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Would another 9-11 unite us against terrorism?

posted at 4:00 pm on August 11, 2007 by Bryan
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Stu Bykofsky says yes, but the answer is no. Good arguments to back me up here and here.

But here’s an even more basic answer: The first 9-11 didn’t really unite us, so why would the second?

Blogging took off in the wake of 9-11 precisely because we weren’t united, even then. There was a sort of illusory unity, but shortly after 9-11 and as it became clear that we would have to invade Afghanistan, as the press started reporting on the “brutal Afghan winter” and all that claptrap, that unity started evaporating. The hard left had already started generating its anti-war machine and the “international community” was already fretting about the US hegemon and its mad rush to war.

Personally, in the wake of 9-11 we didn’t rush madly enough to war to suit me. We gave the Taliban a month or so and we gave Saddam a whole year. A true mad rush might have made 9-11 a teachable moment for anyone who even thought about attacking us. Now Afghanistan + Iraq is a teachable moment, but not in a good way: It teaches any two-bit tinhorn that he if can wait us out, the press and the left will do his infowar work for him. It also teaches any would-be enemy that we’re more concerned with UN niceties than with actually defending ourselves. And we care more about UN niceties than self-defense precisely because we really aren’t united on the question of self-defense. We haven’t been since Vietnam. 9-11 didn’t change that, and a second attack won’t either. Mark Steyn lays out what I think a second 9-11 would do.

The second time round, there won’t even be a momentary veneer of unity. The angry left will be demanding by lunchtime “What did Bush know and when did he know it?” and citing eminent scientists such as Professor Rosie O’Donnell to demonstrate that it couldn’t possibly have been anything but an inside job. The less angry left will demand not a punitive military response but a 12-month blue-ribbon commission co-chaired by Lee Hamilton to call witnesses and investigate where the Administration went wrong. Less motivated types will be convinced – like British public opinion after the Glasgow attack and the sailor kidnappings – that it’s blowback for Iraq. And a big chunk of the rest may even plump for the Spanish option post-Madrid: Oh, dear, we seem to have caught your eye. What would it take for that not to happen again?

Just as Iraq (and to some extent 9-11 itself) has been politicized and Katrina has been politicized, a second 9-11 would be politicized.

Update (AP): Here’s video of Bykofsky on Fox yesterday.


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Well this should make Truthers happy in their pants.

Another 9/11 uniting us? Don’t make me laugh. Unless this guy thinks the hard left would actually blame terrorists instead of President Bush.

John from OPFOR on August 11, 2007 at 4:08 PM

NOTHING will bring the Far Left into the Pro-American fold ever again. EVER.

Even if A.Q. nuked all of the Far Left’s favorite cities Moscow, New York, San Fran, Paris, Key West AND dirty bombed the rain forest AND melted the polar ice caps AND poisoned the caribou AND cut down the Redwood trees, they’d STILL blame America, Dubya, the CIA and Halliburton.

The rest of the country would unite, but the commie pinko socialists on the Far Left will NEVER join us.

Tony737 on August 11, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Since its not a matter of “IF” but “WHEN” I guess we’ll find out. Something tells me John from OPFOR and AP are right though. The other side doesn’t want unity. Just ask Joe Lieberman.

D0WNT0WN on August 11, 2007 at 4:16 PM

“United we stand, divided we fall…”

They taught me that in elementary school, waaayy waaayy back.

Tru2my2 on August 11, 2007 at 4:18 PM

A true mad rush might have made 9-11 a teachable moment for anyone who even thought about attacking us.

It’s not too late. Nuke the moon.

Niko on August 11, 2007 at 4:20 PM

The first 9-11 didn’t really unite us, so why would the second?

Precisely.

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GT on August 11, 2007 at 4:22 PM

The angry left will be demanding by lunchtime “What did Bush know and when did he know it?” and citing eminent scientists such as Professor Rosie O’Donnell to demonstrate that it couldn’t possibly have been anything but an inside job.

In a sense she could be right. An inside job by the far left and their enablers and fifth columnists. “What did Keith Ellison know and when did he know it?”

Niko on August 11, 2007 at 4:30 PM

A lot of people have forgotten the initial hostility to a campaign in Afghanistan.

frankj on August 11, 2007 at 4:37 PM

“What did Keith Ellison know and when did he know it?”

