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I hereby formally rescind her “KP” appellation. Henceforth on HA she shall be known as “Shillary.”

Allahpundit on August 5, 2007 at 10:46 PM

Ouch! That isn’t exactly encouraging KPs more Conservative moral interests that I’m sure she still has but has obviously repressed for the time being.

Reminding her of the Conservative examples she’s shown previously might work better.

But then it might not be all her fault:

Liberal or Conservative, It’s All in the Genes

The phrases “Once a Democrat, always a Democrat” or “Once a Republican, always a Republican” may be truer than we realize. Our identification with a political party, which we acquire from early childhood socialization, often does last a lifetime. And according to a Rice political scientist, Americans’ political orientation—liberal or conservative—is a genetic trait almost as unlikely to change as our eye color.

It long has been established that our identification with a particular religious denomination is a result of our upbringing, but perhaps less known is that the strength of our religious convictions is almost entirely genetically determined. According to Rice University’s John Alford, the same is true regarding our choice of political parties and our political ideology.

http://www.rice.edu/sallyport/2005/summer/sallyport/genes.html

If illegal immigration can be stopped and liberals keep aborting their progeny, perhaps natural selection will see the return of one hundred year old TR style Republicanism.

Speakup on August 6, 2007 at 1:33 AM

I would be interested to meet a single voter who doesn’t already have strong Republican preferences who thinks the Religious Right is just dandy, but Daily Kos is not acceptable.

On the other hand, while I’m 97% certain I’ll be voting Republican in the next Presidential election, if Hilary is the nominee, I’m not going hold her going to Kos against her in deciding how to vote. Sadly, she has to go to such things, just as I’m not holding it Romney that he consented to be interviewed by an equally beyond the pale fascist nutjob in Iowa:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/05/video-mitt-on-mormonism-unplugged/

I suppose it is the duty of the presidential candidate to talk to the nutjobs, but sadly I’m not sure I want to encourage tolerance for them (on either side). I’m not really what to do, but say that some voices in our national political dialogue may be fruitcake. Perhaps, if we kept our conversation a little more calm, the nutjobs would expose themselves better. They themselves really are the best argument against them.

thuja on August 6, 2007 at 2:11 AM

Geez. it’s 2 am! and ya’ll still posting. This is how I know AP will welcome KP back…we all can’t get enough of her, and we are willing to hope against hope.

Weight of Glory on August 6, 2007 at 2:15 AM

Pandering to the KOSsacks won’t hurt any of them with the Democrats. The vast percentage of Dems are either in full agreement with them, or ignorant of them, taking all of their news and views from Katie Corrupt Couric and Jon Stewart.

It will hurt them, though, a bit amongst the all important Independents that are well enough informed to know anything about it…. Unfortunately for us, only about to the same degree / percentage as the Falwell’s and other such ‘extremists’ turn some away from the GOP.

I sort of agree with whoever said it above that the KOSsacks are representative of the ‘center’ of the Democrat party. The DU is pretty representative of the left side.

Miss Powers may be somewhat capable of rational thinking occasionally… But then, so can Susan Estrich sometimes too. However, they can’t be seen as the right side of the Dems, (and I’ve realized this from the start, despite the cute little iconic photo of KP that AP used to like to post and her occasional semi-agreements with Michelle.) Because in the end, they WILL toe the party line, regardless of what they know to be rational.

The ‘right’ side of the Democrat party wouldn’t exist at all were it not for Zell Miller and about half a dozen other people in the entire nation.

LegendHasIt on August 6, 2007 at 2:32 AM

Are we to think the dems going to Kos is any different than some Conservatives going to Bob Jones University?

It sickens me when brainless liberals pull this CRAP, but it’s worse when a conservative does it. If you knew anything about that family, if you were at all acquainted with Dr. Bob Jones III, you’d be ashamed of yourself.

Surely you know how regularly the left mislabels people with whom it disagrees, why do you accept it when it’s about a private Christian university, something we all know is completely anathema to the secularist-marxists of the left?

Yes, Kirsten is probably right that the candidates pandering to YKos won’t hurt them, because the media won’t allow it to be portrayed as them pressing the left lunatic fringe. But Reagan visiting BJU? That gets wall-to-wall coverage as an endorsement of racism, that NEVER EXISTED.

Freelancer on August 6, 2007 at 2:56 AM

What do you care? You’re not going to vote for Hillary anyway.

B26354 on August 6, 2007 at 3:50 AM

A more apt comparison might be an equivalency between the Kos Kids and the R Paulians.

TBinSTL on August 6, 2007 at 4:33 AM

DailyKOS is a meaningless pile of rubbish, a kinda of porno site for politically perverted. Demo candidates are playing the game. The demo-KOS connection is a lightweight and temporary distraction.

We’ve known the demo party is left of left for a long time. Fortunately, America is right of center.

