Ryan Sager: Misreporting from Iowa
posted at 6:42 pm on August 13, 2007 by Bryan
The NY Sun sent libertarian Ryan Sager out to Iowa to report on the GOP Straw Poll. Within an overall slam of all things Iowan and Republican, Sager delivers this flourish.
The face of the Republican Party in Iowa is the face of a losing party, full of hatred toward immigrants, lust for government subsidies, and the demand that any Republican seeking the office of the presidency acknowledge that he’s little more than Jesus Christ’s running mate. The pandering from the stage told the story. Mr. Romney promised not a chicken in every pot, but “a button on every computer” for parents to block obscene material. Anti-immigrant ranter Tom Tancredo nearly brought the house down decrying the fact that Americans sometimes have to “Press 1″ for English. Mr. Huckabee earned his second-place finish in part by making the specious claim that farm subsidies safeguard America’s food independence. (You think it’s bad depending on foreign oil, Mr. Huckabee asked? “Wait until our country messes up and has to depend on foreign food.”) Senator Brownback of Kansas, the third-place finisher, declared as he often does in his stump speech: “All for Jesus. All for Jesus. All for Jesus. All for Jesus.”
Rep. Tancredo along with the vast majority of Republicans is not “anti-immigrant,” as Sager would have it, but pro-enforcement — he favors the enforcement of existing immigration law. Tancredo is consistent in that stance, and Sager is just as consistent in misconstruing Tancredo and anyone else on the pro-enforcement side as “anti-immigrant.” Sager does this because he takes the extreme libertarian view that the border ought to be open to all, and anyone who disagrees with him can’t be doing so on a reasonable basis because they have in mind national security or the rule of law; it must be bigotry at work. As for what Sager reports that Romney said and what Huckabee said, I haven’t seen the entire event but based on Sager’s characterization of what Brownback said (and let the jury note that having produced this ad, I’m no water-carrier for Brownback) Sager’s report is not likely to be entirely consistent with the facts. On Brownback, Sager writes:
Senator Brownback of Kansas, the third-place finisher, declared as he often does in his stump speech: “All for Jesus. All for Jesus. All for Jesus. All for Jesus.”
The impression given is of a Christian cheerleader leading a chant. But according to Byron York and the highlight reel of the actual event, Brownback was quoting Mother Teresa, not “declaring” anything:
Brownback explained that he met Mother Teresa once, when she came to Congress, and he was given the assignment of accompanying her to her car: “As I put her in the car, she grabbed my hand, she looked me in the eyes and said three words four times: ‘All for Jesus. All for Jesus. All for Jesus. All for Jesus.’ It was her faith that powered her to help millions. Faith is a good thing, not a bad thing.” Now, you can argue one way or the other about whether Brownback was saying a president should govern by Mother Teresa’s words. But “All for Jesus” was his quotation of her statement to him.
It’s probably the sentence about faith being a good thing that vexes Sager to the point of nearly Dowdifying what Brownback actually said. Such a reaction would be consistent for young Sager.
You can watch a highlight reel here for yourself. The section about Mother Teresa is at the 4:06:00 mark.
If Sager’s report were to be taken by itself, we’re looking merely at a couple of errors in fact that ought to be corrected, but such errors are consistent with Sager’s tone and reporting over the course of his career. In his reporting Sager is consistently hostile to social conservatives and anything that even carries a mild whiff of Christianity. Along with that, Sager periodically announces the end of the libertarian/conservative alliance, though no one follows his one-man walkouts. In fact, reading his work over the past several years, one could reasonably conclude that he’s bigoted against Christians and would prefer a world in which Christians are uniquely disallowed from participating in electoral politics. If that isn’t his stance, he should feel free to email me what his stance on Christians in politics actually is. I do know for a fact that Sager is an unreliable chronicler of events he has witnessed because his worldview gets in the way.
So take his reporting this election season with a massive grain of salt.
Update (AP): Here’s the “All for Jesus” clip.
Update (bp): Return volley from Sager, return from York. If Sager really thinks that Brownback is resorting to “tribalism,” well, Ryan Sager has never seen tribalism. Probably hasn’t even been to a high school football game. Byron York has the last word for now:
On the larger issue, maybe Sager is right. Maybe he’s wrong. But if you’re reporting on an event, the point is this: If you’re quoting someone, say so. If you’re quoting someone quoting someone else, say so. We have punctuation marks specifically for that purpose, regardless of what you, the writer, think is the higher truth. That kind of stuff matters.
Yup.
Update: Denoument.










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Hes a member of the MSM did you expect objectivity ?