My guess is 1) Not a damn thing except leftist and racist propaganda. 2) His whole life. These folks don’t learn anything new. They just learn new ways to say the same crap.

D0WNT0WN on August 11, 2007 at 4:38 PM

Remember, there were leftist after 911 claiming American policies were the reason we were attacked. Then came the downtrodden reason, the poverty reason, the Israeli reason.

The leftist will always blame America first.

Kini on August 11, 2007 at 4:42 PM

its not just the far left that would rush to blame america first, whatever Ron Paul/Internet/idiots are politically will be blaming America for an inside job. Paul is on record several times saying such a thing will happen. he’s a scumbag

jp on August 11, 2007 at 4:43 PM

This is exactly the reason that I do think it ok to question their patriotism and to attack its lack as unacceptable. As I point out to my moonbat friends:

1) We will be attacked as long as we are refuse to follow Islam.
2) We can’t become Islam because Muslims treat women and gay terrbile, encourage bullying and violence, and tend to kill people in response to the blasphemous art that is so much fun in upsetting the believers.

Thus, we must fight back. There is no choice–no choice at all. To not fight back is be homophobic, sexist, and–given traditional muslim treatment of blacks–racist. Moonbats don’t like accused of those three sins.

I think we have to get beyond the rhetorical here, though. We need to start actually enforcing the laws against treason. The editors of the NYT should have faced charges for treason for telling the terrorist how we trace money and hopefully would have received the death penalty.

On the other hand, we have to reassure everyone that our harshness is only against muslims and their leftist allies. If we start trying to enforce other laws to restrict freedom of speech like pass flag burning amendments, we will face a potentially dangerous rebellion by people who will have good reason to view us as a fascist state.

Slightly off topic, but quite relevant to the overall picture here. Let me give an example of how I dealt with moonbat denouncing US as a fascist state. I replied that if the United States were such a fascist state, it quite interesting that the editors of one of the largest newspaper, the NYT, is able to produce a front page article that I think represents an act of treason for which I would like them thrown in jail or executed. & perhaps they would be so kind as to produce a counter example.

thuja on August 11, 2007 at 4:46 PM

Short of another attack on our country, what hope is there that Americans will unite to the degree necessary to support the continuation of the overarching war effort? It seems to me that the support for war in response to 9/11 has already played its course. Is additional rhetoric going to be sufficient to convince people to pick the fight back up again when most people aren’t even listening anymore and haven’t been for years?

In every just war there has always been a portion of the population apposed to the efforts those who fight on their behalf, the key is that sustaining a war effort only requires the balance of a society, not the entirety.

FloatingRock on August 11, 2007 at 4:46 PM

posted at 4:00 pm on August 11, 2007 by Bryan

But here’s an even more basic answer: The first 9-11 didn’t really unite us, so why would the second?

I feel the first one did, but for a short time.
It is true that the closer THE danger gets (or percieved danger) to you, the more your basic self preservation instinct will kick in.

The danger now seems far away for many, and a 2nd strike would undoubtly unite some of us again. Perhaps for a longer time, but likely still too short.
The people that feel as Sam Adams (I think)said “the way to be safe is to never feel safe” do not need a second strike.
Nor did we need the first.
And then we have the out and out traitors for political gain
such as Edwards, Obama, Pelosi, and the rest of the slime. They would never abandon their hope to take power through our misery, no matter how many stikes we suffer.

NEVER FORGET 9/11

Dersu on August 11, 2007 at 4:47 PM

oops, sorry Bryan. Forgot to close the blockquote after:
The first 9-11 didn’t really unite us, so why would the second?

My thoughts after that.

Dersu on August 11, 2007 at 4:50 PM

OT but only somewhat:

An organization called SIOE (Stop the Islamisation of Europe) has called for a demonstration in Brussels on 9/11. The mayor of Brussels denied them a permit on the grounds that the moslems might take offense (and go on a rampage). You can sign a petition of protest to this clown at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ulfkotte/petition.html

No, we’re not Europeans, but it’s open to all defenders of liberty.

dhimwit on August 11, 2007 at 4:56 PM

dhimwit on August 11, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Not so fast. The organizers of that event are not exactly “defenders of liberty”. In the US you would call them “far right”, as in “racists”.

