. Never mind the pro-amnesty and pro-jihad shills he’s hired, or his cash-funnel to his son.
BKennedy on August 19, 2007 at 3:07 AM
Romneys a flavor of the hour come on lets be realistic
Reasons why Huckabee, Romney and Guiliani are mostly left alone in the media or praised as being electable are:
1. The MSM is pro democratic
2. Romney is Bob Dole lite
3. Huckabee is Romney Lite
4. Guiliani’s public life is a train wreck
5. none of these guys could win against any fool the
dems will put up
6. With Fred, they can’t find (and they desperately tried) anything with any depth just the thinnest of superficiality that actually will swing more support hsi way
7. People actually BELIEVE Fred BELIEVES what he says
8. Everyone else on both sides of the ticket cannot say that
9. Thats a huge, huge factor
EricPWJohnson on August 19, 2007 at 3:19 AM
Buzzy
Please also take into account that - its not the person that’s electable its the persona
Romney, Huckabee, Guiliani are fine fine human beings who are a credit to this country and so is Tommy Thompson its just a question of electability pure and simple
Then the governing begins
These IMO are two different animals
EricPWJohnson on August 19, 2007 at 3:23 AM
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