Open thread: The Ames straw poll; Update: Mitt wins, Huckabee second, Paul flames out
posted at 5:50 pm on August 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Mitt will win but by how much? Results are expected by 8 p.m. ET. Chris Cillizza at WaPo says the Romney camp’s shooting for 31%, the same number Bush pulled in 2000, but expectations are already being dampened ahead of the actual vote. If the Paul-bots cut significantly into Mitt’s margin and make a race of it, it’ll be a PR fiasco for Romney. The real intrigue is who takes second and third among Paul, Huckabee, Brownback, Tancredo, Hunter, and Tommy Thompson (Rudy and McCain aren’t competing today). My guess is Brownback and America’s Greatest Patriot, in whichever order; pressure on the others to drop out in the aftermath will be intense, and indeed, Thompson’s already promised to pull the plug if he doesn’t do well.
While we wait, the story at this moment is Paul, whose supporters are the loudest and, perhaps, the dirtiest. Ryan Sager’s got early anecdotal evidence suggesting Paulmania may not be all that it’s cracked up to be, but we’ll know soon enough. Dirty tricks and demagoguery are also de rigueur.
Here’s Newt’s speech to the faithful assembled, which his web outfit had up within an hour or two of its airing. The meat begins at around 8:10 if you’re counting down. Following that, the line of the day from the big A’s candidate of choice, Mike Huckabee. Stand by for updates later, maybe.
Update: Hobos for Paul!
Update: Here’s the “Fed Ex vs. Federal Bureaucracy” video Newt mentioned.
Update: Just breaking on Fox — Mitt wins, as expected, and Iron Mike is a surprising and welcome number two. No numbers yet. Stand by.
Update: A banner at FoxNews.com says Mitt took 4,516 votes. The total cast was 14,000 or so, per Marc Ambinder — off from 23,000 cast in 2000 thanks to Rudy, McCain, and Fred having not competed. Assuming Ambinder’s estimate is right, it’s a nice take for Mitt — 32% and change.
Update: 31.5% says Fox News. Huckabee took 18.1%, then Brownback at 15%, then Tancredo at 13.7%. Fred came in seventh with 1.4% — better than Rudy and McCain. No word yet on America’s Greatest Patriot but he obviously flamed out. Duncan Hunter and Tommy Thompson are obviously finished; Paul will stagger on on the fumes of his own messianism.
Update: Full results at WaPo. Paul was fifth, and closer to sixth place than he was to fourth.
Update: Brownback bet big to take second today. He lost.
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It’s a damn shame Huckabee’s not polling better. I hope he ends up as a Veep candidate for one of the top-tier guys.
Purple Fury on August 11, 2007 at 5:53 PM
Me too.
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 5:53 PM
GOP candidate’s wife is hospitalized before key straw poll (Ron Paul)
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 5:58 PM
In Praise of Retail Politics
Mitt-supporting D.C. mom in Ames for the straw poll e-mails:
Overall, I have to say, I was impressed with the quality of the “retail politics” — lots of people were out in force in the 90-degree sun touting their candidates and their ideas – intelligently, passionately, and politely. The kind of crowd where, even if your kid gets lost, you aren’t thinking “Amber Alert,” but rather, “I just need to get the PA system to tell whoever finds him to bring him to the Mittmobile.” While in line for the Fair Tax Ferris Wheel, a Ron Paul supporter calls out, “Ron Paul has been pro-life his whole life.” The response of some Mitt Romney supporters: “God Bless him!”. Paul supporter: “Mitt Romney hasn’t!” Romney supporter: “I know. But he is now, and he is the only one who can beat Hillary Clinton, and she has never been pro-life.”
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 5:58 PM
Something tells me that Lee Atwater, roasting to a golden brown crisp somewhere in Haides, is unlikely to be impressed by this claim.
You’re going to have to do a lot better than to point out that Paul’s supporters are suggesting that people utilize Romney-subsidized transportation.
My god, the horror!
tad on August 11, 2007 at 6:07 PM
I think I follow politics pretty closely, but I still don’t understand the significance of this.
frankj on August 11, 2007 at 6:15 PM
It’s going to cull some candidates and, if Mitt does much worse than expected, detonate his presidential hopes.
