Breaking: Padilla verdict expected at 2 p.m.; Update: Guilty on all counts; Update: Who hates America more, the New York Times or me?

posted at 12:52 pm on August 16, 2007 by Allahpundit

Three-month trial, “hundreds” of wiretapped conversations to sift through, and yet they’ve reached a decision after fully one day of deliberations. Anyone think they’re going to convict?

Anyone?

[P]rosecutors didn’t present any direct evidence, such as an eyewitness, to prove Padilla actually attended al Qaeda’s training camp in Afghanistan. So, they called a convicted terrorist to testify that he filled out the same Mujahedin application and completed the terror group’s training camp — one year after Padilla allegedly committed the same crime.

Although Padilla’s Mujahedin form itself appears to be solid, the overall case against him is riddled with circumstantial evidence. In other words, there’s no proverbial smoking gun.

He’s accused of conspiracy to commit murder abroad, a.k.a. jihad, and two lesser charges of providing material support for terrorism. I haven’t followed it but it sounds like the case against him hinges on whether his relationship with two AQ recruiters plus the mujahedeen application form(!) he filled out adds up to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he intended to kill. There’s no dirty bomb charge, even though that’s what he’s famous for.

In theory, even if he’s acquitted Bush could send him back to military prison by designating him an enemy combatant, but Bush already has enough of a stench about him for doing things extrajudicially that he’s not going to disregard a jury verdict. Besides, what would be the point of putting him on trial if you’re only going to send him back to the brig?

Stand by for verdict. Exit question one: Assuming he’s acquitted, which celebrity “journalist” lands the coveted “what would you like to say to the president” Padilla interview? And exit question two: Will Sully be able to watch it through the tears?

Update: MM has a copy of Padilla’s “application form.” Why AQ would want to leave a paper trial is beyond me, but the Herald says it looks pretty solid.

Update (bp): One of the key points against Padilla all along is that he was fingered by captured al Qaeda big Abu Zubaydah, and turned up in Chicago where Zubaydah said he would on his mission to dirty bomb and blow up Chicago area apartment buildings. That’s circumstantial, but surely damning. If Padilla is innocent, how did Abu Z know where he’d be and when he’d be there?

Sullivan will surely cry that Zubaydah in all likelihood gave up Padilla after being water-boarded. I don’t consider water-boarding torture, and don’t care at all about the health and welfare of an animal like Abu Zubaydah. His head was full of al Qaeda facts, and we needed access to those facts in order to save lives. I see it as the closest thing we’ll get in the real world to the true ticking time-bomb scenario. You had a captured terrorist aggressively interrogated to give up the name and location of another, who was (allegedly) on a terrorist mission at that very moment. No water-boarding of the capture terrorist, and you don’t stop the terrorist who’s still in the field, and innocent people die.

Update: Heart-ache in nutrootsland — they got him on all three counts. Big win for Bush. A win too for Bush critics, in a sense: this will “prove” that the administration doesn’t need military tribunals to convict jihadis.

The AP salvages defeat from victory:

The charges brought in civilian court in Miami, however, were a pale shadow of those initial [dirty bomb] claims in part because Padilla, 36, was interrogated about the plot when he was held as an enemy combatant for 3 1/2 years in military custody with no lawyer present and was not read his Miranda rights.

Do they know he’s looking at an almost certain life sentence?

Update: Like the Herald said, that form was pretty solid:

The key piece of physical evidence was a five-page form Padilla supposedly filled out in July 2000 to attend an Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, which would link the other two defendants as well to Usama bin Laden’s terrorist organization.

The form, recovered by the CIA in 2001 in Afghanistan, contains seven of Padilla’s fingerprints and several other personal identifiers, such as his birthdate and his ability to speak Spanish, English and Arabic.

“It was a relief operation,” said one of his co-defendants’ lawyers.

Update: A grumpy Salon reminds us that they didn’t prove jack about dirty bombs, just that he conspired to kill people for Al Qaeda. Keep moving those goalposts, wingnuts.

Update: HuffPo’s got a thread up now and the comments are piling up. My favorite thus far, from a Gutfeldesque subversive:

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It’s really a hell of a slow news day otherwise so I’m wondering what this verdict was meant to “distract” us from. Well, stick with HuffPo. We’ll find out soon enough.

