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Audio: Laura Ingraham torches Ryan Sager

posted at 11:59 am on August 15, 2007 by Bryan
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In all fairness, and though his misreporting from Iowa was part of a pattern of less than accurate reporting on social cons, Sager has acknowledged that he should have reported the Brownback-Mother Teresa quote accurately. So this story, as a news story, is over.

On the other hand, this segment of Tuesday’s Laura Ingraham Show delves into other aspects of Sager’s slanted rant, tearing him a new one along the way.

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Bryan, Did you catch Robert Spencer today on her show? If not, check it out…

TheBigOldDog on August 15, 2007 at 12:10 PM

I had a chance to catch this yesterday – she nailed him good. I wish more of this type of spanking would take place.

jdawg on August 15, 2007 at 12:10 PM

I was hoping that you all would put up a post about this! Laura nailed another pelt to her wall.

baldilocks on August 15, 2007 at 12:13 PM

couldnt have a wider gulf in personality expressed through a picutre than these two.

Mike D. on August 15, 2007 at 12:17 PM

Man, he got spanked. Go Laura!

The ingenuousness of these open borders morons amazes me. All these victims would have been alive or unhurt if we JUST ENFORCED OUR BORDERS. How hard is it to get that?

Mojave Mark on August 15, 2007 at 12:24 PM

Ouch… She sure took a bite outta those lame excuse ridden responses he kept trying to give. The fact that Laura chopped him off every time he tried to flip the conversation over to race was sweet. Just once Id like to see one of these shamnesty defenders address the direct issue of legality. Lets face it, either we need to have imigration laws or not. This constant two face approach is going to get more and more people killed.

bigskinny on August 15, 2007 at 12:26 PM

Libertarians obviscate almost as well as liberals.

captivated_dem on August 15, 2007 at 12:46 PM

Laura is inaccurate on one point, when she brings up “second generation illegal immigrants.” Such a thing does not exist. The Fourteenth Amendment declares that ALL persons born in the United States are citizens. People can be here illegally, but if their children are born in this country, these offspring are not illegal aliens, they are legitimate citizens. We can argue that this is a silly provision and that John Bingham and the other framers of the Fourteenth Amendment would never have put it into the Constitution if they could have foreseen what we have today. But there it is, in black and white in the Constitution; there are no second generation illegal immigrants.

radjah shelduck on August 15, 2007 at 12:47 PM

Yes, I heard the interview last night.

Laura did a fine job with her comeback jabs at him. The touchy feely approach that Ryan Sager tries to push (and that NY SLIMES interview with the mother of the two NJ killers) is just another attempt to soften the criminal behavior of illegal aliens. This stuff will get us killed and allowed our country to be overrun, and for what purpose? So that more people will vote for the hardcore leftists Democrats? That more people will read the NY SLIMES?

The False Dervish on August 15, 2007 at 12:49 PM

A liberal elitist meets conservative intelligence….no contest. It would be funny if these lemmings weren’t so brainwashed that they all sing the same worn out talking points. The dimos have done agreat job in fixating their base on the hate and disdain they have for those who may have differing positions.

volsense on August 15, 2007 at 12:50 PM

The story as news may be over, but it’s never a bad time to torch Ryan Sanger. You go, Laura!!

thirteen28 on August 15, 2007 at 12:52 PM

This Jabroni kinda looks like Chris Hitchens but with about six genes missing.

TheSitRep on August 15, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Interesting discussion. However, for Laura’s point to be valid, I think she’d have to show that illegal immigrants are committing a higher percentage of violent crimes than other groups. Every group you can think of (except possibly “non-criminals”) has generated a few violent criminals.

It’s reasonable to insist on enforcement of immigration law, but I don’t know that merely coming up with a few examples of illegals who commit violent crimes really makes the case much stronger absent a showing of a propensity on the part of illegals to commit crimes (somebody might also come up with an example of an illegal who saved someone else’s life).

morganfrost on August 15, 2007 at 1:27 PM

radjah shelduck on August 15, 2007 at 12:47 PM

There are those that are citizens and then there are those that are born into the schizm of constitutional misinterpretation. The Supreme Court will one day, provide us with the correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment , and grandfather in those that came before this occurs. Citizen-lite is still citizen, I guess.

captivated_dem on August 15, 2007 at 1:28 PM

Interesting discussion. However, for Laura’s point to be valid, I think she’d have to show that illegal immigrants are committing a higher percentage of violent crimes than other groups. Every group you can think of (except possibly “non-criminals”) has generated a few violent criminals.

Wrong. Every single crime committed by illegals adds to our overall crime rate and adds real numbers of crime victims. If we enforced immigration law, these crimes would not occur (at least, not in the US). It doesn’t matter if they commit crimes at the same rate as citizens and legal residents — they’re committing crimes that are 100% preventable if we just enforced immigration law.

