Open thread: The Ames straw poll; Update: Mitt wins, Huckabee second, Paul flames out
posted at 5:50 pm on August 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Mitt will win but by how much? Results are expected by 8 p.m. ET. Chris Cillizza at WaPo says the Romney camp’s shooting for 31%, the same number Bush pulled in 2000, but expectations are already being dampened ahead of the actual vote. If the Paul-bots cut significantly into Mitt’s margin and make a race of it, it’ll be a PR fiasco for Romney. The real intrigue is who takes second and third among Paul, Huckabee, Brownback, Tancredo, Hunter, and Tommy Thompson (Rudy and McCain aren’t competing today). My guess is Brownback and America’s Greatest Patriot, in whichever order; pressure on the others to drop out in the aftermath will be intense, and indeed, Thompson’s already promised to pull the plug if he doesn’t do well.
While we wait, the story at this moment is Paul, whose supporters are the loudest and, perhaps, the dirtiest. Ryan Sager’s got early anecdotal evidence suggesting Paulmania may not be all that it’s cracked up to be, but we’ll know soon enough. Dirty tricks and demagoguery are also de rigueur.
Here’s Newt’s speech to the faithful assembled, which his web outfit had up within an hour or two of its airing. The meat begins at around 8:10 if you’re counting down. Following that, the line of the day from the big A’s candidate of choice, Mike Huckabee. Stand by for updates later, maybe.
Update: Hobos for Paul!
Update: Here’s the “Fed Ex vs. Federal Bureaucracy” video Newt mentioned.
Update: Just breaking on Fox — Mitt wins, as expected, and Iron Mike is a surprising and welcome number two. No numbers yet. Stand by.
Update: A banner at FoxNews.com says Mitt took 4,516 votes. The total cast was 14,000 or so, per Marc Ambinder — off from 23,000 cast in 2000 thanks to Rudy, McCain, and Fred having not competed. Assuming Ambinder’s estimate is right, it’s a nice take for Mitt — 32% and change.
Update: 31.5% says Fox News. Huckabee took 18.1%, then Brownback at 15%, then Tancredo at 13.7%. Fred came in seventh with 1.4% — better than Rudy and McCain. No word yet on America’s Greatest Patriot but he obviously flamed out. Duncan Hunter and Tommy Thompson are obviously finished; Paul will stagger on on the fumes of his own messianism.
Update: Full results at WaPo. Paul was fifth, and closer to sixth place than he was to fourth.
Update: Brownback bet big to take second today. He lost.
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Generic? The man got his law degree and MA from Harvard, simultaneously. You know a lot of humans who have done that?
He ran one of the more successful VC funds in the world. He was named by Jim Cramer as the best businessman in North America.
He was a terrific Republican governor in the worst state imaginable for a Republican and you give love to a guy from Arkansas who loves Jesus?
And thats generic?
We have a different scale.
JackStraw on August 11, 2007 at 11:22 PM
When have you seen the real Mitt? What’s he like?
Big S on August 11, 2007 at 11:27 PM
And McCain was a war hero and Obama was chair of the Harvard Law Review and Edwards was one of the most successful lawyers in America, etc etc. Everyone in the field is accomplished. And I haven’t even mentioned Bill Richardson.
“Vote Mitt in ‘08 — because America’s a filthy toilet.”
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 11:28 PM
What’s your point there in linking that video? Do you know what Mitt’s experience was in MA with Sex Ed for Kindergarteners?
Post waiting for you in other thread.
TheBigOldDog on August 11, 2007 at 11:33 PM
The story in the HotAir headlines “We Pick, You Click” on “Troops tired” is much more important than a few thousand people in Iowa voting in a straw pool, IMHO.
MB4 on August 11, 2007 at 11:38 PM
AP,
And Hillary was…? Boldly willing to stick to a sham of a marriage because of her lust for power? A Wellesley grad? What?
I’m not even much of a Mitt fan, but I thought he came across reasonably well in that clip. Delivered some so-con boilerplate with panache; showed more personality than, say, Bush I could have done with the same material. And I doubt it’s fair to take the “cesspool” thing as a jab at American culture, so much as stuff like the easy accessibility of pron on computers. Yes, it gives me a chill thinking someone might start getting the feds involved, but he wasn’t talking about that.