Update: Your quote of the day:

After the decision was announced, Padilla’s mother, Estella Lebron, told CNN her son will appeal the verdict.

“I’m not surprised by anything in this place anymore,” she said. “This is a Republican city.”

Update: Another HuffPo subversive — or just a liberal who takes her own rhetoric seriously? — floats this humble suggestion to her disappointed nutroots cohorts:

forgive me…but dont we want to fight terorists and terrorism using law enforement–and not the military?

Update (bp): A blast from the past. Yeah, I’m the guy who started the Padilla/OKC John Doe #2 speculation when Padilla was first arrested. My old blog is on a new server since then and the original comparison image I did back then got lost in the transfer, but this post is where it all started.

And we never could rule Padilla out of (or in) the OKC bombing. I don’t think he was involved in that, but not being able to definitively rule him out by placing him in prison or some place else at any key moment of the OKC timeline has always bugged me.

Update: Ace mitigates the hatred of America he’s demonstrated by taking joy in the conviction of a terrorist with a conciliatory gesture.

Update (bp): Oh, the humanity! We truly lost our soul upon Zubaydah’s capture.

Update: Who hates America and/or our freedoms more? He who calls this a “big win for Bush”? Or she who calls it “a major victory for the Bush administration”?


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Unless I miss my guess, he’d have to have damned good grounds to even get cert from the Supremes. While he has the right to file an appeal, he doesn’t have the right to have it heard.

Anyone care to offer grounds on which he might appeal?

Pablo on August 16, 2007 at 3:31 PM

Maybe Obama will make it a campaign promise to release Padilla if elected.

BelchSpeak on August 16, 2007 at 3:32 PM

The sentence: 6,000 X-rays.

One a day until they find the disease.

And, if they don’t, then hang him.

profitsbeard on August 16, 2007 at 3:34 PM

The Day of Rage begins

Oh frak is that today?? I totally missed it! Nerts!

Dash on August 16, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Padilla: Prisoner of Conscience, America’s Mandela, the Muslim Solzhenitsyn, victim of the vast neocon Gulag, silenced in the Islamophobic Siberia of the US prisonplanet.
Thomas the Wraith on August 16, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Do you work in the MSNBC newsroom?

eeyore on August 16, 2007 at 3:38 PM

Maybe Obama will make it a campaign promise to release Padilla if elected.

I’d bet that the Edwards campaign HQ is discussing right now how to promise to pardon Padilla without actually coming out and saying it.

rw on August 16, 2007 at 3:41 PM

FREE THE PADILLA 1!

(Bad slogan, but moonbats can’t be choosers.)

profitsbeard on August 16, 2007 at 3:44 PM

eeyore –

If I was a total SOB I would copyright a whole line of Free Padilla t-shirts and make a handsome profit off the useful idiots. But I’m a bit lazy and not nearly that cynical.

Thomas the Wraith on August 16, 2007 at 3:48 PM

The Day of Rage begins

Oh frak is that today?? I totally missed it! Nerts!

Dash on August 16, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Thanks for the belly laugh. Hey, maybe you could entertain the troops, err, combatants at Gitmo with a little infidel humor!

Buy Danish on August 16, 2007 at 3:51 PM

I think what jdawg was referring to is how you and Nonfactor would handle National Security.

infidel4life on August 16, 2007 at 2:53 PM

Thank you, that was my point EXACTLY!

jdawg on August 16, 2007 at 3:59 PM

OK now that its clear that members of the Dem base are distraught about this verdict, how are the Dem candidates going to play this? Predictions? Here are mine:

Clinton: She will say that justice has been served. She will say this is a win for America in the war on terror. She will say that this is evidence that the Bush admins policy of torture and locking up prisoners without trial is counterproductive because the legal system works. She is already running a general election campaign.

Obama: He’ll say he has no idea what he’s talking about because he has no experience in these matters. But we should stop bombing random families in Afghanistan. We should start bombing Pakistan.

Edwards: Wipeing away a tear, he will profess to fight every hour of every day until that young man gets free taxpayer funded schooling in the tribal regions of Afghanistan. He will question the timing, insist that the jurors were waterboarded into their verdict, comb his hair, call Bush Hitler and kiss one of the Kos kids. As he walks away he will remind everyone that the WOT is just a bumper sticker slogan and Padilla was simply put on trial for something made up by the Bush administration.