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 6:20 PM
frankj,
The Iowa straw poll, traditionally, kicks off the Republican primary.
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 6:21 PM
That seems doubtful.
Huckabee may have problems.
Can we hope Ron Paul is silenced? Naw…
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 6:22 PM
It’s a media event staged by the state party to increase their perceived importance. No delegates are at stake.
A lot like a pre-season NFL game, actually, including the second string getting more than their share of playing time and competing to stay on the roster until next week. With nothing tangible at stake, people only tune-in to see whether the newly-signed first-round draft pick (Romney) lives up to all the hype…
LagunaDave on August 11, 2007 at 6:31 PM
By law, Ron Paul supporters are not allowed to drive (tunnelvision), so that’s why they stormed the Romney buses.
JammieWearingFool on August 11, 2007 at 6:31 PM
Very funny!!
Mcguyver on August 11, 2007 at 6:36 PM
I don’t see them as the dirtiest if they abuse Mitts! organization. This prevents candidates from buying the poll because the people who ride the buses and take the prepaid tickets are under no obligation to vote for the candidate that provides them.
The real issue with the Paulites is the fact that they believe that doing so is an indication of their candidates worthiness to be CinC. Just look at Paul’s campaign managers statement. He didn’t encourage Paul supporters to use Mitts! buses etc, BUT neither did he ask them not to. This is a flaw in the basic personality. I wouldn’t want the support of people who present themselves as Mitt! supporters just to get the free ride and ticket. Don’t these people believe in their candidate enough to support him on the up and up? I mean just how much does it cost? $35 bucks for the ticket and $50 for the bus ride? As much as they 8itch, I’d think $85 bucks would be a small price to pay to get this country back on track. Instead, they engage in behavior that shows them as basically fair weather voters. And Paul’s camp look like typical politicians by not asking their voters to be honest about who they are rather than sell themselves for $85.
It appears that the Paul supporters take subterfuge as a virtue just as the non-candidate fred? does. Maybe we should hook the two up and see what happens? The faking leading the lying?
csdeven on August 11, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Self-detonation is the word:
- Fred has overstayed his “announcing campaign visa”.
- McCain jumped on the illegal alien Snark train.
- Guiliani skipped the straw poll due to “confidence”.
- Huckabee says his problem is “not enough money”.
- Ron Paul with tunnel vision drove over the cliff.
- Tancredo is great but is “mildly speech impaired”.
- Duncan Hunter is still “hunting for votes”
And…. who are the other lower tier candidates?
Mcguyver on August 11, 2007 at 6:46 PM
there is a “Conservatives against ron paul” blog finally
http://chip91.wordpress.com/
jp on August 11, 2007 at 6:51 PM
I’d vote for Newt.
p0s3r on August 11, 2007 at 7:00 PM
Bwahahahahaha!!!
csdeven on August 11, 2007 at 7:02 PM
I just can’t get the report of Romney saying his boys are supporting him by getting him elected, rather than serving in the military. If they don’t choose or want to serve, fine. Be honest. Working for dad’s campaign doesn’t quite rise to the level. I so wish Newt was electable. He’s just too danged smart to appeal to the masses.
24K lady on August 11, 2007 at 7:45 PM
That is a little “demeaning” if I understand the word.
Comon folk are smarter than you give ‘em credit
Really, I would be for Newt, he just made too many mistakes though.
He could be third fiddle, “maybe second”.
Mcguyver on August 11, 2007 at 7:50 PM
Just curious AP, aren’t you an atheist? Isn’t Huckabee (if I am thinking of the right guy) the “religious fanatic”? Doesn’t he think that you are going to hell? Seems a little strange. Not that strange, but a bit.
MB4 on August 11, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Here’s a photo of Huckabee jamming complements of The Corner.
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 7:54 PM
A Low Turnout: About 14,000
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 7:56 PM
Hahaha
Another poll hijacked by the Ron Paul whack-a-doodles.
It on the right side bar.
csdeven on August 11, 2007 at 8:03 PM
This is why caucuses are more dangerous than Primaries. A nutcase like Paul would do far better in this type of enviroment than any other
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Ron Pauler – “All your polls are belonging to us”
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 8:06 PM
That’s awesome! Huckabee is the man.