The anti-jihad movement in Europe is much unlike the US. In Europe the discourse is dominated by extremists who use the “defenders of liberty” fig leaf to voice traditional xenophobia. Oddly enough, you’ll even find far right extremists who pretend to be defending Israel against Islamist terror just so they gain immunity against accusations of racism.

Niko on August 11, 2007 at 5:20 PM

0915 EST on Sept-XX-2007 Terrorist hit ten US cities, 4 million perish!

0925 EST on Sept -XX-2007 100% Americans Unified, hold rally

0945 EST on Sept -XX 2007 Democrats find way to use attacks to gain power, MSM helps them.

0955 EST on Sept -XX-2007 Half of all Americans survey believe we deserved it and had it coming

TheSitRep on August 11, 2007 at 5:21 PM

So to “unite us” there needs to be a terrorist attack every 5 to 7 years? That make a lot of sense. yeah.

Why doesn’t the government just do it and then “cover it up?” I’m sure that’ll do the trick.

rising21 on August 11, 2007 at 5:29 PM

IF/WHEN there is another attack, the lefty response will inevitably be: “See, we TOLD you to get out of Iraq!”

leepro on August 11, 2007 at 5:38 PM

Two simple truths:
1. A free democratic society cannot sustain a long war.
2. The fight against Islamist fascists will be a long war.

What will happen first?

Will we give up our freedom first, or lose the war, which would also lose our freedom.

A third option where we unite and win the long struggle would be better, but another 9/11/01 is unlikely to make that happen.

TunaTalon on August 11, 2007 at 5:39 PM

If we, as a society, prosecute war with the same ruthlessness in which we won WW2, we could finish up the GWOT in about 6 months.

JayHaw Phrenzie on August 11, 2007 at 5:46 PM

Two simple truths:
1. A free democratic society cannot sustain a long war.
2. The fight against Islamist fascists will be a long war.

TunaTalon on August 11, 2007 at 5:39 PM

Lucky for us, our Founding Fathers set up a democratic republic.

Otherwise, we would have destoyed ouselves long ago.
This way it seems, will take a little longer.

Once the voting masses found that they could vote themselves
into benefits (paid for by the few) we were doomed.

Dersu on August 11, 2007 at 5:50 PM

TunaTalon on August 11, 2007 at 5:39 PM

sadly, I think you are right about that. I’ve noticed Thomas Sowell eco this theme in his fear that a military dictatorship is around the corner out of necessity because our political system will fail us in protecting the nation.

I would argue IF a sizable portion of our population weren’t humanist, the third option you mention would be possible. Instead we have two very different world views at odds with each other, one of which views the Govt. and courts as their god. If the Left did not politicize the war, Bush would be hugely popular and the courts would be in our hands and out of the Humanist for at least a generation, they can not tolerate this plus all the other power that comes with the presidency in their hands.

jp on August 11, 2007 at 5:51 PM

Would another 9-11 unite us against terrorism?

That depends on what you mean by “us.”

Liberals respond entirely by instinct. On 9/11, and for a few days afterward, they were scared and so they tried to hide behind us adults. After a couple of weeks, they realized they didn’t personally get killed, so the threat “went away.” Now liberals have spent six years telling themselves that not only is there no external threat, but that we conservatives are – either directly or indirectly – the CAUSE of all terrorist acts.

The ultra-leftists and the Democrat Party are now positioned such that THEY need another 9/11 to gain more power. That is what the author was talking about.

logis on August 11, 2007 at 5:52 PM

Spot-on, Bryan. I first saw this posted at Mudville Gazette’s Milblogs. Mrs. Greyhawk only stated: “Sad, but true”. Here was my response to her:

I’m sorry, Mrs. Greyhawk, but I completely disagree with this article. The only people who believe another 9/11-style attack will unite the country are those who naively believe we were actually united after 9/11/2001. We were not. The war effort in Iraq did not divide the country. The country was horribly divided prior to 9/11/2001 and that attack simply exposed that division. This article is completely off the mark. The only thing another 9/11-style attack will do is enflame the existing divisions even more.