Bryan on August 15, 2007 at 1:30 PM

I’m not a big fan of the word hate, But I hate it when reporters misuse quotes by leaving out key words. For example, replacing Anti-”Illegal” Immigrants with quotes like Anti-Immigrants. The key word here is Illegal. Leaving out key words in quotes is deceitful in action, dishonest at best. These reporters should be called out and discredited. Good job on pointing out the pink elephant Laura.

KCtheKat on August 15, 2007 at 1:31 PM

That pic of Sager just made me nauseous.

infidel4life on August 15, 2007 at 2:03 PM

thank goodness for the 2nd amendment

oldernslower on August 15, 2007 at 2:08 PM

Liver lips… For a second there I thought she was interviewing Geraldo.

Babs on August 15, 2007 at 2:22 PM

Sager should ask for the money he expended on Tap Dancing Lessons back.

Laura took this punk to school and spanked him righteously.

Sorry I missed her show this morning.

Jack.

Jack Deth on August 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM

jdawg on August 15, 2007 at 12:10 PM
baldilocks on August 15, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Mike D. on August 15, 2007 at 12:17 PM
bigskinny on August 15, 2007 at 12:26 PM

Hey, I thought we were supposed to be anti-female. Did I miss the memo?

Harpoon on August 15, 2007 at 2:47 PM

Sager was correct on one very important point: This country was built by legal immigrants. I think we can all agree that legal immigrants who want to become Americans, who are willing to work hard to better their lives and the lives of those around them, and who are willing to obey the laws of this country are a Good Thing.

The REAL question is, do we have a legitimate interest in keeping out immigrants with criminal intent? Is it legitimate for us to want to keep out terrorists, gang bangers, thugs, and those who are willing to cause harm just to get their way? I would love to hear the answer to these questions from the amnesty crowd. To those of us in the pro-enforcement crowd, our answer is a very emphatic, “YES! We want, nay, we need to keep the sociopaths out of our country and it is entirely legitimate for us to do so.”

The only way to keep the lowlifes out is to create laws saying that they may not enter this country (we already have such laws), and then check out every person who wants to live here against the criteria established by those laws. Encouraging or accepting people bypassing those laws is not only accepting immigrants who are good for this country, it is also accepting the sociopaths who cause significant harm, including a notable number of murders each year.

While it is true that keeping the lowlifes out will not eliminate crime, it will reduce it, ultimately saving lives. There are people who are now dead who would be alive if we simply enforced our laws. If an argument that we can’t stop all crime, therefore we shouldn’t try were actually legitimate, then we would have already shut down the police departments, sheriff’s offices, FBI, and all other forms of law enforcement. It is humanly impossible to stop all crimes, yet we must try to do so. The alternative is to simply allow evil to crowd out all the good in this world. Just look at what’s happening in No Longer So Great Britan.

There’s one other major problem with Sagar’s argument. After his statement about this country having benefitted by immigration, he went on to argue that the laws were different then. While true, that is not an excuse for disobeying the laws now. If the laws are wrong, unworkable or unnecessarily strict, the solution is not to disobey them, but to change them. If he thinks it is legitimate to simply ignore laws that he doesn’t like, then he has no place to claim aggrieved status when someone else simply ignores a law they don’t like and harms him in the process.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if he was severely injured (say paralyzed) by an illegal immigrant?

EWTHeckman on August 15, 2007 at 2:50 PM

I can proove that every single illegal Alien is a criminal and is guilty of breaking our laws. Answers simple, lock the borders down. And for those that scream rascist, what about the rascism of allowing mexicans in the country at will while blocking the middle eastern, caucasion, asian etc? Only reason why no one gives a damn about the other groups is because they are not within walking distance of the US.

Wyrd on August 15, 2007 at 2:54 PM

Anyone else get the impression that this guy was reading cue cards and not thinking on his feet? Too many red herrings that had pauses in them like what most people do when they read out loud.

- The Cat

P.S. To Ryan Sager DC Talk – Jesus Freak

MirCat on August 15, 2007 at 2:55 PM

I love Laura!

Aylios on August 15, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Laura almost went (Jim) Cramer, but I LOVED it.
Yes, we need more of this, not less.

Christine on August 15, 2007 at 3:39 PM

radjah shelduck on August 15, 2007 at 12:47 PM

I think she meant the term “second generation illegal immigrant” to define children who are brought here after their parents come here illegally…the parents find work and then send for their children back home – so while technically you may be right, I think Laura’s definition sticks…

C-Hayes on August 15, 2007 at 3:53 PM

morganfrost on August 15, 2007 at 1:27 PM

If you have ever known, worked with or lived among illegal aliens, you would understand that law breaking is a pervasive and accepted fact of life.

