Breaking: TNR challenges Weekly Standard’s claim that Beauchamp has recanted; Update: Weekly Standard stands by its source
posted at 2:49 pm on August 7, 2007 by Allahpundit
We’ve talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account as detailed in our statement. When we called Army spokesman Major Steven F. Lamb and asked about an anonymously sourced allegation that Beauchamp had recanted his articles in a sworn statement, he told us, “I have no knowledge of that.” He added, “If someone is speaking anonymously [to The Weekly Standard], they are on their own.” When we pressed Lamb for details on the Army investigation, he told us, “We don’t go into the details of how we conduct our investigations.”
Note that Lamb isn’t denying it, just saying that if it’s true, no one’s told him yet. Goldfarb should offer TNR a deal: you burn your sources and we’ll burn ours.
I’ve got updates and video coming so stand by.
Update: While we wait for the video to upload, Frank Foer has a question for the right-wing blogosphere: Don’t you think you owe me an apology?
“My magazine this last week has been subject of basically a smear job by the Weekly Standard and a lot of the conservative blogosphere over a piece that we published from a soldier in Iraq, which we have gone back and re-reported and it turned out to be aside from one mistake to be the case and I just wish that there was, and this sounds like a trite mainstream media criticism, but that those in the blogosphere who kind of move from one reckless allegation to another reckless allegation for once apologize when they get something wrong.”
He said that on Friday, before the news broke about Beauchamp (allegedly) recanting, so it’s not quite as brazen as it might seem — unless he knew about the recantation when he said it. Apparently he didn’t if they’re disputing it now.
Update: Fox News covered it 20 minutes ago and confirmed that the DoD investigation found Beauchamp’s allegations to be false. They didn’t have any info on the alleged recantation, though; for that they cited Goldfarb.
The one new detail here: since there’s no evidence of criminal conduct, he’ll face administrative punishment only. That jibes with what “armylawyer” said last night about Beauchamp having had little incentive to lie to investigators given that lying to them would have exposed him to harsher penalties than simply copping to the incidents in TNR. Which makes the now-disputed fact of his recantation that much more important.
Update: Rusty makes a great catch. Has TNR mentioned yet in any of its reporting the results of the Army’s investigation? They mentioned in their post on August 2 that the investigation had begun but unless I’m missing something they’ve never actually taken a moment to let their readers know that, yes indeed, the Army formally disputes their account of what happened. In fact, in their haste to rush Maj. Lamb’s nonconfirmation into print this afternoon, they conveniently neglected to mention that he himself is on record as saying Beauchamp’s allegations are false. Did I miss their report on this somewhere or have they really not mentioned it yet?
Update: If you missed the flame war I linked in the headlines between Rick Moran and Ace, now’s your chance. Moran’s argument is reminiscent of (but distinct from) the nonsense Boehlert floated last year during Jamilgate and which Yglesias dusted off a week or two ago for this story — namely, that because worse things have happened in Iraq, it doesn’t really matter whether Beauchamp’s telling the truth. The parallel’s close enough that it’s worth quoting what I wrote in December:
[Boehlert] doesn’t care if the story’s bogus or not. He’ll say en passant that he does because he knows, as a journalist and media critic, that he has to. But it’s strictly pro forma. His position seems to be that the story’s true in the Larger Sense, as a microcosm of the brutality in Iraq, even if it’s not, you know, technically true (“as if an AP retraction would change a thing on the ground in Baghdad, where electricity remains scarce, but sectarian death squads roam freely”). In other words, “fake but accurate.” That’s his bottom line here and that’s why it’s dishonest of him and his pals to even pretend to care whether the report’s accurate. As far as they’re concerned, if Jamil Hussein turns out to be real, the story’s true; if he turns out not to be real, the story’s True. They can’t go wrong. Meanwhile the AP, if it’s guilty of bad facts to whatever greater or lesser degree, gets an almost completely free pass.
Substitute Beauchamp’s piece for Jamil and TNR for the AP and we have a match. Moran isn’t going as far as Boehlert and Yglesias — he clearly thinks it matters if the story’s true or false, he just doesn’t think it matters as much as victory in Iraq. Which happens to be correct, undisputed, and beside the point.