I agree that Mitt isn’t exciting, like Rudy or Fred or Newt. But I think you’re selling him a bit short, and I think you have resigned yourself too early to the inevitable rise of the she-Antichrist. How many will shy from pulling the lever on Evita inevitable? A lot, I think.
Splunge on August 11, 2007 at 11:38 PM
Rudy’s “Me macho 9/11 guy” isn’t very exiting after about the twenty fifth time.
MB4 on August 11, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Fred’s showing “a little bit of leg” is getting old too.
MB4 on August 11, 2007 at 11:42 PM
Didn’t you just get through telling us this wasn’t important to you?
TheBigOldDog on August 11, 2007 at 11:43 PM
Not as important.
MB4 on August 11, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Feeling pessimistic is the emotion of choice for some at this time in our country.
So this YouTube link of yours, ie: Romney talking about how we don’t need sex-ed for 5 year olds confirms we as a Nation are in the toilet, or just that the Liberals have flushed themselves?
Just wondering….. has politics really come down to potty training humor?
Mcguyver on August 11, 2007 at 11:45 PM
Roger that BigOldDog.
Lucky for you then that AP gave us both.
Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 11:45 PM
Lucky for you then that AP gave us both.
Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 11:45 PM
Yes, but I can’t shoot my mouth off on “Troops tired”.
MB4 on August 11, 2007 at 11:48 PM
No, not really.
Fred. Knocked up his girlfriend and then got elected on the Republican slot in a purle state.
Rudy. Career politician who did a fine job as mayor.
Mitt. Brilliant businessman, made a quarter billion dollars and somehow got elected governor in the bluest of blue states. Waa more conservative than Rudy in a much more hostile environment. Lookk at the records.
There is a generic candidate. His name is Fred. Get used to Mitt, he is a far better candidate than Rudy.
JackStraw on August 11, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Waa more conservative than Rudy in a much more hostile environment. Lookk at the records.
JackStraw on August 11, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Hahahahahahahahahah!
Big S on August 11, 2007 at 11:54 PM
AP, are you seriously talking up Huckabee?
Nothing wrong with that, but I don’t quite figure you getting behind the non-dancing Arkansas Baptist preacher.
see-dubya on August 11, 2007 at 11:59 PM
In fairness Rudy also decimated the Mafia as prosecutor. That’s how he made his name and also turned around NYC which was no small task. He showed he’s great in a crisis on 9/11 and that goes a long way.
Mitt Became the head of Bain and developed strategies for the World’s largest businesses, founded Bain Capital (a VC firm which is nothing like a hedge fund…VC firms fund new businesses, buy and turn-around existing businesses), almost beat Ted Kennedy for the Senate, saved the Salt lake Olympics and then became Governor of MA (beating a liberal woman) and did a heck of a job.
Fred, Obama and Hillary are not in their league.
TheBigOldDog on August 12, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Wouldn’t it just be easier to just say “I don’t know what the hell I am talking about.”
Cause obviously you don’t. Don’t expect Allah to carry your water on this one, he can’t.
JackStraw on August 12, 2007 at 12:04 AM
Now I know the question whose answer is 42. The thing is, not the universe has changed to something even more inexplicable, and that iminates form congress.
- The Cat
P.S. Jeri!/Newt ‘08
MirCat on August 12, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Well, that story is from the Guardian, so I don’t ;)
bnelson44 on August 12, 2007 at 12:17 AM
And…
For a republican to be successful in Massachusetts politics (Mitt), you have to be conviction-less.
Zach on August 12, 2007 at 12:18 AM
Sure you can this is an open thread.
The article titled Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq seams to be nothing more then a MSM hit piece, (and not very well disguised at that).
Perhaps it is a good excuse for the Brits to “run away”.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 12:23 AM
Mitt’s money for sure but for CINC, I don’t think so. Speaking of Mitt, anybody who thinks a Mormon would be a natural conservative need only look at that Jackass Harry Reid.
Jeri/Newt… hmm. I’d settle for Jeri as a 1st lady. We could totally use a “her royal hotness” in the White House. Think about the long string of dogs we had before Laura Bush.