Much of the crime is document fraud. But in Los Angeles, about 40% of county jail detainees are illegal immigrants. These people represent a drain on our law enforcement resources.

Furthermore their communities are often unwilling to cooperate with law enforcement. Our passive approach to dealing with illegal alien scofflaws breeds the violent criminals Laura Ingraham was railing against.

The Race Card on August 15, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Bryan on August 15, 2007 at 1:30 PM

What he said.

The Race Card on August 15, 2007 at 4:22 PM

Ryan is nothing more than a moral relativist.

He is inetllectually and morally unable to understand the following:

1. Distinction between legal and illegal
2. Difference between murder committed by legal resident vs illegal residenst (hey Ryan here is the cliff note on this one: THERE WOULD BE NO MURDER BY ILLEGALS IF THEY NEVER MADE IT IN THE COUNTRY). And yes, BOTH are wrong.
3. Responsibility, accountability and maturity.

It seems pretty clear that Ryan has grown up in a bubble of security.

Montana on August 15, 2007 at 4:36 PM

I guess liberalism was invented because ugly beta males can try to control everyone else because they ain’t gett’n laid.

Speakup on August 15, 2007 at 6:39 PM

Yeah libs, The chicks are dudish and the dudes are chickish.

TheSitRep on August 15, 2007 at 9:56 PM

If we enforced immigration law, these crimes would not occur (at least, not in the US). It doesn’t matter if they commit crimes at the same rate as citizens and legal residents — they’re committing crimes that are 100% preventable if we just enforced immigration law.

Bryan on August 15, 2007 at 1:30 PM

There you go again, Bryan, using logic. Way to go man, just insult the liberals and their feelings, why don’t ya?

Troy Rasmussen on August 15, 2007 at 11:00 PM

What an ass-whippin’!!!

DfDeportation on August 15, 2007 at 11:15 PM

The Fourteenth Amendment declares that ALL persons born in the United States are citizens. People can be here illegally, but if their children are born in this country, these offspring are not illegal aliens, they are legitimate citizens.

radjah shelduck on August 15, 2007 at 12:47 PM

You are incorrect. While judges have allowed an eggregious misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to suggest that it means such, that is NOT what it says.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

The fact is that the clause in bold above had a very clear purpose when written; to limit the granting of automatic citizenship to only those persons born while subject to the jurisdiction of the United States of America. This specific clause was carried over from similar British and Continental European laws going back several centuries, and it was universally accepted that a child born to parents present within a nation unlawfully, are NOT conferred citizenship of that nation. That interpretation stands to this day throughout Europe. It is only the unfortunate and improperly rendered 1982 Plyler v. Doe decision that strikes out the intent of this key clause.

The Supreme Court’s ruling in Plyler v. Doe[3] stated that illegal immigrants are “within the jurisdiction” of the states in which they reside, and added in a footnote that “no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.”

The justices clearly failed an English test in being able to read the words, yet still pretend they aren’t there. Did they really believe that the legislature included that phrase for the sole purpose of clarifying the status of children born to foreign diplomats while on U.S. soil? Because that’s the only condition left to which it now applies, and thus the “anchor baby” is born.

Plyler v. Doe must be reversed, and the Amendment must return to being understood as written, and we can move forward from there with one less immigration problem to solve.

I love the righteous indignation from Laura, and while Sager is clearly a fairly decent and moderately sharp guy, he really had to work hard at playing dumb in order to “miss the point”, that crimes committed by illegals wouldn’t happen here if they weren’t here. To compare it with crimes committed by citizens is irrelevant within the context of the discussion, and he knows better. But like the MSM, once he took his stand he wasn’t going to give ground in the face of a solid argument against him, so instead he just sounded foolish, and opened himself up to a whoopin’, and Laura eagerly obliged.

Freelancer on August 16, 2007 at 2:41 AM

sager is a terrorist-hugging infidel who doesn’t care if our children burn their mouths on “chipolte” peppers.

HE IS A MONSTERRRRR!!!!

jummy on August 16, 2007 at 11:20 AM

why, did you know that he doesn’t even want to supplant the constitution with the gospels? how unamerican!

jummy on August 16, 2007 at 11:22 AM

If we enforced immigration law, these crimes would not occur (at least, not in the US). It doesn’t matter if they commit crimes at the same rate as citizens and legal residents — they’re committing crimes that are 100% preventable if we just enforced immigration law.

Bryan on August 15, 2007 at 1:30 PM

awesomely honest. that’s quantum honesty.

that’s like when anti-military progressives quote the homelessness, substance-abuse, homicide, suicide and domestic abuse figures for veterans and say that military service caused these rates, even though they’re less than in the general population.

they, but the way, draw a very meaningful distinction too: they “support the troops” by “opposing the war”.

jummy on August 16, 2007 at 11:28 AM

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