Bombshell? NASA revises recent U.S. temperatures downward after Y2K bug fix Updated
posted at 7:07 pm on August 9, 2007 by Allahpundit
Via Ace and Tigerhawk, we’re all probably better off if I don’t try to summarize it for you and you simply read this amazing post instead. Carefully, please. Including/especially the updates, noting in particular the conclusion of Update #3. Then read this post and see what sort of effort had to be made to expose the flaw here, notwithstanding — or rather, because of — the enormous political and financial investment that’s been staked on these numbers. I’d have noted the staggering irony of the role James Hansen is alleged to have played in it but Ace beat me to it so all credit to him. Remarkable, isn’t it, how we’re assured that this is the most important scientific issue of our time and yet one of the basic calculations from which the evidence is derived has to be reverse engineered from the data in order to check it. Can we at least get some peer review before we build the ark?
Here are the new numbers dating back to 1880. As you can see, there’s still a trend towards warming since the mid 1970s or so; the cooling period before that was, supposedly, the product of industrial sulphate pollutants inadvertently reflecting sunlight in the atmosphere, which cooled the planet. The sulphates have been reduced now and so, the theory goes, the warming has begun again. You’ll find the money data in table form here: 1998, which was once alleged to have been the hottest year in a millennium, is now the second hottest behind … 1934. 2001 used to be the eighth-hottest year on record but now, after the data was recalculated, it’s slipped out of the top ten, replaced by … 1939. To quote Coyote Blog:
All of these necessary revisions to surface temperatures will likely not make warming trends go away completely. What it may do is bring the warming down to match the much lower satellite measured warming numbers we have, and will make current warming look more like past natural warming trends (e.g. early in this century) rather than a catastrophe created by man. In my global warming book, I argue that future man-made warming probably will exist, but will be more like a half to one degree over the coming decades than the media-hyped numbers that are ten times higher.
Whether that’s true or not, I obviously have no idea. Expect some furious pushback about it from the Goracle’s acolytes very, very soon.
Exit question: Not counting Fox News, how much media attention do you suppose will be paid to this story?
Update (Bryan): “Former NASA guy” hat on for a second, this is a pretty big deal. Money quote from Coyote Blog:
I cannot get over the irony that in the same week Newsweek makes the case that climate science is settled and there is no room for skepticism, skeptics discover a gaping hole and error in the global warming numbers.
The discontinuity in the data should have been a serious red flag for Hansen et al, but what we’re probably seeing here is the effect of personality and agenda on the scientific process. They assumed they were right, and either discounted or didn’t even notice the discontinuity that occurred at 2000. When I say that personality had an effect, here’s what I mean by that. After Hansen became the most famous “silenced” scientist since Galileo and particularly since he was battling Bush, he became a titan to the vast majority of the people I worked with in the earth science field at NASA (an admittedly small slice of that field, but also the top couple of echelons of it at the Goddard Space Flight Center). Questioning him in any way invited hostile stares and could limit a career. When I say that agenda played a role, if you ever manage to get onto the GSFC and find yourself outside any of the couple of earth science buildings, take note of the bumper stickers on most of the cars. They’re faded and pealing and say in big, bold letters “Dean for President.”
That said, there were people within NASA’s earth science groups like Dr. Michael King who said that they found the agenda-driven science frustrating, an in particular the effect that overzealous public affairs officers were having on the way the science was being reported to the press. In one story relayed during a meeting I attended at Goddard in 2005, several of the scientists and visualizers talked about public affairs reporting on some Landsat (iirc it was Landsat) imagery of Mt. Kilimanjaro and its icecap. The satellite photos showed the moutain’s ice cap receeding due to seasonal change; public affairs reported the photos as evidence that global warming was causing the ice cap’s retreat. Public affairs was hyping the stories to the press, which in turn added even more hype. The public has been getting earth science reporting that’s hyped, squared.
Perhaps the deflation that Hansen ought to get due to his basic error on the Y2K bug in his data will spark a broader reevaluation of his work and of the way science is reported via press offices that are conduits of earth science to the public. It’s long over due.
Update (bp): Inconvenient timing.