KOS is like the fringe lefty groups of the 60s—black panthers, sds and that ilk. Flash in the pan.
The small group of pinkos will lose interest and “move on” to something else.

saved on August 6, 2007 at 7:36 AM

This was a painful thread on soooooo many levels.

Canadian Infidel on August 6, 2007 at 7:58 AM

Every single time Kristin Powers opens her mouth, all I hear come out is cluelessness. The fact that Democrats feel they need to pander to groups that have members who clearly have been off their medication for quite some time should be enough to send red flags shooting up all over the place, but in the world of Kristin Powers, this is perfectly alright. Scary.

pilamaye on August 6, 2007 at 8:10 AM

THe Kos Kids are not liberal. They’re illiberal. There’s a difference.

aengus on August 6, 2007 at 8:36 AM

AP must really be upset if he won’t even post the KP hand-over-mouth” screencap.

BKennedy on August 6, 2007 at 9:14 AM

I don’t know if this Powers shilling for Hillary or just holding her tongue for whatever reason, but it’s sad.
Allahpundit on August 5, 2007 at 10:21 PM

The truth of the matter is there is no “right” equivalent to the KosKids.
Rightwingsparkle on August 5, 2007 at 11:07 PM

AP, she’s just doing her duty speaking up for the left side. What KP said was not egregious; it was a simple call for moral equivalence. Like Dodd saying O’Reilly is like Daily Kos. Moral equivalence is like symmetry for the mind. It requires less thinking and understanding than having to consider two sides independently. When we look at a butterfly we need only to take in the details of one wing, and with symmetry know what the other wing looks like without spending attention on it.

Rightwingsparkle, in a symmetrical world the left is just a mirror image of the right. See how much easier that makes thinking about the world. You use the label “left” which is very handy to think about left and right as moral equivalents.

To the eye symmetry is an element of beauty. To the mind moral equivalence adds beauty to our world understanding and is something we want to believe in.

Anyway I wouldn’t have to agree with KP on everything to enjoy her presence. A little spark (sparkle?) in a relationship just adds interest.

TunaTalon on August 6, 2007 at 9:27 AM

The left is not a mirror image of the right?! Oi! And Tuna is the other fillet mignon.

Her noble qualities still shine through, AP!

Although this is a fall from grace, it may be that she’ll see the lack of nobility in equating two un-equatables, change her mind, and return to sounder thinking.

Put it down to panic that the blond candidate is a fractured hope and KP in her state of panic is grasping at straws. To forgive is divine. The other possibility is that it was a blond moment, however.

Let the rapture continue. (Tried to comment using absolutes, relativity, humanistic ideas and religious perspective . How’d I do?)

JJ.1 on August 6, 2007 at 9:54 AM

In 1936 the vast majority of Germans thought that the Nazi party was the best thing going for Germany. They believed that in spite of a small fringe group of individuals who trafficked in hate that the Nazi’s were essentially good honest decent hard working god fearing Germans.

Today democrats and liberals like KP are viewing the koskids in exactly the same light. Watching KP or Sen. Dodd defend the koskids is frighteningly similar to watching Sen. Joesph Kennedy or Charles Lindberg defend the Nazi’s back in 1936.

Markos Moulitsas Zúniga bears more than a simple passing resemblance to Adolph Hitler, both were enlisted military who founded political organizations, who promised to bring about a Utopian society and both of their political organizations had as their foundation a culture of rabid hatred and violence which they attempted to conceal beneath a thin veneer of civilized intelligent behavior.

Furthermore there is little difference between the volume of rabid lunicidal conspiracy theories that fueled Hitlers Nazi party and those that fuel Markos dKos. Kos like the Nazi’s in 1936 asserts themselves to be the true champion of the people defending the freedom of the people while simultaneously depriving the exact same freedoms of anyone who dares to express an opinion that contradicts theirs.

doriangrey on August 6, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Someone tell me how the hell I am extreme?

Rightwingsparkle on August 5, 2007 at 11:14 PM

Say, RWS, could you give me a hand over here? I’m going to stick a fork in an unborn baby’s head and then suck its brains out. Also, I’m going to do it all day long on whatever whim provokes the “mother” carrying it. Could you hold the vaccum hose for me?

No?

Oh. You must be one of those Christianist extremists.

I think that’s how this works.

Kensington on August 6, 2007 at 11:20 AM

doriangrey on August 6, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Fortunately, unlike Hitler, Kos has to deal with a country whose founders split up power into a million pieces so no one man could rule.

Kos is dictator only in his small, irrelevant fantasy world. The rest of us are laughing at him. He’s pathetic.

