UK FOM: Let’s give up our UN seat
posted at 2:09 pm on August 7, 2007 by Bryan
UK Foreign Office Minister Mark Malloch-Brown, a wholly owned subsidiary of Soros International (there’s more than one link in that phrase), said prior to his becoming FM that the UK ought to cede its seat on the UNSC to the European Union:
Last October, when Lord Malloch-Brown was the UN’s deputy secretary general, he told EU diplomats in Brussels that the EU was heading towards one single seat within the UN institutions. “I think it will go in stages. We are going to see a growing spread of it institution by institution,” he was reported as saying.
Lord Malloch-Brown said he hoped it would happen “as quickly as possible. I’m a huge fan of it.”
PM Gordon Brown says there’s no move afoot to give up the UK seat, but of course there actually is an incremental move to cede UK foreign policy to the EU, without anything as messy as democracy getting in the way.
Lord Malloch-Brown is an interesting and very influential creature, a transnational progressive of the first order who can be seen on the world stage here and there, taking turns at bat for the Soros set, papering over massive corruption at the UN and causing and exploiting policy differences between the transnational left and the US.
And here he is, quoted wanting to end the UK’s relevance in the world by ceding authority to the anonymous technocrats at the EU. When that happens, Soros gains and the US loses.
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What possible benefit could a permanent member gain by ceding its seat that could outweigh the loss of its veto?
aunursa on August 7, 2007 at 2:14 PM
Eventual globalization. Soros’s goal?
apostle53 on August 7, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Sure Mr. Brown, you just tell the British Public that the UK will cede its’ seat, but France (anyone think they’ll cede anything?)will keep hers with Gualist glee. Then we can find out how fast you can run!
trubble on August 7, 2007 at 2:24 PM
Maybe John Kerry won an election after all.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on August 7, 2007 at 2:25 PM
Lord Malloch-Brown is a totalitarian thug.
Much fewer words, same idea….
ScottG on August 7, 2007 at 2:25 PM
I watched Mark Malloch-Brown at the UN trying to cover over for the Oil-For-Food scandal. On first sight I thought he was really slick. After a few more performances it became clear that he was slick only when rubbed in the same direction as his scales.
The man should be given the same respect as any other poisonous snake.
TunaTalon on August 7, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Wow, anti-federalism will be the death of Europe. Slick way to hush up those pesky, unenlightened new America allies in the East. After all, they’ve only lived through Marxism – why should they be resistant to the next wave?
Hannibal Smith on August 7, 2007 at 2:31 PM
IMHO, the U.S. should walk from the U.N. and cede our seat as well; along with all the funding we provide (which is the majority of it’s resources). Once the Oil-for-Food Scandal broke, and we learned WHY certain countries adversely voted to (not) enforce the 17 sanctions Saddam violated (prior to our “unilateral” undertaking of the war), it was clear that that agency is as corrupt and unnecessary as many of our own domestic, bureaucratic government agencies; not to mention the multiple countries complicit in Saddam’s criminal activities that also sought to undermine the U.S..
As far as I’m concerned, we should cease interaction & support of the U.N. and drop concern of World Opinion; I know that “isolation” isn’t a grand idea nor am I suggesting it, but we must send a message that our country will not stand for corruption on a global scale; then start by ousting and impeaching our own elected officials who’ve run on one platform of promises and subsequently run off with an entirely different agenda of their own greed and power.
Further, political grandstanding, such as Murtha, Reid, Pelosi, Biden, Clinton, Boxer, Obama, et al should not be tolerated but exposed by each of us.
nationspatriotcom on August 7, 2007 at 2:48 PM
EU gets a seat in exchange for UK & France – it’s only proper.
But surely France will never do that. They prefer their own vote (never deserved from the start) plus virtual majority control of the EU(UK) vote.
Stephen M on August 7, 2007 at 2:51 PM
Right. Let’s give all the terrorist countries more clout in the UN by ceding the power of individual European countries to the EU.
Blake on August 7, 2007 at 2:52 PM
Hey, as long as were talking about cecession, can we cede OUR seat in the UN, on the condition all of our funding to them remains with us and they get the hell out of New York?
If so, I’m totally willing to follow Markey Mark’s ceding idea.
BKennedy on August 7, 2007 at 2:52 PM
I agree.
Take England’s away…and give it to India.
see-dubya on August 7, 2007 at 2:53 PM
We already have globalization. That is irreversible. What he wants is globalization without borders. He wants to remove all traces of nationalism until we are all simply “citizens of the world.”