The next decade will be a hot one, according to scientists unveiling the first 10-year projection of global warming.
The climate projection, published today in the journal Science, suggests that a natural cooling trend in eastern and southern Pacific ocean waters has kept a lid on warming in recent years.
And it will continue to do so, scientists say, but not for long.
The projection spans 2006 to 2015. “At least half of the years after 2009 are predicted to be warmer than 1998, the warmest year currently on record,” the researchers say in their report.
Not anymore.
Update: Then again…










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now now you know its only exxon propaganda the Goricle should have set you straight
William Amos on August 9, 2007 at 7:13 PM
Zero attention or less….depending on the model used.
PatrickS on August 9, 2007 at 7:17 PM
Heretics.
JayHaw Phrenzie on August 9, 2007 at 7:20 PM
Wait a minute, the data had to be revised because someone made a mistake?
or because someone falsified the data?
rockhauler on August 9, 2007 at 7:21 PM
Oh! Well, then, nevermind
/emily_litella
Bad Penny on August 9, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Heretical tools of the evil oil barons. Don’t they know the science is settled.
Algore is bigger than your puny facts and you must kneel to his greater political influence.
TunaTalon on August 9, 2007 at 7:22 PM
This has nothing to with science.
It’s all religious.
Pray to the church of global warming and repent.
®Goracle Inc
Kini on August 9, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Anyone here care to remind us again how super-smart Newt Gingrich was for acquiescing to this rubbish?
Watcher on August 9, 2007 at 7:26 PM
So are we still all going to die, or should I keep putting money into the 401k?
frankj on August 9, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Actually, Newt has a conservative approach which I found somewhat reasonable. Green Conservatism
Kini on August 9, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Yes, we are still mortal, however, Newt’s run for the presidency just died a quick death.
omnipotent on August 9, 2007 at 7:34 PM
Thou Shall Not Question the Goracle
Kini on August 9, 2007 at 7:37 PM
Does this mean Santa Barbara will have to reroute their blue climate change line?
Nosferightu on August 9, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Great post, AP.
If anyone wants to compare, here are the old NASA numbers (cached) and new NASA numbers for convenience.
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Amazing. And truly incredible timing. Is there anyone in the MSM with the guts to cover this?
John on August 9, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Damn, man, don’t make me howl. It’s almost as smart as having an affair while criticizing Clinton for lying about it.
Oh, and Newt was giving his wife a play-by-play description each morning?
Now, back on topic. And what a great topic it is!
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Able to guzzle more energy than dozens of normal men! Producing more hot air than a locomotive! Able to pile up carbon credits higher than a tall building in a single bound!!!
Look UP in the sky! It’s ChickenLittle! It’s FlyingSnakeOilSalesman! It the Sultan of Chads! It’s the Ayatollah of Heat! No, it’s CarbonMan in a private jet painted green with an internet connection that he invented himself and is now using to fix NASA’s heretical data!!
CarbonMan, strange visitor from an alternate reality who came to Earth with claims and scary predictions far beyond those of mortal men, disguised as fat Albert, and now joined by other members of the Royal Green League such as HummerMan and EcoCleaningWoman, they all fight a never ending battle for science-fiction, hypocrisy and the Hollywood way!
MB4 on August 9, 2007 at 7:45 PM
My world warmed up when I moved to Arizona two years ago!
The truth about Global Warming won’t stand in the way of the MSM to keep lying about it. Never let some good facts get in the way of your story. John Stossel might take it. That would be cool. I am encouraged by polls that show the majority of people really don’t buy into the global warming hype, despite a lot of people’s best efforts.
Ordinary1 on August 9, 2007 at 7:48 PM
Thanks for the links, AllahP. The Coyoteblog post describes the excellent number-crunching involved in exposing the error. The teeth-grindingly obvious point, however, is that such number-crunching is basic to the way experimental scientists operate. A lowly research assistant should have spotted the error well before any results were published.
So much for the data: now let us look at James Hansen. The article claims that he will not publish the raw temperature data and the algorithms used to aggregate them into a corrected measurement. If this is true, then you might as well throw all his published research into the trash. A scientist who will not publish the data to qualified colleagues is by definition someone with an ulterior motive.
