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Credulous photojournalism of the day Update: Type of round identified? Update: A typical MSM “correction”

posted at 9:11 am on August 15, 2007 by Bryan
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Look at the bullets that the woman is holding.

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Now read the caption:

An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house
following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)

The only way those two bullets hit anything is if someone threw them or launched them from a slingshot. They’re still pristine, still in their shells. And whoever wrote the caption obviously doesn’t know enough about firearms to know that. Either that, or as the tipster who sent this to me says, they’re actively helping create negative media stories against the US.

Update: Uncle J over at Blackfive may have found a media tour at work.

Update: Bob Owens looks into the photographer and his chosen subjects. AFP’s photo editors are passing off obviously staged photos as legitimate journalism. And Andrew Sullivan is passing one of them off to his readers as bona fide news.

Update: Snapped Shot and Ace are looking into this photo by the same photographer, Wissam al-Okaili, published on July 10th.

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It may or may not be the same woman in today’s photo (could be her sister if it’s not her though) and yet another magic bullet. Gateway Pundit has an expert who says that based on ballistics evidence, it could not have been fired. Here’s what the photo’s caption says:

An Iraqi elderly woman inspects a bullet which she says hit her bed during an alleged overnight raid by US and Iraqi troops in Baghdad’s impoverished district of Sadr City. Residents said two people were killed and four wounded during the raid.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)

I’m no ballistics expert, but I call shenanigans based on what I do know: There’s no way that bullet hit her bed unless she or someone else dropped it there. The force of a slug hitting any object at projectile speed does far more damage to the slug that this photo depicts. Far more. I’ve seen spent rounds with my own eyes. So what we have here, folks, is fauxtography staged for enemy propaganda purposes.

Update: I just contacted the AFP’s photo department. I’ll post results here if and when they get back with me. I won’t pull a Johnny Fever and suggest that anyone else contact them, but I won’t discourage it either.

Update: Confederate Yankee agrees with commenter JackS here, that the rounds shown aren’t even US military rounds.

But here’s the thing: The standard 62-grain M855 5.56 ball ammo used by our military today has a green tip, the M856 tracer has an orange tip, the M995 AP a black tip, and the Mk262 is a hollowpoint with an open tip.

The picture seems to show common commercial 55-grain civilian ball ammunition patterned after the Vietnam-era M193. With this in mind, I’d state that this ammunition wasn’t even dropped by American forces, as they don’t carry such ammunition.

Or perhaps it’s an AK-47 round? Hard to say based on that comparison, but it makes me lean toward accepting it as an AK round as opposed to any US round. Perhaps we should check with weapons expert Scott Thomas Beauchamp, but I believe that US forces are probably the only forces in Iraq who aren’t using the AK.

Update: AFP has issued a correction, of sorts:

CORRECTS BULLETS TO UNSPENT An elderly Iraqi woman holds up two unspent bullets at her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City, 14 August 2007.

When I wrote to them earlier today, here’s a close paraphrase of what I said (I don’t remember the exact wording), having identified myself as part of Hot Air:

You are currently running a photo identified as taken in Iraq. It depicts a woman holding two bullets, captioned as having struck her house during the course of a US-coalition raid. But as you can plainly see from the photo, the bullets are pristine and have never been fired. Perhaps your photographer and caption editor ought to be, though.

And I followed that up with a link to the photo on Yahoo (which has since been moved, but that’s how these daily photo galleries are — they do move frequently as new photos come in) so they could see it for themselves. But to see the dishonest “correction” above now, well, I have to conclude that they’re reacting to what I wrote to them in the way that the MSM does these days, by engaging in a little coverup. These dishonest hacks want us to trust their coverage of wars and everything else, but can’t even get the basics like whether or not a bullet was ever actually fired right, and then get downright Nixonian when confronted with their errors. If they were a government agency (which many of them think they are), there would be talk of scandal and resignations, coming from the press itself. But when it’s the press, they basically get away with lying to the world, constantly and blatantly.