Some important facts that people who believe we were united after 9/11/2001 leave out. A.N.S.W.E.R. was started a few weeks after 9/11/2001 to oppose any military response to the attacks. The “anti-war” movement is not anti-war, but actually anti-America and pro-Communism. And it has always been that way, since the days of Vietnam. The war effort in Iraq did not turn average America-loving citizens into America-hating, Communist-loving moonbats.

So for someone to think that the America-hating, Communist-loving moonbats are going to all of a sudden wake up after another attack and “see the light!” that the Islamic World is the true enemy, is sadly naïve, in my opinion. The divisions we see in America have been there under the surface since the 1970s. 9/11/2001 just brought them out into the public eye, aided by the internet, YouTube and stupid Cable “News” Talk Shows.

The problem is that the majority of people in this country are ignorant and stupid. They are ignorant of history, all things military and stupid in the sense that they have no common sense to figure out fact from propaganda. Thus, the Leftist propaganda machine here in America, pushed by the mass media, Democrats and Leftist groups such as United for Peace and Justice, CODE PINK, Moveon.org, Huffington, Post, Democrat Underground and Daily Kos and Islamist groups such as C.A.I.R. and Muslim Students Association (MSA), is eaten up and believed completely by the ignorant and stupid masses across the country.

You want to know what will unite this country again? Better education and knowledge and the actual use of brain cells and common sense. And killing 3,000+ more people in a terrorist attack on American soil wil not accomplish that.

Michael in MI on August 11, 2007 at 5:58 PM

A true mad rush might have made 9-11 a teachable moment for anyone who even thought about attacking us. Now Afghanistan + Iraq is a teachable moment, but not in a good way: It teaches any two-bit tinhorn that he if can wait us out, the press and the left will do his infowar work for him

Exactly.

Great post Bryan. Spot on.

TheBigOldDog on August 11, 2007 at 6:16 PM

0915 EST on Sept-XX-2007 Terrorist hit ten US cities, 4 million perish!

0925 EST on Sept -XX-2007 100% Americans Unified, hold rally

0945 EST on Sept -XX 2007 Democrats find way to use attacks to gain power, MSM helps them.

0955 EST on Sept -XX 2007 Half of all Americans survey believe we deserved it and had it coming

TheSitRep on August 11, 2007 at 5:21 PM

You got that right . . .Plus

1010 EST on Sept -XX 2007 Richard Gere says. we need to understand them.

1020 EST on Sept -XX 2007 Rosie O’Donnell, Tim Robins
and Sean Penn leave for Sudan to apologize for the U.S.A’s
mistakes.

Texyank on August 11, 2007 at 6:22 PM

Tony737 on August 11, 2007 at 4:14 PM

You forgot drilling for oil in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico.

Kowboy on August 11, 2007 at 6:49 PM

Fear of Death has a very strong effect on human self preservation instincts and the thoughts and actions associated with self preservation among most folks. Liberals and lefties too. After all, Cowards always want to survive the longest, despite the cost paid by Men much better than they are.

Let’s imagine that 4 nuclear devices in major US cities are our next 9-11, resulting in approximately 4 million US casualties or deaths. Within a day or two, someone WILL be nuked in retaliation. If we look at how long it took to track down Saudi involvement in 9-11, and the nationalities of the hijackers, by 14 Sept 01, the identities of our attackers became known. 3 days. Are we really going to wait to be sure next time? Or is it OK to swing a wide scythe since so many Muslims everywhere think we are infidels and deserve Death by beheading.

Now imagine you are the American President. Four million citizens of your country were incinerated in less than a couple of hours. Whole cities are in ruins. In other US cities, mass panic has erupted, and citizens are fleeing the cities for the supposed safety of the American countryside (think the refugee scenes of War of the Worlds, or any of the major comet/asteroid disaster movies lately). Massive casualties exist just from evacuations of cities and the attempts by an overwrought public to seize any safe haven for themselves, the lack of food, shelter and services causing a complete breakdown in civilized behavior, and the necessity of using the Armed Forces to keep the peace THROUGHOUT the US.