Anton on August 9, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Global warming freaks are like Kini said: “religious” about it. This means it is not knowledge but belief that drives them. There is a big difference between believing and knowing. When you are a scientist you know what your data set suggests. But you are willing to revise the conclusion as more data is gathered.
By nature of it’s own definition Faith is when you believe in something that can’t be proven.
So like with any belief system the believers will not be swayed by the truth or facts.
If we had 10 consecutive years of freezing temps in Texas in August it would not change their fanatical little brains, in fact the would just say that global warming works in mysterious ways.
TheSitRep on August 9, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Rush spoke of this today!!!!
trainwife1962 on August 9, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Rush is da bomb.
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 7:56 PM
Whoa, SitRep, you put your finger on their religion:
This is exactly right.
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 7:57 PM
I knew Global Warming was all a scam. Have you seen where the weather service places temperature reading devices? Pretty much anywhere. Next to a sewage processing plant. Next to a chimney. Next to an ac unit. The data is messed up.
SoulGlo on August 9, 2007 at 8:00 PM
[trainwife1962 on August 9, 2007 at 7:49 PM]
I hope Rush talks about it for a month.
Dusty on August 9, 2007 at 8:12 PM
It’s all academic. In a few years we’ll be in the midst of a nuclear winter. We’ll reminisce fondly about greenhouse gases as we leave our carbon snowshoe prints along the beaches of Florida.
RedWinged Blackbird on August 9, 2007 at 8:16 PM
If Gore says he invented the Internet I can envision him making up man-made global warming as well.
I love useless headlines about it being hot…in SUMMER! The media are a bunch of tools!
SouthernGent on August 9, 2007 at 8:16 PM
Gee, Bryan, make AP bump this back up to a Top Pick.
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Let’s hold on a minute here. We can’t have FACTS driving the global warming discussion. Sheesh!
Mojave Mark on August 9, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Heh. You ever try to make a deity do anything?
Bryan on August 9, 2007 at 8:41 PM
I guess it depends on what the new global numbers are. Anyone crunching those?
bnelson44 on August 9, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Gee. Can you imagine if the Iraq war turns out successful and Global Warming data is publicly bunked before the Presidential election?
What’s left for the Dems — “choice”?
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 8:56 PM
*debunked
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 8:57 PM
What kind of government scientific body refuses to release their methodologies and algorithms? It’s outrageous. Somebody needs to file a freedom of information suit!
TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2007 at 9:01 PM
Very good point. Michelle?
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Yes, my husband grumbled a bunch when he saw our local one. They are supposed to be a certain distance from buildings, not right next to them.
MamaAJ on August 9, 2007 at 9:11 PM
12,000 years ago NORTHERN ice caps 2 miles deep were as far south as St Louis , Turkey and nearly to Athens Greece.
6,000 years ago the Sahara was in the tropics. Tropical trees and animals, lakes, huge rivers…now it’s all sand.
The earth IS getting warmer.
Oh, people are to blame?
damn Pharoahs and pyramid builders, ruined it for all of us.
shooter on August 9, 2007 at 9:27 PM
Bryan: your update on the political atmosphere at Goddard is very interesting. I think that those who assert that all “deniers” are on someone’s payroll don’t realize the political promotion pressures and grant issues involved in the AGW field.
Remember, Hansen received a $250,000 grant from Teresa Kerry’s Tides Foundation before the 2004 election.
juliesa on August 9, 2007 at 9:28 PM
And thus we have a good demonstration of the difference between science and faith. (Unfortunately, I’m not sure where the MSM gets their inspiration from on this issue…but put that aside for the moment.) The science will be revised and refined to reflect the updated data unlike a challenge to religion, which can only be vehemently denied or ignored. The flawed dataset is far from the only source on which the theory is based, which is why you will see few people switch camps to global warming “skeptics”.
