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Credulous photojournalism of the day Update: Type of round identified? Update: A typical MSM “correction”

posted at 9:11 am on August 15, 2007 by Bryan
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Look at the bullets that the woman is holding.

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Now read the caption:

An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house
following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)

The only way those two bullets hit anything is if someone threw them or launched them from a slingshot. They’re still pristine, still in their shells. And whoever wrote the caption obviously doesn’t know enough about firearms to know that. Either that, or as the tipster who sent this to me says, they’re actively helping create negative media stories against the US.

Update: Uncle J over at Blackfive may have found a media tour at work.

Update: Bob Owens looks into the photographer and his chosen subjects. AFP’s photo editors are passing off obviously staged photos as legitimate journalism. And Andrew Sullivan is passing one of them off to his readers as bona fide news.

Update: Snapped Shot and Ace are looking into this photo by the same photographer, Wissam al-Okaili, published on July 10th.

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It may or may not be the same woman in today’s photo (could be her sister if it’s not her though) and yet another magic bullet. Gateway Pundit has an expert who says that based on ballistics evidence, it could not have been fired. Here’s what the photo’s caption says:

An Iraqi elderly woman inspects a bullet which she says hit her bed during an alleged overnight raid by US and Iraqi troops in Baghdad’s impoverished district of Sadr City. Residents said two people were killed and four wounded during the raid.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)

I’m no ballistics expert, but I call shenanigans based on what I do know: There’s no way that bullet hit her bed unless she or someone else dropped it there. The force of a slug hitting any object at projectile speed does far more damage to the slug that this photo depicts. Far more. I’ve seen spent rounds with my own eyes. So what we have here, folks, is fauxtography staged for enemy propaganda purposes.

Update: I just contacted the AFP’s photo department. I’ll post results here if and when they get back with me. I won’t pull a Johnny Fever and suggest that anyone else contact them, but I won’t discourage it either.

Update: Confederate Yankee agrees with commenter JackS here, that the rounds shown aren’t even US military rounds.

But here’s the thing: The standard 62-grain M855 5.56 ball ammo used by our military today has a green tip, the M856 tracer has an orange tip, the M995 AP a black tip, and the Mk262 is a hollowpoint with an open tip.

The picture seems to show common commercial 55-grain civilian ball ammunition patterned after the Vietnam-era M193. With this in mind, I’d state that this ammunition wasn’t even dropped by American forces, as they don’t carry such ammunition.

Or perhaps it’s an AK-47 round? Hard to say based on that comparison, but it makes me lean toward accepting it as an AK round as opposed to any US round. Perhaps we should check with weapons expert Scott Thomas Beauchamp, but I believe that US forces are probably the only forces in Iraq who aren’t using the AK.

Update: AFP has issued a correction, of sorts:

CORRECTS BULLETS TO UNSPENT An elderly Iraqi woman holds up two unspent bullets at her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City, 14 August 2007.

When I wrote to them earlier today, here’s a close paraphrase of what I said (I don’t remember the exact wording), having identified myself as part of Hot Air:

You are currently running a photo identified as taken in Iraq. It depicts a woman holding two bullets, captioned as having struck her house during the course of a US-coalition raid. But as you can plainly see from the photo, the bullets are pristine and have never been fired. Perhaps your photographer and caption editor ought to be, though.

And I followed that up with a link to the photo on Yahoo (which has since been moved, but that’s how these daily photo galleries are — they do move frequently as new photos come in) so they could see it for themselves. But to see the dishonest “correction” above now, well, I have to conclude that they’re reacting to what I wrote to them in the way that the MSM does these days, by engaging in a little coverup. These dishonest hacks want us to trust their coverage of wars and everything else, but can’t even get the basics like whether or not a bullet was ever actually fired right, and then get downright Nixonian when confronted with their errors. If they were a government agency (which many of them think they are), there would be talk of scandal and resignations, coming from the press itself. But when it’s the press, they basically get away with lying to the world, constantly and blatantly.

More: By the way, Yahoo still has the photo up with the old, uncorrected caption, currently here. It moved from photo 38 to 118 over the course of the day.

Update (AP): I’m pretty sure this caption is accurate, though.