Connie on August 7, 2007 at 2:55 PM
The UK sharing a single seat with France and the other EU member nations could force France to stop being so obstructionist all the time. Let’s face it…the time for France to sit at that table on its own merits is long gone. The UK isn’t at that point…yet. As an economic powerhouse, Japan deserves a permanent seat much more than does France…as a representative of large numbers of people, India has France beat by a mile. But if the UK and France share theirs, while including the other EU members as one unified EU seat, that keeps them both in the game.
James on August 7, 2007 at 3:03 PM
By the way, Allah, did you mean Halliburton-investing, convicted inside-trader George Soros?
I just wanted to make sure we’re talking about the same guy.
see-dubya on August 7, 2007 at 3:06 PM
How many times in the last two centuries have European nations gone to war with one another? And we’ve still got what, 92 or so to go in this one? Not a problem!
All we, the US, has to do is stop providing (read paying) for their common defense and the whole thing slides right down the loo, just behind Soros!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on August 7, 2007 at 3:09 PM
Duh, sorry, I mean Bryan, not Allah.
see-dubya on August 7, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Geez, chalk up another British surrender. Are they becoming the new France? I guess for “progressives”, white flags are their “little black dress”.
CP on August 7, 2007 at 3:23 PM
The very presence of Mark Malloch Brown undermines anything pro-U.S. that has or ever will come out of the mouth of Gordon Brown. He is de facto evidence that Gordon Brown is a Sorosian scumbag.
Jaibones on August 7, 2007 at 3:31 PM
I understand the frustration that lead us to want to withdraw from the UN, but I would suggest that leaving the UN is a dangerous move. It would leave the UN an anti-American club. The right answer is to keep the UN in New York, pay like a quarter of our “dues”, and veto just about everything in the Security Council. Making the UN a pointless organization is a far better strategy than withdrawal.
To combat the UN, I urge a renewal of the long -standing Republican commitment to state’s right and following it seriously. What Ashcroft achieved by trying to attack Oregon’s right-to-die law at the federal level was to hand a golden opportunity for the left to mock Republican commitment to state’s right. I have made the state’s rights argument over twenty times to intelligent moonbats who have come back with what Ashcroft did. Ashcroft made a huge mistake for the long-run interest of the Republican Party, state’s right, and ultimately our right not to be governed by the UN. Let’s never repeat it. We simply can’t afford to–unless we want to hand Soros a golden opportunity to use the one ring to bind us in darkness.
thuja on August 7, 2007 at 3:33 PM
Interesting scenario: UK and France sell their seats to the EU- giving the anti-American forces at work in an increasingly Muslim dominated part of the world two votes out of five in the real heart of the UN. Before long the UN will be officially declaring Israel a terrorist state, declaring Palestine is the real nation…. etc.
It’s going to happen folks. I say cut our losses now. Withdraw from this irrelevant organization, shut down Turtle Bay, and throw all the rat bastard despots out of America once and for all.
highhopes on August 7, 2007 at 3:40 PM
Alternative course of action:
Move the UN headquarters from Turtle Bay to the Green Zone in Baghdad, or North Korea, or Tehran, or Sudan…… somewhere that would economically benefit. Or better yet, make the UN HQ mobile. This years session in Iraq, next years session in Zimbabwe. Let all the fat cat delegates that have become too comfortable in NYC go to the vilest places in the world, the most primative, the most despotic, the most in need of world intervention.
highhopes on August 7, 2007 at 3:45 PM
NOW you’re talking… I’m in. Only then will these ‘statesmen’ of fortune understand the bigger picture.
nationspatriotcom on August 7, 2007 at 3:49 PM
You can have our seat, and take the U.N. with you.
right2bright on August 7, 2007 at 4:00 PM
I guess that’d mean france would have to give up its seat too, correct? The EU and france couldn’t have one. That wouldn’t make sense.
lorien1973 on August 7, 2007 at 4:05 PM
Brave New World or have they visions of Childhood’s End as we evolve into godhead?………doesn’t matter….they will end up digging trenches across France again. It will all come crashing down when they can’t eat because the American breadbasket has been taxed out of exsistance. Glad I’m something-ish. Wolves to sheep to wolves again. Fatalism is grand.
Limerick on August 7, 2007 at 4:15 PM
Hear, Hear! Send the UN packing, once and for all…
Miss_Anthrope on August 7, 2007 at 4:20 PM
sorry, meant to reference:
Miss_Anthrope on August 7, 2007 at 4:21 PM
It appears that, in contradiction to the lessons of history, Soros is determined to create a socialist society on a world scale. Even as the UE is failing in that experience, he is pushing it forward and blaming the size of the membership and the failure of the bureaucracy to handle the size.