BKennedy on August 6, 2007 at 11:20 AM

I notice KP/Shillary’s blog is still linked in the sidebar…

LagunaDave on August 6, 2007 at 11:24 AM

One of the major benefits the MSM provides to the Democrats is the ability to have influence without exposure. Kos and his followers have profound influence over Democrat party politics, as the spectacle of every Democrat presidential candidate appearing at their yearly convention attests. They might not actually *control* the party, but they clearly have a great deal of pull within it. However, the MSM sees to it that very little exposure accompanies this influence. How many average CNN viewers know about the “screw them” comment? Virtually no one in the media other than O’Reilly has made any attempt to expose these people for what they are, and he didn’t do a terribly good job of it – they’re a vile anti-Semitic hate site run by deeply stupid people, and you can prove it without ever going anywhere near their comments section. Bill should have let Mary Katharine take over that interview with Chris Dodd.

On the other hand, religious right figures receive exposure in the MSM far beyond their actual influence. Every foolish statement and misstep is endlessly repeated and referenced until it becomes conventional wisdom. No one on the right, religious or otherwise, could ever achieve the Kos level of influence without dozens of simultaneous hit pieces in major newspapers and cable news programs turning them into a straw boogeyman, and God help them if they ever rented an adult video. Exposure *should* be the price of influence, but the MSM’s greatest remaining power is their ability to charge different rates of exposure to the two sides of the political spectrum, rewarding them with disproportionate levels of influence.

The Kos dumpster dive *could* be made to hurt the Democrats, but the Republicans would have to do it. How long would it take our resourceful hosts at Hot Air to produce a generic Republican campaign video that shows images of the murdered civilian contractors in Iraq, coupled with a screen cap of Markos’ “I feel nothing. Screw them” comment, followed by a shot of Hillary shaking Kos’ hand? How about a cascade of batshit-crazy front page hate rants from Kos followed by a picture of all those smiling Dem candidates at the convention? Couple that with the Republican candidate reading the “screw them” comment at every single debate, then pointing out that his Democrat opponent endorsed that kind of hate rhetoric by attending the convention, and give them an opportunity to denounce Markos as an anti-American lunatic. Checkmate.

To the trolls who wonder why anyone at Hot Air cares about Hillary’s electoral fortunes after YearlyKos: I can only speak for myself, but I happen to think that a healthy democracy requires a vigorous contest between two healthy political parties, and one of them is deeply sick right now. Tolerating, or worse yet endorsing, a cancer like the Troofers or Kos is only going to make it sicker, and its adherents more deranged – how many decent, thoughtful Democrats will be left for Allahpundit to flirt with, when the average Democrat voter realizes Kos is now the “center” of his party? Where is the Buckley of the left, to read these people out of the Democrat movement and make it a healthy competitor in national politics again? I’d really like to have a tough choice to make when Election Day rolls around – it can only make both parties field better candidates, and that’s good for the country.

My heartfelt condolences to you on loss of KP… er, Shillary to the Dark Side, Allah. Maybe one day the two of you can meet in Constantinople…er, Istanbul and reconcile over a glass of New Coke.

Doctor Zero on August 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM

Difference between religious right and nut-roots left: maturity and sanity.

congsan on August 6, 2007 at 11:38 AM

Doctor Zero on August 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM

Well said. The short version is to dip a big brush in the Kos filth and paint the Democratic candidate with it.

TunaTalon on August 6, 2007 at 11:54 AM

BKennedy on August 6, 2007 at 11:20 AM

Like Germany prior to Hitler didn’t have almost all the exact same protections? And with a website that pulls 1/2 a million page view per day I would suggest that it isnt only in his small, irrelevant fantasy world, it took Hitler a hell of a lot longer to get to where Kos is after only 5 years.

doriangrey on August 6, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Entelechy and Kralizec

Awww..Thanks for the kind words.

DailyKOS is a meaningless pile of rubbish, a kinda of porno site for politically perverted.

I am so stealing that!

Rightwingsparkle on August 6, 2007 at 12:38 PM

Let’s not go defaming porno sites by comparing them to Kos.

Canadian Infidel on August 6, 2007 at 3:36 PM

I notice KP/Shillary’s blog is still linked in the sidebar…
LagunaDave on August 6, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Oh, you didn’t really think AP was going to give her up, did you? No, our intrepid blogger will live to love again. . .

Blake on August 7, 2007 at 11:44 AM

So why pick on the Dems for courting KOS, and ignore the Republicans pandering to the ultra-religious right? That’s just plain hypocritical.

No republican goes to, and endorses, any far right wing hate site at its annual convention.
That’d be like Rudy or Mitt going to have a sit down with the Phelps family?

The truth of the matter is there is no “right” equivalent to the KosKids.
Rightwingsparkle on August 5, 2007 at 11:07 PM

Thats the truth right there.
WHY? The right doesn’t buy into such hate in mass form.

shooter on August 7, 2007 at 12:02 PM

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