So in the short term have a good old time tossing around pejoratives at Gore and Co.; they had it coming with their alarmism, eco-moralizing and hypocrisy. But make no mistake about it, global warming theory is far from invalidated and we will likely be dealing with its repercussions for the rest of our lives.
starflyer on August 9, 2007 at 9:33 PM
Bryan, the fact that this error was found by an outsider who was denied access to the methodology and algorithms means it should have been obvious to the insiders who had all the relevant information. It should cause Hansen to resign in disgrace or be removed for incompetence and trigger a top to bottom review of that entire department. Anything less is dereliction of duty and willful neglect! It’s outrageous!
TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Exit question: Not counting Fox News, how much media attention do you suppose will be paid to this story?
I saw Brit Hume report on the weather stations in Tucson and Minnesota a month ago but I must have missed it on CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC and MSNBC. Actually that’s not totally true. I can’t speak for MSNBC cuz it never comes too mind to check on.
oakpack on August 9, 2007 at 9:43 PM
How can there still be global warming believers now that we know the temperature is the same as it was 70 years ago? Sheesh, talk about faith. With this and the graph that temperature closely follows the interval between max sunspot activity, there really isn’t much to talk about climate-wise except predict when the next ice age will begin.
pedestrian on August 9, 2007 at 9:54 PM
As mentioned above, the person who found this error had to do so by reverse engineering the data because the AGW adherents do not cooperate with anyone who double-checks their work.
And the person is one who has been smeared repeatedly by the AGW adherents and their sycophants.
One that is not doing science. And this is the core issue with most of the AGW adherents, they are not scientists, they are propagandists.
SPQR on August 9, 2007 at 9:57 PM
Hmmm. And people were wondering if Newsweek and Gore were working together to mount a new offensive against the “deniers”. Makes me wonder if they knew this was coming.
If you’ll excuse me now, I need to run to the store for more tin foil.
taznar on August 9, 2007 at 9:58 PM
starflyer,
If you don’t realize just how many of the “datasets” that the AGW adherents rely upon are actually as flawed, then you really have not been paying attention to the details of the debate.
SPQR on August 9, 2007 at 9:58 PM
Falsified data in the guise of a Y2K bug would be my guess. Y2K should not effect any computer hardware or software manufactured or written with the last thirty years. Surely their hardware/software is more up-to-date than that. Granted, if you are still using software written in the 1950′s or 1960′s then Y2K could cause a problem, but you should have become aware of that problem on January 1, 2000. With all the fraud compounded by fraud that has been discovered in global warming hype, I have got to believe they were falsifying the data. Why would that surprise anyone ?
Remember this major fraud by the IPCC, in June of 1996 ?
A Major Deception on Global Warming
If you take time to read the above article, you will see that the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, United Nations) simply deleted all data from The Science of Climate Change 1995 report that cast any doubt whatsoever on their political theory of man-made Global Warming.
And this is the tip of the non-melting iceberg, I could provide many links to all types of fraudulent statements made by global warming “scientist” if I wanted to take the time to do so. And if I get time… I will try to provide a few a little later.
It’s all fraud… there is no global warming beyond what is perfectly normal. But Al Gore is STILL selling carbon offsets if your interested. Get’em now… while there HOT !!!
Maxx on August 9, 2007 at 9:59 PM
National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has 1221 weather stations around the country which it uses to collect temperature data.
Anthony Watts, a former TV meteorologist from CA, has been working to get every weather station physically checked to see if it is installed according to protocol and operating correctly.
Volunteers are taking pictures and sending in information. There is fascinating and laughable pictures at his websites, one is: Watts Up With That?
You can see pictures of weather stations next to intense heat sources: asphalt, roofs, exhaust fans, etc. and one sinking into a swamp.
INC on August 9, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Correction: Y2K should not effect any computer hardware or software that has been adequately tested.
If it’s giving you the answers you want, why fix it?
pedestrian on August 9, 2007 at 10:14 PM
Mr. Watts has not gone unnoticed. He had been accessing public weather data from the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) the keeper of weather records, including weather station records.
Since then he wrote on July 7:
Interesting, isn’t it, how the “scientific” community really doesn’t appreciate their ox being gored?
INC on August 9, 2007 at 10:14 PM
No joke. This topic needs a serious counter-offensive.
