Video: Harold Ford vs. Kos — the PJM remix

posted at 2:38 pm on August 12, 2007 by Allahpundit

Here’s the long edit I promised you. Thanks to PJM producer Andrew Marcus for lending me a snippet of his interview with the chairman to punctuate Ford’s obsequious gladhanding of someone who spent last weekend sneering at the “con job” organization he leads and the “bunch of cranks” who populate it. Pathetically, it’s Ford, not Kos, who first broaches the idea of merging the two factions.

You’ll find a few other bits amid the ass-kissing. The comic highlight comes when David Gregory asks each to list the top three policy items on his agenda. Kos, never a big “ideas” guy, dodges the question with some oatmeal about getting the candidates to open up; Ford rattles off clean energy, income inequality, and health care. Gregory supplies the punchline, resulting in one of the all-time great afterthought reaction shots. After some more ass-kissing there’s an exchange of one-liners — Ford responding to Kos’s point about Clinton never having won 50% of the vote and Kos responding to Ford’s point about not all of last year’s Democratic candidates being able to leverage Bush’s unpopularity.

Finally, I included the strange-new-respect segment where Kos climbs down from his blistering anti-Hillary op-ed of a few months ago to fawn over her incredible incredibleness just to remind people what a cheap date he is, a fact not lost upon the campaigns. Quote:

“They’re so painfully craving any type of mainstream acceptance that they’re prone to the crassest kind of flattery and pandering, which weakens them,” said a senior aide to a Democratic campaign of the bloggers. Recalling a lavish party then-candidate Mark Warner threw at the 2006 YearlyKos convention in Last Vegas, the aide noted: “Mark Warner bought them off with a fountain and some chocolate strawberries.”

You may not get his endorsement, but show up to his party and pat him on the head and you’re guaranteed not to suffer any Lieberman-type takedown attempts. Which is precisely why Ford agreed to do this segment, I’m sure. If he has to grit his teeth for 20 minutes and pat Screw Them on the back to bring him to heel, hey.

Or am I giving him too much credit?

Note: Some of the segments have been edited for brevity.

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Or am I giving him too much credit?

As Biden would say, yes

Dersu on August 12, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Okay, ready to hurl now

Vanquisher on August 12, 2007 at 2:52 PM

Kos comes off as a disingenuous, wussy, cry baby. And don’t even get me started on that suit! ;)

Seixon on August 12, 2007 at 2:55 PM

“You dont need to attack Democrats” Democrats as defined by Kos. Ford flirted with knocking him out with his tepid ‘you cant have it both ways Markos’ but immediately backed down.

I think Kos is a true believer and you’ll never win an argument with him by showing him the folly of his ways, you can only rhetorically curb stomp him with calm rational facts and logic and let the viewer decide.

Dash on August 12, 2007 at 2:57 PM

What’s the better article title?

“Welcome to Ford Theater,” or “A Kos-Benefit Analysis”?

Actually, the first seems more bang-on.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 12, 2007 at 2:58 PM

Hahaha oh man I just saw the end. That’s incredible. Yes she’s a warm human being in person now that she’s paid her respects. /Heston on/ Why are they hiding her personal warmth from the people! Damn them to hell!!! The strides! Cant you see the strides?? /Heston off/

Wow that’s classic.

Dash on August 12, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Kos strikes me as a radical who is so gleeful about the “hundreds of thousands” of people participating in “democracy” at his website, that he is attempting a coup against the DLC. Ford’s response, in this video, looked resigned (if you can’t beat ’em, join em). But watch this space. Democrats don’t give up power easily.

RushBaby on August 12, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Merging the factions??? An arranged marriage between KP and Markos with Harold giving her away perhaps?

D0WNT0WN on August 12, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Memo to KOS: (quoting Karen Walker from “Will and Grace”)

“Brown is over!”

SouthernGent on August 12, 2007 at 3:08 PM

King Of Schmucks.

profitsbeard on August 12, 2007 at 3:08 PM

What’s with the “touchy feely” hand gestures of Markos?

Yikes!!!!

You’d have to go to a Donkey farm to see more ass kissing.

Yuck!!!

Mcguyver on August 12, 2007 at 3:18 PM

What would be impressive is if we could actually convert this dem party split into a Republican advantage.

Remember, Harold Ford Jr was a media star doing his run for Senate. The Dems were fawning over him, despite the notoriety of his political machine family. His centrist leanings and measured tones were all the rage. Ford had a video girl before Obama and Hillary.

Now less than a year later, he is begging to be taken seriously. Such disjointed logic certainly does not sit well with all Democrats.

We should be posturing ourselves to receive some of the runoff of disgruntled independents and moderate liberals.

Crap. What am I thinking? That would be too pragmatic and logical.

The Race Card on August 12, 2007 at 3:31 PM

This definitely the end all of ass kissing contests.

Mcguyver on August 12, 2007 at 3:33 PM

i know he’s got a wife and kid and is really just a sports blog maven that got a lot of lonely pissed people a place to hang out when they are at home in their bedroom but this is ridiculous. the movement alone. sheesh. no wonder he’s pissed off.