Update: Heh. Perfect. And about as accurate as anything the AFP can come up with.


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On the broken window trilogy, the same child looks to be in all 3 shots – my guess is these people are like paid models and photo “shoots”. If I were an Iraqi child I’d pose on the outside of a broken window or wherever a photographer with a pocket full of coins or candy bars asked me too.

Topsecretk9 on August 15, 2007 at 1:50 PM

In addition the bullet looks like it is set too deep in the brass to even be a 5.56 round. I’m guessing that the photographer is running around with a box of .223 remington. A very close round to the 5.56. The length of the .223 is 55mm and the 5.56 is 57mm. the only difference between the rounds visually is the length due to the how deep the bullet is set in the cartridge.

JackS on August 15, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Hollowpoint on August 15, 2007 at 1:34 PM

They’re just receiving the 2nd Amendment benefits Americans have to pay for.

infidel4life on August 15, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Of course, the photo is from Agence France Presse. The French can hardly be expected to know what happens to a bullet that has actually been fired.

morganfrost on August 15, 2007 at 9:35 AM

That one’s a beaut!

Redhead Infidel on August 15, 2007 at 1:15 PM

I second that sentiment.

awake on August 15, 2007 at 2:00 PM

And before anyone brings it up yes the government did make unpainted rounds the M155 ones. They were used in the old M16A1 rifles with 1×12 twist and used 55 gr. bullets. Vietnam era stuff.

JackS on August 15, 2007 at 2:00 PM

issued to a US Solder, Sailor or Marine

My sincerest apologies to the Airmen, I should not have left you out.

JackS on August 15, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Did someone ask if they were square backed rounds yet?

Bad Candy on August 15, 2007 at 2:07 PM

News for liberals by liberals.

“I’d've gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those pesky kids and their blog.”

Appologies if anyone’s posted that before.

- The Cat

P.S. That needs a t-shirt. With a laptop dressed like scooby or something

MirCat on August 15, 2007 at 2:24 PM

Haha! Imagine how much cheaper a day at the range would be!

Tanya on August 15, 2007 at 2:29 PM

Bwahaha! This makes my day. What a steaming pile of horse crap. Are there no editors on board at the AP? Or are they all just required to be morons? And who wrote this load of guano:

An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)

Translation: A well know liar felt like making a buck by holding some bullets handed to her by uneducated photographer.

whatthecrap on August 15, 2007 at 2:31 PM

(there was no deformation in the bullet nor rifling marks):
PRCalDude on August 15, 2007 at 12:51 PM

My first thought when I saw the second pic, no rifling marks.

conservnut on August 15, 2007 at 2:44 PM

Are those 5.56mm (.223)??? Cuz they look smaller. Anyone????

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 15, 2007 at 2:49 PM

If someone did throw them at her he throws like a sissy and missed…the bullets are pristine! Press people are morons!

sabbott on August 15, 2007 at 2:52 PM

I was going to say it looked like a tube of lipstick but then I put my reading glasses on and got a better look at grandma.

moonsbreath on August 15, 2007 at 3:06 PM

same woman – look at the eyebrows

JustTruth101 on August 15, 2007 at 3:11 PM

and the Mk262 is a hollowpoint with an open tip.

Bryan, hollowpoint is prohibited by the Geneva Convention and is not carried by U.S. soldiers. You know that, but others might not.

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 15, 2007 at 3:13 PM

An Iraqi elderly woman inspects a bullet which she says hit her bed during an alleged overnight raid by US and Iraqi troops in Baghdad’s impoverished district of Sadr City. Residents said two people were killed and four wounded during the raid.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)

I’m not a ballistics expert, but I do know that a round that’s fired and doesn’t hit anything more than sand or water generally get numerous vertical lines near the base as it super-heats and passes imperfections in the rifling of the barrel. The round in the second photo looks more like it was pulled off the end of a shell with a pair of pliers.

Spc Steve on August 15, 2007 at 3:14 PM

Are those 5.56mm (.223)??? Cuz they look smaller. Anyone????

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 15, 2007 at 2:49 PM

They look to me like .22 calibre FMJ (full metal jacket) bullets in a casing that is probably a .223 round. Compare with the second photo that Bryan posted showing what looks like some kind of .30 calibre or 7.62mm armor piercing bullet.