Thanks for posting this. I think this is big news – worthy of the bombshell label.
Spirit of 1776 on August 9, 2007 at 10:15 PM
Your right, global warming hysteria is base on much more than the hard data, in fact all of the super-hype has come from the computer models. Which of course are just programs in which any variable can be plugged in by the high-Priests of global warming. You know who I’m talking about… those guys with a direct economic interest in global warming being real… otherwise their funding goes to zero.
Those are the same computer models that have been consistently WRONG…. WAY WAY WRONG !! But you are correct… global warming theory is based on just about everything EXCEPT the HARD DATA.
This adjustment to the ground temperatures will bring that data set more in line with the satellite data, which is showing no warming whatsoever… and perhaps a slight cooling trend.
Have you purchased any carbon offsets yet ?
Oh… and could you please tell me where the icecaps are melting and the sea is rising… I would really like to know.
Maxx on August 9, 2007 at 10:17 PM
From coyoteblog:
I want a refund from the government for the billions of dollars spent on environmental studies.
desertdweller on August 9, 2007 at 10:28 PM
Maxx, those are the lines I was thinking along. This is a critical part of the data set the computer models are based on. Most people have heard the phrase “garbage in = garbage out”. That’s especially true for computer models. And that’s on top of all of the simplifications made to make the model workable and the uncertainty in all the other data used to “seed” the models.
As I’ve said since the AGW hysteria started, these models are great tools for research, helping determine what we do and don’t correctly understand about the climate. However anyone who would rely on them to predict the future only demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding with regard to the purpose of the computer models.
taznar on August 9, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Maxx says:
… time to sell all those carbon offset futures, eh?
desertdweller on August 9, 2007 at 10:36 PM
You raise a very good point. And if people would just recall, the federal government passed a law in early 1999 that mandated all computer hardware and software be certified that it was not susceptible to the “Y2K bug”. We had to do it to all of our software and computers where I work, even the stuff that was brand new. Didn’t NASA do the certification on their computers ? If not, why not ? Something very strange going on, don’t you think ?
Probably as you say… if it’s giving you the data you want, why “fix it.”
Maxx on August 9, 2007 at 10:37 PM
That’s a huge point. And makes a Freedom of Information request for these public records, especially the software code, that much more important.
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 10:45 PM
They spent four BILLION dollars last year and nearly that much the year before. And lesser amounts going all the way back to the early 1990′s…. all of that money for a TOTAL FRAUD.
And we’ve got bridges falling down killing people. How many bridges and how much infrastructure would all of those billions purchased ? All of this wasted money should be a high priority 2008 election issue. When are we going to stop the nonsense ?
Maxx on August 9, 2007 at 10:47 PM
Oops.
Get the popcorn, boys. This should be good.
Professor Blather on August 9, 2007 at 10:51 PM
I’m drooling, but don’t have time to read this until later… thanks for the post guys, I can’t wait
RightWinged on August 9, 2007 at 11:04 PM
OK, global warming has been disproven and the surge is working, but, but, but, but ….. heh, um, there’s still no political progress in Iraq … and, um, bridges, yeh, there a big mess thanks to Bush … and mines collapsing …. and hurricanes on the horizon, pretty big ones too …. and … Libby protected Cheney and Haliburton … and …. Gonzalez is a liar, maybe, and …. there’s not enough armor for our troops, and Bush is about to invade Iran … and the sky is falling.
It’s never going to end.
Dems should forget about the “Pledge of Allegiance” and recite a “Pledge of Grievance”.
fogw on August 9, 2007 at 11:17 PM
fogw, hear, hear.
Christoph on August 9, 2007 at 11:18 PM
I’m floored! Man made warming is real! They are warming the thermometers! It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. Just like the Government: SNAFU.
TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Truth to despotism.
RushBaby on August 9, 2007 at 11:32 PM
I run system fault analysis for software… trust me, there are more bugs than this in the data.
FACT: North Pole is melting…
FACT: Ice at the SOUTH POLE is getting thicker…
FACT: The way they run the temp deltas is to take all the data points, and average the deltas…
FACT: Most of the Temp stations are in the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE (which is warming, while the south is cooling).
