Underwhelming clairvoyant moment of the day
posted at 9:23 am on August 17, 2007 by Allahpundit
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The big A, writing last Friday about Rudy’s “I was a Ground Zero worker too” claim:
[H]e was down there a lot, of which it can’t hurt to remind people — but I suspect it won’t be hard for the Times or whoever to go through his old schedules and compare the time he spent there to people who were on the pile for 12 hours at a time. You can almost see the news graphic bar chart: “Among the Ruins: How Rudy Stacks Up.”
The Times this morning:
A complete record of Mr. Giuliani’s exposure to the site is not available for the chaotic six days after the attack, when he was a frequent visitor. But an exhaustively detailed account from his mayoral archive, revised after the events to account for last-minute changes on scheduled stops, does exist for the period of Sept. 17 to Dec. 16, 2001. It shows he was there for a total of 29 hours in those three months, often for short periods or to visit locations adjacent to the rubble. In that same period, many rescue and recovery workers put in daily 12-hour shifts…
A sample by Mount Sinai Medical Center of 1,138 participants in its study of health problems among rescue, recovery and debris removal workers found that they had spent a median of 962 hours at the World Trade Center site, or the equivalent of about 120 eight-hour days.
The days after the attack for which no detailed records exist were when the dust from smoldering rubble was its thickest, and were also the most dangerous for exposure.
And the bar chart?
Note the aside at the end of the blockquote about how he was (presumably) down there a lot in the first few days when conditions were most dangerous. That’s there ostensibly to give credence to his claim that he bore the same risks the workers did but DPUD made a nice catch yesterday about how the narrative here is evolving since Rudy moved to defuse the situation. It’s not that he spent too little time at Ground Zero; it’s that he spent too much.
For my next fait-accompli prediction, I see yet another weak hit piece on Fred “proving” that he’s not really pro-life. Click.
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What a stupid argument.
This shows you just how silly this long political season is becoming.
We’re debating this?
jake-the-goose on August 17, 2007 at 9:30 AM
You da man, AP.
aero on August 17, 2007 at 9:37 AM
Allah doing the work of the liberals. C’mon man, why even publicize this crap. Noone reads the Times any more anyway.
Unless, of course, this story is to point how how the Times does hit pieces.
That being said, my roomate probably spent more time than any emergency worker at ground zero. He was on body bagging duty for the FDNY for 60 days in a row, and then transferred to another position. During that time, I can recall seeing the Mayor down there on more than one occasion. Anecdotally, I saw him on NY1 constantly down there, too.
Whatever… the libs are scared to death that Giuliani can unite this country, and make everyone a little happier than they are now.
Vincenzo on August 17, 2007 at 9:37 AM
I don’t mind that this is being posted. Our Republican candidates need to be ready for everything, and the kitchen sink, being thrown at them. The media is going to pull out all the stops to destroy our candidates, so he needs to be ready to walk through the fire, and fight them at every turn. No time to coddle these guys, as the left and the media sure won’t.
Rudy can take it, as he has faced the NYTs for years.
We can’t have a wimp running scared of the media.
Stormy70 on August 17, 2007 at 9:46 AM
He did have a city to run besides and much of what needed doing probably required he be in other places to handle it. Don’t know why it’s necessary to denigrate the way he handled 9/11, and count hours, minutes and seconds actually standing on the scene is kind of petty.Current issues should be our priority and how he feels about them.
jeanie on August 17, 2007 at 9:48 AM
Republican politicians are infrequently conservative. Most politicians are loosely principled. They choose one of the two teams so they can play ball– doesn’t really matter which. Except in NYC where you can choose both teams, or change teams at will.
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2007 at 9:51 AM
Pretty cool AP, looks like you do have some influence in some circles. How about that? You should send the Times a bill for your story idea:).
I guess the bottom line is you never know who’s reading this stuff. I always assume very few people read this stuff. Unlike Kos who thinks everyone reads his stuff.
ThackerAgency on August 17, 2007 at 9:58 AM
Ditto. But I live in NY so I’m always a party of one.