Mojave Mark on August 12, 2007 at 12:24 AM
And this social conservative is no “Senator Switchback” fan either.
How can you appeal to the GOP as the “true social conservative” when you vote differently?
ColtsFan on August 12, 2007 at 12:25 AM
Maybe. Maybe not. You can never tell; that’s why the MSM is so frustrating.
frankj on August 12, 2007 at 12:28 AM
Thanks for your research. That was the stuff I was earlier referring to. I should have read the earlier comments before posting.
I still do not trust Huckabee. Is he really a “solid conservative?” Or is he just blowing in that particular direction now that he knows reality is going to come down really hard on Graham-Amnesty and Chuck Hagel in 2008?
ColtsFan on August 12, 2007 at 12:31 AM
Very True
However Michael Yon never mentioned anything about this, so I will call it a hit piece.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 12:32 AM
Troops like to crash when they get a chance. In the field they get into that habit because it could be 36 hours before they get another chance. Also coming down from a mission is very draining, and a troop going on leave is doing just that. The reporter may not know this and is reading much more into what they saw then they should. That fact that it is in the Guardian tells me they started out with an anti-war bias.
bnelson44 on August 12, 2007 at 12:33 AM
However Michael Yon never mentioned anything about this.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Yes, in fact, Michael Yon did talk about it.
bnelson44 on August 12, 2007 at 12:39 AM
yea, and remember when he pretended to be a Navy Captain? I mean how cool was that?
But you’re right. His wife has huge, fake tats so lets elect him cause thats what matters. A seceond wife with a rack.
JackStraw on August 12, 2007 at 12:45 AM
I think that the Iowa Straw Poll is overhyped but interesting none the less. The candidates that spent their money there and did well may get a boost and the ones that didn’t play must have figured they didn’t need it. Didn’t Bush come in 3rd there?
I’m already tired of this campaign and by all rights it should really only be starting up.
Buzzy on August 12, 2007 at 12:47 AM
Yeah all Catholics are the same. All evangelicals are the same. All Baptists are the same.
Jeeze.
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 12:57 AM
Just got an email from ‘Team Tancredo’ claiming that he took fourth. I’m a little surprised and pleased that he did that well.
I’m VERY sorry that Hunter didn’t do LOTS better.
A little surprised that Huckabee did that well.
The rest? I find it hard to care….
But what does it say about America when Hobos have internet access and become politically active.
LegendHasIt on August 12, 2007 at 12:59 AM
There was supposed to be a ‘dunce hatted smiley’ after that last sentence of mine. I guess it got stripped because it looked like a HTML tag.
LegendHasIt on August 12, 2007 at 1:04 AM
A big part of my repect for Giuliani has to do with the fact that he was elected and governed effectively in NYC, as a Republican, and met much of his opposition head on, sticking to his guns under fierce criticism from liberals. Romney was elected in MA, which is a heavily Democratic state, but met hostility by “converting” from one side of an issue to the next when needed. This pattern holds, to a great extent, in the primary campaign as well.
Big S on August 12, 2007 at 1:08 AM
Sure you can this is an open thread.
The article titled Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq seams to be nothing more then a MSM hit piece, (and not very well disguised at that).
Perhaps it is a good excuse for the Brits to “run away”.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 12:23 AM
It seemed pretty sympathetico to the troops to me, not a “hit piece” on them by any means. I really don’t think too many of the troops are at all happy about being there that long.
The troops, American or British, are not an alien breed of some kind, like on TV or some movie. They must be getting pretty sick and tired of 15 months on (some talk of going to 18 month tours), 12 months off, second tour, third tour, fourth tour, et all.
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 1:09 AM
anybody who thinks a Mormon would be a natural conservative need only look at that Jackass Harry Reid.
Mojave Mark on August 12, 2007 at 12:24 AM
You think that Reid is bad now, just think if instead of being a Moron, he was a Frisbeeterian or something like that, or a Cafeteria Catholic like Kerry or Kennedy, or dare I say Giuliani ……
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 1:20 AM
The saying in my squadron was that we were deployed to LAFB, stationed wherever.