Does anyone here think that after a day or so of dealing with that scenario, that President Obama, Clinton, or even Kucinich, not to mention the Bushes, Guilianis, Romneys, Thompsons of the Republican party would be able to resist the entreaties of their subordinates, their constituents or their own consciences to say, “No, we aren’t going to retaliate. We should give the Muslim world more fair warning about the consequences of their actions. They need another second chance to stop this insanity. Maybe we’ll nuke them later, after we give them another chance.”

Anyone signing on to that scenario? Anyone actually believe, once you’ve thought about it in those terms, that a few Trident D5 missiles wouldn’t be on their way to Islamabad, Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, Damascus, Tehran, Cairo, Oman, Qatar, etc….. with early Christmas presents for any and every Islamic state which may have even remotely played a hand in the destruction which eliminated over 1% of the US population in a couple of hours? Bueller?

Trust me. After a nuclear strike which can be plausibly blamed on any Islamic entity, the country harboring said Islamists will be covered in radioactive debris, burned to glass, and eliminated from the World Book Encyclopedia maps. Without regard to the loss of innocent life. And it won’t be based on who is in the White House, who is Vice President, or which cities voted for whom.

Once you take the oath to defend the Constitution as President, a host of advisors does all the planning for you and all the work for you. You only have to make a decision. And since you just lost 4 million of your constituents, should you as the most powerful person in the World, and the most important person to Americans everywhere allow such an event even a smidgen of a chance to be repeated ANYTIME, ANYWHERE in the future? After all, it is your job to defend the country.

Would you order one of a number of strike options with nuclear weapons which your advisors will push under your nose, and ask you, before walking out the door, to make the choices I have outlined here, and call them when you want said advisors to execute your decision? Think hard and long before you answer. Because 296 million Americans will be screaming for someone’s blood. And it had better not be yours, eh?

If you get killed by your own people, Mr. President, the next guy might take the hint and see that Silicon Valley doesn’t just mean a place in California, but might mean a hole in the Middle of some Eastern sand somewhere else.

The premise of this article is a little silly. One man or woman will make this decision sometime in the future. One person and one person alone. That person will have been elected President of the United States. And will have sworn an oath to defend it. And will unite us all by the force of that decision.

And therefore, will not hesitate to push the button incinerating half the World if it means saving the lives of over 290 million Americans, even if only 49% of them are members of their own party. Will we be united? Damn right. Because one man or woman in charge of the country will order retaliation because it will be impossible for them not to do so. We will be united because we will be the only ones left with a shred of civilization and human behavior, and the rest of the World will allow it or follow in the victims’ wake.

Think this is implausible? You don’t understand human behavior. You don’t know the American people. And you’d better keep your mouth shut about how America deserved it after the next 9-11 because I don’t think the American people are going to be so forgiving of those who oppose their continued peaceful, safe, and productive existence, and will ensure that Dissension is the least survivable form of patriotism to be found.

(In other words, blame America for getting blown up, and your friends and neighbors may tire of hearing it and kill you along with their scramble to save themselves and their own families. After all you weren’t concerned with stopping the next attack anyway. What good are you now? I like your boots and the water and food you’ve got. And I don’t think you deserve to keep them, your family, or your attitudes anymore.)

So now let’s ask the question again. Would we be united amongst ourselves? Yes, because one person will have united us by prescribing the only action he/she could take. Making us all Americans under threat of extinction, just because some idiot with a rag on his head said 300 million of us are infidels and deserve Death.

Anything less than this scenario might occur if nuclear weapons are not the method of attack. Once the nukes fly, the Muslim world dies.

Discuss amongst yourselves. Points for noble and self sacrificing answers given, but not enough to save your life if you are an American in a target city.

Remember, a Coward dies a thousand Deaths, the Valiant die but once.

Subsunk

Subsunk on August 11, 2007 at 6:50 PM

As far as I know, for nearly two full terms, President Bush has had the benefit of his own unitary command over the American military. He’s made piddling use of what he has. I wish he thought he were going to get a crown in Heaven for victories in war, instead of for merely being nice.

Kralizec on August 11, 2007 at 7:03 PM

The war could have been over in a nanosecond, if some one had’ve had the balls to do it.