Leaving Iraq out of the equation, though, I take his point, and Captain Ed’s, and Bill Ardolino’s, about these media bias exposes and the attendant triumphalism tending towards overkill.
Update: Goldfarb makes the same point I made about Maj. Lamb above and says he has “full confidence” that Beauchamp recanted. And now he’d like to know: are TNR and Beauchamp denying it or just “airing,” a la Andrew Sullivan, the fact that Maj. Lamb himself has no personal knowledge of the recantation?
Update (Bryan): TNR’s Foer is proving to be a real piece of work. Let’s fisk him.
We’ve talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account as detailed in our statement.
Uh, yeah, we knew that already. But none of them put their names on the record, and there’s good reason to believe that you’re conflating one guy into three by citing him three times in three stories, without naming him, of course. We have no reason to believe you without real corroboration, and you have yet to provide that.
And yes, I’m linking to Ace of Spades to refute TNR, because Ace is by far the more credible of the two.
When we called Army spokesman Major Steven F. Lamb and asked about an anonymously sourced allegation that Beauchamp had recanted his articles in a sworn statement, he told us, “I have no knowledge of that.”
Well, on the plus side at least you’re finally getting someone with an actual name on the record. On the minus side, he’s not refuting the recantation. He’s just, as Allah said, stating that he doesn’t know anything about that. As a Public Affairs Officer, he’s not an investigator, so it’s reasonable to believe him on that point. And it’s just as reasonable to note that this means precisely nothing to the factual point of whether Beauchamp recanted or not. Nothing. That sentence is a sad attempt at misdirection.
He added, “If someone is speaking anonymously [to The Weekly Standard], they are on their own.” When we pressed Lamb for details on the Army investigation, he told us, “We don’t go into the details of how we conduct our investigations.”
Again, nothing in there refutes the statement that Beauchamp recanted. Nothing. CID (look it up, liberals) doesn’t go into the details of how it conducts its investigations because, duh, that tips off anyone that’s being investigated as to how CID look-sees might be thwarted. Use a little common sense, TNR.
One more time, this is really simple and doesn’t need a whole lot of he said-she said stuff: Where’s the stratified mass grave? Are Iraqi police really the only people in Iraq using Glocks? Can you build up so much war stress that you’d stoop to mock a wounded woman (that no one else can even find) before you’ve ever even been in the war?
This has become a very stupid story, because TNR isn’t interested in telling the truth and its spin is so far below the Clintonian gold standard that it has become pathetic.
The New Republic has become Truthout. That’s how much damage this story has done to their credibility.










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I was gonna say, didn’t FNC get its own confirmation?
Is that the video you’re talking about?
Bad Candy on August 7, 2007 at 2:53 PM
As if TNR was ever going to admit that Scott lied, even if Scott admitted it.
doriangrey on August 7, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Wait foer is claiming that his rag is being smeared after it posted a news story that was basically a smear on US troops ?
TNR really doesnt get it
William Amos on August 7, 2007 at 3:05 PM
The irony meter must have exploded when Foer wrote that.
Maybe if he would have just fact checked his story thoroughly he wouldn’t be getting this grief.
Bad Candy on August 7, 2007 at 3:05 PM
Interesting.
The Army really needs to make an official statement on the investigation results. This is turning into an international game of he-said, she-said.
John from OPFOR on August 7, 2007 at 3:05 PM
Why is the Army waiting to make a statement, if the investigation is complete? You’d think setting the record straight would have more priority.
Still, let’s look on the bright side – TNR is finally doing some real fact-checking with named sources.
Slublog on August 7, 2007 at 3:06 PM
Someone hasn’t learned the First Rule of Holes.
Pablo on August 7, 2007 at 3:08 PM
Looks like another set of “non-denial denials” backing their “modified limited hangout.”
If anyone doesn’t know what I’m talking about – you can Dogpile it!
Time will tell, but if TNR hoped that this would die, at least for a little while, then they’ve pooched the screw again.