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2007 at 10:00 AM
I’m taking it that they forgot to check in with the Clintons before running this.
- The Cat
P.S. This is like Ford/Chevy running a piece saying that Toyota really isn’t the fuel efficient. Teh backfire.
MirCat on August 17, 2007 at 10:04 AM
Where’s the bar chart on Hillary’s
photo opsvisits to Ground Zero?Dork B. on August 17, 2007 at 10:05 AM
Excuse me?? She was very likely busy on a listening tour upstate.
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2007 at 10:08 AM
All of those statistics about work schedules and air quality are really interesting. Rudy has a good chance of winning the science club alumni voting block.
Meanwhile Hillary is courting the idgit vote. Hmmmm?
TunaTalon on August 17, 2007 at 10:09 AM
hahahaha.
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Nice, AP. Though by this point, the NYT is so muddled, they probably are reading this site confusing their AP feed with the HA AP feed.
Spirit of 1776 on August 17, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Whoever the nominee is, the MSM will do anything they legally can, and most likely illegally too, to cut his political throat. I hope our side doesn’t get too bogged down in the flaws each man has, because we’re going to need much more unity this time than was exibited last November.
Each and every MSM accusation or insinuation about our guys, any of them, I’m assuming to be false until proven true. And even then, I’ll question the timing.
Halley on August 17, 2007 at 10:19 AM
I can’ have the knee jerk “damn liberal NYT dose yet another hit piece on a Republican” reaction to this one. Giuliani said what he said and NYT is responding to it; albeit in an over-the-top way with their stupid little graph and all.
But I do agree that he can ride this one out. If he’d watch his tongue.
WhoKnew on August 17, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Can the AP get the ACLU to sue AP for name infringement?
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2007 at 10:20 AM
Amen.
This has gotten beyond ridiculous. No wonder so many people don’t pay attention to politics. And what does it say about those of us who do?
thirteen28 on August 17, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Giuliani’s fought the NYT before. Did it all throughout his time in office.
Where’s the NYT hit piece on Obama for claiming there’s a President of Canada? For the logistical concerns of bombing Pakistan?
No. Let’s concentrate on the number of hours Giuliani spent down at Ground Zero, when his camp issued a correction shortly after the remarks.
amerpundit on August 17, 2007 at 10:25 AM
Though 29 hours is clearly not as much as the rescue workers were there, as Rudy erroneously stated, it is nevertheless clearly far more than obligatory photo-op time would be. I see it as proving that he spent as much time there as he possibly could, and that’s how he remembers it. It would have seemed to him that he spent every spare moment at the WTC site–because he did. And he obviously really was exposed to a great deal of the harmful stuff in the air as a result. Again, not nearly as much as rescue and recovery workers, but pretty significant for the privileged mayor of the city. Plus, I’ll bet he was there even more during those first six days that are unaccounted for in the NYT’s tally. That would have been the most important time for him to be with the rescuers, and the most dangerous. It’s more than a bit unfair to make a summary that leaves those days out. I understand that they didn’t have the data, but they shouldn’t publish the rest without it–it renders the analysis mostly meaningless. Rudy already acknowledged his misstatement. This is just overkill on the NYT’s part.
aero on August 17, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Same thing with Fred. Let’s concentrate on his wife’s age – not his policies.
amerpundit on August 17, 2007 at 10:26 AM
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2007 at 10:27 AM
The guys shoulda had to show their manboobs at the gaydebate. fair is fair
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2007 at 10:29 AM
That’s not fair, that’s . . umm provoking.
Anyway, it’s all kinda like watching a bad season of The Apprentice.
Hmmm actually that would be kinda nifty. You don’t vote em in. You, one by one, vote them out.
- The Cat
P.S. You got us into a war with China. You’re fired! OR You let San Francisco get nuked . . . find out next week if anyone cares.
MirCat on August 17, 2007 at 10:45 AM
That we have a lot of time on our hands.
aengus on August 17, 2007 at 10:49 AM
Everyone else has abandoned the thread so I’ll take a stab:
F’IN GREAT IDEA!!!!!!! Would work really well.
