Open thread: The obligatory “Rove resigns” post; Update: Rove gets emotional
posted at 8:32 am on August 13, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Just waking up to this. MM is not sorry to see him go and thinks he could have done us a favor by quitting last year. Probably true. The die on Plame had already been cast by then and Jorge Arbusto surely wouldn’t have needed Rove around to get him excited about shamnesty, but who knows what it might have meant to the U.S. Attorney scandal and to the strategic masterstroke of pulling the ripcord on Rumsfeld the day after the election instead of weeks before.
I’m wondering now what this does to his executive privilege claim vis-a-vis Congress. Nothing, probably — the attorney-client privilege applies to lawyer-client communications made during the course of the representation even after the lawyer’s been fired, so presumably this works the same way. The timing does seem awfully coincidental, though.
Feel free to sound off. I doubt he’ll be replaced, but suggestions are welcome. If Harold Ford is right about the left having been handed a “Hoover moment,” Rove more so than anyone except possibly Dick Cheney is responsible for it. He set out to build a permanent Republican majority and may have ended up with a permanent Democratic one. There’s his epitaph.
Update: The Diggbats rejoice. The left naturally suspects some new scandal is about to drop such that the White House wants to ease the culprit, or at least its biggest lightning rod, out the door before the lightning strikes. I think it might be more a case of unloading some dead weight before the Iraq showdown next month. Bush needs whatever public support he can scrounge up in the interim. This won’t hurt on that count.
Update: The White House has called a presser. We’ll probably have video.
Update: E.M. thinks it’s timed to let him hook on with one of the campaigns, likely Fred’s. If so, they’d better guard the work he does for them like a state secret. The last thing the Republican nominee wants is to make the Dems’ job of painting him as the next Bush any easier.
For the record, Rove says he’s sitting out the race.
Update: Here’s the presser. MC Rove turns out to be a big ol’ softie.
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If anything, someone just pulled the fangs right out of the mouth of the left-wing machine. They just lost their #1 Boogeyman. Now who are they going to have to rant and rave about?
pilamaye on August 13, 2007 at 8:34 AM
Rove, you magnificent… oh, wait. Nevermind.
Frozen Tex on August 13, 2007 at 8:37 AM
I’m actually not sorry to see him go myself. Like Pilamaye, I’m wondering what the left will do now. Oh well they still have Darth Vader. I’m somewhat intriqued though as to why he didn’t stick it out until after Gen. Petreaus (sp?) gives his report. Oh well, sure Timmy Russert, The Worst Person in the World, perky couric, et. al. will all have their conspiracy theories to tell the world.
Catie96706 on August 13, 2007 at 8:43 AM
Cheney is still there…
Alas poor turdblossom…wont miss him.
zane on August 13, 2007 at 8:43 AM
Rove’s departure is a non-issue for Bush and the Republicans. In the left’s world, Bush and Republicans can do nothing right. If Bush discovered a cure for cancer, the left would rant about the unemployed oncologists. On the other hand, Bush has so ignored and insulted the right, I doubt much of anything is going to bring anyone back into the Bush camp.
windbag on August 13, 2007 at 8:49 AM
I like Rove. The fact that he drives lefty moonbats crazy is enough.
elBarto on August 13, 2007 at 8:49 AM
Wait, wait, wait. How is the Bush administration going to pull off another 9/11 without Karl Rove? Or control the weather? Or push down bridges? Or melt steel on overpasses? I mean, Cheney can only do so much. Perhaps another is waiting in the wings. Perhaps Satan (in church lady voice)???
/do I need to add the sarcastic thingie??
mjk on August 13, 2007 at 8:52 AM
A COMPLETE non-issue to me. This administration leaves in a year anyway. So the guy gets a head start on finding another job. Big deal.
asc85 on August 13, 2007 at 8:53 AM
One wonders whether he’ll still be a target for Democratic umbrage upon his departure.
drjohn on August 13, 2007 at 8:53 AM
Without the protection of the White House, what will be coming at Rove in the coming weeks and months…..years? The big fish that got away story, won’t be going away soon.
captivated_dem on August 13, 2007 at 8:53 AM
I really like Karl Rove, he will be missed.