More: By the way, Yahoo still has the photo up with the old, uncorrected caption, currently here. It moved from photo 38 to 118 over the course of the day.

Update (AP): I’m pretty sure this caption is accurate, though.

Update: Heh. Perfect. And about as accurate as anything the AFP can come up with.


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I’m floored. They aren’t even trying hard to hide their deception anymore.

TheBigOldDog on August 15, 2007 at 9:18 AM

Tip: When one of the phrases used is “slaughtered” then you know it is a heavily-biased article. Slaughtered applies to animals being processed for food, or as a pejorative term to describe intense one-sided fighting e.g. the poor under equipped insurgent aka terrorist jihadis didn’t stand a chance facing the evil imperialist US military forces.

Neo on August 15, 2007 at 9:19 AM

Hahahahahahaha! Idiots!

m1a1usmc on August 15, 2007 at 9:19 AM

…actively helping create negative media stories against the US.

Do ya think?

How about we enter this fight? Surely there a few Americans with at least as much talent as Michael Moore and a little common sense.

TunaTalon on August 15, 2007 at 9:20 AM

That’s some high grade stupid right there.

Pablo on August 15, 2007 at 9:20 AM

Arlen Specter says they’re magic bullets.

JammieWearingFool on August 15, 2007 at 9:22 AM

where can one get reusable bullets?

trailortrash on August 15, 2007 at 9:23 AM

She looks curiously like the woman who kept showing up in all those Adnan Hajj photos from Lebanon last year.

JammieWearingFool on August 15, 2007 at 9:23 AM

Woman must be UC Berkeley grad.

Wade on August 15, 2007 at 9:25 AM

four suicide truck bombs targeted people from an ancient religious sect in northern Iraq

It’s not two-bit AQ thugs who are attacking, it’s “suicide truck bombs” and bullets that have minds of their own. Kind of like the “SUV Runs Over Pedestrian” headlines. It’s not the driver, it’s the vehicle.

kjspeedial on August 15, 2007 at 9:28 AM

If there was ever any doubt that the French are stupid this should remove it.

pistolero on August 15, 2007 at 9:29 AM

Perhaps the Iraqis have just started being resourceful and reloading spent bullets to save money buying them on the black market. That’s as reasonable as the press being biased, right? right? anyone?

rightwingcollegeprof on August 15, 2007 at 9:29 AM

Look at the spit shine on those babies!

Next she’ll be claiming she was raped, and produce a condom to prove it – IN A FOIL PACKET !!!!!!!!!

LMAOWTIME (…with tears in my eyes!)

singlemalt_18 on August 15, 2007 at 9:31 AM

Man! Where can I get some of that useable ammo?
Hand loading is a pain in the ass. I have to buy new ammo all the time.

Buy the way what are the dems gonna do about these high ammo prices.
We may have just found the answer.

Just think all around the world clueless dems are reading that article nodding there heads and saying our troops are baby killers.

TheSitRep on August 15, 2007 at 9:32 AM

JamieWearingFool

Close, she has been seen before.

This story was out last night on BlackFive a milblog.

Lots of debunking done real fast.

CommentGuy on August 15, 2007 at 9:32 AM

I think Arlen Spector should be notified. Looks like we have more magic bullets to investigate….

soulsirkus on August 15, 2007 at 9:33 AM

But Bryan, you will concede, won’t you, that those bullets could well have been fired into a house if we lived in a universe where a 1972 typewriter somehow produced a note written in Microsoft Word, won’t you?

Sincerely,

Dan Rather

radjah shelduck on August 15, 2007 at 9:34 AM

Of course, the photo is from Agence France Presse. The French can hardly be expected to know what happens to a bullet that has actually been fired.

morganfrost on August 15, 2007 at 9:35 AM

But Bryan, you will concede, won’t you, that those bullets could well have been fired into a house if we lived in a universe where a 1972 typewriter somehow produced a note written in Microsoft Word, won’t you?

Sincerely,

Dan Rather

radjah shelduck on August 15, 2007 at 9:34 AM

That’s about the size of it!
well said.