William Amos on August 13, 2007 at 6:44 PM
Actually he’s only recently a member of the MSM, and that’s if you count the NY Sun as MSM (to me it’s more of an alternative paper with a conservative edge). He’s been blogging and freelancing op-eds for a few years now.
Bryan on August 13, 2007 at 6:47 PM
True. We have Mainstream Networks then the big Newspapers then we have Blogs and the sub newspapers.
But this is the new face of the libertarian party. I think what we are seeing in this article is seething that Ron Paul didnt win outright. Because he is the only man that can save america
William Amos on August 13, 2007 at 6:52 PM
Yet, a very quick learner!
On-my-soap-box on August 13, 2007 at 6:53 PM
Another reason why I don’t particularly care for most of what finds it’s way out of NY, NY.
jdkchem on August 13, 2007 at 6:53 PM
He’s a poo-poo head.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 13, 2007 at 6:56 PM
And another reason why I bolted from the libertarian party.
jdkchem on August 13, 2007 at 6:57 PM
Reminder – Buy water/liquid proof keyboard.
jdkchem on August 13, 2007 at 6:58 PM
jdkchem, I agree in one case–RUDY.
sandman on August 13, 2007 at 7:00 PM
I’m a libertarian, Sager is just a douche
libertytexan on August 13, 2007 at 7:01 PM
he seems angry
trailortrash on August 13, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Sager and the Libertarians want what now? Oh, yeah, not open but no boarders, no defense other than that paid for with contributions and drugs everywhere to be bought. If he were a dempcrap it would be the same except the drugs would be free…government paid for.
oldernslower on August 13, 2007 at 7:06 PM
Mr. Romney promised not a chicken in every pot, but “a button on every computer” for parents to block obscene material.
Ok, so did Mitt actually say something akin to this? That’s bad news.
Ever notice how “compassionate conservatism” is close to the current definition of Liberalism plus God?
Krydor on August 13, 2007 at 7:09 PM
trailortrash (I feel like I’m name calling),
That was my first thought too.
He comes off as hostile.
Why all the anger Ryan Sager?
terryannonline on August 13, 2007 at 7:10 PM
A typical New York elitist who’ll never understand flyover country. I lived in Cedar Rapids for 4 years and other than the winters there’s no place in the country I’d rather live.
bdfaith on August 13, 2007 at 7:25 PM
You guys don’t want to piss libertarians off so much they end up voting for Hillary in the general…crazier things have happened, and you’ll need all the votes you can get.
They’re a feisty bunch, not always fair, but consistent.
JaHerer22 on August 13, 2007 at 7:26 PM
The NY Sun, yeah that’s going to influence people. What is it 4th or 5th in circulation in that city? Maybe 6th after USA Today?
Well, if we all try really hard, and get really upset over this nobody, maybe we can give him a new career the way conservatives helped bring Rosie back from the
all you can eat buffetdead.doufree on August 13, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Has Sager ever been spotted in the same room as Mr. Bean?
Jim Treacher on August 13, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Krydor – Why is that “bad news”? What is wrong with giving parents the ability to … you know … parent? Sounds pretty much like the V-Chip (or whatever it is) for Television, where parents can block certain TV shows and channels from their kids’ viewing. Only this would be for the computer.
Isn’t that goal better than trying to force certain TV shows off the air and certain websites off the web?
Michael in MI on August 13, 2007 at 7:37 PM
Bryan, IIRC he was the Sun’s editorial editor before becoming a columnist/reporter for them.
someone on August 13, 2007 at 7:45 PM
To be clear, Tancredo does want a moratorium on legal immigration, ie a large reduction in overall numbers so that we have less than net positive immigration. In one of the debates he allowed for nuclear family reunification and refugee/asylum, that’s it. He didn’t even mention guest workers, though perhaps, taking the “guest” part seriously, he didn’t consider them part of a permanent immigration discussion.
I don’t know what duration he currently wants for the moratorium but in a bill he offered a few years ago it was five years.
So he’s more than just pro-enforcement–he also wants to tighten the legal system, whereas many sincere pro-enforcement advocates would prefer a “wide gate”.
All that said, you’re still right that Sager’s description is unfair and I think disengenuous. Certainly Sager’s faction likes to bleed the anti-immigrant label onto anyone who shares Tancredo’s anti-illegal stance. In bad faith, they dont like to dwell on other reasons people might oppose unlawful migration.
Also, the whole “anti-immigrant”/”anti-immigation” concept is dubious even in good faith, because almost no one considers that immigration policy, like most things in life or government, doesn’t have to be exactly the same at every point in history and under all circumstances. Being anti-war in 1917 doesnt mean you’re going to be anti-war in the 1941. And being pro-war in 1941 doesn’t obligate you to be pro-war in 1950.