That said, yes it got “old” however the article makes many assumptions/ and jumps to many conclusions, that IMO it is a hit piece.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 1:23 AM
I know he mentions troops sleeping on ground etc,
Please send me the link to his post where he says…
“Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq”
Thanks
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 1:29 AM
No, Michael Yon would not say something like that.
bnelson44 on August 12, 2007 at 1:31 AM
That said, yes it got “old” however the article makes many assumptions/ and jumps to many conclusions, that IMO it is a hit piece.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 1:23 AM
By you handle I take it you are or were Air Force. Very big difference from being in the Army.
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 1:31 AM
However Michael Yon never mentioned anything about this.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Man does not live by Michael Yon’s posts alone. He is just one person.
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 1:35 AM
I just cant understand how Duncan Hunter hasnt done better
Candidate Ratings by Conservative Organizations:
American Conservative Union: 92%
Americans for Tax Reform: 88.5%
Concerned Women for America: 100%
Citizens Against Government Waste: 71%
Eagle Forum: 92%
Family Research Council: 100%
John Birch Society: 41%
National Federation of Independent Business: 100%
National Rifle Association: A+
National Right to Life Committee: 100%
National Tax Limitation Committee: 73%
National Taxpayers Union: 62%
Americans for Better Immigration: A+
Campaign for Working Families: 100%
An excerpt from Wikipedia nails it here:
“In 1980, Hunter was recruited to run for Congress in what was then the 42nd District against 18-year incumbent Democrat Lionel Van Deerlin. Hunter was initially an underdog, but his attacks on Van Deerlin’s record on national defense traction in a district dominated by military bases and personnel. Van Deerlin did not respond quickly enough, and Hunter narrowly defeated him. He was one of many Republicans swept into office from historically Democratic districts as a result of the “Reagan revolution”; Van Deerlin had been the district’s only congressman since its creation in 1963.
After the 1980 census, many of the more Democratic areas were cut out of Hunter’s district, and he hasn’t faced serious opposition since. In his district, he consistently gets over 60% of the Hispanic vote and nearly 70% of the Democratic vote”.
CaptainObvious on August 12, 2007 at 1:36 AM
I enjoyed reading that article.
ColtsFan on August 12, 2007 at 1:54 AM
Very true, don’t blame me because my IQ was higher then an entire Army platoon. (Sorry Army could not resist the “jab” and a little inter-service rivalry)
Army or Air Force, it really does not matter. The article is all about fatigue and how it has crippled the US Army in Iraq…
I frankly call BS on that. What the Army is dealing with may be rough, and I am sure some soldiers are throwing in the towel.
However I highly doubt that it really represents the US Army.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 2:00 AM
Very true,
However one does not read a guardian “hit piece” and assume it is fact as well.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 2:05 AM
AP is right, Mitt is DOA. He will never win the nomination.
Romney staff please raise your hands. ;)
Sammy316 on August 12, 2007 at 2:06 AM
You sure about that?
Being the first to call Iraq a civil war, before the MSM even dared to?
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 2:08 AM
Good point.
ColtsFan on August 12, 2007 at 2:19 AM
Media coverage… it was decided LONG AGO that it was Hillary, Obama, (Edwards just for fun), Rudy McRomney, and Fred! All others need not apply. We the media have made our decision and it’s final.
RightWinged on August 12, 2007 at 2:23 AM
As far as Presidential candidates go, I want to hear them talk about defending the Constitution, defending the rule of law, and using reason to advance good legislation.
(NOTE: whatever happened to Bush’s fantastic conservative, 1st term, project of returning America to an “Ownership Society”, repealing FDR??? He should have stuck with that.)
To be honest with you, I do not like presidential candidates discussing finer points of theology because I fear that often (sadly) careful Biblical exegesis, sound historical scholarship, systematic theology, and Scripture get thrown out the door in favor of watered-down, touchy-feely, emotional sound bites.
ColtsFan on August 12, 2007 at 2:32 AM
It was quite obvious Romney bought the win. He spent a lot of money to get it, you could tell. I still don’t find him very exciting.
Not necessarily. A lot of Paulites were wearing yellow as well.