TheSitRep on August 11, 2007 at 7:09 PM

I agree with the writer…we were united till the war went bad(very poor intel or planning on how to handle the Iraq after sadom was gone) and the democraps had a reason to be politcal. Another attack will not unite us…too much bs out there now for that. 1big item is the boarders…Americans want the boarders closed and the politicians are pandering.

oldernslower on August 11, 2007 at 7:11 PM

Keeping in mind I fully support our efforts in Iraq, in my opinion this nation was divided when folks realized Bush had no long term plan to execute the Iraq war. True, the leftists have fully and shamelessly exploited the incompetence, but it was the incompetence and the shape-shifting reasoning that really tore this nation in two.

SouthernDem on August 11, 2007 at 7:39 PM

Short answer, no, another 9/11 will do nothing, but give people talking points about “why people hate America.” Then allow the burying of heads into the sand and withdrawal from the Middle East. Leaving Israel to “take care of business” (only, of course, if they get a decent leader there).

Keeping in mind I fully support our efforts in Iraq, in my opinion this nation was divided when folks realized Bush had no long term plan to execute the Iraq war. True, the leftists have fully and shamelessly exploited the incompetence, but it was the incompetence and the shape-shifting reasoning that really tore this nation in two.

I think the problem isn’t that “Bush had no long term plan in the Iraq war.” The problem is that we assumed that once the Iraqis got out from under Saddam’s thumb, they would jump in with both feet into the whole democracy and freedom thing. Extremely naive, considering the LOONNGGG memories of Sunnis and Shiites, etc. Of course, it doesn’t help that Iran, Syria, and the like are sponsoring yet more terrorism in order to get their hands on Iraq and the subsequent bloodbath that will entail.

mjk on August 11, 2007 at 7:57 PM

Keeping in mind I fully support our efforts in Iraq, in my opinion this nation was divided when folks realized Bush had no long term plan to execute the Iraq war. True, the leftists have fully and shamelessly exploited the incompetence, but it was the incompetence and the shape-shifting reasoning that really tore this nation in two.

SouthernDem on August 11, 2007 at 7:39 PM

Yes, but let’s keep in mind that Bush’s incompetence was because he wanted to be a nice guy, a moral guy. He thought if you give the muslims a chance they won’t act like savages. The lesson from Iraq is niceness won’t work.

thuja on August 11, 2007 at 7:57 PM

Just remember in WWII every society had its “Vichy” citisens who so hated their own country that they worked with the Nazis.

Even in the US there were Nazi Sympathizers.

And in the US today there are terrorist sympathizers.

We cant unite with those that would work actively to bring down this country. Heck Chaomski is vocally anti American and has worked with our enemies to attack the US.

Bush said your either with us or against us. Some have made the choice to be on the other side even if its just vocal support

William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 8:00 PM

I fully agree with Bryan.

1/6 th of Americans would believe that GWB did it himself with the help of Cheney Haliburton’s terrorist brigade. 1/6th would believe the JOOOS did it. That’s 1/3 so far.

1/4 of ‘Americans’ would be willing to accept that Al Qaeda or something similar did it but only because it is our fault for not respecting them and giving them enough foreign aid.

Another 1/3…. The REAL, rational Patriotic, tough and cognizant Americans would unite from our minor divisions and diversions…

And the remaining fraction will merely be upset that, for some unknown reason, the beer cooler and chips section at the store hasn’t been restocked recently and that the news bulletins are interrupting the American Idol reruns and whatever professional sports event is scheduled.

There is really only one thing that I can see might actually unite America as a whole: If Mexico officially declared war on us, armed their streaming northbound hordes with small arms and portable crew served weapons, all refusing to do any yard work.

LegendHasIt on August 11, 2007 at 8:28 PM

Bryan is asking the wrong question with “Would another 9-11 unite us against terrorism?” The Left, our biggest weakness, will never be united with the patriots of a nationalist state, especially the United States. The question to be asked is “How much power and influence would the Left loose, and for how long, if (when) we suffer another national disaster such as 9/11 or Pearl Harbor?”

The Left will favor the enemies of the nationalist state of the United States as long as they live. In my opinion the likes of the ACLU and the editorial staff of the Wall Street Journal identify more as world citizens than patriots of the United States of America. The more American nationalist interests are undermined, the closer to one world government they can push us, the happier they are. They care nothing for the safety and security of the nation of the United States except as it pertains to their own political objectives.