Likewise, being lamentably strict about intake now is prudent because of the reckless, lawless intake of the last forty years. But forty years ago being open to high immigration was more sensible (even though it wasn’t enacted sensibly!) because we’d been through a long digestive pause and were ready for more. Hopefuly that will be the case again someday but it ain’t now.
Anyway I suspect Tancredo’s position is a lot more popular among the public than even many high-wall/wide-gate types realize, since so many of the problems of illegal migration still exist with the legal kind (wages, social services, language, etc).
Alex K on August 13, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Brownback’s “all for Jesus” stuff didn’t look as bad in the video as it looked quoted out of context, but still. A little pandery, no? Are Huckabee’s social con bona fides so dubious that Brownback has any chance with his play to be the social con choice? I just assume Huckabee’s solid on that, not to mention he was a preacher. Plus Tancredo came in close after him (Brownback) in Iowa, and he’s at least as socially conservative. I mean, he quoted straight from the Bible in an early debate to explain why abortion’s gotta go. And he quoted it scarily.
Alex K on August 13, 2007 at 8:13 PM
I’m going to start supporting Huckabee. If he doesn’t make it out of the primaries I can still support another candidate but I want to give this guy a chance. I belive he really is a true conservative and he doesn’t come off as a nut.
I don’t listen to the MSM ever.
CCRWM on August 13, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Bryan, as you may recall, I was hatin’ on Ryan Sager beforee most people ever heard of Ryan Sager.
Still, Sager is very young, and we can hope that the years will beat some of the insufferable arrogance out of him, and beat some common sense into his thick skull. He is an urbanite who doesn’t understand rural people, a Northerner who doesn’t understand the South, an elitist who doesn’t understand populism, and an atheist who doesn’t understand Christians.
Ali-Bubba on August 13, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Libertarianism attracts the iconoclast that take great joy in “proving” that God does not exist because they aren’t struck down for saying so. This faction is continuing to drive away many who would otherwise be fairly sympathetic.
TBinSTL on August 13, 2007 at 9:02 PM
Jesus Christ chose humanity as his running mate.
aengus on August 13, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Ahhhhh. I love Bryan posts.
RushBaby on August 13, 2007 at 9:52 PM
He’s jumping on the bash “Christians in Politics” to be in vogue with the MSM agenda. As a Libertarian, I have a conservative leanings and while I believe in open borders, I also believe in enforcing the laws. Which is why I have a fence around my yard. I watched the ISP on Cspan and what he wrote is nothing more than gross inaccuracy’s.
Kini on August 13, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Really? You mean, the MSM will distort, lie, obscufate, twist and take comments out of context?
Geez. And to think I just sprang for FIOS so I could get more channels.
BacaDog on August 13, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Well judging from comments here, most people still haven’t heard of him, but yeah, I recall that history.
Bryan on August 13, 2007 at 10:36 PM
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Good. Then perhaps you’ll also recall me saying that I see no real conflict between being a Christian and being a libertarian — or, if you prefer the term, “small-government conservative.”
The basic conservative argument in national politics is that the federal government has overstepped its proper constitutional limits. Reducing the size and scope of the federal government is something that all real conservatives (and real libertarians) agree on.
So where is this titanic struggle between contending factions, except in the imagination of people like Sager?
Ali-Bubba on August 13, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Ali-Bubba on August 13, 2007 at 11:40 PM
I couldn’t have said it better myself. On principles, there shouldn’t be a conflict or at least not very much of one. The problem is, Sager and a small subset of the libertarians and many more on the left see any Christian influence on politics at all as creeping theocracy. It’s silly and more than slightly paranoid, but that’s what he thinks and that’s where the conflict comes from.
Bryan on August 14, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Incidentally (brainlock intervented), Sager was at the New York Post too.
someone on August 14, 2007 at 12:42 AM
I learned the saran wrap trick during some of my early perusals of DK, DU, HP, etc.
Took me a while to get used to the hysterical hysteria.
I’ve now built up a tolerance, but must still take the abovementioned sites in small doses.
soundingboard on August 14, 2007 at 2:15 AM
this is some obnoxious hair-splitting.
care to address sager’s point? that extatic chants, or reccollections of extatic chants, of “jesus! jesus! halleluah!” have absolutely no place in government? considering the hissy fit you all threw about the ellison/koran issue, i think it’s contemptably dishonest to pretend that separating christianity from politics would be a “unique” aim.
jummy on August 16, 2007 at 11:17 AM