Zetterson on August 16, 2007 at 4:12 PM

Zetterson on August 16, 2007 at 4:12 PM

That was rich. Not too far off the mark, tho. The Koz Kidz are simply beside themselves right now. I couldn’t be happier.

Liberals: the enemy within.

jdawg on August 16, 2007 at 4:22 PM

Zetterson

Well said but do not forget the other dems who will want stand in a circle and sing kumbaya with padilla!

robo on August 16, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Oh how could I forget. I’m sure Gravel is going to paint his naked body green, roll a boulder into a lake, smack himself in the face with a frying pan, mumble something about how his favorite NFL team would go undefeated if they were all homosexuals and then he would forget about what it was that motivated him to do those things.

You can take that one to the bank.

Zetterson on August 16, 2007 at 4:36 PM

Victory is sweet.

I wonder how many Spanish, Arabic speakers there are out there? Is it easier than English or just a prerequisite to reconquista?

Hening on August 16, 2007 at 4:43 PM

Weight of Glory…Are you a CS Lewis fan?

samuelrylander on August 16, 2007 at 2:52 PM

Why, Yes. Pretty big fan at that.

Weight of Glory on August 16, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Episode 437, wherein commenter Jaibones further exposes himself to be more naive about the left than anyone at HotAir could ever have imagined:

Wait, you mean that the guilty verdicts are somehow bad news for the freaks at Dkos, DU and HuffPo? WTF? How did you guys know this was going to be their reaction?

I’m serious…I did not know this.

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 4:53 PM

Zetterson on August 16, 2007 at 4:36 PM

LOL!!!

You owe me a keyboard!

jdawg on August 16, 2007 at 4:54 PM

If Cheney is one-tenth the man that the left thinks he is, he will Haloscan every comment on all three of those sites, use the illegal wire tapping program to find the address of every computer, and send jack-booted thugs from ATF to find the owners and any poor fool with the misfortune to witness their abduction, and have them all hanged or shot in a manner reminiscent of Jenjis Khan and Che Guevara (irony meter pegged).

He will then install the Pope as the new Maximum Leader of the Christianist American Theocratic/Military Junta, based in Richmond, and withdraw Federal funding for roads to all sanctuary cities.

Muwwahahahaha

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Were you planning on ever explaining anything here, or was that just your cheer for a convicted terrorists.

Esthier on August 16, 2007 at 3:29 PM

It’s pretty self explanitory. If someone told me “Padilla was found guilty,” I’d simply respond “looks like he has an easy appeal.”

Nonfactor on August 16, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 4:59 PM

You forgot the deportation of all aetheists, liberals and hippies to Iran.

jdawg on August 16, 2007 at 5:00 PM

*explanatory

Nonfactor on August 16, 2007 at 5:01 PM

(There is still an ATF, isn’t there?)

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Yes! Guilty! That makes my day!

I’m a little surprised at the reactions of the left, they just seem to get more and more blatant about their support of our enemies. I wonder if in the near future we’ll start hearing stories of liberal loony Americans committing terrorist acts on their own…!

4shoes on August 16, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Kill this SOB

JWS on August 16, 2007 at 5:06 PM

It’s pretty self explanitory. If someone told me “Padilla was found guilty,” I’d simply respond “looks like he has an easy appeal.”

Nonfactor on August 16, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Which is generally followed by “on the grounds that…”

Wait, you mean that the guilty verdicts are somehow bad news for the freaks at Dkos, DU and HuffPo? WTF? How did you guys know this was going to be their reaction?

I’m serious…I did not know this.

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 4:53 PM

That’s called optimism, a belief that we’re not as broken apart as their reaction implies.

Esthier on August 16, 2007 at 5:07 PM

See the problem is that we assume that the left and Islam want the same things. That isnt true the left does hate the jihadists

just they hate the right more. They’d rather fight against us than against the Jihadists

And that is truely where they are disfuncitonal. They dont want the Jihadists to win. They just want themselves to win.

And in that rare glimpse we see how Jihadists and Lefties are alike. They are both programmed to fall in line with the ideologies rather than have critical thoughts of what they stand for.

They want to be enemies of America but America doesnt fit their idelogical veiw of the world. So America is “broken” because it doesnt folow their jackboot veiw of the world.