When, when, when will the majority of the electorate recognize this state of affairs? It is my guess that we, the citizens and patriots of the United States who identify with as nationalists, will be more united when recognize the Ferengi in the midst of those on the right are more interested in their own financial interests, identify them, and root them out. This should start with Bush.

omegaram on August 11, 2007 at 9:04 PM

The only time I could see the left uniting in the event of another terror attack is if there was a Dim in the White House. This isn’t meant to be funny. But that might be the only time they’d actually think well we have President Clinton, Obama…we tried. Otherwise it’s all (fill in the Republican’s name) fault. Too predictable.

PowWow on August 11, 2007 at 10:04 PM

I’m with Steyn on this one.

Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 10:07 PM

the teaching moment after the next attack on America from the muslim fascists will be delivered by the citizens directly. A do-nothing government invites vigilante justice, and that’s what we have

OneEyedJack on August 11, 2007 at 11:01 PM

it doesn’t help that Iran, Syria, and the like are sponsoring yet more terrorism in order to get their hands on Iraq and the subsequent bloodbath that will entail.
mjk on August 11, 2007 at 7:57 PM

100% agreed.

SouthernDem on August 11, 2007 at 11:38 PM

So now let’s ask the question again. Would we be united amongst ourselves? Yes, because one person will have united us by prescribing the only action he/she could take. Making us all Americans under threat of extinction, just because some idiot with a rag on his head said 300 million of us are infidels and deserve Death.

Anything less than this scenario might occur if nuclear weapons are not the method of attack. Once the nukes fly, the Muslim world dies.

Discuss amongst yourselves. Points for noble and self sacrificing answers given, but not enough to save your life if you are an American in a target city.

Remember, a Coward dies a thousand Deaths, the Valiant die but once.

Subsunk

This is a cynical response, but the “Americans” don’t even occupy the major cities. They’re filled with illegal immigrants, H1-B visa holders, their children, and their liberal neighbors. The only people who will go to war are midwesterners and people from various other patriotic enclaves in the U.S. like Orange County, CA.

I don’t even think a nuclear attack is enough to turn our politicians minds around. In the end, this is a demographic battle. Every European blogger I read says that Europe is lost, and most who realize it are trying to bail. The die-hard libs there will simply recite the shahada when the time comes. The American cities largely aren’t even American anymore. Our politicians have ethnically cleansed them of Americans. What’s left are ‘newcomers’. Maybe I’m just speaking from my experience in Los Angeles, but most of the major American cities are probably like this. As Peter Brimelow said, we live in an alien nation.

PRCalDude on August 12, 2007 at 12:44 AM

As far as I know, for nearly two full terms, President Bush has had the benefit of his own unitary command over the American military. He’s made piddling use of what he has. I wish he thought he were going to get a crown in Heaven for victories in war, instead of for merely being nice.

Kralizec on August 11, 2007 at 7:03 PM

He’s definitely been the worst president in my lifetime. I didn’t think he could outdo Clinton, but even Clinton did a thing or two about the borders and didn’t try to foist the shamnesty on us. Bush still thinks Islam is a religion of peace. He’s read a lot of Mark Steyn’s stuff also, like “America Alone”.

PRCalDude on August 12, 2007 at 12:47 AM

For unity there has to be a common understanding.

Which would mean a general Western realization that Islam breeds terror.

It is the sheeps’ eyeballs and hummus (bread and butter) of Mohammadism.

But the homegrown Quisling classes will work hard to prevent that from becoming common knowledge.

Becuase they sympathize with those who hate America.

Since they hate it themselves.

There will be unity enough, though, after the next attack, to destroy the attackers.

However much the self-loathing Whinocracy objects.

profitsbeard on August 12, 2007 at 1:08 AM

Exactly, Bryan.

But there’s one more reason – the nature of the Left (and after 9/11 we should feel confident including so-called “liberals” in that). The nature of the Left compels them to act so as to bring about failure and defeat for the US. This is not a choice for them, its like breathing.