Complete7 on August 13, 2007 at 8:54 AM
Probably. The dems will hold hearings, have investigations, go on MSNBC with all the talking heads – anything to avoid actually working for the American people and doing their jobs.
pullingmyhairout on August 13, 2007 at 8:57 AM
Retreat under fire will only embolden your opponent.
Oh wait,
AQthe Dems are already pretty bold.TunaTalon on August 13, 2007 at 9:00 AM
So he basically did what the previous political adviser (Carville) did. I bet this poster won’t mention Clinton.
Nevertheless, a plague on both Rove and Carville.
And I disagree, AP, that this will help Bush before Petraeus gives his report in September. Those that are dead set against the war will remain dead set, and this includes Republicans too.
mram on August 13, 2007 at 9:01 AM
The article I read (sorry can’t remember where) said that administration officials were told that if they stayed on past Sept 1, they’d be expected to stay until the end of the term. So if he wanted to go, he had to go now.
Farmer_Joe on August 13, 2007 at 9:01 AM
No handcuffs, no perp walk, no jail time.
I’d say, in some small way, the Dems have been jilted since they no longer have him as a whipping boy.
It’s also one less unnecessary Dem committeed inquiry America has to hear about.
madmonkphotog on August 13, 2007 at 9:01 AM
I highly doubt that. If things are going well in Iraq, the GOP is likely to take the House back and keep the White House. The Dems don’t have a platform, they have no message save for “Bush sucks!” and the Donkey Kongress has accomplished right next door to nothing, with their key achievements being the polar opposites of what they promised the Left Wing Noise Machine.
The Dems have one chance to make that come to pass. If it’s going to happen, we’ve got a war to lose.
Pablo on August 13, 2007 at 9:06 AM
I agree with what pullingmyhairout (8:57) seems to be suggesting – I can see a Dem call for a Congressional investigation, with full subpoena powers, to uncover the as-yet unknown scandal over which Karl is resigning.
eeyore on August 13, 2007 at 9:07 AM
Rove resigns, and nobody blinks.
Hmmm….
Lawrence on August 13, 2007 at 9:07 AM
The “rats” will be very disappointed. They were counting on having Rove around for their photo-op investigations for at least another year. I suspect the VP’s Office will be the new target.
highhopes on August 13, 2007 at 9:08 AM
hey don’t hate on digg…the kiddies who post comments maybe tinfoil hat types…but its an awesome site
ernesto on August 13, 2007 at 9:09 AM
Well, I certainly don’t agree with Michelle that had Rove resigned a year earlier, things might somehow be better for the Republican Party…and I think most people have since forgotten about problems like the Harriet Meirs choice…
Of course the Left is going to wet their britches over this…but it’ll fade soon. Too much is going to be going on this election cycle.
I just don’t see this as being as big a deal as it’s being made out to be….By September, it won’t even be remembered.
JetBoy on August 13, 2007 at 9:11 AM
He’d pretty much outlived his usefulness, so wish him well and know that this news will just ruin the day for most of the left.
Anything that drives them nuts is fine by me.
JammieWearingFool on August 13, 2007 at 9:14 AM
He should have waited until Petraus’ report in mid-September. Bailing out just two weeks before the Surge Showdown is just a little too curious if you ask me.
Now, with regard to this statement by AP:
There has never been an explanation for this disastrous move. Bush and Rove HAD to know that they could have helped the GOP candidates big time by dumping Rummy before the election. It would have demonstrated that he was indeed undertaking the change of course in Iraq that so many were demanding.
Now for the moonbat tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that has been niggling at my brain lo these many months, but which I have heretofore never had the guts to disclose for fear of being labeled a moonbat tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist:
Maybe Bush was so determined to establish his Shamnesty legacy that he was willing to sacrifice a few GOP seats in the House and Senate in order to ensure a Dem majority and increase the likelihood of passage of the Shamnesty bill which would have been, in my mind, one of the greatest betrayals of the American people in history.
IrishEi on August 13, 2007 at 9:14 AM
Ha! He resigned, but he really didn’t resign…he will still be pulling the strings. Resignation is just a strategy.