Note that with both pictures none of the bullets have a lead tip, indicating FMJ or armor piercing. Military .223 rounds use FMJ bullets, while lead tipped (or soft point) bullets are generally used for hunting.

If the bullet in the second picture is an armor piercing design then it could easily have been recovered pretty much intact after being fired. This type of bullet could have come from an AK-47, or maybe from some kind of .30cal machine gun configuration, or maybe a sniper style .30cal/7.62mm rifle. No way to really know for sure.

Lawrence on August 15, 2007 at 3:21 PM

They aren’t 7.62×39, for sure.

The angle of the shoulder and shape of the neck are all wrong. It pretty much matches 5.56, as close as I can come to lining a round up to the picture on the screen.

jefferson101 on August 15, 2007 at 3:28 PM

… armor piercing rounds use hardened carbon steel bullets designed specifically not to deform, thereby punching through whatever they hit. They make great field expedient metal punches.

Lawrence on August 15, 2007 at 3:31 PM

Anyone who’s ever fired a gun or rifle knows what a spent round looks like. One doesn’t even have to join the military to know that simple fact.

You don’t even have to have ever fired a gun -just watch TV! If you’ve watched anything from Dragnet to CSI, you have an idea of what a spent round looks like.

taznar on August 15, 2007 at 3:37 PM

… sorry for the extra posts.
.223cal = 5.56mm
.30cal = 7.62mm

Lawrence on August 15, 2007 at 3:38 PM

Anyone who’s ever fired a gun or rifle knows what a spent round looks like. One doesn’t even have to join the military to know that simple fact.

You don’t even have to have ever fired a gun -just watch TV! If you’ve watched anything from Dragnet to CSI, you have an idea of what a spent round looks like.

taznar on August 15, 2007 at 3:37 PM

True and true. I’ll stick with the libs are just stupid statement.

Mojave Mark on August 15, 2007 at 3:51 PM

The way you cropped the photo on the home page (with just some black hair showing), I thought it was going to be Ward Churchill holding those shiny new bullets.

Not that Elderly Iraqi Woman is any more credible.

Does she have a name? Is she Islamic Rage Boy’s mother?

saint kansas on August 15, 2007 at 3:54 PM

As anyone who’s been paying attention noted at the time, Adnan Hajj wasn’t an isolated case… sadly, because there was virtually no accountability then, I’m less motivated to get angry about this. I am, I just feel like “what’s the point?” now. No one will ever hear about this. Even if this was the beginning of revealing a HUGE problem, the story would never see the light of day.

RightWinged on August 15, 2007 at 4:01 PM

Maybe it’s not the same woman, maybe all Iraqi woman paint their eyebrows on like that.

Ann on August 15, 2007 at 4:05 PM

Look at the spit shine on those babies!
My thoughts exactly. They were polished up nicely for the photo-op.

To a joe blow untrained eye whose shot a few firearms in his life that was my immeadiate thought too!

Also the pic back from July was definately ‘posed’ and her hand looks like it covers the casing. What these b**tards won’t do to fake and propagandize. Thank God for the sharpies we have in the “new mdedia!’

Good job Bryan!

auspatriotman on August 15, 2007 at 4:11 PM

And whoever wrote the caption obviously doesn’t know enough about firearms to know that.

Heck, I know squat about firearms and I could have told you that!

Bob's Kid on August 15, 2007 at 4:12 PM

And I’ll bet a quarter that that ‘elderly’ woman is my age or thereabouts.

Bob's Kid on August 15, 2007 at 4:13 PM

Looks like .223. 762 x 39 is larger.

Maybe a .222? Looks like a civ version at any rate.

Asher on August 15, 2007 at 4:15 PM

Woman must be UC Berkeley grad.

Wade on August 15, 2007 at 9:25 AM

HEY!

Bob's Kid on August 15, 2007 at 4:15 PM

Seeing this kind of crap from the media fills me with contempt. If you think that was the result of an “uninformed,” too stupid to know what fired bullets look like — IN A WAR ZONE, photographer, you’re nuts.

It is why I no longer feel heartwrenching anguish when one of these MSM a-holes takes a bullet in the field and expires.