The essential point we’ve learned about the Left since the GWOT began is that even given an evil enemy seemingly tailor-made for the Left’s hatred – fascist, woman-oppressing, gay-killing, theocratic fundamentalist, and with a nazi-inspired attitude toward Jews – the Left nonetheless choses to side against America. This is something so deeply sick, that no new attack could possibly change it, and in fact will only augment the sickness. The proof that the Left abhors being united with us is so overwhelming that I can’t see how anyone could seriously propose it anymore.

Halley on August 12, 2007 at 2:38 AM

Would another 9-11 (or worse) unite the country?

No but the cold war between right and left probably heats up over who’s to blame.

boris on August 12, 2007 at 8:26 AM

The anti-jihad movement in Europe is much unlike the US. In Europe the discourse is dominated by extremists who use the “defenders of liberty” fig leaf to voice traditional xenophobia. Oddly enough, you’ll even find far right extremists who pretend to be defending Israel against Islamist terror just so they gain immunity against accusations of racism.

This accusation is baseless. Offer some evidence of what you’re spouting or be quiet.

aengus on August 12, 2007 at 10:15 AM

The last attack didn’t unite us (but just drove the fringe left underground for a few months). Why should we expect another attack to do more?

petefrt on August 12, 2007 at 10:30 AM

We are united now, regardless of the white noise from the left. We have always, as a whole, been at our best when circumstances or events were at their worst. Always have and always will be. Patriotic delusion? Don’t think so. Even with events happening at the speed of the internet, we are still a cohesive society.

captivated_dem on August 12, 2007 at 12:53 PM

Although I agree with Bryan and Steyn to some extent, that after another attack we will not “all” be united, I disagree about the extent of our likely disunity. As some of us pointed out above, there is always a segment of every population that will not unite behind the common defense. The most extreme of them come to be known as traitors, and there are always traitors in every conflict as well. While we need to prevent them from endangering the rest of us, we don’t need them; we only need the center.

If another attack doesn’t sufficiently unite America then perhaps the next one will. But ultimately, if some of the pessimists here are correct that additional attacks will never unite this country behind the cause of our common defense, then one or more of a few possibilities, as I see them, are likely to occur.

One: we get used to jihad and learn to accept it as an unfortunate part of our everyday lives— until our eventual demise.

Two: we institute martial law and reinstitute prosecutions for sedition to quell and marginalize the enemy within. Martial law may not be a necessary component.

Three: perhaps far too many in our country are irredeemable and a civil war will be necessary to destroy or eliminate the influence of the enemy within.

Four: military coup.

Can anybody think of any other possibilities?

My hope is in the years spanning 9/11 and some future attack that enough American’s will have come to learn about the motivations of our enemy so that we will be far MORE united than we were after 9/11.

FloatingRock on August 12, 2007 at 3:11 PM

But here’s an even more basic answer: The first 9-11 didn’t really unite us, so why would the second?

No, but it did wake a lot of people who were living their fat, happy lives without a clue as to how dangerous the rest of the world is. I was like that until my military service, when I had my exposure to Islam and the Quran that I realized what we were up against. Even afterward, I was a spoiled brat who didn’t expect that day. Watching the towers drop from Newark airport, I think 9/11 brought those of us who were sleeping through our lives back to consciousness.

Another shot in the pills might wake some more, but I doubt it. Here in rich, comfortable, spoiled America we have people who whinge about everything. Only in the industrialized world would you hear parents called “fascist” because little Johnny (who’s probably 25 and still called a “kid”) didn’t get a Wii and a PS3. Or a person call for another attack just so we could get some peace and quiet from the bickering nonentities we elect into office.

The only way to get that peace, domestically, is for people to stop coddling each other and start expecting better behavior from our leaders, media, and fellow citizens.

black campbell on August 12, 2007 at 5:42 PM

If we, as a society, prosecute war with the same ruthlessness in which we won WW2, we could finish up the GWOT in about 6 months.

JayHaw Phrenzie on August 11, 2007 at 5:46 PM

Yep, I’ve said it many times, until we can keep the whimpy politicians, the PC lefties, and the give appeasement a chance crowds (groups that are constantly tying our military’s hands behind its back) out of the damn war the GWOT will drag on and we will not be victorious!

We need to fight to win, overwhelming force and PC be damned! Time to show the murdering Islamo-facists American true military might and resolve…NOW!

Liberty or Death on August 12, 2007 at 6:05 PM

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