CK MacLeod on August 7, 2007 at 3:08 PM
What that statement is saying is “we dont care if Scott Thomas has recanted. We have secret sources that verify what he said is true. but we wont tell you who they are”
William Amos on August 7, 2007 at 3:10 PM
TNR lied…Their credibility died…
doriangrey on August 7, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Good comment Slu. Agreed.
John from OPFOR on August 7, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Occam’s Razor says “The Editors” are frantically trying to keep their ship off the rocks for a few more hours/days.
I’m enjoying my popcorn, but I’m afraid Allah was right in an earlier post when he said this would come down to he said/she said. Assuming Beauchamp did actually recant, the nutroots (possibly supported by a newly-discharged Beauchamp) will simply claim the military tortured the confession out of him.
TNR obviously doesn’t care about their reputation; if anything, this sordid episode will encourage the nutroots to support TNR even more than before. I don’t think TNR has much to lose by steering straight ahead, rocks be damned. Yes, they might lose some cred within the MSM, but even that isn’t for certain.
Splashman on August 7, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Field of Honor, Dawn, Bring Pistols. Neato.
I decided to be creative in my feelings about the next step in scotty’s career (absolute boredom bores absolutely, or at least my excuse for doing it).
TheEJS on August 7, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Hmmmm, search for “beauchamp” on their website and you get nothing related to this mess.
windbag on August 7, 2007 at 3:12 PM
This is pure Clintonista. When about to defame an enemy first decry the politics of personal destruction. When an apology is due, demand one.
Or my, and apparently Foer’s, favorite deny, deny, deny.
Like John Candy said, “when you find something that works, stick with it”.
Are the same old tricks working? Not on this blog for sure. I would check out some of the lefty blogs but I have a new notebook and don’t want to puke on it.
TunaTalon on August 7, 2007 at 3:12 PM
So TNR is on a very selective vaction — one in which they find time to reiterate what their anonymous sources told them, but which leaves no time for them to report the results of the Army investigation.
Nor do they deny that STB recanted.
Fabulous.
Karl on August 7, 2007 at 3:13 PM
It is pretty funny to watch them hide behind their anonymous sources while decrying the anonymous sources of The Weekly Standard.
Slublog on August 7, 2007 at 3:13 PM
Maybe this is going to end up being another movie. As in Shattered Glass
PowWow on August 7, 2007 at 3:15 PM
Beauchamp is French. No one should be shocked that his hatred of America is genetic.
Valiant on August 7, 2007 at 3:15 PM
I’ve an apology for Foer:
We’re sorry… that you’re so stupid!
frankj on August 7, 2007 at 3:17 PM
In their defense, they are in the middle of a war and although this story is important back home, I’m not so sure how important it is to them. This isn’t the first sh!t sandwich the media has handed them – in fact, they get a full meal of it virtually every day.
TheBigOldDog on August 7, 2007 at 3:18 PM
True. I do hope this statement by Foer elicits a response, though. If only for the potential schadenfreude.
Slublog on August 7, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Allahpundit: Why don’t you call or email Army spokesman Major Steven F. Lamb and ask him to go check?
Blake on August 7, 2007 at 3:21 PM
Because this is TNR, wouldn’t that be “Fabulist?” ;)
Ronin11208 on August 7, 2007 at 3:21 PM
Color me unimpressed with TNR’s weasily, carefully worded “statements” – lockdown and scorched earth smear tactics offensive that would make even Hillary blush.
Topsecretk9 on August 7, 2007 at 3:23 PM
It should. Now that Fox, etc., are asking they’ll issue something I bet.
TheBigOldDog on August 7, 2007 at 3:24 PM
Hey, look: Shakespeare’s Sister has suddenly taken an interest in this story. But, for some reason, Melissa McEwan only says she’s now officially sick of the story.
amerpundit on August 7, 2007 at 3:24 PM
Should add what Michelle has posted on her main site. Seems Lamb has already comment about this to USA Today
This morning, military officials said their review is over. “The investigation is complete and the allegations from PVT Beauchamp are false,” Maj. Steven Lamb, a spokesman for Multi National Division-Baghdad, says in an e-mail to On Deadline. “Anything that may or may not happen from his actions are personnel related and we don’t share that publicly.”