I personally found the Paulites to be rude. They were the only group I found to be that way. I did get a good chuckle listening to a Paulite talking to a bunch of Switchback supporters though. Especially when he stormed off saying that the Republicans would lose if anyone else was nominated, because of the war. A couple of the Switchback supporters chased after him wanting to ask him a question, but he disappeared. The Paulites definitely considered his fifth place finish a win. Didn’t seem that way to me. For the number of people there supporting him you would have thought it would have been higher. They were definitely the loudest. Of course most of them weren’t from Iowa, or were too young to vote, as was said earlier.
Hunter didn’t do better because he hasn’t been campaigning enough. I only started hearing commercials for him the last couple weeks. He really needs to get his name out there. I supported him personally, but there just weren’t that many supporters there for him, most were part of his campaign, and thus couldn’t vote because they are from out of state. I got to talk to him and listen to him talking to others for quite a while. I also attended the immigration workshop he held for Newt’s organization. I really like what he had to say. Like I said, he needs to get his name out there more, I got the feeling that a lot of people just don’t know him. I wouldn’t count him totally out just because of this. Although if the Caucus does get moved to December that could hurt, Culver’s saying it won’t be moved though…
There were three Fred Heads there, but that was all I saw. I talked with them for quite a while, cool guys. Told them I wasn’t able to even consider him until he’s in the race. They said they expect it Labor Day. *shrug*
I was pleasantly surprised Tancredo got that high. Didn’t see that many supporters there for him either. I still don’t think he has a chance though.
Everyone was excited that McCain and Rudy did so poorly. Rudy’s numbers got a big ovation from the crowd. That was the one thing all the groups agreed on.
Gianni on August 12, 2007 at 2:44 AM
Very true, don’t blame me because my IQ was higher then an entire Army platoon. (Sorry Army could not resist the “jab” and a little inter-service rivalry)
OK, Chair Force! (Sorry Air Force could not resist the “jab” and a little inter-service rivalry). And frankly I doubt that your IQ is even higher than mine and I am just one ex Soldier, not a whole platoon.
Army or Air Force, it really does not matter. The article is all about fatigue and how it has crippled the US Army in Iraq…
Au contraire. When I was in the Army I happened to visit two Air Force bases. With the one I felt like I was on a college campus. The other like I was on R & R.
I frankly call BS on that. What the Army is dealing with may be rough, and I am sure some soldiers are throwing in the towel.
I’ll bet a lot of them would just love to be on an Air Force base. Maybe they can do some switching for say a few months. You know like walking in the other guys shoes and all. And I don’t mean switching with those in the green zone.
However I highly doubt that it really represents the US Army.
Representative enough of those who along with the Marines have born the brunt.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 2:00 AM
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 3:14 AM
Man does not live by Michael Yon’s posts alone. He is just one person.
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 1:35 AM
Very true,
However one does not read a guardian “hit piece” and assume it is fact as well.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 2:05 AM
If I am walking with two other men, each of them will serve as my teacher. I will pick out the good points from each and try to imitate them, and the bad points from each and try to correct them in myself.
- Confucius
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 3:22 AM
As I said the Paulites definitely considered it a win.
Gianni on August 12, 2007 at 3:26 AM
AP is right, Mitt is DOA. He will never win the nomination.
Sammy316 on August 12, 2007 at 2:06 AM
It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It is a shocking habit — destructive to the logical
faculty.
- Holmes
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 3:30 AM
OK nice jab back… It was a jab (get it) I am not that arrogant to say, in real life, that my IQ is less then yours.
Army or Air Force, it really does not matter. The article is all about fatigue and how it has crippled the US Army in Iraq…
And your history with the Army, back in the day, matters what with the article today?
You will always have my respect, since you are a Vet, However your arguments have nothing to do with an article in a UK newspaper today.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 3:46 AM
And your history with the Army, back in the day, matters what with the article today?
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
- Confucius
However your arguments have nothing to do with an article in a UK newspaper today.
Life is really quite simple, but some insist on making it complicated.
- Confucius
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 3:46 AM
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 3:59 AM
MB4 Doing his best to dodge an honest question.
Once again…
And your history with the Army, back in the day, matters what with the article today?