This man is the most evil intelligent man ever invented by the left. He will always be manipulating events. The left needs him more than we do.
right2bright on August 13, 2007 at 9:15 AM
Mile wide nets and teams of scuba divers are being deploye as we speak.
captivated_dem on August 13, 2007 at 9:16 AM
Karl who? Never heard of him.
CyberCipher on August 13, 2007 at 9:17 AM
Well, this can’t be good.
Who’s gonna’ do the job of generating hurricanes, tsunamis, bridge & mine collapses, Global Warming, and all the other disasters?…Who will be responsible for outing undercover CIA Superspies?…Who will be assigned the job of hiring youths of middle-eastern descent, to hijack airliners full of innocent people, and fly them into buildings full of innocent people?…Who will be the president’s brain?
Life without Karl Rove may turn America into a Kite-Flying Paradise.
That can’t be good.
On the other hand, he could go to work for Rudy, or Mitt, or Fred!…And, life would return to normal.
franksalterego on August 13, 2007 at 9:22 AM
Well, yes… but it beats the crap out of them going to work and passing legislation, doesn’t it? That’s the last thing I want Democrats doing.
Laura on August 13, 2007 at 9:23 AM
He always seemed to be about demographics. Which was great and brilliant, up to the point where his strategies were proven tragically counterproductive (shamnesty). Ann Coulter was really early and prescient about Rove’s miscalculations, when she blasted the 2004 election as being far too close (I agree). To the degree he was responsible for any New Tone-ism, that has ultimately proven to be the most serious mistake.
Halley on August 13, 2007 at 9:24 AM
Maybe Bush and Rove wanted the dems to take the house and senate to remind people the dems are a bunch of do nothing blow hards. The Dems have done more since the last election to make themselves look like idiots in congress then anyone could have imagined. The approval ratings are lower then the president.
elBarto on August 13, 2007 at 9:25 AM
Remember, Rommel committed suicide too.
Speakup on August 13, 2007 at 9:25 AM
Thank you Lord. The market looks good, Rove is out the day looks good.
unseen on August 13, 2007 at 9:26 AM
YOU GUYS DON’T FOOL ME ANYMORE!
Karl Rove is behind this resignation!
Ropera on August 13, 2007 at 9:29 AM
Allah, you are so correct here.
I also think that Rove and Bush singlehandedly gave the Democrats a lasting, permanent majority.
What about the “Ownership Society” theme that Bush talked about in his first term? Why did Bush and Rove abandon the theme of the “Ownership Society?” Instead, they went to Iraq, gave us the bloated Medicare part D prescription drug program, attempted Sham-nesty 3 separate times, and caused the loss of the House and Senate.
If Bush and Rove had stuck with the “Ownership Society”, they would have picked up Democrat seats even in Blue States. If Bush and Rove had stressed the direct connection between operational “Border Security” and the “War on Terror,” then the GOP would have gained Democrat seats, and not have lost any.
ColtsFan on August 13, 2007 at 9:30 AM
Discouraged by previous attempts at re-capture, high power sonar was utilized in the search, as dolphin and sea life perished in the tracking of numerous ghost images, that had to be the one.
captivated_dem on August 13, 2007 at 9:30 AM
It would not surprise me.
Bush ran as a “conservative” in order to beat McCain. While in office, he governed as a liberal, “Medicare Part D,” “No Child Left Behind,” repeated attempts at Sham-nesty.
I salute Bush for the Supreme Court justices that he has placed on the bench. But Bush and Rove have been a big disappointment to conservatives.
ColtsFan on August 13, 2007 at 9:36 AM
Christmas in August!
jambus59 on August 13, 2007 at 9:37 AM
Rove is the sort of slime ball that exists under rocks all over DC. The fact that he worked for a “conservative” doesn’t make it ok. I’m not sad to see him go.
And yeah, it’s sad that I have to put conservative in quotes when referring to any member of the GOP.
Benaiah on August 13, 2007 at 9:37 AM
Same with me. Conservatism and the “battle of ideas” went BACKWARDS, not forward, with Rove and Bush.
ColtsFan on August 13, 2007 at 9:39 AM
The tin-foil hat brigade is going to get really confused (assuming they have operating brains). Karl Rove will be a private citizen, not part of the Executive Branch, so not protected from subpoenas by the separation of powers.
corona on August 13, 2007 at 9:42 AM
captivated_dem on August 13, 2007 at 9:44 AM
George Costanza did it!