So, the Northern change is weighted much more than the sourthern change in the data…. because it has more data points…
Real basic math stuff here folks…
Romeo13 on August 9, 2007 at 11:42 PM
TheBigOldDog, one of my favorite pictures from Watts’ site is from July, I believe. It’s of a weather station with a prime location: it’s reading temperatures in a parking lot in Tucson AZ.
INC on August 9, 2007 at 11:57 PM
Now.. it just dawned on me….
Tell me who was that guy that invented the internet…?
Yeeah.. right.. that’s what I thought…..hummmm.
Right… the internet was bugged from the get go to register the wrong temperature.
OH THE TALES HE SPINS!!
On other news:
FUNNY!! Now that’s the stuff I live for!!
Mcguyver on August 9, 2007 at 11:59 PM
Probably from this source…. which we’ve all come to know and trust… ahem …. the New York Times
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S. Fred Singer, an atmospheric physicist, is Research Fellow at the Independent Institute, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia, and former founding Director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service. He is author of Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming’s Unfinished Debate (The Independent Institute, 1997)
Explains why the “North Pole is Melting” …. hint (not because of global warming Nor is this a recent phenomenon.
Maxx on August 10, 2007 at 12:02 AM
You quite plainly have no firsthand knowledge of the matter.
Kralizec on August 10, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Actually I do, what is your objection to my statement ?
Maxx on August 10, 2007 at 12:25 AM
And the sad part is that the websites of both Steve McIntyre and Anthony Watts are now down. Last I heard, McIntyre’s was hacked and Watt’s seems to have a domain hijack or something. His surfacestations.org domain no longer resolves in DNS.
crosspatch on August 10, 2007 at 12:54 AM
ClimateAudit.org is under DOS attack. I guess that’s what the left means when it says, “The debate is over.”
Christoph on August 10, 2007 at 1:06 AM
Okay, so it looks like Anthony’s problem is that his DNS server is at the end of his T1 circuit that is down and he doesn’t have anyone off his net doing secondary DNS for him. Not that it would matter but at least if the domain resolves mail won’t bounce … it will be delayed but it won’t bounce. If your domain’s DNS servers are unreachable and your domain doesn’t resolve, most mailers won’t retry, they just bounce it.
crosspatch on August 10, 2007 at 1:17 AM
3 am this morning it was 85 degrees with 89% humidity…I could be convinced warming is taking place, but then when it goes to 70 degrees, I could be convinced global cooling is happening. All within a week…Gore is right, his time is wrong, everything happens in weeks, not years or decades.
right2bright on August 10, 2007 at 1:22 AM
Yep… never said the North Pole melting was caused by Man… its a natural phenomenon.
My point is that the Earth is actualy in a fair state of equalibrium… if you actualy look at the data and weight it correctly.
Romeo13 on August 10, 2007 at 1:24 AM
So the data is wrong, and we are actually entering an ice age. The response is: See we (they are the same people)were right in the 60′s. The fact that the data is off does not matter, what matters is that the variance is there. The cycles are extreme because of blah blah blah…
The freezing will cause widespread famine, economic choas, blah blah blah.
Some cute animal is frezzing to death blah blah blah.
America has to cut back on their production, blah blah blah.
Gore will be investing in frozen carbon offsets.
right2bright on August 10, 2007 at 1:32 AM
Romeo13 on August 10, 2007 at 1:24 AM
That’s a relief. I thought you had “gone-over” to the New York Times.
Maxx on August 10, 2007 at 1:35 AM
Damn- I was all set to follow Vin’s advice:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz69.html“>
I’d better stop watching Fox with their insane dissenting
views, so I can feel better about my Earth-cooling efforts!
Record LOW temps this week in Mexifornia aka: S.F. Bayiareah.
Arayo
arayosunshine on August 10, 2007 at 1:44 AM
I will state it again…the earth was cold before it was warm! And I supported it then, and I support it now.
right2bright on August 10, 2007 at 1:49 AM
Actually, the data is still more wrong and there are some things yet to be corrected. They did notice first of all that all years after 2000 were adjusted down by 0.15 degrees but 2006, the one hot year of that series was adjusted down only 0.10 degrees so while it was reduced it is now hotter relative to surrounding years than it was.