Like for two weeks around Christmas time, at the White House. Send Bush to Crawford, get Julie Chen to make sure they don’t break the WH China or like look around in desk drawers or answer the hotline or anything.
Guaranteed to have weeded out Carter. He’s so STINGY with condiments and toothpaste and stuff. Picky picky.
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2007 at 10:55 AM
Nice catch.
In fairness 29 hours spent any one place is a lot for a Mayor.
The ability to lead for myself is not in question for Rudy the problem I have is in Rudy the ideologue.
Don’t tell me you’re going to end illegal migration and at the same say you’re going to give citizenship to lawbreakers already here.
I’ve already had pee in the fan treatment and I’m not going for it again.
Speakup on August 17, 2007 at 11:29 AM
I liked the linked article by Jake Tapper at ABC. It shows Fred is right-thinking about abortion, but not dogmatic. It also shows he will do the right things for the right reasons. The article also demonstrates that pro-life groups are reasonable about the issue, not demanding an ideologue but only requiring a candidate that will do the right thing.
I think the issues mentioned in that ABC piece are exactly the sort of thing that will make Fred attractive to the wider electorate. Tapper may have intended to cast a negative light on Fred, but I came away feeling better about Fred and better about the pro-life groups.
jaime on August 17, 2007 at 1:45 PM
I think Allah is doing everyone a service by exposing his hypocrisy.
Giuliani is not a conservative and the thin veneer of his Security Expertise that his campaign has been pushing is slowly falling away.
Some of you need to do your homework on Rudy and find out just what kind of guy you are thinking of electing to the President of the United States.
He just appointed Robert Bonner as his Chief Homeland Security Advisor on Immigration. When he was CBP under George W Bush, he stopped the very successful inland sweeps for Illegal Immigrants in southern California. (aprrox 200 a day were apprehended)He stopped just about every enforcement activity of the Border Patrol.
“Recently, CBP Commissioner Bonner’s boss, the DHS’s second in command on immigration, Under Secretary for Border & Transportation Security Asa Hutchinson, had to step in because the CBP’s Border Patrol was doing too good a job at immigration enforcement in Southern California”
Since he stepped down from Mayor he has been working on the NAFTA Superhighway blazing the way for the North American Union.He is a Globalist and a proud member of the CFR
Diane M. Grassi has written an excellent article about Rudy and his involvement with the NAFTA Superhighway.
“Most interesting to the whole story is not only has Mr. Giuliani’s involvement in the NAFTA Superhighway not ever having been publicly addressed, but how a foreign company is awarded the building of a mass highway system, versus maintaining it, for the first time in U.S. history, and negotiated by the law firm of the top Republican candidate running for President of the United States. And truly disturbing is how such will not only have national and homeland security and sovereignty implications but how it is deliberately being kept away from the Halls of Congress.”
“Giuliani fancies himself as an expert on homeland security issues and a law enforcer. And he has amassed quite the portfolio since 2002, earning $20 million in that year alone, by selling himself as such. He owns Giuliani Partners, Giuliani Safety & Security and Giuliani Capital Advisors. In March 2007 he sold Giuliani Capital Advisors, a former Ernst & Young finance company he purchased in 2002, to Macquerie Infrastructure Consortium. Not coincidentally, it is a partner of Cintra’s in its shared operations of toll roads in both Indiana and Chicago, IL.”
“Particularly unnerving, given Guiliani’s personal experience on 9-11, is his defense of open borders at any cost while condoning the NAFTA Superhighway Corridor and by extension the North American Union, without the purview or consent of the U.S. Congress or the will of the American people.”
“We should have seen it coming when Giuliani enacted Special Order 40 in 1994, during his tenure as Mayor of New York City, in ordering law enforcement officers to no longer check the legal status of suspects caught violating the law. We should have seen it coming when Rudolph Giuliani single-handedly decided that illegal aliens were not lawbreakers and also quit upholding the law. And unfortunately we now do see it coming. But sadly, he may now actually be handed the opportunity to no longer defend and abide by the U.S. Constitution of the United States of America.”
ScottyDog on August 17, 2007 at 3:29 PM
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