So all the candidates have changed positions, as did Reagan. The difference is, who’s admitted it, and come up with reasons why? Romney has his story on when he had a change of heart–which at least to me sounds plausible. It may not convince others, but he at least has laid out his story and rationale for changing his mind. The rest try to sweep their changes under the rug, or lame excuses like “the tech wasn’t there.”

And I’m sorry, Rudy–what, precisely, would you do different than Hillary?

Please explain Newt’s negatives to me. Why is he so unelectable?

Newt is just to academic, he won’t talk in sound bites and he doesn’t quote like a bumper sticker. The MSM hates him because of his Contract with America, which ended up being embraced by the left (although they called it by everything else), I think only one point was not passed by the dem congress. He got so much negative press that was so biased and proven to be unfounded, that the negative sticks. That is when the Dems really found out that a constant stream of negative statements (true or false doesn’t matter), just as long as one may have a shadow of truth. The negative sticks with them, and they can always go back with the line “and he was once accused of…”. To keep harping on the lies and give them credibility.

Don’t know much about the inner Romney or Thomas. Until I do, can’t consider them.

I’ll probably be voting for an SOB.

If we can make documents “tamper-proof”, why haven’t we started with our U.S. currency?

omnipotent on August 15, 2007 at 9:10 PM

Then we’d have to ship real dollars to N. Korea instead of letting Kim just print em.

Everybody’s favorite pander bear has escaped the NYC ZOO.

CAGE THAT BEAST, already.

(Cohiba OK?)

Sure.

What makes you think Giuliani changed his mind because of 9/11?

Um….well…..cause of 9-11.

Speakup on August 15, 2007 at 9:53 PM

Ding! Ding! Ding! Give that man a cigar! (Cohiba OK?)

As for Allahpundit it seems he can’t even post anything anymore without being attacked. It’s getting really old. I don’t mind partisan discussions but does everything from a helicopter crash to a nuance in Guiliani’s immigration policy have to be a life-and-death issue?

This is a non issue and anyone who sees this as a chink in Rudy’s armor, must have been living under a rock for 11 years.

Giuliani Vows to End Illegal Immigration (WhiteOut, rubber stamp makers celebrate)

Rudy Giuliani has vowed to end illegal immigration as we know it. Under his plan, a new governmental organization will scour the web, editing pages to change the words “illegal immigration” to “legal immigration”…

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070815/NATION/108150042/1002

The fact of the matter is we can and must end illegal immigration, and Mayor Giuliani is the leader our country needs to get it done.” – Jason Miller, Deputy Communications Director

The hell you say; I guess 911 didn’t change everything.

Giuliani eyes citizenship path for illegals

By Stephen Dinan
August 15, 2007

As for the current immigrant population, Mr. Giuliani committed to deporting criminal aliens, both legal residents and illegals, which he said would total about 300,000.

Mr. Giuliani said the rest of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens already here can gain a path to citizenship after a waiting period if they register and learn English.

Those key elements generally track President Bush’s immigration bill, which was defeated in the Senate earlier this year. Mr. Giuliani opposed that bill, saying it was too complicated and unworkable.

Sounds to damn much like Bush*t to me.

If that’s not enough, there’s this from Michelle’s site:

What Rudy-come-lately fails to comprehend is that there are already multiple alien tracking databases mandated by federal law that have yet to be fully implemented, integrated and used. The reason they don’t work is because open-borders interests have sabotaged them by restricting funding for them, objecting to them on civil liberties grounds, and pushing local and state governments to forbid public employees from checking them to verify citizenship status. Ring a bell, Rudy?

Fool me once Rudy Bush.

If rudy cant answer these questions and Fred cant stand up and answer questions then they have no right to demand we support them.

If we can make documents “tamper-proof”, why haven’t we started with our U.S. currency?

Boo-Yah!!

“Legal” immigration works.

The illegal variety is the end of sovereignty, which means the dissolution of the nation.

ameripundit-

Not advocating the Chinese solution, just pointing out the Rudy “no can do” 1996 fallacy.

Controlling who comes in makes as much sense in your house as your country.

Just so I’m not accused of being completely in the tank for Giuliani. (I am in the tank for Giuliani, just not completely so.) Rudy’s camp has replied that technology has now advanced to the point where statements he made……

No.

Now we jump to Rudy talking about illegal immigration, something he has been against for over 11 years. The videos we have show as much. He states now that we can end illegal immigration. I believe it can be done, as such accept the statement

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Rudy has a very mixed record on illegal immigrations as do many big city mayors. They actually had to live with the problem and make the cities work unlike bloviating senators, some who have even more dubious records (cough, Fred, Brownback, McCain). Rudy’s record is very clear, he complained about illegals commiting crime but instructed city workers who were giving benefits like schooling, healthcare, etc. not to report them to the feds. He’s not pure. Not a single candidate is, not even 4 times Jesus Brownback. Not everything is a flip flop when you put the issue in context and stop with the youtube sound bites.

Bottom line is illegal immigration is a federal issue. I’m more interested in how he would lead the federal gov’t on the issue than how he led NYC.

Big S on August 15, 2007 at 8:45 PM

Does your link provide that info, if I were to click on it? If it does I’ll check it out.

I think he was talking about network technology for his “technological fence.” I wrote about it on my blog back in ‘94.