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 4:02 AM
One last thought MB4 before I go…
Study the past if you would define the future.
-Confucius
All debate and no sleep makes F15Mech a dull boy
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 4:20 AM
And your history with the Army, back in the day, matters what with the article today?
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 4:02 AM
OK maybe “I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.” is a little too long for the Air Force. I was trying to keep it short, but maybe that was not short enough. Remember your own words now - “Sorry
ArmyAir Force could not resist the “jab” and a little inter-service rivalry).How about a shorter version?
I hear, I know. I see, I remember. I do, I understand.
-Confucius
or maybe
Nothing is difficult for the man who does not have to do it himself.
-Murphy
or maybe
Been there, done that. And, history may not always repeat but it almost always at least rhymes.
- ?
I am really quite astounded that you find “Troops tired” the least bit hard to believe or that you just dismiss “Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq”. Remember cripples means to partially disable. Why is that so hard to believe for those bearing the brunt? Do you think them superhuman?
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 4:02 AM
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 4:46 AM
StudyStudy or live the past if you would define thefuturepresent or future.-Confucius
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 4:20 AM
It is human to err, but at least no one can accuse you of being a callous criminal.
- Holmes
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 4:51 AM
Finally you try to address the headline…
“Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq”
Short answer is I don’t think that and No I don’t think they are superhuman.
I was willing to go into more details and debate you further, however I have come to the conclusion that it would be a waste of time after your post on 4:51 AM.
After all your “Confucius” quotes that you posted, the best argument you have is to re-arrange my Confucius quote.
Color me important
Plato look out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anyone can cause Aristotle to roll over in his grave, you are it.
I think I see Aquinas dancing on Aristotle’s grave after your performance.
MB4 cant debate with F15Mech so he has to re-arrange Confucius quotes.
I will go into details to anyone that asks. However you are not worthy.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 5:56 AM
Ditto here. Fred & Mike in ‘08.
(csdeven balistic in 3….2…..1….)
Texas Nick 77 on August 12, 2007 at 5:57 AM
Just reading through the posts… I didn’t know Huck was supportive of the shamnesty gig. He just lost my support.
Texas Nick 77 on August 12, 2007 at 6:08 AM
Color me important
Plato look out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anyone can cause Aristotle to roll over in his grave, you are it.
I think I see Aquinas dancing on Aristotle’s grave after your performance.
MB4 cant debate with F15Mech so he has to re-arrange Confucius quotes.
I answered you repeatedly and in many different ways, not just with Confucius (BTW, what have you got against Confucius now? You even quoted him yourself). Apparently none of them “took” at all. You just did not like ANY of my answers, as they did not fit in with your preconceived beliefs, so now you get all mad and go bonkers with the ad hominem route and then say that I can’t debate.
However you are not worthy.
But you still “respect” my service, of course. lol. lol. lol.
F15Mech on August 12, 2007 at 5:56 AM
Sweet dreams, don’t let the bed bugs bite!
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 6:32 AM
The Newt clip: Newt has a way of illustrating important issues about government that is “Buckley-esque” without the social club stuffiness.
Straw poll: Huckabee would make an outstanding president. A final debate between Huckabee and Fred! could be very interesting. Jeri! needs to get out the cattle prod and get Fred! moving.
Mitt, the socialist’s favorite conservative, is spending his way into recognition. This will buy him some time. Mitt’s stands on abortion, position on embryo merchandising, and concept of socialized medicine are quite frightening. Will he appoint activist jurists? When it’s time to appoint judges or sign bills from a crazed Congress, Mitt is not the man I want in the WH.
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HuckabeeMB4 on August 12, 2007 at 7:36 AM
I will vote for the HildaBeast™ before I will vote for Mike “Tyson Foods” Hucksterabee. I swear to God I will! Don’t nominate him, even for VP, and make me do it!
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 7:44 AM
Will Huckabee denounce religious bigotry practiced by fellow evangelicals?
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 7:50 AM
Will Huckabee denounce religious bigotry practiced by fellow evangelicals?
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 7:50 AM
If he does be sure to look behind him and see if his fingers are crossed.