TheSitRep on August 15, 2007 at 9:36 AM

Arlen Specter says they’re magic bullets.

JammieWearingFool on August 15, 2007 at 9:22 AM

The guy at his gym told him so. Oh, and Harry’s friend backed up the story, too.

amerpundit on August 15, 2007 at 9:36 AM

The picture is still up on Yahoo. Hahahaha.

Idiots.

Rosetta on August 15, 2007 at 9:36 AM

Sorry about messing up grammatically by putting “won’t you” in two places in my earlier note. My retirement has not been going well and I’m drinking heavily.

Sincerely,

Dan Rather

radjah shelduck on August 15, 2007 at 9:37 AM

The only way those two bullets hit anything is if someone threw them or launched them from a slingshot. They’re still pristine, still in their shells. And whoever wrote the caption obviously doesn’t know enough about firearms to know that. Either that, or as the tipster who sent this to me says, they’re actively helping create negative media stories against the US.

I choose, D) All of the above.

Troy Rasmussen on August 15, 2007 at 9:37 AM

Of course, the photo is from Agence France Presse. The French can hardly be expected to know what happens to a bullet that has actually been fired.

morganfrost on August 15, 2007 at 9:35 AM

PERFECTION IN POSTING MY FRIEND!

TheSitRep on August 15, 2007 at 9:37 AM

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

pullingmyhairout on August 15, 2007 at 9:40 AM

The guy at his gym bath house told him so. Oh, and Harry’s friend backed up the story, too.

amerpundit on August 15, 2007 at 9:36 AM

fixed

TheSitRep on August 15, 2007 at 9:41 AM

To dig a little deeper… what is this lady doing with ammo? Shooting cans off the fence post, no doubt. Probably a member of the Iraqi NRA.

Ordinary1 on August 15, 2007 at 9:42 AM

CommentGuy on August 15, 2007 at 9:32 AM

She’s Flat Fatima’s cousin Sara Sadr!

TheBigOldDog on August 15, 2007 at 9:47 AM

That one is now on the wall at work.

MadisonConservative on August 15, 2007 at 9:48 AM

Look at the spit shine on those babies!

My thoughts exactly. They were polished up nicely for the photo-op.

High Desert Wanderer on August 15, 2007 at 9:51 AM

Did anyone notice that those are 7.62×39 rounds, common ammunition for Ak-47’s.

m1a1usmc on August 15, 2007 at 9:53 AM

I can hear their excuse now…

The AFP photographer merely had the lady hold an example of the type of bullets that nearly killed her.

Swinehound on August 15, 2007 at 9:53 AM

If she would move her fingers, I could see if the bullets have square ends. If they do, it’s civil war, Baby!

AZCON on August 15, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Hit her house? What? Did someone throw them at her house? That is hi-larious!

See what happens when people aren’t properly educated and exposed to firearms? It turns out to be a giant scary mystery, that’s what happens my friends.

In all seriousness though, I think they are trying to peg the incident on coalition forces by showing the casings. I am no expert but isn’t the one on the left a .223 and the one on the right is 5.62mm? (Where as terrorists use 7.62mm in their AK’s)

mojowire on August 15, 2007 at 9:58 AM

Damn AZCON, you beat me to it. I was hoping we could reach TNR weapons expert ex-PFC Beauchamp for a comment.

BohicaTwentyTwo on August 15, 2007 at 9:58 AM

Did anyone notice that those are 7.62×39 rounds, common ammunition for Ak-47’s.

m1a1usmc on August 15, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Looks like 5.56mm ammo for an M-16 to me…

Swinehound on August 15, 2007 at 9:59 AM

The Onion is looking more like real news every day.