Can see this clearly in someone like Noam Choamski. He hates america because we dont fall for his ideological purtanical veiw. America is in the grips of an “Evil” onspiracy because we dont cowtow to his ideological beliefs.

TThey live, eat and breathe conspiracies because they dont have the mental capacity to question their own indoctrination. They dont win elections because thier insane bable is easily seen to be as crazy as they are.

They feed off of hate and that hate is aimed at those that dare to oppose their totalitarian veiw of the world

William Amos on August 16, 2007 at 5:29 PM

It’s pretty self explanitory. If someone told me “Padilla was found guilty,” I’d simply respond “looks like he has an easy appeal.”

“Not because of any particular legal reason, mind you. Just because I like to cheer for my team.”

Pablo on August 16, 2007 at 5:36 PM

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 4:59 PM

LOL, if that was a video game I would buy it.

infidel4life on August 16, 2007 at 5:40 PM

Pablo on August 16, 2007 at 5:36 PM

“Bing, again! You are sharp as a tack today.”

Ned … Ryerson

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 5:45 PM

Update: Who hates America and/or our freedoms more? He who calls this a “big win for Bush”? Or she who calls it “a major victory for the Bush administration”?

Again more proof that hate the right more than they love america

William Amos on August 16, 2007 at 5:48 PM

William Amos on August 16, 2007 at 5:48 PM

Yet more proof that liberals are the enemy within.

jdawg on August 16, 2007 at 5:56 PM

Which is generally followed by “on the grounds that…”

Esthier on August 16, 2007 at 5:07 PM

You see in polite conversation people ask “why?” They don’t stick their finger up their ass and act like someone else put it there.

Nonfactor on August 16, 2007 at 5:58 PM

Nonfactor on August 16, 2007 at 5:58 PM

Nonfactor, you must be a tough woman to be around often. How do I know you are a woman? Oh, just a guess.

In polite conversation when someone is obviously trying to ask a you a question, its polite, regardless to the snarkyness of the question, to give an answer.

Zetterson on August 16, 2007 at 6:28 PM

You see in polite conversation people ask “why?” They don’t stick their finger up their ass and act like someone else put it there.

Nonfactor on August 16, 2007 at 5:58 PM

If it wasn’t obvious to you that I was doing exactly that, only using different words, then there’s very little I can talk about with you.

In fact, that’s what my initial question, asking you to explain yourself, was all about.

Esthier on August 16, 2007 at 6:33 PM

Zetterson

Well said but do not forget the other dems who will want stand in a circle and sing kumbaya with padilla!

robo on August 16, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Heck, they’ll probably make him name a street after him just like they did in the Paris suburb of St. Denis for convicted cop killer, Mumia Abu Jumal.

Buy Danish on August 16, 2007 at 6:58 PM

Maybe Obama will make it a campaign promise to release Padilla if elected.

BelchSpeak on August 16, 2007 at 3:32 PM

That is too good. Before he invades Pakistan or after? I hope people start asking him at town meetings.

This kangaroo court has distracted from the higher goal of taking out Libby who has put our nation in mortal danger of more ugly magazine covers by outing Valerie P. and her Tea-Sipping hubby the Hapless Uranium Hunter. Without those two in the CIA offices who is left to push paper and collect checks?

“An agency without political operatives is an agency doomed to perform according to the letter of the law” – from the Deconstruction of Civil Government Handbook by P.C. Odious

entagor on August 16, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Nonfactor, you must be a tough woman to be around often. How do I know you are a woman? Oh, just a guess.

In polite conversation when someone is obviously trying to ask a you a question, its polite, regardless to the snarkyness of the question, to give an answer.

Zetterson on August 16, 2007 at 6:28 PM

If getting PO’d about a snarky question is a distaff trait, then nearly every commenter on HA must be a woman. Including AP.

baldilocks on August 16, 2007 at 7:47 PM

Just remember…… our ancestors left Europe because they didn’t want to be like Europe…. so let the libs and dems wish for Europausa( copyright, trademark, and what ever else) They stand in contraposition to what our founding fathers wanted. ooooh didn’t know that? So, the guilty verdict IS a victory…… in your face Democruds. The appeals mean little or nothing because I’m sure the prosecution has documented everything very well to avert any overturn. Must make the media’s skin crawl that evidence was given secretly. I do include blogs like HA.