JazzBass on August 12, 2007 at 3:50 PM

Well, that was a puckerfest I really didn’t need to see.

Kowboy on August 12, 2007 at 3:55 PM

I really hope Kos does get more power in the Democratic party. Im sure Senator “Ned Flanders” Im sorry meant Senator Ned Lamont agrees with me.

Hate to think the dems are too smart to let him have control of campaigns.

William Amos on August 12, 2007 at 3:55 PM

Two socialists with different levels of rancor for wealth producers and every value America was founded upon. Kos is the most consistant of the Demosocialists:

“In any conflict between two men (of two groups) who hold the same basic principles, it is the more consistent one who wins.”

Ayn Rand, “The Anatomy of Compromise”

Kalapana on August 12, 2007 at 3:57 PM

Maybe Kos’s suit was meant to indicate the color of Ford’s nose after this disgusting display of groveling.

Good Lt on August 12, 2007 at 3:57 PM

After watching the two of them with DG I came to a simple conclusion. Kos is one of the few people on this planet capable of giving slime a bad name. And this morning, he did it masterfully.

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GT on August 12, 2007 at 4:02 PM

Group hug, AWWWW, pat, pat, pat.

Anybody got some lip gloss?

Speakup on August 12, 2007 at 4:11 PM

Good to see the manlove between Kos and Ford.

PRCalDude on August 12, 2007 at 4:12 PM

Progressive, the new euphemism for commie.

Maxx on August 12, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Anyone else notice the Red Star in the Yearly * Kos banner?

The Master Plan continues apace.

Pablo on August 12, 2007 at 4:31 PM

The secret sauce that makes Kos work is two points about the blog and how it works.

It is basically a land of thousands of moderators.

The recommend feature bubbles to the top articles that appeal to the hive and the comment moderation feature troll rates differing opinion.

It is almost like a heuristic tuning algorithm that guarantees settling into a narrow consensus and it eliminates all the perceived noise that could cause any questioning of the result.

All the opposition thought is buried among the noise at the top and it would take a determined look to find any off message content.

CommentGuy on August 12, 2007 at 4:33 PM

Even the individual commentors there have point ratings.

So it is in their own self interest to adhere to the settled line to maintain cred and gain self esteem among their peers.

Also as point value goes up, the other commentors will naturally put more weight on their comments and try to match the views to gather their own points and stature.

So with this and the two mechanisms in my prior post it shows how it will naturally settle to a very narrow line of argument.

CommentGuy on August 12, 2007 at 4:39 PM

Maxx on August 12, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Actually, “Progressive” was the name that the radicals in the U.S. chose for themselves back in the 1920s after everyone else figured out what “Socialist” really meant. They only started using “Liberal” after WWII, because they’d done such a terrific job of making the term “Progressive” radioactive between the Hoover and Truman Administrations.

And now they’re doing the reverse.

“It was the old weapon of ‘change of pace’ that would not fool a nation brought up on baseball.”

– Captain Walter Karig, War In The Atomic Age (novel), 1946.

Which begs the question- who do they think they’re fooling?

cheers

eon

eon on August 12, 2007 at 4:43 PM

The three factors work to get to an agreement of like minds.

However it has it’s own weakness.

It makes it very hard for anything to be broached that thinks “outside of the box” and if a change of direction course correction is needed, the implied momentum will make it harder to turn than a cruise ship at a flank bell.

CommentGuy on August 12, 2007 at 4:45 PM

Cheap Date? Tell that to Mark Warner.

see-dubya on August 12, 2007 at 4:45 PM

…It is almost like a heuristic tuning algorithm that guarantees settling into a narrow consensus and it eliminates all the perceived noise that could cause any questioning of the result.

All the opposition thought is buried among the noise at the top and it would take a determined look to find any off message content.

CommentGuy on August 12, 2007 at 4:33 PM

Even the individual commentors there have point ratings.

So it is in their own self interest to adhere to the settled line to maintain cred and gain self esteem among their peers.

Also as point value goes up, the other commentors will naturally put more weight on their comments and try to match the views to gather their own points and stature.

So with this and the two mechanisms in my prior post it shows how it will naturally settle to a very narrow line of argument.

CommentGuy on August 12, 2007 at 4:39 PM

From the short version same-topic thread:

To paraphrase my father, “sewage seeks it’s own level.” Nowhere on the internet is this more evident than on DailyKos.

Jonas Parker on August 12, 2007 at 12:25 PM

Entelechy on August 12, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Just keep feeding them the rope…

SilverStar830 on August 12, 2007 at 5:49 PM

What happened to the men in the democrat party. These 2 sissy’s are too much in touch with their feminine side.

Wade on August 12, 2007 at 6:15 PM

The best thing to happen to conservative blogs and the GOP is putting that posturing pansy on TV. More Kos PLLEEEAAAASSSE!!!

Ex-tex on August 12, 2007 at 6:15 PM

Kos: What a pegboy.

