New Jihad Watch: Crushing of Dissent
posted at 9:15 am on August 7, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Robert Spencer details attempts, some successful and some not, to silence critics of Muslims, Islam or Islamic practices.
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There are two kinds of Muslims
1. the good peace loving ones AKA “Sleepers”
2. Active Terrorist
If this were not true, they would police their own.
TheSitRep on August 7, 2007 at 9:29 AM
Speaking of the bin Mahfouz “libel tourism” thing…
How is it that so many writers and investigative journalists have looked into Saudi financing of the jihad and reached the same conclusion about bin Mahfouz? According to bin Mahfouz’s own web site, he’s taken legal action against a rather large number of people for making the same allegations at different times.
flipflop on August 7, 2007 at 9:31 AM
Is it too much to ask that the comment filter let me know when and why my comment has been filtered?
flipflop on August 7, 2007 at 9:33 AM
Thank goodness for people like Robert Spencer.
HockeyTemper on August 7, 2007 at 9:34 AM
OK, so I guess I wasn’t getting filtered after all. Sorry for the double post.
flipflop on August 7, 2007 at 9:38 AM
apostle53 on August 7, 2007 at 9:24 AM
Patience is a conservative value.
captivated_dem on August 7, 2007 at 9:45 AM
“Hey, it’s George Bush who’s already gotten rid of the last semblance of Constitutional government – and Muslins need protection from him and wingnuts like Robert Spencer…”
Thought I’d get that comment out of the way so the trolls didn’t even need to drop by. If Alms for Jihad ever gets online, there needs to be a tip jar for the authors, and perhaps the publishers Legal Defense and Cojones Team. Alternatively, could it simply be re-published in America?
eeyore on August 7, 2007 at 9:53 AM
Problem is, if the publisher owns the complete copyright, then you plan would be illegal and the author(s) wouldn’t be able to accept the money. BTW, the U.S. and U.K. honors the others copyrights.
As for the leaking it online if the author has no other recourse, I shant comment :)
- The Cat
P.S. This post was for educational purposes only
MirCat on August 7, 2007 at 9:58 AM
flipflop on August 7, 2007 at 9:38 AM
apostle53s’ screen name and time stamp, must have been in my copy buffer instead of yours. And no offense intended.
captivated_dem on August 7, 2007 at 9:59 AM
Excellent point. One is left to surmise that either the allegations are true, or people are just picking on the poor, uh I mean, hugely rich, guy.
These sorts of allegations seemingly would be relatively easy to disprove. Or he could write his own book. Or actually take a case to court (somewhere besides Britain)and quell the allegations.
TinMan13 on August 7, 2007 at 9:59 AM
I believe that Funding Evil was published in the U.S. but bin Mahfouz sued in a British court because he purchased several copies through Amazon–which made the book available in the U.K. as well. That’s why they call it “libel tourism.”
Ehrenfeld has to stay out of Britain as a result of this pending lawsuit. Alms for Jihad was published in Britain and Cambridge folded when bin Mahfouz sued them, issued an apology and called for the destruction of all copies of the book.
IrishEi on August 7, 2007 at 10:09 AM
Could the publisher sell the rights to an American (or any other similarly situated country vis-a-vis libel)? Or would they still be liable for libel for allowing the info to get out after having been sucessfully threatened/sued?
eeyore on August 7, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Mr. Spencer is to praised for his work that exposes the truth about the religion of peace.
Let’s put two and two together to see how correct Mr. Spencer is.
Again, remember in the mid-late 60’s radical islam used the concept of disposing of the infidel to justify the actions of radical groups, such as the “Black Panther’s” and others, to murder and other acts of violence against those that did or do not agree or fit the groups goals of domination.
These actions did not go away with the end of the “Peace and Love” era. They stayed right where they grew up as bullies, and as bullies, they will not move as long as they are able to get away with their childish actions. What do you do with a child that is bulling, you punish them to teach them that such actions are not socially acceptable.
Are we going to allow ourselves to be bullied or are we going to punish these children by exposing them for what they are-bullies and incapable of acting in a socially accepted manner.
MSGTAS on August 7, 2007 at 10:12 AM
It seems, as Robert Spencer commented, that the legal concept of discovery, provides a decent firewall against frivolous law suits. Robert Spencer will stick to his principles and take the fight to them, however, CAIR and others, like a computer virus or worm that probes for open ports or unstable program logic, will continue to probe for weaknesses in defenses and do their dirty work. Stay safe Robert.
captivated_dem on August 7, 2007 at 10:14 AM
But at least Funding Evil is still available. Hopefully enough money can go into court fights against libel tourism. If I won the lottery, I know how I’d be spending my money.
eeyore on August 7, 2007 at 10:15 AM
Liberals are proof of the nonexistence of natural selection. Why are we so offended by the thought of offending members of a death cult? Why do liberals bend over backwards to apologize for murderous behavior?