MNDavenotPC on August 16, 2007 at 7:50 PM

I think he’s a she AP

Kini on August 16, 2007 at 7:56 PM

[quote]And may I say again I am stunned so many people who consider themselves to be patriotic Americans are so cheerful about flushing American values down the toilet. Y’all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Comments are now closed.

Comment by maha — August 16, 2007 @ 4:49 pm [/quote]

I guess that’s an example of a Kos “Open Forum”.

MadisonConservative on August 16, 2007 at 9:05 PM

It’s really a hell of a slow news day otherwise so I’m wondering what this verdict was meant to “distract” us from. Well, stick with HuffPo. We’ll find out soon enough.

Clearly just a distraction from the big bombing in Iraq the other day, and Rove’s resignation. This is Rove’s shadow government at work, which he is now running full time! Muahahahaha….

RightWinged on August 16, 2007 at 9:30 PM

Mahablog links to this post twice and still hasn’t figured out that Allahpundit isn’t the only blogger here. And hasn’t sorted out who wrote which comment, even though I signed one that Maha quoted with my initials.

And who’s calling who an idiot?

Bryan on August 16, 2007 at 9:55 PM

That “Why do you hate America so much?” line is just so freaking annoying and juvenile. I hear it all the time at Mike Luckovich’s blog (where I learned everything I need to know about Moonbats) and it’s usually followed by “You’re not a patriot, neener, neener”.

Like this classic example today, which is part of a long, sanctimonious screed about how we are trying to take away individual rights:

You and the rest of the neocons are Un-American. You despise real freedom while touting psedo-patriotism for invading other land in the name of greed!

http://www.ajc.com/tent/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2007/08/15/signals.html#comment-1480694

Buy Danish on August 16, 2007 at 10:13 PM

That link is broken. Here is the whole post, which I’m citing in full because it so concisely sums up the Loony Left mindset:

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika’ Century~!

August 16, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

-=-

Yes Dusty —

I am afraid —

Not afraid of terrorist —

Not afraid of other countries attacking us.

But I am afraid of people like you that would sell out this country and it’s freedoms and rights while gaining nothing for the cost!

You who would destroy and desecrate the very thing that our founding fathers and true patriots fought for. Freedom and INDIVIDUAL rights.

You who would have “Government by the Government”, (or corporation and lobbyist), instead of Government by the People for the People.

Does it rankle you that the “United States Constitution” and “Bill of Rights” says that that drunk bum panhandling in the street has the same rights and authority that you have to vote and live free of government interference in his life?

I’m sure you would be happy to sell out all of the constitutional rights so that you could sit in your ivory tower above everyone you can and be a mini dictator of who gets rights and who doesn’t in this country. You must believe that the constitutional rights only the priveledged few and not all americans.

You and the rest of the neocons are Un-American. You despise real freedom while touting psedo-patriotism for invading other land in the name of greed!

Thomas

Maha has some serious competition in the overwrought writing department.

Buy Danish on August 16, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Who hates America and/or our freedoms more? He who calls this a “big win for Bush”? Or she who calls it “a major victory for the Bush administration”?

Allah

Hater.

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 10:39 PM

Who hates America and/or our freedoms more? He who calls this a “big win for Bush”? Or she who calls it “a major victory for the Bush administration”?

Allah Bryan

Hater.

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 10:39 PM

Uh oh…

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 10:40 PM

So — and this is On-Topic, babies — Obama has been a little erratic in the Global War on Terror the last couple of weeks, to say the least. Where does the smart money fall on Padilla? Does Obama come out and promise to release him, pardon him, and buy him a nice vacation home in Petoskey? Or does he promise — when elected President — that he’ll burn Padilla alive, slowly, at the WTC Memorial?

Place your bets, brothers.

Jaibones on August 16, 2007 at 10:44 PM

In fact, that’s what my initial question, asking you to explain yourself, was all about.

Esthier on August 16, 2007 at 6:33 PM

“just your cheer for a convicted terrorists.”

Nonfactor on August 16, 2007 at 11:16 PM

I love lefty logic.

Only America allows people to be so stupid that they can link “terrorist gets convicted on charges of terrorism” with “MICHELLE MALKIN AND ALLAHPUNDIT HATE AMERICA!”