There are very few “Ernie Pyle’s” in the media today. Those that are, are doing what Pyle did, live and work WITH the troops they cover. Michael Yon, Bill Roggio, Robert Kaplan, and several others whose names I can’t remember right now, and even you and Michelle, have reported from the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan. You’ve been with the troops and have told their stories.

The smartest media thing the military did was to allow reporters to embed with the troops. The dumbest was to not impose military censorship to reporters living in Baghdad’s Green Zone. (Yes, I belive in censorship time of war, especially when the media actively sabotages the war effort. See Schenk v. US, 249 US 47, 52 (1919)).

That is what Ernie Pyle did.

Pyle recognized that reporters have a point of view and the difficulty in remaining neutral: “Every reporter is a citizen of somewhere and a believer in something,” he said. The reporter in this case (the photographer) has a point of view that is on the side of the enemy. I have no doubt that he either is, works for, or supports Mookie Sadr.

For AFP to accept these obvious fakes just proves the point that the media supports the enemy.

georgej on August 15, 2007 at 4:24 PM

It doesn’t look the same woman in both photos to me, either…the bottom one looks older and they seem to have different facial characteristics.

Bob's Kid on August 15, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Does anyone else think this Wissam image looks a little hinky and photoshopped like the Reuters smoke one?

Topsecretk9 on August 15, 2007 at 4:36 PM

I bet it was one of those jihns that the mullahs claim leave mittens in virgins. That lady probably has a uterus full of small arms ammo courtesy of a swamp jihn.

She’s afraid to tell the truth and is blaming it on our guys. I hear she’s suing Imus too.

Hening on August 15, 2007 at 4:52 PM

The second picture, (with the lady that looks like she has a headache), looks like the bullet has crimp marks from its case, but if it had been fired, say straight up in the air and landing in soft sand or water, it would still have marks from the rifling at least. Maybe it does but the picture is too small to tell, although I don’t think so. More likely it was removed from the cartridge without firing.

FloatingRock on August 15, 2007 at 4:53 PM

I think the picture has been taken down.

BathTub on August 15, 2007 at 4:55 PM

Those bullets aren’t US, we fire our guns. Clearly they’re French, dropped just prior to surrendering.

And ya, there is some new fauxtogrophy posted now.

Rode Werk on August 15, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Shoulder taper looks wrong for 5.56 to me.

Could be from a russian made AK-74 which is 5.45×39…

Whatever—- those things have a nice shine on them. Someone must have polished them up real good for the photo shoot.

In the second photo… That one could be a 30 cal. … Or not even a projectile at all… Maybe the tip of her eyebrow pencil cover.

LegendHasIt on August 15, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Based on the proportion of the bullet relative to the casing, it’s not a 7.62mm. But that’s a moot point. It’s easy to obtain an unfired round in almost any caliber. The salient point is that the rounds in question obviously were never fired.

Blacklake on August 15, 2007 at 5:13 PM

One women has a turquoise ring; the other doesn’t.

andycanuck on August 15, 2007 at 5:17 PM

Bryan, hollowpoint is prohibited by the Geneva Convention and is not carried by U.S. soldiers. You know that, but others might not.

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 15, 2007 at 3:13 PM

Hollowpoint has been banned by the Geneva Convention?! Who wants to be the one to tell him?

ReubenJCogburn on August 15, 2007 at 5:25 PM

Bryan, regarding your comment:

but I believe that US forces are probably the only forces in Iraq who aren’t using the AK.

You forgot about the Private Military Contractors in Iraq who provide security there. They carry a mixture of weapons, including some US made ones as well.

ViperPilot on August 15, 2007 at 5:29 PM

I’m no ballistics expert, but I call shenanigans based on what I do know

Everybody get a broom!

Harpoon on August 15, 2007 at 5:34 PM

But here’s the thing: The standard 62-grain used by our military today has a green tip, the M856 tracer has an orange tip, the M995 AP a black tip, and the Mk262 is a hollowpoint with an open tip.
The picture seems to show common commercial 55-grain civilian ball ammunition patterned after the Vietnam-era M193. With this in mind, I’d state that this ammunition wasn’t even dropped by American forces, as they don’t carry such ammunition.

