The US is the wisher of freedom for all, but the securer of such for none but itself.

Except Japan, Germany, South Korea, the Phillippines, Taiwan and thirty plus countries in Europe. Yup I see what you mean.

PUKE

Hammer this

The US is the wisher of freedom for all, but the securer of such for none but itself.

sleestak on August 6, 2007 at 6:45 PM

What a woeful lack of understanding your country’s history. I guess if you don’t count former Nazi German, Fascist Italy, Militarist Japan, or Soviet Occupied Eastern Europe and on and on. Yep. You’d be exactly right.

I will not view this because… 1) it will probably sicken me and …. 2) I don’t want to give it another hit count.

Maxx on August 6, 2007 at 5:06 PM

You should open your mind and see what a reasonable dissenting viewpoint looks like.

That said, you know your tolerance level. Maybe you can’t hack it.

doriangray, I don’t agree with you too often and you said:

I’m not sure why it would offend any conservative, it was done respectfully and expresses a dissenting opinion on the war. I don’t ascribe to the view they are stating but do respect the manner in which they presented their view.

This time I do. It was his opinion, earnest I’m sure, and put not only respectfully, but artistically and eloquently.

Unfortunately I fear there would be greater casualties in Iraq and around the world if you withdraw now. I think you are starting to produce measurable military results under a new commander and, finally, some better strategy under George W. Bush.

I like that MC Hammer criticized — in a very respectful way — what he thought were some mistakes made by George W., while respecting his motives and his successes and praying for future successes.

You’d have to be a real sicko not to want Bush to succeed in his foreign policy goals, however far fetched you believe they are. Fortunately, MC Hammer displayed great class.

I’m not sure why it would offend any conservative, it was done respectfully and expresses a dissenting opinion on the war. I don’t ascribe to the view they are stating but do respect the manner in which they presented their view.

doriangrey on August 6, 2007 at 3:33 PM

Guaranteed to piss off liberals and conservatives alike!

Notice how different liberals and conservatives react? Just by the posts here, most of us disagree with what this vid proposes, but ummm no overly used caps or angered responces.

- The Cat

The US is the wisher of freedom for all, but the securer of such for none but itself. Look folks, ask yourself this – are the Iraqis worth more or less than Americans? Civil war, civil war, civil war, slaughter, civil war, that’s all we hear. “If we leave now, the place will fall apart and there will be a civil war and much killing!”

Does anyone even remember 1860-1865? WEEEEEEEEEE had Civil War, and yes, nigh upon a million Americans died as a direct result. Should the British, or French, or Prussians have intervened to “Stop the mindless killings, NOW!”???? A thousand times, NO!

Wars are gonna happen, and unless Our interests are heavily involved, we can’t go around sacrificing our lives and resources (weakening ourselves for the future) to police the world. Yes, I know that WE would have “caused” this civil war as it were, but hey, you better believe that a failing chance at true freedom is better than no chance at all. If Iraq returns to a dictatorship or oppressive Sharia Islamic state, then that sucks for its poor citizens. But don’t tell me that those ends de-justify the means.

Saddam had to go. He’s gone, we stuck it out to help the fledglers about 3 years more than we should have had to, and it’s time to come home. If AQ or various other thugs take over that demand such action, we’ll bulldoze back in there and take them out too. And don’t tell me that will be harder. We lost like 50 soldiers taking the entire nation of Iraq, we since lost more than 3000 trying to police it.
I voted twice for W, and it’s still time to come home.

I’m not sure why it would offend any conservative, it was done respectfully and expresses a dissenting opinion on the war. I don’t ascribe to the view they are stating but do respect the manner in which they presented their view.

doriangrey on August 6, 2007 at 3:33 PM

I don’t think it necessarily offends either, but I do object to it on the grounds I feel like he’s using serious issues and video (9/11, etc.) to try to jump start a career that has been dead for almost 2 decades.

Plus, as the AP says, the death toll is climbing….I venture to say that the death will always climb and never decline.

(AP) First: Do the potential benefits of sticking with the war strategy outweigh the cost, in American blood and treasure? Total U.S. war deaths now exceed 3,665 and are climbing by more than two per day, on average.

You know, it hit 3,660 it seems like a 2 weeks ago. Heck, I know it hit 3,600 in June.

1GooDDaDDy on August 6, 2007 at 4:10 PM

Thank you for your service.

First of all, sadly there are many many people who feel that as the president of the United States GW was ultimately responsible for any and all failures and mistakes with regard to Katrina

doriangrey on August 6, 2007 at 4:15 PM

That was precisely my point. Its no accident that so many people believe that.

There was no need for that. Its factually innacurate and unfair and was a odd deviation from their seemingly honest anti-war message.

First of all, sadly there are many many people who feel that as the president of the United States GW was ultimately responsible for any and all failures and mistakes with regard to Katrina, and secondly I suspect it was put there so give the appearance of not overly supporting GW.

A symbol is a symbol. And they were used as symbols of the real thing.

Does that mean to you that is a ‘yes’ to you? If so is that applicable for symbols relating only to life and death or all symbols, such as say, the empty boxes at that imm. press conference which were supposed to represent all the letters they “received” that were ‘pro-amnesty’?

Not trying to be irreverent. I’m just curious as to when symbols are offensive.

I know what it’s like to bury a hundred or more of my comrades that fell on the battlefields of Nam during my 13 month tour there as a 18 yr. old Marine infantryman.

But the fact that millions of innocent Vietnamese civilians were slaughtered after we “came home” leaves me with the un-comforting conclusion that our very best people must remain in that hell so my two small sons will never have to be forced to fight the evil on their front door in their future.

The Iraqis slaughtered will be on the heads of those who force us to leave at this critical point.

Sgt. Khe Sahn

That line was a low blow which was cleverly slipped in to blame George Bush for the hurricane. They laid it out there like it is incontrovertible fact that the dysfunctional govt response to Katrina was the President’s fault entirely. There was no need for that. Its factually innacurate and unfair and was a odd deviation from their seemingly honest anti-war message.

Its amazing to me how successful the media has been in making it common knowlege that the ills brought along by that hurricane were the fault of George Bush’s incompetence. I believe that media message is the true wound that bled down Bush’s poll numbers and continues to do so today. Yes, the war hurts him, but I think not nearly as badly as did/does Katrina. I think Katrina combined with refusal to enforce immigration laws is truely what has hampered this president’s approval ratings. These cut at the heart of what drives the American public’s approval, competence.

How about some Hip-Hop with all the coffins of artists and fans that have been shot and killed over nothing?

there’ve been lots of songs on that subject.

Pretty simplistic song, but at least it was pretty tasteful. I had no idea that MC Hammer was still around. And his flow still sucks. Same single syllabic rhymes.