And destroyed the last shred of his career at the same time.
Rove lost effectiveness in the Summer of 2004.
Bush lost his when his first “political capital” spending idea was about social security reform after winning the election that fall.
Instead of working on border security, finally destroying Bin Laden’s gang, or starting a Manhattan Project for merican Energy Independence, he pledged to do something so abstract and uninspiring that 2006 was no surprise.
Rove, feh!
profitsbeard on August 13, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Rove is resigning just to distract the world away from Ron Paul’s fifth place staning in the Straw Poll. He’s like some sort of Samuri or something.
BohicaTwentyTwo on August 13, 2007 at 9:55 AM
One thing to consider, policy aspects aside. Rove’s techniques (microtargeting critical voters in key districts) will live on, and every political campaign will attempt to master and use those techniques for a generation. His policy mistakes aside, his political techniques are what we should most remember Rove for.
JDinSC on August 13, 2007 at 9:57 AM
The rumour that he actually killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson is not true.
TheSitRep on August 13, 2007 at 10:02 AM
The cupboard is bare. Rove, Rummy, Cheney on the ropes. Ashcroft gone. GW is left with Manny(Gonzales), Moe (Chirtoff), and Jack(Hughes)….throw in Foggy Bottom disease with Rice, and a freezer full of RINO’s in congress. No wonder Hillary is laughing in the corner.
Limerick on August 13, 2007 at 10:12 AM
I am stunned that both of you can credit one person for a permanent Democratic majority.
Apparently, Karl Rove is just like Bush…to blame for everything.
Walk away from your “edumacation” (however it occurred – public school or Harvard) and think. Please.
Miss_Anthrope on August 13, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Try looking at this from Rove’s POV-he’s done a great job,gotten his friend President Bush re-elected; it’s time to move on, not dictated by moveon.org. Meaning that when he decides to leave, on his terms, that is a success. I personally would have wanted to get away from the mud buckets of hate the Left has been lobbing at him a long time ago.
Karl, thanks for the great work.
Doug on August 13, 2007 at 10:13 AM
I hope Rove doesn’t sign on with our next candidate. I want Newt to be Karl Rove to the next Republican president.
aero on August 13, 2007 at 10:14 AM
……..pinging could be heard as far east as Lisbon. Spanish fishermen, who had lost their livelihood, vowed to join the search. Elsewhere, a sperm whale was found beached on the coast of Cork, Ireland. Upon examination, the whale had apparently eaten tons of documents and e-mails of unknown origin. “Smales fishy ta me.”,stated a local fisherman who wished to remain anonymous………
captivated_dem on August 13, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Ditto.
CP on August 13, 2007 at 10:16 AM
It was the non-conservative policies of George W. that caused the disastrous political context that led to the establishment of a permanent Democrat majority. Bush ran as a conservative, and he governed as a liberal.
And Karl Rove, as Bush himself calls him, was the “Architect.”
ColtsFan on August 13, 2007 at 10:20 AM
Karl will probably help Fred out. you watch.
TheSitRep on August 13, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Hot Air turncoats
tomas on August 13, 2007 at 10:30 AM
I agree with base story. Rove is going to take a month or two off and chill. Then hopefully, he will start working on whipping the GOP back into shape (Clear Message) or work on Presidential Campaign.
I wonder if Hillary would hire him. Image Karl and the Raging’Cajun working togather. By Summer of 2008,we all will be say “Hiel Hillary” and goosestepping into a new socialist (facism with a smile) state.
Wuptdo on August 13, 2007 at 10:34 AM
Yeah. Rove though they were too wedded to the social programs. Sad, seems in his desire to make a Republican majority the big idea lost to the calculation of continuous power.
I don’t believe in D permanent anything though.
Spirit of 1776 on August 13, 2007 at 10:35 AM
Good riddance to the chief RINO engineer.