I disagree.

The standard military issue ball ammo M193 does not have a green tip.

The green tip version M855 is for use in the M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon).

I think we all pretty much agree the bullets in the first picture looks exactly like .223/5.56mm round. I can also think of 20 different styles of ammunition that use this size of bullet. Most of which are readily available commercially.

If military they are M193 rounds. If commercial they could be anything. But note also that there is no lead tip, but rather a full copper jacket (FMJ), which is exactly what standard M193 ball ammo is.

Lawrence on August 15, 2007 at 5:38 PM

I think the picture has been taken down.

BathTub on August 15, 2007 at 4:55 PM

Nah, it’s still up

Ugly on August 15, 2007 at 5:40 PM

Or perhaps it’s an AK-47 round? Hard to say based on that comparison, but it makes me lean toward accepting it as an AK round as opposed to any US round.

C’mon Brian, are you not reading the comments?

AK-47 (7.62mm) is a .30cal size round. There is absolutely no way the rounds in the first picture are that big. Not unless that lady’s ring finger is a size 20.

Lawrence on August 15, 2007 at 5:44 PM

Lawrence on August 15, 2007 at 5:44 PM

She does have man hands though.

Harpoon on August 15, 2007 at 5:49 PM

Now do you understand how a sick faith like islam could have spread so broadly.

MNDavenotPC on August 15, 2007 at 6:02 PM

A good description of our 5.56 rounds is found here.

Lots of data for comparison.

CommentGuy on August 15, 2007 at 6:06 PM

IMO the second photo is more suspect than the first. The caption for the first photo only states that the bullets hit her house, which might have been caused by an explosion ejecting some unfired cartridges from a nearby location. Still, it’s misleading.

The second photo appears to be a bullet that was loaded in a cartridge at some point but seems to have been deliberately removed physically from its case without firing. If it WAS fired, it certainly didn’t strike any solid objects like a bed frame with any force. More likely it is one of the many bullets that rain down from the sky in Iraq each day after a wedding or some other celebratory activity. If such a bullet had landed on her mattress it would be intact, although I don’t think it would be as intact as it appears in the second picture because of rifling marks.

FloatingRock on August 15, 2007 at 6:14 PM

I disagree.

The standard military issue ball ammo M193 does not have a green tip.

The green tip version M855 is for use in the M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon).

I think we all pretty much agree the bullets in the first picture looks exactly like .223/5.56mm round. I can also think of 20 different styles of ammunition that use this size of bullet. Most of which are readily available commercially.

If military they are M193 rounds. If commercial they could be anything. But note also that there is no lead tip, but rather a full copper jacket (FMJ), which is exactly what standard M193 ball ammo is.

Lawrence on August 15, 2007 at 5:38 PM

The current military standard is the 62g. M855 The 55g. M193 was used in the M16 and M16A1. If our guys were using M193 you would hear every Congressmen and Senator screaming to high hell, and rightly so. The M855 has been the NATO standard since 1980.

JackS on August 15, 2007 at 6:24 PM

These are the new top secret UN PC-bullets …that let the enemy use them, also, to shoot back at you in their more primitive weapons.

Just to make things more even for the poor Third World types who can’t afford our high technology.

profitsbeard on August 15, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Bryan, hollowpoint is prohibited by the Geneva Convention…

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 15, 2007 at 3:13 PM

THEY’LL NEVER STOP HOLLOWPOINT!!! They can have my alias when they pry it from my cold dead hands!!!

Hollowpoint on August 15, 2007 at 6:45 PM

OK people- Google 5.45×39 (the AK-74 round), 5.56 (NATO round used in the M16 series), 7.62×39 (round used in the AK-47) and 7.62 NATO (used in the M-14 and M-60 machinegun variants). I’d post links but the work Internet filter doesn’t like gun stuff. Romney must’ve helped write it.

It’s almost certainly a 5.56 / .223 Remington, which are dimensionally identical depending on what bullet the .223 is loaded with. Probably a commercial .223 round. Definitely NOT an AK round- you can tell without the picture, since most AK military ammo is steel cased instead of brass cased.