MT on August 11, 2007 at 8:14 PM
Newt-abee in ‘08!
MT on August 11, 2007 at 8:16 PM
Jeff Sessions/Tommy Franks in 2008!
Hey, if we are going for long shots.
MB4 on August 11, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Sorry, momentary lapse… I forgot that Newt is unelectable. I’m not convinced that Huckabee can’t somehow move into the top tier though.
Interesting take on Ron Paul from Mark Alexander.
MT on August 11, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Yellow=Mitt supporter
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 8:26 PM
Straw Poll Results Delayed Due To Voting Machine Malfunction
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 8:36 PM
I question the timing.
csdeven on August 11, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Some KOSsack somewhere is sayig “See watch these machines read Bush !
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Geraldo just asked Ann Coulter if she’d flash at Sturgis. Ann replied she was there for the straw poll results. LOL! She blamed him for sanctuary cities earlier (jokingly)
TheBigOldDog on August 11, 2007 at 8:47 PM
Yeah, but the psychologist DID show her fun bags a few years ago. Heck, she was barely covering them up in that segment!
csdeven on August 11, 2007 at 8:52 PM
Poor Geraldo he is still dazed and confused looking for Al Capones vaults anywhere just to vindicate himself
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Huckabee is an OPEN BORDERS ZEALOT!!
DfDeportation on August 11, 2007 at 8:56 PM
Duncan WINS UPSET in Iowa!
Phyllis Duncan of Des Moines took home first place honors and a $30 gift certificate for her Pampered Chef beer bread mix in the food competition at the Iowa State Fair.
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070811/NEWS/70811032/1001
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 9:03 PM
1 rommney
2 huckabee
Dersu on August 11, 2007 at 9:23 PM
Gov Mitt Romney won the 2007 Ames straw poll, receiving 4516 votes, or 31%.
In a surprise, Gov. Mike Huckabee finished second with 2587 votes at 18.1%
11. John Cox with 41 votes.
10. John McCain with 101 votes.
9. Duncan Hunter with 174 votes.
8. Rudy Giuliani with 183 votes.
7. Fred Thomson with 231 votes.
6. Tommy Thompson, 1,009 votes, 7.3%
5. Ron Paul with 1305 votes, and 9.1%
4. Tom Tancredo with 1961 votes, 13.7%.
3. Sen. Sam Brownback with 2192 votes and 15.3%
Iowa state auditor David Vaudt unofficially certified the results.
14,203 ballots were cast.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/
bnelson44 on August 11, 2007 at 9:25 PM
Romney made the biggest effort. Huck is a regional candidate (being from a neighboring state)as is Brownback.
I think this kills a Thompson. Tommy I mean
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 9:30 PM
And way to go tancredo. He does have some support
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Paul flames out???? Tell me it ain’t so!!!
Dusty on August 11, 2007 at 9:44 PM
Huck is a regional candidate
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 9:30 PM
Huh?
Big S on August 11, 2007 at 9:48 PM
I’m not sure what makes me happier. Romney winning in a romp or knowing that hollowpoint is suffering.
I think I’ll choose both.
JackStraw on August 11, 2007 at 9:48 PM
If you break the USA into regions it better explains how some candidates do over others. Brownback, Huck and even Tommy are from the Midwest. They would do better in Iowa than say Rudy or Hunter.
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 9:53 PM
My take:
Mitt meets expectations.
Huckabee exceeds expectations.
Brownback falls short.
Tancredo massively exceeds expectations.
Paul supporters will claim he had the overwhelming support, but DIEBOLD stole the election.
Tommy Thompson is gone, as is Duncan Hunter.
Giuliani, McCain and Fred! will dismiss results as meaningless.
JamesP on August 11, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Way to go Huckabee!
CP on August 11, 2007 at 9:56 PM
How about that. Strong showing for Huckabee and Hunter below Paul AND Thompson… that bodes ill for him.
Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Believe me they already are. Its so funny when it comes to elections they sound just democrats, whine, whine, whine.