Valiant on August 13, 2007 at 10:38 AM
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captivated_dem on August 13, 2007 at 10:39 AM
I don’t know if this is good news or not. Tammy Bruce was on Fox this morning and said she had insider info that Rove hasn’t been involved with Bush strategy for almost two years now, hince the disconnect of average Americans. That Bush had/has moved more towards Rice and Baker.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Rove get behind Newt.
moonsbreath on August 13, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Perhaps Rove is resigning to show the nutroots that rather than being power-hungry, the Bush personnel are content to serve their time in office and then move on (no pun intended) to whatever else awaits. After Dubya steps down, the nutroots will go into withdrawal, not having him to pick on anymore, except in the historical sense.
Bigfoot on August 13, 2007 at 11:13 AM
Rove says he’s sitting out the race, probably because Fred just hasn’t jumped in yet.
otcconan on August 13, 2007 at 11:16 AM
A lot of unknown and trollish new commenters. Was registration opened recently by any chance?
Professor Blather on August 13, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Rove has been the death of the Republican party. Period. Because of his calculus, they went after the whole shamnesty thing, even though Latinos only made up 6% of registered voters in the 2006 elections.
Vaya con DiosDon’t let the door hit you on the way out, Rove.PRCalDude on August 13, 2007 at 11:31 AM
if this was a few years ago I might’ve been sad. Lately Rove went from turd blossom to architect to a big turd
See ya man
Defector01 on August 13, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Exactly. The entire ‘Prescription drug benefit’ was passed by Republicans b/c Bush told them it would shift the Democratic-voting seniors toward the Republicans. Guess who’s idea that was? Not Bush’s. Rove’s. Bush doesn’t think. Guess what? The prescription drug plan didn’t change senior voting patterns one iota. It’s still 53/47% in favor of the Dems. The shamnesty thinking went the same way.
PRCalDude on August 13, 2007 at 11:35 AM
What she said.
Kowboy on August 13, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Adios Rove.
Bad Candy on August 13, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Will Tom Tancredo get an invitation to the White House, now that Rove quit, AND he recieved 14% of the vote in the Iowa Straw Poll?
DfDeportation on August 13, 2007 at 11:50 AM
BDS has spread through HA like HIV through Africa.
TheBigOldDog on August 13, 2007 at 12:14 PM
My sides hurt from laughing so hard.
TheBigOldDog on August 13, 2007 at 12:19 PM
You mean rant and ROVE about?
Mazztek on August 13, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Everything isn’t a conspiracy…unless you’re The Left.
SouthernGent on August 13, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Very good point! :)
pullingmyhairout on August 13, 2007 at 12:28 PM
And so it goes…
CharlestonCritic on August 13, 2007 at 12:42 PM
I can’t see how Rove is to blame for the recent democratic success. They have became a party of character assasination and half truths. To lay their lunacy at the feet of Karl Rove, seems lacking.
MarkB on August 13, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Shamnesty. That was Rove’s calculus.
PRCalDude on August 13, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Tom-I-Think-It’s-Time-To-Try-Enforcement-Without-Amnesty-Tancredo? Invited to the White House? Well maybe as a human pinata for Karl Rove’s Bon Voyage party.
NightmareOnKStreet on August 13, 2007 at 1:18 PM
ping!………….
captivated_dem on August 13, 2007 at 1:19 PM
When the Left and the Right are happy that one leaves, it must be a brilliant decision.
Laura, you magnificent woman! The last thing I’d like this congress to do is legislate. So long as they pontificate, the country is somewhat ok. The minority has been more focused and more effective since Nov. 2006, which is a shame, but a reality.
The WH still has the biggest mike and Mr. Cheney is probably next.
Entelechy on August 13, 2007 at 1:31 PM
Correction – s/b “the biggest mic”
Entelechy on August 13, 2007 at 1:51 PM
If Rove got Bush elected instead of Albore & John-Genghis-Khan-Kerry, isn’t that enough to bid him a fond farewell?
Good question, Professor.
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NightmareOnKStreet on August 13, 2007 at 1:55 PM
from Drudge:
CBS WH Reporter yells to Bush: ‘If he’s so smart, how come you lost Congress?’
bnelson44 on August 13, 2007 at 2:20 PM
BFD. Call me crazy but I still think he’ll have GWB’s cell number. And I agree with a poster above…I loved that he drove the moonbats crazy. When Kos is sitting in his hot tub with his life partner, now they’ll one less male to fantasize about when they play prison sex.