Hollowpoint on August 15, 2007 at 6:59 PM

Wow, this has developed into a full-blown ammo thread! This is why I love HotAir.

I vote 5.56mm NATO FMJ

infidel4life on August 15, 2007 at 7:11 PM

AK-47 7.62’s looks like a winner.

Give that lady a banana clip!

(Or is that haram in Islam?)

profitsbeard on August 15, 2007 at 7:51 PM

What an awesome thread. For reference, here’s what a (cheap, shut up) 7.62 round looks like in a female hand. (I can’t attest to her hand being the same size as mine, obviously.) It sounds like a few people might be overestimating the size?

Tanya on August 15, 2007 at 8:03 PM

Tanya on August 15, 2007 at 8:03 PM

Hot Air commenter calls that photo “teh hawt” in 3…2…

Bryan on August 15, 2007 at 8:08 PM

Heh. Fingers are almost as sexeh as ankles.

Tanya on August 15, 2007 at 8:12 PM

Maybe it’s Rage Boy’s momma, Warty Wailing Woman.

tree hugging sister on August 15, 2007 at 8:22 PM

I’ve actually come to hate stories like these. Heh.

Allahpundit on August 15, 2007 at 8:24 PM

The MSM has got to be the laziest group of fools outside of government. They must think we have single digit IQs to fall for this.

I can not tell caliber by looking at the rounds, but even I can tell they’ve never been fired!

Mooseman

Mooseman on August 15, 2007 at 8:29 PM

I’ve actually come to hate stories like these. Heh.

I meant the Identify That Ammo! part. Does that happen often? I don’t even know if you were talking to me…

Tanya on August 15, 2007 at 8:37 PM

The first pictures are 5.56mm, could be commercial or old military. No bullets have exposed lead anymore except some lower velocity rounds like a 30-30. Second picture is no way a 5.56mm round,proportions are wrong and that doesn’t look like a copper jacket. And green tips are not just SAW rounds Lawrence.

r/s Major Dad

tree hugging sister on August 15, 2007 at 8:40 PM

Where’s the Second Gunman?

Behind the grassy knoll scrubby desert?

I question the calibre of this witness.

profitsbeard on August 15, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Both pictures are definitely the same woman. Notice the dark age spot on her right cheek.

The shoulders on the unfired rounds don’t look right for military 5.56 ammo. The case seems a little wide in relation to the diameter of the bullet. I wonder if these are rounds for a sniper rifle, like a Remington 700, that can be chambered for .243, .270, 22-250, etc. Maybe the Army should go back and have a little talk with this lady.

drewas on August 15, 2007 at 9:24 PM

I think our friends over at The People’s Cube have this all figured out.

Maxx on August 15, 2007 at 9:35 PM

I question the calibre of this witness.

profitsbeard on August 15, 2007 at 9:13 PM

That’s what the caption should say under the photo.

KCtheKat on August 15, 2007 at 9:36 PM

Perhaps your photographer and caption editor ought to be, though.

Bryan, you rock!

tikvah on August 15, 2007 at 9:37 PM

KCtheCat-

I’m just surprised she wasn’t holding the bullets upside down.

Maxx -

LOL!

Great People’s Cube link! (That lady sho’nuff gets around.)

Photoshopaholics unite!

profitsbeard on August 15, 2007 at 9:49 PM

Bryan, please tell Michelle we’d like to see these sorts of issues raised on O’Reilly if she has the opportunity.

What is revealing about this, is we can trust absolutely NOTHING the media reports to us. It’s sad, but it has truly gotten that bad. I think the NASA GISS numbers being revised down is a HUGE and perfect example of that. NO MSM COVERAGE TO SPEAK OF, NOT EVEN A FRIGGIN’ WIRE STORY FOR THEM TO IGNORE!!! Whether one believes it affects the overall global warming argument, etc. the point stands that this is still a BIG story. The fact that it got NO coverage, should tell everyone all they need to know about the media… not to mention toiletgate, the lack of coverage of Sandy Berger, today’s fauxtography, the countless examples from the Hezbo-Israeli war last year, the lack of conservative editorial writers, Rathergate, etc. etc. I could literally go on for days.