William Amos on August 7, 2007 at 3:27 PM
Oh, my bad. She covered the recantation:
amerpundit on August 7, 2007 at 3:28 PM
BTW, is TNR really “challenging” the claim? They have no basis for doing so. That Maj. Lamb didn’t confirm it doesn’t mean it isn’t true, only that he doesn’t comment on the details of the investigation.
Moreover, TNR apparently didn’t speak to Beauchamp (I doubt they could). So speaking to the others adds nothing to what they already published.
Karl on August 7, 2007 at 3:28 PM
I wonder if this whole thing wasn’t a plant to discredit bloggers in general.
Labamigo on August 7, 2007 at 3:28 PM
I love that they air that photo of Beauchamp so prominently.
“Fabulist? Fabulous? Or both?”, it seems to SCREAM!
Stephen M on August 7, 2007 at 3:28 PM
So, interestingly, it seems TNR has lost some credibility with the Left, as well.
amerpundit on August 7, 2007 at 3:29 PM
… and we (TNR) don’t care that every other credible source both military and civilian have verified that this story is false, if only for the simple reason that Beauchamp wasn’t in Iraq at any FOB at the time he said he was there. And it is confirmed that there is no woman contractor or soldier in Iraq with a half melted face.
TNR knows this is bogus. They’ve disturbed the hornets nest of right wing bloggers… and now all they’re doing is poking the nest to see just how riled up we can get.
Lawrence on August 7, 2007 at 3:29 PM
Yeah, but, but, but the Weekly Standard used reportage from Matt Sanchez!
You know what he was, don’t you?
If you answered “100% verified accurate”, you win a prize!
Pablo on August 7, 2007 at 3:30 PM
Confederate Yankee posted this yesterday
and
and this today
So since TNR has been carefully crafting their statements….one has to parse
Sounds to me like they are conflating Lambs response to having no knowledge of an anonymous source talking to Weekly Standard and not so much the substance, and Lamb’s professional consistent response is repeated
to CF “..is a personnel matter, and therefore, will not be discussed publicly.”
and to TNR “We don’t go into the details of how we conduct our investigations.”
Topsecretk9 on August 7, 2007 at 3:33 PM
Looks like we are headed to the right outcome.
The weasel Beauchamp is going to get nonjudicial punishment from the Army and the whole faux atrocities story has been discredited. Several points:
1. It’s too much to ask that a liberal propoganda outlet like TNR is going to ever admit they didn’t fact check because they wanted the story to be true.
2. Beauchamp is going to come out of this virtually unscathed so long as he didn’t lie in sworn statements. The weasel is a Private. They can’t exactly “bust him” for being a lying scumbag when he is at the bottom of the rank structure (and bottom of the barrel in his case)!
3. Absent a smoking gun or new information, this story has about run its course.
highhopes on August 7, 2007 at 3:34 PM
TNR will fight to the bitter end on this, just like the Spartans making their glorious last stand at Thermopylae! Well, maybe in their fevered imaginations, anyway.
Given that TNR will fight so hard on this, I don’t understand how the “reasonable” conservatives can say this doesn’t matter. Everything matters. Every single incident like this must be exposed to the greatest extent possible. That’s what you do in a war of ideas.
Nosferightu on August 7, 2007 at 3:36 PM
oh – forgot to point out –
because the only other an next exact quote is
Topsecretk9 on August 7, 2007 at 3:36 PM
BTW, also worth noting that TNR was claiming on August 2 that
Yet his fellow soldiers were quoted in the 8/2 statement and referenced anew in today’s statement (though it’s left unclear as to whether they spoke again). And one would think that the results of the Army investigation would be “substantive information” TNR would share with its readers. But you would be wrong.
Karl on August 7, 2007 at 3:37 PM
One wonders if the DoD would have concluded its investigation without bringing charges against Beauchamp had he not, in fact, recanted — because his disputation, even were it based solely on his own testimony, would still be grounds for declaring the investigation ongoing, given that it is impossible to disprove that Beauchamp himself didn’t taunt a melty-faced woman if he continues to insist he’s done so.
Or am I off base here?