Man I just don’t understand….. There should be a two week hunting season every year on jihadists and those that excuse them.
Swinehound on August 7, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Natural selection exists, it’s just that it’s been muted, largely as a result of liberal efforts.
All the namby-pamby, nanny state safety BS forced on us by the liberals has resulted in more stupid people being kept in the gene pool instead of their being naturally de-selected.
flipflop on August 7, 2007 at 10:32 AM
TheSitRep, Log on to Michael Yon’s site sometime and watch videos of Muslim soldiers fighting alongside American soldiers killing Al Qaeda. Read a few accounts of the Muslim soldiers of Pakistan killing Taliban in the Red Mosque. Watch videos of the “refugee camp” in Lebanon where the part Muslim Lebanese Army is killing Muslims with artillery. Check out how the Saudi’s have dealt with Al Qaeda in their country.
Even the MSM has accounts of Muslim sheiks in Al Anbar fighting and killing Al Qaeda alongside the Americans. Ok this is getting too long but you get the point.
Stereotypes are very useful and are much easier than actually thinking. But a single stereotype for every Muslim in the world is quite a reach.
When a suicide bomber killed an American and the Iraqi children he was interacting with, would you put the children in the same intellectual bucket as the suicide bomber?
It will be a long war. Who wins will depend on who fights.
TunaTalon on August 7, 2007 at 10:46 AM
YAY VENT!
I wish someone would tell the ‘progressives’ that Muslim resentment doesn’t have anything to do with American foreign policy. They hate us because of homosexuality, abortion, alcohol, gambling, and promiscuous women.
Even if we quit all foreign policy issues that Muslims deemed ‘offensive’, they would still hate us because of these things that ‘progressives’ deem pillars of America.
If you want to please these jihadists, the best thing for you to do is to rail against homosexuality, women’s rights, and abortion. That’ll never happen. . . but I guess it is fun for them to blame America and bash American policies regardless of the FACT that it will not solve the problem of their hatred of our Liberty.
ThackerAgency on August 7, 2007 at 10:53 AM
I’m going to quote from AP on the current DLC thread
I say leave the assassination fantasies with Kos and Wonkette and Randi Rhodes.
eeyore on August 7, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Anyone that owns a work can sell the rights, so they could sell it to an American publisher, back to the author, etc. As for the libel, I really don’t know. It may depend on the wording of the judgement to see if that has already been ruled on.
Anyone know anything on libel, if an author can get sued for a work (unpublished) but simply submitted to a publisher?
- The Cat
P.S. I’m still not clear if the publisher in this case owns all the rights/the actual work, or something like first print rights.
MirCat on August 7, 2007 at 11:52 AM
I am John Doe, and I will not submit to terrorism, or to those who seek to kill me or undermine our way of life. I will defend my rights with my life, and insure these rights for generations to come. So help me God.
KCtheKat on August 7, 2007 at 12:02 PM
I’ve posted Robert Spencer’s YAF speech in it’s entirety on my YouTube account for those who where having a problem with lag time.
Hot Air Video: The speech that CAIR didn’t want you to hear
KCtheKat on August 7, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Hot Air Video: The speech that CAIR didn’t want you to hear
KCtheKat on August 7, 2007 at 12:21 PM
ThackerAgency on August 7, 2007 at 10:53 AM
I agree with you but if Robert Spencer is translating the Koran correctly, they want us dead because their god commands them to kill us.
allrsn on August 7, 2007 at 12:22 PM
We’re no more than two elections away from a candidate running on the “Islam is not a religion and must be banned from the US” platform. Go ahead. Tell me I’m wrong.
thejackal on August 7, 2007 at 12:29 PM
For what it’s worth, it appears that the Cambridge pulped Alms for Jihad is available at least as an ebook from a French site called mobipocket. That it’s out at all is good. The important point is, however, the necessity to not fold under the intimidation in the first place, and the long fight that implies.
eeyore on August 7, 2007 at 12:34 PM
The gulf between Western and Islamic cultures is too wide to bridge. The West learned too late of the perils of accepting them into our countries and neighborhoods. Now we are paying the price.
Ernest on August 7, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Ok, you’re wrong.