Why do I think that assurances that the bureaucracy would stay small, was a big part of getting membership? Now we have Soros admitting that the process to bring about the EU open society is based on each change being small, but ultimately inadequate requiring further changes. In other words, a slippery slope.
So now he wants a EU foreign policy, but rejects the USA’s war on Islamo-fascism as the root of further terrorism and suggests the US has lost it’s influence to set the worlds global agenda.
Sounds to me like he wants the US out of the way. Not all at once, but in the same way the EU was formed. A little at a time. And guess what? Hillary is headed in the same direction. God help us if that socialist becomes president.
csdeven on August 7, 2007 at 4:32 PM
Spooky.
Thank goodness that NAU hysteria has died down, wouldn’t want to preserve freedom by going overboard…
Soon we will be the only light shining from the West. We must persevere and win in Iraq. Democracy there is far more important for us if Britain becomes what the EU desires.
Theworldisnotenough on August 7, 2007 at 4:53 PM
This is a fantastic idea! BUT, France must relinquish to the EU for it to be fair. I love some of the ideas here and, although I would love to have the UN packed & kicked out of NY, I agree with some here stating that that would be a little hasty. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I wish we’d cut our funded to minimal at best. Let that organization flounder about, eh? VETO, VETO, VETO. It kind of the old independent voter’s adage, right? Repubs in one branch, Dems in another, that way nothing ever actually gets done.
Sultry Beauty on August 7, 2007 at 5:00 PM
This bonehead is no Drake, Churchill, Thatcher, or Shackleton. That is for sure.
TheSitRep on August 7, 2007 at 5:04 PM
Soros is a very dangerous man. The irony is that he wants to destroy freedom and the West, the very entities which have allowed him to become who he is.
Entelechy on August 7, 2007 at 5:05 PM
I used to think this talk of a One World government was a bunch of right wing paranoia. But not anymore. You can see the push for that very thing. And behind it, you can see the motive.
It is really Marxism by stealth. We all join Together under one Banner, for the Good of the People, all differences pushed aside, as we all March in unison into the 21st Century. You can almost hear the Russian male chorus singing.
Shades of 100 years ago. Except this time, a lot more clever, and a lot less transparent.
jihadwatcher on August 7, 2007 at 5:31 PM
“What possible benefit could a permanent member gain by ceding its seat that could outweigh the loss of its veto?”
Perhaps the feeling is that the UK will never use its veto independently of the US, and that the US and UK will always have the same foreign policy goals, and that giving up something that is essentially worthless will please the EU. Step two dot dot dot, step three profit.
The last time I recall Britain ever grumbling about a veto was during the Falklands War, when there was the risk that the UN might impose a ceasefire, thus preventing Britain from negotiating a ceasefire from the position of total victorious victory. I can picture Margaret Thatcher using her UN veto, but only with US approval; and I cannot picture any British politician today using his or her veto under any circumstances ever.
Except George Galloway. If he ever becomes Prime Minister I can see him vetoing everything the US proposes, and then some. Perhaps the UK government secretly believes all is lost in the long term, and is destroying the veto just as the South African government destroyed its nuclear programme just before the end of apartheid. “I don’t have it, you don’t have it, that’s detente”.
NB I am British myself, but pragmatic.
Apeking on August 7, 2007 at 6:05 PM
I strongly disagree. Lord Malloch Brown is so uninteresting that if he were a character in a movie I would scoff at the screenwriter for writing such a one-track, unbeliveable character. The only interesting thing about this scumbag is that his Aunt fell down an elevator shaft before she could implicate him in the Oil-for-Food scandal. Hey, you don’t think he had something to do with it, do you?!
aengus on August 7, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Or.. let England keep its veto and make Australia, Japan and India permanent members of the Security Council.
aengus on August 7, 2007 at 6:59 PM
Oddly enough, France is onside with this…insofar as it applies to the UK.
Blaise on August 7, 2007 at 7:15 PM
Why shouldn’t France give up their veto?
(Trick question, it’s always available for hire)
DANEgerus on August 7, 2007 at 7:49 PM
*stream of paper coming out of the Bat-computer deep in the bowels of the Batcave*
That’s IT boy wonder… George Soros is the antichrist!
Mojave Mark on August 7, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Better yet why don’t we, the U.S.A. get out of the u.n. and start a real group of nations that are for peace and prosperity of all nations in kind. ?
United States
Australia
Eastern Block countries
India and any others not run by dictators.
oldernslower on August 7, 2007 at 10:05 PM