Here is the “explanation” diary:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/5/3940/86488?detail=f
What Really Happened at the YearlyKos Military Panel
Do I believe you or my lying eyes…….
ArmyAunt on August 5, 2007 at 2:11 PM

Thanks for the link. But I didn’t need to read the blow-by-blow discription of how the video “lied.” I never got past this:

On Friday morning Jon Soltz of VoteVets.org moderated a YearlyKos panel called

The Military and Progressives: Are They That Different?

Is that meeting topic ironic or what?

Why try to itemize a hundred tiny hypocracies when you have this one giant elephant in the living room?

If regressives REALLY wanted to see the difference between themselves and the military, Aquino should be their freaking hero. They could not have hoped for a more clear illustration of the difference between them and us.

A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention updated throughout the day…so check back often. This is a weekend edition so updates are as time and family permits….

Anyone know why this is ok?

Here is the “explanation” diary:

ArmyAunt on August 5, 2007 at 2:11 PM

Thank you, that clears everything up. The Kosites are not afraid of disagreement. It’s just that anyone who disagrees is a “convention troll,” and of course no one has to listen to them. Captain Stolz was not unhinged at the prospect of having to address inconvenient facts. He was being “stern” with a “rule breaker” because he “values discipline.” He’d have behaved exactly the same if this soldier had agreed with him, no doubt.

It’s OK to behave like this with people who disagree if they are breaking the rules of the military, the organization that Kossacks love above all others. It certainly isn’t that Kossacks can’t stand to hear an alternative opinion! No, in that case they’d be banning people over at Daily Kos, and deleting inconvenient diaries.

Wouldn’t a little honesty help their cause? Something along the lines of: “Look,we on the left have a credibility problem on the war. The people who are fighting it mostly disagree with us, and we have to walk a fine line to maintain that we support the troops while trying to assert or achieve the failure of their mission. So it really does not help to have people disagreeing with us while wearing the uniform, in fact it drives us absolutely batty, and we’re not going to stand for it, at least not in our own convention. The only visible military types at Yearly Kos will be the ones who agree with us down the line. It’s our convention, that’s just how it is.”

I’d respect the honesty, anyway.

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YK is under attack at DIGG – go here and bury it

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Here is the “explanation” diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/5/3940/86488?detail=f
What Really Happened at the YearlyKos Military Panel

Do I believe you or my lying eyes…….

No, this does not warrant punishment (i.e. an art 15 or CM). It warrants a counseling statement or at most a local ltr of reprimand. I’d say the same thing had a soldier shown up and spoken out against the surge.

armylawyer on August 4, 2007 at 7:10 PM

Good points. In the old days we called it an attitude adjustment, now they call it mentoring ;) but you nailed it – it is not a career killer to be corrected as you described. Intent of military justice is to maintain “good order and discipline”.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Slighty down the front page is a screen shot of your posting at DK and the links will follow to you blog.

Being at that commie convention is an act of sedition in it’s self [sic].
No. It’s not.

Christoph on August 4, 2007 at 5:49 PM

Au contraire mon frier,
As a retired officer he is a life long representative of the US and the US army.

So who knows if all this is illegal or not? armylawyer apparently doesn’t and I don’t either.

Time to dig out Title 32, USCA…and if he is National Guard, the State law that is applicable.

In 2002 or 2003, after 9/11 before Operation Iraqi Freedom, I had a vistor from Spain, and we were walking through a park near where I live. There were two sailors also out for a stroll, obviously off-duty, and she was very taken-aback to see military personnel walking around in uniform. She said it is absolutely forbidden in Spain, no doubt due to the legacy of the Franco dictatorship. But for my part, I explained that in America we are proud of our men and women in uniform, and feel admiration and respect when we see them, not fear.

And I don’t think a SGT asking a question at a panel discussion is a slippery slope to a Falagism, either…

It was essentially an academic event, except for the fact that all the participants (except one…) happen to share a particular point of view.

Suppose the soldier had attended an event billed as “Attorneys and the Military”, or “Doctors and the Military,” and during the course of the discussion, other participants made inaccurate statements about military matters – are you saying the uniformed soldier would be violating regulations by expressing his own view of the matter?

I can agree this is a gray area, because of the convention in the context of which the “Progressives and the Military” panel was held had a political angle to it. But I don’t see the difference between the specific seminar the soldier actually spoke out in and an academic discussion.

If the DoD wants to be hardline about this, there is really no reason for any servicemember to wear the uniform except while discharging their assigned duties on active service (i.e. so that when you are wearing the uniform you *are*, by definition, acting in an official capacity), so if they want to be scrupulous and avoid any gray areas, they could change the regulations.

why does everyone think that Hotair.com is all far right wing conservatives… I don’t believe in God, I’m for stem cell research… yet here I am… it seems to me that all I see here is common sense and some of the most current news…

anyway Chuck… I’ll be happy to read what you have to say… I might tear it apart, but I’ll never tear you apart for saying what you feel….

Christoph on August 5, 2007 at 3:13 AM

Now you have gone and done it and made me think of Ted Nuggent again!!!

I inadvertently overlooked armylawyer’s attempt to answer my follow-up question on whether this means a reservist can strip in public, wear partial uniforms, soil their uniforms in protest, etc.

However, his answer appears to be largely he doesn’t know and it might have to do something with Title 10 US Code.

So who knows if all this is illegal or not? armylawyer apparently doesn’t and I don’t either.