And its sad to see Duncan Hunter do so badly, he definitely deserves Secretary of Defense in the next republican administration.
Complete7 on August 11, 2007 at 10:00 PM
No that’s Al “Manbearpig” Gore.
Keljeck on August 11, 2007 at 10:05 PM
I am sure Huckabee has many other positive attributes.
But his early support for “comprehensive immigration reform” really turned this social conservative off. As a result, I am not a fan of his.
ColtsFan on August 11, 2007 at 10:09 PM
I found that quote in the story about Paul. Heh, thought he was always out there myself.
PowWow on August 11, 2007 at 10:10 PM
ColtsFan: that is definitely Huckabee’s Achilles Heel. I’m not crazy about that, either. Kinda like McCain moved on it, I hope Huckabee’s position on that “evolves”. It will have to.
Purple Fury on August 11, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Let the paulists hijack this poll
jdkchem on August 11, 2007 at 10:15 PM
ColtsFan:
Just checked his website… Looks like he has indeed come around on this:
[quote] * My number one priority is to secure America’s border.
* We have to know who is coming into our country, where they are going, and why they are here. We need a fence along our border with Mexico, electronic in some places, and more highly-trained border agents.
* Those who are caught trying to enter illegally must be detained, processed, and deported.
* Illegal immigrants already living among us who commit crimes must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and incarcerated or deported.
I opposed the amnesty bill that was defeated by the Senate in June. I support the $3 billion that Congress recently appropriated for border security. These funds will be used to train and deploy 23,000 more agents, add four drone airplanes, build 700 miles of fence and 300 miles of vehicle barriers, and erect 105 radar and camera towers. They will be used to end “catch and release” by providing money to “catch and detain” those caught entering illegally and to crack down on those who enter legally, but overstay their visas. These border security provisions will stem the tide of illegals, which is what we must do before we can turn the tide and deal with those who are already here. Before you fix the damage in your house caused by a leaking roof, you stop the leak, which is what this legislation will do.
My number one priority is to have a secure border. Right now, we have too many people entering the country illegally, and this must stop. We can’t turn the tide until we stem the tide. We need to know who is coming into our country, where they are going, and why they are here. We need to create a process to allow people to come here to do the jobs – plucking chickens, tarring roofs, picking fruits – that are going unfilled by our citizens. They must have a tamper-proof, scannable I. D. with a finger or retinal scan, so that their employers know they belong here.
Besides stopping terrorists, we must weed out those with a criminal background or a communicable disease. We have to build a fence along our border with Mexico, parts of which will be electronic. We need more well-trained border agents and cooperation agreements with local and state law enforcement officials, so that we have a clear and consistent approach by all jurisdictions.
Those who are caught trying to enter illegally must be detained, processed, and deported. Illegal immigrants who are already living among us and commit crimes must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and incarcerated or deported.[/quote]
Purple Fury on August 11, 2007 at 10:15 PM
does everyone understand that this guy is from
Taxachusetts… I mean they have taxes on everything under the sun and this guy was their leader…
announce already Fred…
Kaptain Amerika on August 11, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Bwahahahaha!!!
Jack, Hollowpoint has already bunkered down in his basement. He sits in the dark with bottles full of urine and trash bags full of crap, petting his guns while chanting……
“It’s ok babies, mean old Mitt! wont take you away while I have a breath of life left in me!”
csdeven on August 11, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Yeah! I think it’s still insanely early to be getting caught up in this beauty pageant but to see Huck taking second, regional candidate tho he may be, is surprising and comforting.
Someone above made the BEAUTIFUL statement that !Fred had overstayed his “Campaign Announcement Visa”…LOVE THAT. I’m still interested in Fred…but only after we get a good explanation of the lie. For now…I’d have to say Huckabee is my boy…that is until Newt announces in November or so.
Pilgrim on August 11, 2007 at 10:25 PM
Come on, you can say something dumber.
Hey did you know Fred is from Tenn just like algore so I guess that makes him a global warming moron.
How did Fred do today? Ha.
JackStraw on August 11, 2007 at 10:26 PM
Good for Huckabee… I guess. I still need some smart pundits to tell me exactly what to think about all this.