Jeff G on August 7, 2007 at 3:42 PM
Karl – they also claimed it was the Army’s fault they were unable to RE-report the story.
Since TNR is doing it’s best impression of a conerned politican – my decoder rings says – His fellow soldiers no longer feel comfortable communicating with reporters. means these so-called witnesses, who lets face it only corroborated parts of things by TNR admission, are no longer corroborating Scott Thomas’s recanted lies.
Topsecretk9 on August 7, 2007 at 3:46 PM
We have gone from “Shock troops” to “Starship Truthers”.
We know the truth is out there damn the facts !
William Amos on August 7, 2007 at 3:47 PM
“Frank Foer has a question for the right-wing blogosphere: Don’t you think you owe me an apology?”
What we owe you, Mr. Foer, is a swift kick in the ass! For being a lying piece of leftwing sh….
TNR == “Traitor New Republic.”
georgej on August 7, 2007 at 3:48 PM
Jeff G
–Or am I off base here?–
Nope right on the money. Additionally, the Army has said Scott Thomas is FREE to discuss the matter and apparently he is in NO RUSH to do so — allowing that STB is free to discuss the matter is essentially saying STB recanted or else the Army would be still open on investigation and muzzling the little criminal.
and one would think that TNR was feverishly trying to contact him – so STB is avoiding TNR is my bet.
Topsecretk9 on August 7, 2007 at 3:52 PM
Those TNR guys and dolls are tenacious little devils.
right2bright on August 7, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Question:
Since Scottie was a college grad, why did he go in as a Private?
Just wondering.
faraway on August 7, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Maybe for the same reason he was a PFC and is now a PV-2.
Karl on August 7, 2007 at 4:22 PM
I’m not sure Scottie graduated, faraway.
If he did graduate, he was eligible for commission. I know a few college grads who have enlisted, though. In fact one of the part time professors in VMI’s history department was a Marine Sergeant with his PhD. Guy had to stop lecturing and pick up a rifle for a tour in Iraq, back when I was finishing up.
John from OPFOR on August 7, 2007 at 4:25 PM
Here’s an idea, let’s worry about triumphal overkill after the damn thing is actually dead. So far it’s still kicking. We stab it with our steely knives but we just can’t kill the beast. (drum roll)
boris on August 7, 2007 at 4:26 PM
MSM’s new motto. “Fake but Accurate, because we have a right to lie because we are morally superior”
William Amos on August 7, 2007 at 4:30 PM
Beauchamp posted on his myspace page that he had “some college.” I believe there was also an article in a St. Louis paper that said that he had something like two years.
Blake on August 7, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Well I hope he gets “some” experience out of the miitary.
Latrine duty can be a very good character building exersize
William Amos on August 7, 2007 at 4:36 PM
BTW backup for Allah’s claim that the left doesnt care if its true or not
From TNR’s comment section on the statement they released
Liberals at their finest
William Amos on August 7, 2007 at 4:43 PM
Beside the point? Our enemies specialize in information warfare. Bogus reporting kills and injures people and places our troops at greater risk. Exposing this junk journalism may not secure victory in Iraq, but the least we can do is not hand the enemy fables to help inflame others against us.
Karl on August 7, 2007 at 4:45 PM
About college graduates joining up as enlisted personnel: I served with many enlisted persons (in Intel) who had undergraduate degrees in things like English or other non-technical/non-military disciplines. When I asked them why the didn’t go to OTS, they said that the military didn’t need people (as officers) who were trained those disciplines. (Some, however, did go to OTS later after they had added to their credentials. Sometimes those extra credentials consisted of merely serving as an enlisted person.)
baldilocks on August 7, 2007 at 4:51 PM
Rick Moran has no business telling the blogoshpere how to behave, yet he has a pattern of doing so. He hadn’t covered the story up until today, and he added nothing of value to the story when he made his attempt.
As to TNR and an apology? I’m sorry I thought of them as credible.
Pam on August 7, 2007 at 4:58 PM
“Did not!” “Did, too!” “Did not!” “Did, too!” “Did not!” “Did, too!”