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 7:54 AM
fred? gets 203 votes.
Bwahahahahaha!!!! Now that freddie boy is facing AAA pitching, his homers in the AA have some perspective.
Will fred? purposely scuttle his own non-campaign, put the non-campaign contributions in his PAC, and then funnel it to his relatives for do nothing jobs?
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 8:02 AM
Fred “dates”:
First “date”: Infatuation. Could be the “love” of my life.
Second “date”: “Peel the onion”. Maybe I should think about this some.
Third “date”: “Peel the onion” some more. What the hell did I ever see in this guy anyway?
MB4 on August 12, 2007 at 8:08 AM
I understand why people are concerned about Mitts! religious beliefs, but look at his record folks. What has he done in the past that indicates he will start to impose LDS beliefs on the country?
I’d rather dig into his change of position on gay marriage, guns, and other issues. The abortion issue is not an issue as I believe people can and do change and we should take them on their word. Even at that, he seems to have changed on several key social conservative issues.
I happen to believe that Mitt! is coming back to his roots after straying away from them to get elected in MA. I see this as more of a betrayal to the lefty loons, which I couldn’t care less about. The real damage will be to independents who feel betrayed. But I don’t think independents are single issue voters on guns, gay marriage, or abortion. They look at the candidate as a whole. Mitt! has the very best resume of any candidate or non-candidate. The change of positions is the issue. As much as we conservatives can feel confident that Mitt! will stick to his promises (as he did in MA), the independents have to wonder if he is being honest with them.
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 8:14 AM
As much as I like Huckabee, I have to temper my enthusiasm because because he is basically a local guy. (Same is true with the religious bigot Brownback)
Mitt!, a guy with a rap of being too liberal went into a very red state and whooped the daylights out of every candidate that is touted to be more conservative. Apparently people are seeing something in Mitt! that resonates with their conservative ideals.
The lone caveat to this win is that the turnout was much smaller than it was in 1999. Presumable because a lot of conservatives are not happy with the current field. This is a good thing for Mitt! but I can’t get to excited about this until that lying, faking, fred? decides to run and we get the word from Newt. So, if Mitt! can survive the LDS hit piece movie “September Dawn”, sometime in late October, these fence sitting conservatives will have to start making a decision.
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 8:27 AM
Iowa isn’t a “very red state.” Only the western portion of Iowa is extremely red, particularly the southwestern part. I didn’t get the feeling that the majority of people there were from that portion of the state. Most were from the middle part of the state, as that is where Ames is, and many were bussed in from the east side of the state, neither of which are very red.
Gianni on August 12, 2007 at 9:05 AM
You’re right. I assumed Iowa was very red by election maps, but upon a closer look, it is very mixed. Bush barely won Iowa in 2004 by 2%.
Going by that, it makes sense that the hard core conservatives are the ones who skipped the poll this year. That wont bode well for Mitt! in the southern states, unless the rest of the field totally implodes. I expect that Rudy and Huckabee will not, but the rest, including the non-candidate fred?, wont make it to nomination time.
I am going to start looking into Huckabee’s record more now that he did so well in Iowa. I really like his personality and his sense of humor, but as far as his policies, I am clueless. I read that he supported shamnesty? I’ll have to look into that.
Thanks for straightening me out on Iowa.
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 9:29 AM
MIKE HUCKABEE the CORNSERVATIVE makin copies!
sonnyspats1 on August 12, 2007 at 9:38 AM
Huh? I don’t understand your logic. I thought Ames was the social con Superbowl.
Big S on August 12, 2007 at 9:40 AM
In an unusual move, Jodie Foster, as movie character “Nell,” released the following statement today endorsing a candidate for president:
captivated_dem on August 12, 2007 at 10:02 AM
Csdeven,
Why is it “religious bigotry” for a Christian to point out to fellow Christians that Mormonism is a cult, using the past objective criteria of “cult?”
Before you answer, let me briefly explain so that I am not communicating confusion here.
Generally in agreement. Mitt indeed has leadership experience.
I am in agreement again here.
Agreed. Mitt did accomplish some stuff in the worst state for the GOP.
That is my position.
Why am I not a fan of Mitt?