Isn’t 5th place enough for Ronulans to think they had a victory? I don’t think him and his supporters are disappearing until the primary is officially over.
frankj on August 11, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Tancredo Beats Ron Paul!
There’s the real headline.
profitsbeard on August 11, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Nope. They were banking on third.
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Huckabee’s supporters started a whisper campaign about Brownback being a Catholic and “not one of us” (evangelical like Huck is). Brownback demanded Huckabee apologize. Huck refused saying it was not “authorized.”
I don’t think Brownback had a snowball’s chance anyway but obviously Huck’s people were worried about him.
TheBigOldDog on August 11, 2007 at 10:33 PM
DIEBOLDS (COUGH) DIEBOLDS
/Ronpaulite siging out
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Only if you care about moral victories.
The real headline, Romney beat even the watered down headlines, proved he has a great ground team, and won a larger percentage than George W Bush.
This was an ass whopping and a wake up call to those who think he can’t win. Guess what? He can.
JackStraw on August 11, 2007 at 10:39 PM
You’re funny.
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 10:40 PM
What this ultimately shows is that effort means more than message.
you can be a front runner but if you dont go and make the effort to win you wont do well.
Something I have fought with the RNC for years over. They are utterly convinced in Washington that all you need is a good media advisor and money to win.
And that is why we keep losing.
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Isn’t anyone else bothered by Huckabee’s disgraceful economic record?
Sure he is a solid so-con and a nice guy, but if I wanted someone to raise taxes, hire more public servants and massively increase Government spending, I’d vote for a Democrat, or Dubya.
JamesP on August 11, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Source? I absolutely HATE those whisper campaigns…can’t prove them…can’t disprove them. I’m inclined to believe the Huckabee camp…sorta. Some might say, “It’s all politics”. Maybe if it was about some lurid affair or some crazy money scheme. This kinda thing cuts to the core of what makes Huckabee so twinklie for us Christian Conservatives.
Pilgrim on August 11, 2007 at 10:41 PM
Brownback complains about Catholic slur
I thought for sure AP would post it…
TheBigOldDog on August 11, 2007 at 10:44 PM
I checked a Ron Paul bboard out of curiosity, and some were trying to play this up as a win (they didn’t have the money and buses of the other guys). I just don’t see anything convincing those guys they lost.
So is the debate now whether this victory was big enough of a Romney win (especially with the low turnout)? Most seem to think it was solid, but I saw a Corner post comparing it poorly to the more competitive 2000 poll.
This is like a sport I don’t understand the rules to, but everyone else is quite excited by it.
frankj on August 11, 2007 at 10:45 PM
liberalism criminal or communicable disease?
jdkchem on August 11, 2007 at 10:46 PM
Because of Huckabee’s immigration record in Arkansas, I don’t think I can ever support him.
From Arkansas News
Also, check out Lonewacko blog on this
Dersu on August 11, 2007 at 10:47 PM
I guess my more succinct question is whether this is ultimately a Romney or a Huckabee win?
frankj on August 11, 2007 at 10:47 PM
No, some of our Protestant commenters can’t be trusted with items about Catholics. Sorry to say.
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 10:48 PM
He has a strategy. That’s Mitt forte. Strategy. He’s a Baker Scholar (top 5%) from HBS and rose to run one of the top business strategy consulting firms in the world (Bain). He knows how to develop a winning strategy.
His only issue is his eagerness to please (that’s what causes him to say things like “I’m a lifelong hunter.) All he has to do is relax and show the people who he really (a brilliant, take-charge kind of a guy) and is and his fortunes will soar.
TheBigOldDog on August 11, 2007 at 10:49 PM
Both.
Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Too true.
But you know what I said was spot on correct. For the last two weeks all we have been hearing is that this would be closer than anyone expected. All we heard was that a NE RINO would couldn’t win in the rock ribbed, stalwart Republican mid-west.
How did it work out? What do you think that means going forward for a guy who has unlimited money? You go look at the historical numbers, I’ll wait.
JackStraw on August 11, 2007 at 10:50 PM
He’s DOA. You guys are in fantasyland.
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 10:51 PM
You think that? Is that because no Rudy/John?
Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Mitt is dead-on-arrival? Leading in the first two primary states and with a bunch of cash he is willing to spend?
JamesP on August 11, 2007 at 10:52 PM
I hadn’t heard that at all. I’d assumed Mitt would walk away with it, unless the Paul-bots made a surprisingly strong showing. They didn’t.
I like Mitt but he’s a stiff and a bit of an empty suit and leaves no distinct impression compared to Rudy or Fred. If he’s our candidate in November, we’re dead in the water. Then again, we’re probably dead in the water anyway.
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 10:53 PM
How dare you!
When was it “all cracked up to be” anything? Oh, you mean the idiots who insanely post “Ron Paul 2008!” all over YouTube and the rest of the internet? Yeah, those people are total douches and I think there’s a 50/50 chance they are actually some sort of Dem operatives.
RightWinged on August 11, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Mitt did well in a state that is a borderline Blue state
Will have to see how he does in a bright red state
William Amos on August 11, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Purple Fury:
Thank you for your research. I have now taken note.
To be honest with you, I am
shockedsurprised to hear that he has changed his mind. I remember clearly Michelle Malkin writing about his vocal comments about “comprehensive immigration reform” awhile back.I hope he truly changed his mind instead of having a Graham-Amnesty “non-conversion” conversion.
ColtsFan on August 11, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Maybe. But this is one guy I would never count out. He could very easily have a Reaganesque defining moment. Wait till he gets pushed in public on an important topic. Then you’ll see the real Mitt and people will eat it up.
TheBigOldDog on August 11, 2007 at 10:58 PM
Okay…so I feel alittle better about this. I think Huckabee should’ve taken Pastor Rude to task in his response.
Pilgrim on August 11, 2007 at 11:01 PM
No, they’re just our web-savvy libertarian friends.
Keljeck on August 11, 2007 at 11:01 PM
He better have that soon. If someone were making a movie of this, his credit would be “Republican Candidate 2.” I don’t anything horrible about Mitt… but I also don’t know anything terribly interesting.
frankj on August 11, 2007 at 11:04 PM
That’s the thing…if he waits until a “defining moment” then I’ll be left wondering, “Will the real Mitt please stand up!”. No…I don’t like suits that bend to the strongest wind just to get a pat on the back. If he’s the real deal he needs to always be the real deal whether that’s at home when the lights are off or in front of the cameras.
Pilgrim on August 11, 2007 at 11:04 PM
I’m absolutely astounded by your analysis on Romney. Seriously.
He may be a tad stiff on the campaign traill compared to what, Rudy… Hee.
For the last 2 weeks, politico, real clear poitics, etc, have been predicting a Romney win but they have been speculating on a closer than earlier predicted finish. This was an ass whipping. The best mid-western, neighbor candidate got faced. Romney demonstrated that he can win and knows how to put together a ground team to get it done.
Watch what happens. I haven’t been wrong yet.
JackStraw on August 11, 2007 at 11:06 PM
You’re astounded that I find the generic Republican candidate to be generic? He’s a good guy with no distinguishing characteristics whatsoever except good looks and a penchant for telling people what they want to hear. If I need a hedge fund manager, I call Mitt. If I need a president? Nuh uh.
Allahpundit on August 11, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Pilgrim:
Most definitely. Ugly stuff.
Purple Fury on August 11, 2007 at 11:12 PM
There any Brownback fans here? I want to know what sets him apart. If it’s pro-life issue, why him over the others?
Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 11:13 PM
snicker…sounds more like an insurance salesman than a Prez candidate.
Pilgrim on August 11, 2007 at 11:13 PM
Every time I see Mitt, I think he is a great candidate for 1992. Not trying to be mean, but that’s what he makes me think of.
Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 11:14 PM
No
BrownbackSwitchback fan here. Remember this?Pilgrim on August 11, 2007 at 11:15 PM
Pilgrim on August 11, 2007 at 11:15 PM
Yeah, I sure do. I’m just surprised to see him so high, frankly. I didn’t know him before the debates and has done nothing to impress me. But somebody likes him. I’d like to know why.
Spirit of 1776 on August 11, 2007 at 11:18 PM
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