Kowboy on August 7, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Ditto Kowboy, you’re wrong. But I think we are no more than two elections from having to deal with the multiple constitutional rights concerning freedom of religion, “unreasonable search”, habeus corpus, etc. versus aggressively uncovering and prosecuting radical Islam and the attacks the Islamists will undeniably have successfully undertaken by that time. It will be further complicated by the unwillingness of many non-Islamist Muslims to cooperate against their co-religionists. I think it will be the most difficult and wrenching Constitutional crisis in the history of the Republic.
eeyore on August 7, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Thank You Robert Spencer. It takes big balls to do what you do when the
religioncult of mohammad breads such fanatics.Keep fighting the good fight.
Masscon on August 7, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Go Robert! Expose the death cult of the demon moon god.
Mojave Mark on August 7, 2007 at 1:19 PM
this is not the first time your muslim bakery has been involved in crimes, im wondering why the feds havent picked this case up under rico
Mojack420 on August 7, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Mojack420 on August 7, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Hmmm I’m guessing the word “Muslim” didnt give you a clue…
doriangrey on August 7, 2007 at 2:53 PM
the son of the founder tried running down a bouncer at a strip bar in sf last year and 2 years ago they werre trashing liqure stores owned by other muslims in west oakland .
Mojack420 on August 7, 2007 at 3:10 PM
A Bridge to ‘Moderate’ Islam Is In Fact a Road to Hell
Amil Imani – 8/8/2007
“The so-called “Moderate Muslims” or “Secular Muslims” would like to have their cake and eat it too. They wish to remain Muslims in name only, yet not bother to read the mandates of the Quran or understand the context in which Muhammad foisted his poisonous prophecy upon the world.”
“Also, these happy-go-lucky people-of-Islam are indeed delusional, for Muhammad’s record is not even the subject of debate. His utterances and deeds are a part of history that is simply not debatable. Islam is what Muhammad said it was in the diatribes of vitriol and hatred that is the Quran; and Islam is what Muhammad did during his violent life. If you accept Islam as your religion, you become a part of the guiding principles of hatred, revenge, and rejection of prior enlightened prophecies. But the “bridge-builders refuse to acknowledge the fact that one cannot be a Muslim and not abide by the dictates of the Quran.”
Connie on August 7, 2007 at 3:29 PM
I find it ironic and discouraging that the same money we in the West shell out to fill our gas tanks is turned around and used against us to fund jihad, establish extremist madrasas in our own midst, and stifle criticism of Islam.
infidel4life on August 7, 2007 at 3:29 PM
Thank you Mr. Spencer for the informative vent!
4shoes on August 7, 2007 at 3:45 PM
Hey Bryan, Robert et al.
May I post this on YouTube.
Thanks
M. Ram
mram on August 7, 2007 at 5:07 PM
You know, I admire Mr Spencer more and more each time he speaks and/or publishes. No invectives. No slights. Just truth, keen observation, and a wealth of knowledge about a subject that is sorely underestimated by the general populace.
Thank you, again, Mr Spencer.
SilverStar830 on August 7, 2007 at 5:38 PM
Thanks for posting this, even though you might be smeared by some for being “intolerant”, “racist” or “bigoted” by doing so.
PBoilermaker on August 7, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Mr.Spencer is the best. Thank you so much for what you do.
emmaline1138 on August 7, 2007 at 6:51 PM
Thanks Robert, that was very informative. As Michelle would say, we will not submit!
And Emmaline is right, you’re the best source on all issues Islamic. Thanks.
Zorro on August 7, 2007 at 9:53 PM
The anti-left, anti-CAIR method. And he does it so well. Mr. Spencer is a true public servant. The Washington syphocants should get a clue.
IrishEyes on August 7, 2007 at 10:01 PM
If our suicide bombs don’t work, we’ll sic our lawyers on you!
packsoldier on August 7, 2007 at 11:13 PM
Spectacular Vents Robert Spencer!
Robert Spencer has got to be one of the best scholars and commentators on Islam and the Islamic Assault to date. His views are will reasearched, clearly explained, make perfect sense, demonstrate keen insight and are right on in their assessments and commentary.
There is only thing wrong with Robert Spencer: We need more!
(His books are great by the way)
omegaram on August 7, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Thanks for the Mobi book link, just got my copy. Wonder if the authors still get a royalty?
I would also like to thank RS and Hotair, this is invaluable information which needs to get out their. If only Hillary wasn’t lying, and their truly was a right wing conspiracy! we would have this information posted on every video billboard out their!
Wyrd on August 7, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Yes. I honestly admire his work as few others inform us as much as he does about the threat from Islamists. Still, I can only imagine how much that man and his family has to watch their back yet he does what he does anyways. Truly brave IMO and I am thankful.
Yakko77 on August 8, 2007 at 10:47 AM
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