Another shining example of media coverage. I can see the loud mouths, now. No substantiation of a damned thing – just flapping mouths. Oh, and “experts.” I love the “experts” and their speculation. Yes, I love speculating about the speculation involving the speculation concerning whether or not to speculate about speculating about speculations involving speculating.
There’s a reason that I’m glad that college football is about to start.
OhEssYouCowboys on August 7, 2007 at 4:58 PM
Ya know, when AP asked that question, it felt like this was gonna end up a “fake but accurate” rationalization. Just what are they teaching in journalism schools these days?
csdeven on August 7, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Pam, I’ll defend Moran on that issue. I think his critiques were fair there. He’s wrong this time around.
Bad Candy on August 7, 2007 at 5:09 PM
Ya know, when AP asked that question, it felt like this was gonna end up a “fake but accurate” rationalization. Just what are they teaching in journalism schools these days?
csdeven on August 7, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Contempt for America, that’s what.
OhEssYouCowboys on August 7, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Well, perhaps it is overkill, but then again…we’ve been screwed so many times by this sort of thing over the years, likely many more times than we will ever know due soley to the difficulty (until recently, thanks to the internet) of a) finding out about ‘em in the first place, b) being able to communicate to others about it, and c) being able to find out what really happened. We need to fight this sort of blatant manipulation tooth and nail, or it will just continue. The left has been playing the game dirty (dirtily?!) for eons. We need to–and now can–trump them every chance we get.
Propaganda is like terrorism in that regard: they only have to be lucky once in a while to do a great deal of damage. We have to be lucky every single time to prevent it.
Bob's Kid on August 7, 2007 at 5:22 PM
Fwiw, I already had my degree when I enlisted in the Air Force. At my tech school, there were about a half dozen of us (out of about 30 or so AF students) who had our degrees prior to enlistment. Enlisting with a degree isn’t all that rare, at least in the Air Force.
Bryan on August 7, 2007 at 5:32 PM
Quite so.
baldilocks on August 7, 2007 at 5:52 PM
Why can’t I stop hearing:
In my head?
RightWinged on August 7, 2007 at 5:58 PM
The Sean Penn’s and Michael Moore’s of the world will be calling Beauchamp a hero in 5..4..3..2
kiakjones on August 7, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Ouch. Damn, that’s… OUCH.
Jim Treacher on August 7, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Don’t be surprised if Mikey hires Scott, he’s just his kind of fella.
NeoConNews on August 7, 2007 at 8:20 PM
Had he limited his critiques to the actual issue, I would agree with you Bad Candy. Rick chose to place himself at the top, both today and with his beef with Debbie. Where does he get the idea that he is A-list? He isn’t even ranked in the top 500….
Today:
Then:
Pam on August 7, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Pam on August 7, 2007 at 8:37 PM
I’ll admit, I’m not all that familiar with Moran, so I don’t have a dog in this fight. But that statement sounds like Silky Pony, when he told Shrillary that they needed to boot the “second tier” candidates from the debates. Nobody sneers at other people for being B-List unless in their own minds they’re on the A-List.
ReubenJCogburn on August 7, 2007 at 9:23 PM
How exactly are you supposed to get to the A-list if you don’t start off on the B-list, or even the Z-list?
NeoConNews on August 7, 2007 at 10:40 PM
The NYT weighs in:
Army Says Soldier’s Articles for Magazine Were False
TheBigOldDog on August 7, 2007 at 10:42 PM
The Occam perspective (simplest interpretation) in this case seems to be:
Beauchamp is a liar.
He was under no pressure and lied to TNR and the world.
After the blogswarm, his new wife asked, “what’s up?” and to appease her shocked “frown and befuddlement” he lied by “going public” with his lies.
After Army initiated investigation, He fessed up the bare minimum to avoid prosecution. That the recantation (assuming that report is true) was on the first day, supports its likelihood of being true. That is, it is unlikely recantation would take place if there were others who would corroborate the original tales. Of course it was all self-interest.
No big mystery. TNR went overboard because B’s wife was enthusiastically going to bat for this liar.
G. Charles on August 7, 2007 at 11:31 PM
UPDATE: Foer is en fuego.