Dirthead on August 12, 2007 at 6:18 PM

Harold Ford is way too smooth and likeable. If he gets himself elected governor of Tennessee (I’ve heard that rumor)he will be a formidable presidential candidate someday. I’ve heard he actually does lean center right on alot of stuff and the republicans in Tennessee have tried to talk him into switching sides but his family roots go too deep in the democrat party there. He’s going to be someone to deal with in the future.

peacenprosperity on August 12, 2007 at 6:20 PM

He gives Greeks a bad name.

pullingmyhairout on August 12, 2007 at 6:21 PM

I knew this would be a love fest in disguise. Ford is an as* wipe, and Kos is just an as*.

Captain America on August 12, 2007 at 6:33 PM

Meet the Press has hit a new low.

OSUBuciz1 on August 12, 2007 at 6:44 PM

Harold Ford is one of the better Democrats they got.

Christoph on August 12, 2007 at 6:55 PM

What’s the better article title?

“Welcome to Ford Theater,” or “A Kos-Benefit Analysis”?

Actually, the first seems more bang-on.

LOL!

aengus on August 12, 2007 at 7:16 PM

Harold Ford is way too smooth and likeable. If he gets himself elected governor of Tennessee (I’ve heard that rumor)he will be a formidable presidential candidate someday. I’ve heard he actually does lean center right on alot of stuff and the republicans in Tennessee have tried to talk him into switching sides but his family roots go too deep in the democrat party there. He’s going to be someone to deal with in the future.

I think you may be on to something. Hunter S. Thompson (brilliant writer despite the insanity) said in 1962 that Reagan would one day be President.

aengus on August 12, 2007 at 7:18 PM

The logic is inescapable. Someone made a prediction. It turned out to be true. Someone else made a prediction. Therefore, it will be true.

Christoph on August 12, 2007 at 7:28 PM

There once was a sissy named Kos
With Ford he was yep oh so close!
With his limpwristed lisp
making democrats pissed
cuz with him they had to brown up their nose.

ArmyAunt on August 12, 2007 at 8:36 PM

The slimy liberal shall join with the greased pig to slide us further toward a living hell.

Zaire67 on August 12, 2007 at 9:24 PM

Are they like . . . Dating or something ?

Texyank on August 12, 2007 at 9:32 PM

A few things about Ford:

He is a member of the most corrupt political family in Tennessee. He has a lot of relatives in the Tennessee state legislature who are under criminal investigation. This is the reason why he lost the Senate race to Corker. (Not because the DNC couldn’t use anti-Bush sentiment to propel Ford.) The people of East Tennessee aren’t stupid.

His Southern accent is fake! It was a bad impression of Jesse Jackson. Will Ferrell did a better Jesse on Saturday Night Live.

As a side note, Markos sets off my gaydar, which is never wrong. He’s a liberal, what’s he afraid of? (Is he a Scientologist?)

Lothar on August 12, 2007 at 9:40 PM

Feel the love…

*barf*

Oh, and the dems didn’t win 50% of the vote by running as democrats…the won it by running as RINOS.

Jezla on August 12, 2007 at 10:26 PM

Fox News should make Kos a regular contributor. Let him broadcast the unapologetic socialist platform of the new Democratic Party.

Zach on August 12, 2007 at 11:12 PM

I was watching H&C the other night. Harold Ford was on. I thought he said something about being on Meet The Press and confronting Kos. Was this it? Maybe I misunderstood him…

PowWow on August 13, 2007 at 12:08 AM

Hey, Kos!
If it’s really about democracy and letting everyone have a voice, unlock my account.
Lying sack of hypocrisy.

Wingo on August 13, 2007 at 1:19 AM

You too? Americablog,DNC, and KOS have all banned me. And I’m a Moderate Democrat. Well, I guess I used to be. They kicked me out for not supporting homosexuals, favoring capitol punishment, and wanting our immigration laws enforced! Really, they kicked me out!! ha ha

DfDeportation on August 13, 2007 at 4:51 AM

Kos is pathetic. Screw him. I think I threw up a little bit in my mouth watching that…

With that being said, Ford is usually a reasonable democrat. I guess it was just his turn to “kiss the ring” and kneel at the feet of the might Kos. At least I now see why he is so big and bad behind the keyboard… he’s a geek.

As for DKos… they are one big groupthink echo chamber with the few people who dissent are troll rated and banned, not to mention personally attacked viscously. They are high on the list of reasons I have a hard time considering ever voting for a democrat again.

BadBrad on August 13, 2007 at 5:58 AM

Is it just me or does Kooks Kos look like Jon Cryer?

BigOrangeAxe on August 13, 2007 at 8:41 AM

I would consider it a high honor to be banned from Daily Kos

Golfer_75093 on August 13, 2007 at 8:48 AM

I couldn’t make it past the 40-second mark before I got queasy.

This guy needs speech lessons…big time. What a dork.

Miss_Anthrope on August 13, 2007 at 9:01 AM