Because I believe (either rightly or wrongly) that Mitt is a “flip-flopper.” And I believe he will carry that trait into office too.
I have re-read the article, and my question is,
using the past objective criteria of a “cult,” why is it wrong or considered “religious bigotry” for a Christian to point out to fellow Christians that Mormonism is a cult?
I am not advocating flame-throwing. I am not advocating personal, hurtful attacks against Mitt. My reason for voting against Mitt is because of his flip-flopping, not because of his religion.
One motivation of mine here is to politely critique the naturalist goal of trying to philosophically move religion and theology into the domain of the “non-rational or irrational category of personal preference.” These naturalist proponents want to show that if Religion or Theology can be “reduced” to the subjective, irrational domain of “personal preference,” then by default, all religious views that critique other competing non-religious or religious views (like Mormonism) are then automatically deemed “bigotry” by the thought police of our culture’s reigning philosophy of naturalism.
I politely disagree.
By the way, if I am off base here or if I am not understanding your original quote of “religious bigotry,” please remember, I have not had any coffee yet this morning.
ColtsFan on August 12, 2007 at 10:05 AM
csdeven, Why do you feel Huckabee should denounce bigotry perpetrated by other so-called Christians (most likely tied to the Brownback campaign)? How often should he denounce and apologize? Once a day? How ’bout once a month? Would that be good for you?
jeremiad on August 12, 2007 at 10:14 AM
I think normally it is, but with the dissatisfaction with the current candidates, the hard core conservatives stayed home this year. They are obviously waiting for Newt and that lying fake fred? before they get motivated on a candidate.
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 10:15 AM
Cult
All faiths, including evangelical Christians, fall under those definitions. The difference is that these so called “Christians” who hold themselves as the sole arbiter of who is a “real” Christian, are in direct opposition to the teachings that Jesus taught. They have no tolerance for anyone who is not what they decide is a “Christian”. Hence, bigots.
These pseudo-Christians should spend their time extolling the virtues of their teachings instead of tearing down the beliefs of others.
And in the final analysis, and I know you agree, Mitts! religion has zero to do with his qualifications to be POTUS.
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Mitt’s supporters were not social cons for the most part. Most of Mitt’s supporters were bussed in and their tickets were paid for by the campaign. These buses did not come from the western part of the state where the social cons come from. The social cons that showed up were split between Huckabee, Brownback, and Tancredo. Also notice that attendance this year was less than half of the last one. Who do you think stayed home?
Gianni on August 12, 2007 at 10:27 AM
Once would be enough, but then he needs to cease making religion an issue, otherwise the original apology didn’t mean crap.
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 10:29 AM
Sorry, meant was a little more then half of the last one.
Gianni on August 12, 2007 at 10:32 AM
As much as I buy the logic, do you have any demographic breakdown of the people who voted and where they came from, or are you just assuming the makeup because Mitt! is less than a staunch conservative?
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 10:32 AM
I would buy the logic except for the small detail that Romney is winning the state poll handily. That includes social cons, moderates and RINOS. And he is trending up while every other major candidate is trending down. With Iowa and NH moving up there primaries, early support is more crucial than ever.
This crap about Romney buying votes is just crying in your beer. This process has been going on for decades and every candidate knows how the game is played. Romney has the organization, the money and the message that resonated. He won. Big. Just as he has won every debate.
Anyone starting to notice a trend?
JackStraw on August 12, 2007 at 10:58 AM
Well, I’m anxious to see the next state and nat polls to see if this Iowa win gives Mitt! a bump.
csdeven on August 12, 2007 at 11:17 AM
Huckabee — doesn’t he want to enforce, like, junk food taxes and combat the scourge of obesity?
Cool. Maybe we can have national morning exercises.
I love a benevolent king.
Jeff G on August 12, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Romney is getting as many passes, as the Freadheads give Fred?. Romney is as transparently a politician as Dodd is on the Democratic side; just different talking points.
Clinton,Obama,Edwards,remaining Democratic candidates.Romney,Huckabee?,Brownback,Tancredo,Paul,Gulliani,McCain,Hunter?,T.Thompson.captivated_dem on August 12, 2007 at 11:59 AM
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