From Howie Kurtz’s story for the WaPo:
Before going incommunicado, Beauchamp “told us that he signed a statement that did not contradict his writings for the New Republic,” Foer said.
I guess TNR just forgot to mention that in today’s statement.
Karl on August 7, 2007 at 11:37 PM
Particularly true in the Air Force, Bryan. Most of our senior NCOs have more education than I do.
John from OPFOR on August 8, 2007 at 12:04 AM
From the TNR statement:
“We’ve talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account as detailed in our statement. “
We should add “as detailed in our statement” to the list of parsables here. TNR does not say that said “military personnel” corroborated events as detailed by Scott Thomas. Their Statement details considerably less than Beauchamp did — and avoids addressing a considerable chunk of the actual questions that were being asked.
BTW, the emphasis has generally been on the three events described in Shock Troops, but does anybody really believe that the kid who supposedly had his tongue cut out for fraternizing with the Yanks went right back to his fraternizing ways — after a conveniently vague period of time apparently allowed him to recover his good spirits? Some example he turned out to be, eh? As with the other stories, the more you look at this one, the less sense it makes too.
JM Hanes on August 8, 2007 at 1:47 AM
Karl on August 7, 2007 at 11:37 PM
The WaPo article is just another sliming at the military. How disgusting.
faraway on August 8, 2007 at 2:13 AM
Hey Topsecretk9!
In re your quote from Confederate Yankee:
“Instead, Major Lamb states that the PAO system is only responding to specific inquiries, and little more is expected to be released unless PV-2 Beauchamp decides to discuss the matter further, which he is free to do.”
Which suggests two possible endings to the saga:
1) On the theory that it’s better to have been hoaxed than accused of bad faith, TNR will elicit & publish another statement from Beauchamp admitting that he (& possibly a “military person”al friend or two) deliberately hoodwinked Foer et al. TNR will “apologize” for being too idealistic when they took his tales at face value.
OR
2) In order to rehabilitate himself with his fellow soldiers, Beauchamp will claim it was a gigantic joke designed to see just how much shit the TNR would swallow — in which case Foer et al are screwed. If his marriage is heading anywhere near the tubes
If Elspeth is still speaking to him (and if her job is on the line), I’d go with the Confession. If not, I’d go with Braggadocio.
JM Hanes on August 8, 2007 at 2:26 AM
Speaking of the tongue story, in the process of posting similarly over at Jeff Goldstein’s place, I picked up on something that I don’t think anybody has pointed out:
Beauchamp’s first piece (published at what must have been close to the beginning of his deployment) is called “War Bonds.” The browser window it opens in, however, is titled “My horrifying tour of duty in Iraq.” In fact, it’s probably worth a screen shot, just in case….
JM Hanes on August 8, 2007 at 3:17 AM
Laughing.Out.Loud. Thank you.
eanax on August 8, 2007 at 3:31 AM
NYT and WaPo running the story today.
mesablue on August 8, 2007 at 5:18 AM
Maybe John Cole can lecture us on how this doesn’t matter because they were the same people who said that Terri Schiavo was going to get up and walk!
And for a couple of highlights:
And yes, I’m linking to Ace of Spades to refute TNR, because Ace is by far the more credible of the two.
and
The New Republic has become Truthout. That’s how much damage this story has done to their credibility.
If I were TNR, I’d slink off to my hole to lick my wounds. Then again, I’m not an imbecile who doesn’t realize when he’s beaten.
Physics Geek on August 8, 2007 at 8:32 AM
But of course, as has been said before — it doesn’t matter to TNR whether or not the story is TRUE since as all good liberals know, in a postmodernist world truth is unknowable and spin is everything.
After all, what is true for one is not true for another, truth is subjective, and is not discovered but constructed. Thus, for TNR the story is true, regardless of facts.
SunSword on August 8, 2007 at 9:23 AM
(3) STB will confess to constructing an auto-composite, collecting urban ledgends and war rumors as tales told in the first person singular. TNR can claim there’s a grain of truth in the tales which show the degradation of the human spirit caused by war. Just a minor glitch, understandable mistake by an inexperienced source.
boris on August 8, 2007 at 9:43 AM
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