MT on August 15, 2007 at 9:59 AM

Looks like 5.56mm ammo for an M-16 to me…

Swinehound on August 15, 2007 at 9:59 AM

Your right… Didn’t have my coffee yet… wishful thinking…

m1a1usmc on August 15, 2007 at 10:01 AM

“175 people were slaughtered. Most succumbed to blunt casing wounds to the scull, others suffocated under the weight of the ammo boxes themselves…”

AZCON on August 15, 2007 at 10:02 AM

That is some fargin’ cool rifle that can hurl a projectile through a concrete wall and not even get a ding in the bullets! I want me some of that gun. Of course, this is a French news site…ebay is selling 50 000 antique French army rifles from WWII….Pristine, too! Never fired, dropped only once!

Jewel on August 15, 2007 at 10:03 AM

All your credulous photo captions are belong to us.

mram on August 15, 2007 at 10:04 AM

Bryan, your grey “quote box” quote is covering up half the screencap picture so you can’t see the shells except their tips. (I’m using IE 7.0 to view — the most recent IE, anyway.)

andycanuck on August 15, 2007 at 10:05 AM

We have to stop just slingshotting unspent rounds into civilian homes! – Obama

MT on August 15, 2007 at 10:06 AM

And, after posting the above, now it’s fixed. Doh!

andycanuck on August 15, 2007 at 10:07 AM

Maybe the Lil Ol’ lady handmakes ammo for jihadists in her sewing room and is so proud of her product she told reporters my bullets are used to hit Shiite. But when the reporters heard ‘hit Shiite’ they edited it to hit her house to avoid looking racist.

MSGTAS on August 15, 2007 at 10:12 AM

And these people are going to take over the world?

saiga on August 15, 2007 at 10:19 AM

unbelievable

ThackerAgency on August 15, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Can someone get me in contact with the lady. 7.62×39, 7.62×51 and 5.56×45 ammo prices have skyrocketed and some are hard to find.

What a bunch of crap!

MOST people will think that these rounds she’s holding were actually fired at her and not know the truth.

bubbadog89 on August 15, 2007 at 10:25 AM

Libs will run this as proof of the statement “terrorizing neighborhoods, and killing innocent citizens”.

right2bright on August 15, 2007 at 10:31 AM

The part of the story not reported….

“The infidels had sticks that went boom and great flying birds in the sky that would land on the ground and soldiers would come out of it’s belly! They have great loud turtles with long tongues that breath fire and smoke!”

csdeven on August 15, 2007 at 10:32 AM

Since there was some danger in the funding bill not being passed, Booooosh ordered the troops to use slingshots to fire ammunition. They were then to go fetch the “shot” ammo and use it again, thereby savings millions!!

Brilliant.

BacaDog on August 15, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Primer, casing, bullet, powder … whatever. It’s all so confusing.

BowHuntingTexas on August 15, 2007 at 10:36 AM

AlPress will just quickly come out with their own investigation in support of the photo and say that the “bullets” in question did indeed “hit” the house, but it was “thrown” not “fired”. So the entire story is still intact and true! All these right wing bloggers are just trying to distract from the fake but accurate reporting!

FireFly on August 15, 2007 at 10:44 AM

Can the MSM get much dumber?

Wait, don’t answer that.

doufree on August 15, 2007 at 10:47 AM

Yeah, go ahead and laugh it off. Listen, let’s see how you feel if those bullets were dropped from a plane from 5,000 ft. and it hit you on the head…it would hurt.

Democrats are ordering all bullets to be encased in rubber to prevent accidental dropping on head, and injuring innocent civilians.

right2bright on August 15, 2007 at 10:47 AM

Arlen Specter says they’re magic bullets.

How did the bullet that passed through Governor Connally and President Kennedy get all the way over to Iraq? And find a twin, no less?

Bigfoot on August 15, 2007 at 10:48 AM

guys, she looks familiar. Haven’t I seen her wailing in front of bomb damage in one of the Jawa vids?

JDinSC on August 15, 2007 at 10:50 AM

Of course, the photo is from Agence France Presse. The French can hardly be expected to know what happens to a bullet that has actually been fired.

morganfrost on August 15, 2007 at 9:35 AM

Almost fell out of my chair laughing!

striper1 on August 15, 2007 at 10:51 AM

Went to Blackfive and checked out the link to Flat Fatima, ROTFLMAO. Go check it out for some good laughs.

ic1redeye on August 15, 2007 at 10:51 AM

Yeah! I just look again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lM57WpO-ww&eurl=
check out the woman :54 into the vid clip (and again at 1:54) at the two sites and tell me that isn’t the same face…

Fauxtography strikes again?