LtE126 on August 13, 2007 at 2:22 PM
Why do you (and AP maybe) believe that all of this led to a permanent democratic majority? While your criticisms of Bush and Rove are valid, and their mistakes certainly contributed in no small part to the state of the Republican party at the present, I hardly think a permanent democratic majority will be the result.
What do they have to run on? They won in ‘06 not so much on their own strengths but Republican weakness. You don’t establish a permanent majority without something positive to offer, and I have yet to see it from the democrats – or yet to see that the American people want to make them a permanent majority given that the Pelosi-Reid congress has lower approval ratings than even Bush does at this point.
thirteen28 on August 13, 2007 at 2:34 PM
I agree with Allahpundit’s opinion on this subject.
Allah has written a post on this very subject in the past.
ColtsFan on August 13, 2007 at 3:33 PM
he failed to produce hurricanes this year, so I knew his time was up
jediwebdude on August 13, 2007 at 3:49 PM
1. You owe me a new keyboard.
2. Before you start calling Rove a slacker in this area, take a look at this. It’s going to be named Dean, obviously as in Howard Dean – Rove making sure a Democrat gets the blame! And it’ll sweep away all those pesky border agents and Minute Men who have people all stirred up against a comprehensive immigration plan, so it’s clearly Rove’s parting shot. You’ll be reading about it on DKos in 5, 4, 3…
Laura on August 13, 2007 at 3:57 PM
Well, with all due respect, I think it’s way too early to conclude or even infer that the debacle of the last few years has handed the Democrats a permanent majority. They only have a slim majority in congress now, and that is almost entirely based on Republican mistakes rather than their own agenda. Even the WaPo piece co-authored by Harold Ford acknowledged that you cannot build a permanent majority based entirely on your opponents own mistakes (citing the Carter presidency in the wake of Watergate as an excellent example).
And the “positive agenda” they discuss in the piece? Color me underwhelmed. There are many other reasons as well why it would be foolish to concede a permanent majority to Democrats at this point.
It’s time for Republicans to stop being so freakin’ wimpy and defeatist and stop conceding next years presidential election and a permanent majority to the Democrats. Perhaps, ColtsFan, you should take an example from your favorite QB, who didn’t concede defeat in last year’s AFC championship even when down 21-3 with the specter of previous playoff failures hanging over their head. If he would have done what you and AP were doing regarding this topic, you would have seen yet another failure.
Buck up.
thirteen28 on August 13, 2007 at 4:45 PM
Well, according to Roseanne Barr, he’s going to be behind Romney. That’s a credible news sousce isn’t it?
PowWow on August 13, 2007 at 4:53 PM
Without Rove, Gore would have been President on 09/11.
For that alone we should be thankful.
On Hillary Rodham Clinton: “a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate.” Nice parting shot.
Have a great life, Mr. Rove. I wish you well.
doingwhatican on August 13, 2007 at 5:03 PM
It’s a trick, a trick I tell you. Karl Rove “says” he will resign. It’s just a smoke screen. He’s planning something big. By saying he’s “retired”, he’s trying to provide some plausible deniability. What a dastardly eveil puppetter he is.
— The Left
hadsil on August 13, 2007 at 5:41 PM
I agree that the Democrats have not done anything either.
I was only agreeing with Allah’s analysis…
Both Allah (I am sure) and I were/am not advocating “waving the white flag in utter defeat, and conceding everything to the Democrats.” Fighting the good fight is necessary and vital even when the electoral statistics are stacked against us. It is just that Rove & Bush made the journey a lot tougher (an almost impossible uphill climb) for the conservative base because of their bad choices. Bush & Rove had an opportunity, and it is now lost.
I cannot find Allah’s original article right now. But he made some very good points.
ColtsFan on August 13, 2007 at 6:49 PM
This comment wins the Diggbat thread imo:
“He’s still a phone call away. In fact now with less of a spotlight on him he’s more dangerous than ever.”
aengus on August 13, 2007 at 6:51 PM
No such thing as a permanent majority. The trend in American electoral politics suggest that America is a 50/50 nation. The scales could tip in either direction depending on innumerable factors. I wouldn’t place any bets on the outcome of 2008.
aengus on August 13, 2007 at 6:58 PM
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