But more important is the work Anthony Watts has been doing documenting the USHCN network. So far they have found weather stations in the middle of asphalt parking lots in Arizona, on rooftops of commercial buildings in California, next to incinerators, next to jet aircraft parking, next to air conditioner exhausts … it is just amazing.
Once the errors in the current adjustments are worked out, it looks like they are going to need to further adjust the temps down due to station siting that doesn’t meet USHCN’s own regulations for sites.
In other words, once they fix the adjustment to the raw data, the next issue is going to be that the raw data itself is garbage to begin with.
crosspatch on August 10, 2007 at 1:50 AM
Hey, it does accurately show an increase in asphalt production and vehicle and air conditioning use, by directly warming the thermometers.
So let’s not say the data is useless.
Christoph on August 10, 2007 at 1:54 AM
Well done. Much better than the original data that was “cooked” up.
Texas Nick 77 on August 10, 2007 at 2:37 AM
I doubt it, because
None. If history is an indicator, even Fox will barely touch it. Fox & Friends may talk about it, but I don’t know. I’d be shocked if O’Reilly did. You know Shep is downing a few more at the Manhole tonight if he read this just so he can make it go away. Hannity would be the most likely candidate to bring it up, but he’s an ass in how he handles the issue and always makes our side look stupid, when us “skeptics” have clearly been right to even a child when presented with the proper arguments. Hannity can’t seem to stop whining about Gore et al’s hypocrisy, which is valid, but he can’t get away from that to focus on debunking MMGW which is what he should be doing.
RightWinged on August 10, 2007 at 2:49 AM
This has to be one of the most humiliating events in science that I have ever heard of. I can’t believe Hansen would show his face anywhere after this. What a moron.
progressoverpeace on August 10, 2007 at 2:51 AM
It isn’t just Hansen. Not A SINGLE ONE of the major “scientists” or “researchers” producing papers concluding that there is man made global warming has released their data or methods that I know of. Even Mann who made the infamous and now discredited “hockey stick” graph has to this day not released the raw data he used or the calculations he used on them.
For some reason climate science is exempt from the same standards that other science is held to. Even in violation of the very standards of the journals that publish their work. They are simply allowed to get away with it.
Hey, where can I get a generator that runs on snake oil?
crosspatch on August 10, 2007 at 2:56 AM
By the way folks, this is (OR SHOULD BE) the story of the year… and outside of 9/11, the story of recent memory, perhaps of our lives.
In a fair world, this would likely mark the turning point. It would be the first domino falling, and would eventually lead to the jailing of people like Al Gore (am I coming off like a wild Kossack? I don’t care, I’m serious). The impact global warmists have had on the world, from shaping laws to spending billions of tax dollars, to getting funding simply because every idiot scientist can tie their pet project to “global warming”, etc. etc. I honestly want people locked up for lying to us. I’m that furious.
Not to mention, I think the guys who are breaking this thing open are still being too cautious because even the revised down numbers are probably still too high, based on (if you read all the links) the weather instruments taking the readings being set up in such questionable ways. SurfaceStations.org will get you started. They make a very compelling case that these stations are compromised by being on hot rooftops and parking lights, right next to cars, etc.
Again, this SHOULD BE, but won’t be the biggest story. It should be on the cover of every paper and the media should treat this like Anna Nicole times 1000! We have generations being brainwashed with this global warming bullsh** and virtually all claims made by it’s supporters ARE PROVEN LIES!
I’m afraid we’re in for a depressing As this will get no legs in the media my friends.
RightWinged on August 10, 2007 at 2:56 AM
HAha, Hansen is such an ass… even as this comes out, look what this trickster is up to today
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901857.html
What a POS. Again, am I the only one who thinks people like this ought to be jailed when global warming is finally revealed to be a complete hoax?
I try not to hate people, but I think I hate this guy.
RightWinged on August 10, 2007 at 2:59 AM
Have you heard of civil war?
Christoph on August 10, 2007 at 3:01 AM
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