JDinSC on August 15, 2007 at 10:54 AM

I’m floored. They aren’t even trying hard to hide their deception anymore.

TheBigOldDog on August 15, 2007 at 9:18 AM

Why should they? They’re just playing to their target audience, reinforcing what their audience already wants to believe. The fact that their audience is too ignorant to know when they are being lied is our real problem.

Lawrence on August 15, 2007 at 10:56 AM

Thats funny right there, or it would be if they werent so intent on making us look bad. Its still funny.

Viper1 on August 15, 2007 at 10:58 AM

google this guy’s name. Now you know you can discredit all these photos.

desertdweller on August 15, 2007 at 10:58 AM

Libs will run this as proof of the statement “terrorizing neighborhoods, and killing innocent citizens”.
right2bright on August 15, 2007 at 10:31 AM

“Calling Congressman Murtha! Please pick up the blood-red courtesy phone…”

eeyore on August 15, 2007 at 11:01 AM

My reaction to the blatant lies.

When are we going to prosecute?

Mazztek on August 15, 2007 at 11:08 AM

I heard those bullets had square backs on them also. But that would mean…

BadgerHawk on August 15, 2007 at 11:10 AM

Wissam looks like a Sadr militia member. Nearly all of his photos are from Sadr friendly locations. He even has a collection of photos of Iraqis flying the flag of Lebanon to protest the Israeli/Hizb’allah war from last summer.

Almost every photo he takes is from Sadr City in Baghdad.

gabriel sutherland on August 15, 2007 at 11:17 AM

Looks like Moammar Khadafy in drag to me.

Suzzsin on August 15, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Why isn’t this some form of treason?

p0s3r on August 15, 2007 at 11:25 AM

It’s a Rovian plot to make the MSM look bad!

Alden Pyle on August 15, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Maybe they’re supposed to be example bullets, like she’s saying “This is the caliber bullet that hit my home.” It’s common to keep example bullets.

frankj on August 15, 2007 at 11:32 AM

Those aren’t bullets, they’re French suppositories.

infidel4life on August 15, 2007 at 11:33 AM

This isn’t treason because the reporter isn’t American. And I doubt that this woman is Flat Fatima of Lebanon war fame, unless the AFP is also misreporting the photo’s location (which I’ll concede is possible, given its accuracy regarding the bullets). The black robes tend to make an awful lot of people look exactly alike, which is the point of them to some extent.

But having said both of those things, it does look like the photog is a public affairs officer for the Sadr militia who has embedded with the AFP for propaganda purposes.

Bryan on August 15, 2007 at 11:39 AM

I’m no gun maven; I do know how to clean, load and shoot one. But even I know that those shells are unfired. Are “reporters” really that stupid? The answer is, of course, probably, but in this case, it’s willful dishonesty. They know better and they lied anyway. Jackasses.

Physics Geek on August 15, 2007 at 11:45 AM

Hahahahahahaha! Idiots!

Question is, how many levels of “Idiot” did this pass through before being posted?

Next question, did the woman lie to the journalist/stringer, or did the journalist hand those to her, tell her to pose with them, and make up his/her own story?

taznar on August 15, 2007 at 11:50 AM

If there was ever any doubt that the French are stupid this should remove it.

pistolero on August 15, 2007 at 9:29 AM

Hey! Let’s be fair here, the french can’t know what fired bullets look like, never actually having fired any. Give these people a break!

Aylios on August 15, 2007 at 11:51 AM

AFP can hardly be called news anymore, but that woman in the picture is not Flat Fatima, she’s older, Iraqi and has Iraqi tribal tattoos on her face.

NoSubmission on August 15, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Journalists just keep getting stupider.

PRCalDude on August 15, 2007 at 11:56 AM

Isn’t that Moammar Gaddafi?