I just don’t think people really understand how big this issue is. AFP, like the AP and Reuters is a wire service and folks could be picking up and running this photo… This is pure enemy propaganda, and the evil SOB responsible should be thrown in jail, and so should the responsible parties in the offices at AFP who aren’t feverishly removing the photo from Yahoo!, etc. They, like the Democratic party are PURE EVIL (and I mean that). They run propaganda for the enemy, they are invested in our defeat, and they won’t allow us to win no matter what. It’s f-ing sickening, once again, that this misinformation isn’t the top story at most media outlets right now.

RightWinged on August 15, 2007 at 9:58 PM

That could be a .50 cal round, But it’s hard to tell with her manly man hands.

KCtheKat on August 15, 2007 at 10:02 PM

is we can trust absolutely NOTHING the media reports to us

.

This really is true today. Many in the MSM are just plain actively working for the Democrat party and/or our enemies. It makes no difference how small or large the story,, whether it is about the weather, food, energy, science, medicine, it’s all political now. This story, though,, is just too easy. I think they have dumbed themselves down.

JellyToast on August 15, 2007 at 10:24 PM

LOL, I just showed the picture of the lady holding the two bullets to my wife and I asked her what’s wrong with this picture and caption. My wife, who has never handled a bullet or fired a gun before knew right away that those bullets had never been fired. My wife said “What, were they throwing them at her?”

KCtheKat on August 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM

JellyToast on August 15, 2007 at 10:24 PM

The worst part is, no matter how many examples we come up with, they get brushed aside as “isolated incidents”, even by people on our own side who have the voice to bring attention to this overall problem.

Setting aside the media for a minute, do you think that most Americans realize what Democrat leaders have said in recent years? Kerry – troops are stupid and terrorize women and children, Durbin – troops are Nazis, House Majority Whip James Clyburn – good news in Iraq would be bad for us (Democrats), Reid – the war is lost and we’ll win seats off of it, Pelosi – hangs out with our enemies against the president’s wishes, when we’re supposed to have ONE foreign policy (and don’t give me “some Repubs did it to”, because they pissed off the Syrians and got bad press, Pelosi was used as propaganda FOR them), Murtha – well, you know, etc. etc. etc.

We’re not talking about “slip ups”, we’re talking about the few times they get caught out, but a consistent message.

RightWinged on August 15, 2007 at 10:36 PM

tikvah on August 15, 2007 at 9:37 PM

Heh. Thanks. So how’s it going these days?

Bryan on August 15, 2007 at 11:52 PM

US Forces attacked Iraqi Special Olympics team!!

zerodamage on August 16, 2007 at 12:07 AM

Proof of Attack on Special Olypics!

zerodamage on August 16, 2007 at 12:09 AM

Tanya on August 15, 2007 at 8:03 PM

OMG!!!1! TEH HOT!!!!!1!1eleventy!1

Bryan on August 15, 2007 at 8:08 PM

Dunno, Bryan predicted it, so I thought, sure, why not?

Bad Candy on August 16, 2007 at 12:17 AM

It’s an official News story now!

zerodamage on August 16, 2007 at 12:23 AM

Digg

zerodamage on August 16, 2007 at 12:23 AM

Final clue,this was was pointed out to me: Military brass is not highly polished.

Ergo, this is COMMERCIAL ammunition, not militaey or even surplus. AFP is lying,

georgej on August 16, 2007 at 12:25 AM

I would say it very well could be the same woman or a woman from the same tribe. Notice the tribal tattoos over the eyebrows and down the chin from the center of the lip. I believe I can make out the “over the eyebrow” tattoo in both photos but the chin tattoo in only one.

crosspatch on August 16, 2007 at 12:28 AM

CORRECTS BULLETS TO UNSPENT An elderly Iraqi woman holds up two unspent bullets at her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City, 14 August 2007.

Any explanation then, mes amis, as to why she would be holding up two unspent rounds? And why a photo of an old woman holding up two unspent rounds could in any way be considered newsworthy?

Blacklake on August 16, 2007 at 12:34 AM

Blacklake on August 16, 2007 at 12:34 AM

Perhaps she is launching a new brass polishing service in the Baghdad marketplace.

infidel4life on August 16, 2007 at 12:57 AM

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