These people make me sick.

Who was it around here who talks about the New Direction Democrats? DfDeportation IIRC. Sounds like another example.

After all, why think when you can groupemote.

BKennedy on August 17, 2007 at 12:23 AM

BTW I thought liberals were all for convicting and imprisioning Jihadist rather than fighting a war with them

Now you dont even want them in prison ?

Just who’s side are you on ?

William Amos on August 16, 2007 at 2:32 PM
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Al Qaeda’s

georgej on August 17, 2007 at 12:54 AM

Weight of Glory on August 16, 2007 at 2:41 PM

You’re under the mistaken impression that liberals WANT America to win the war against Islamofascism. They don’t. Because if we do, that means that Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld were right and that they were wrong.

They would rather that each America die first.

georgej on August 17, 2007 at 1:01 AM

MM is THE hardcore US patriot. I love her so, even tho she knows not who I am.

Go Michelle! love you! Keep it up!

====

AZCON on August 17, 2007 at 1:02 AM

See, the left does support the troops. Too bad it’s not our troops.

Buzzy on August 17, 2007 at 1:19 AM

Padilla rhymes with ladilla

“Ladilla” in Spanish is the household name for the pubic lice

Ropera on August 17, 2007 at 5:27 AM

Why are so many liberals sympathetic to terrorists? Keith Olbermann, Rosie O’Donnell, John Mellancamp, Daily Kos, The New York Times. A terrorist is caught, tried, and convicted. And these guys act as if their dog had just died.

SoulGlo on August 17, 2007 at 6:22 AM

And these guys act as if their dog had just died.

SoulGlo on August 17, 2007 at 6:22 AM

Perfect analogy. They root for the underdog dontcha know.

Buy Danish on August 17, 2007 at 6:54 AM

What an idiot nonfactor/mahablog/babs is. In response to this:

Your comments are nothing but name calling. I don’t delete your posts because I disagree with your arguments; I delete them because you don’t argue at all. You just hurl insults.

I pointed out that her entire post was nothing but insults to people who disagreed with her, therefore,she was neck deep in hypocrisy, and as a response to the mildest rebuke, she banned the poster. Now, my comment has been deleted and comments are again closed.

Way to go, Babs! lol

Blake on August 17, 2007 at 10:40 AM

Hahaha! Now nonfactor/maha/babs has added this:

Update: Yes, I hurl insults, too, but I give reasons for the insults. What are they, you ask? Why don’t you (dare I say it?) actually read the bleeping post and find out.

Good one, babs. Keep ’em coming. lol

Blake on August 17, 2007 at 10:44 AM

Of course for those who say that this couldn’t of happened under Clinton I have three words…

Waco
Ruby Ridge

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 17, 2007 at 11:20 AM

Bryan on August 16, 2007 at 9:55 PM

Dont worry Byran, we know who you are, and I am sure if you really need us to we can call you just as much an America hater as AP and Michelle… :P

doriangrey on August 17, 2007 at 1:38 PM

More from Babs!

Also read comment policy: “I respect and encourage substantive commentary,

Lie.

but comments that are nothing but insults of me or other commenters will be deleted.

Lie.

Repeated attempts to post such comments will get the commenter banned.”

Lie. Three for three. lol

Blake on August 17, 2007 at 2:06 PM

Are Terrorists running around killing liberal thinkers, gays, women, and children, deliberately and with malice aforethought? Yes.

Are Republicans running around killing liberal thinkers, gays, women, and children, deliberately and with malice aforethought? No.

Which one are leftists afraid of? Republicans.

Go ahead, tell me again that’s not a mental disorder. I dare you. I double-dog dare you.

Merovign on August 17, 2007 at 4:59 PM

forgive me…but dont we want to fight terorists and terrorism using law enforement–and not the military?

Well, here’s the problem – isn’t it? Leftists believe it’s a battle against terrorists and we should only use law enforcement and civilian courts to handle these matters. Conservatives, however, know better.

eanax on August 17, 2007 at 10:51 PM

Shucks, I was going to name my third son Jose Padilla.

saved on August 19, 2007 at 9:35 PM

You still can — speak Truth to Power!

Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 8:43 AM

Merovign on August 17, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Heh.

Jaibones on August 20, 2007 at 8:43 AM