PRCalDude on August 15, 2007 at 11:57 AM

They must be getting their news from that Sgrena bitch from Italy (who “scooped up handfuls of bullets” when her car was shot up).

JinxMcHue on August 15, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Libs are so stupid that they don’t even know what a fired bullet looks like. Maybe if ANY of them had ever joined the military they might have a clue.

Mojave Mark on August 15, 2007 at 12:08 PM

“I heard those bullets had square backs on them also. But that would mean…

BadgerHawk on August 15, 2007 at 11:10 AM”

That only the Iraqi police carry the M1911A1.

N. O'Brain on August 15, 2007 at 12:09 PM

I wonder if they sent the bullet out for ballistics testing to prove that it was fired at innocent Iraqi citizens to show how inhuman our U.S. Soldiers are? OH WAIT THEY CAN”T, because the bullet was never fired in the first place. But they won’t let a little FACT like that get in the way of a “good human interest story”. As they say, Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.

KCtheKat on August 15, 2007 at 12:30 PM

Attention infidels! The imperialist monkeypig soldier who launched the attack on our poor old woman has been found!

angryoldfatman on August 15, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Libs are so stupid that they don’t even know what a fired bullet looks like. Maybe if ANY of them had ever joined the military they might have a clue.

Mojave Mark on August 15, 2007 at 12:08 PM

Anyone who’s ever fired a gun or rifle knows what a spent round looks like. One doesn’t even have to join the military to know that simple fact.

KCtheKat on August 15, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Bryan,

It’s the same woman as in the July 10 photo holding up an unfired bullet that had been removed from its casing (there was no deformation in the bullet nor rifling marks): http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=26666_Magic_Bullets_Discovered_in_Sadr_City_by_AFP_Photographer&only
It appears she got lazier.

PRCalDude on August 15, 2007 at 12:51 PM

I just noticed that if you look closely at the bullets they have a square back and could only be fired by a Glock.

frankj on August 15, 2007 at 12:54 PM

She’s a hottie

Alden Pyle on August 15, 2007 at 1:05 PM

Of course, the photo is from Agence France Presse. The French can hardly be expected to know what happens to a bullet that has actually been fired.

That one’s a beaut!

Redhead Infidel on August 15, 2007 at 1:15 PM

in the third picture on Black Five one of the “spent bullets” is pretty obviously a boat tail “high performance rifle bullet. the tip is deformed fairly consistantly with a well spent shot going into sand. however there are no rifleing marks on it.

the round in the rear is obviously a copper jacketed “pistol” bullet with rifleing and could be a fall back round from the dimwits shooting up into the air. however the hole in the tip is reminiscent of someone drilling the round in order to make it a “dumdum” bullet.

on second thought i’ll bet that both these rounds are the result of shooting into the air and the rounds falling back into a fairly soft landing. the silver one had probably been walked on a bit.

in certain towns in the middle east these would be laying all over the place.

the two pictures up above one is rounds fresh out of the box and the other is a strange reload bullet, lookes to be home cast and not that long ago.

C

pk on August 15, 2007 at 1:18 PM

I won’t pull a Johnny Fever and suggest that anyone else contact them, but I won’t discourage it either.

BOOGER!

ReubenJCogburn on August 15, 2007 at 1:20 PM

The bullet in the second photo looks larger than a 5.56 to me. Or it could be the camera angle trying to make it look larger and more ominous.

Patrap on August 15, 2007 at 1:32 PM

I’m jealous- the US military never throws any free ammo at my house. This is what I pay taxes for? To give free ammo to foreigners when there are plenty of Americans in need of free ammo? It’s a travesty I tell ya.

Hollowpoint on August 15, 2007 at 1:34 PM

The standard US Government issue round, the M855 has a green tip, the tracer round has a red tip,and the amour piercing one has a black tip. An unpainted tip cartridge is a commercial one, that is one not issued to a US Solder, Sailor or Marine. Jack

JackS on August 15, 2007 at 1:41 PM

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