Kind of reminds me of Nancy Pelosi’s thinking about Bashar Assad.

clghitis on August 3, 2007 at 12:44 PM

Or Bush’s dealing with the Democratic Leadership for that matter….

In defense of Chamberlain, he thought he was dealing with a traditional European power that was honorable.

Kind of reminds me of Nancy Pelosi’s thinking about Bashar Assad.

TexasDan on August 3, 2007 at 1:08 AM

TD,

A hearty ‘Amen’ to that post. Self defense is a requirement of the sixth commandment. They should try to overcome their attackers. They should have also left the women at home, and not traveled for the purpose of socialism, like they did.

Chinese home churches are teaching their leaders how to break out of handcuffs and jump safely from second story windows. Missions agencies need to start teaching their candidates some new life skills and have a game plan in place.

Finally, I think we ought not to only have a policy of non-negotiation, we ought to have a policy of playing smash mouth football. Saving hostages makes for great movies; in real life it makes for more dead good guys. Wiping out all the bad guys as priority one makes for fewer problems down the road.

The Afgans should shoot 2(or more) prisoners for every hostage killed. Then there would be no one to trade for in the future.

xplodeit on August 2, 2007 at 9:11 PM

The South Koreans (and any other nation who is held hostage like this…) should send a thousand fully armed and pissed of marines for each hostage killed.

Then this hostage taking would come to a pretty swift end.

In defense of Chamberlain, he thought he was dealing with a traditional European power that was honorable.

Yes, and whose fault was that? Hitler stated everything in Mein Kampf(sp?). All Chamberlain had to do was take Hitler at face value. History is strewn with countless bodies of people who paid for the “peace at any price” crowd’s desire to wish away evil. Those who ignore the Quran are cut from the same cloth as Chamberlain and the results will be similar. Muslims view victory as the death or total subjugation of ANYONE who does not accept their “religion”. You don’t negotiate with these people.

In defense of Chamberlain, he thought he was dealing with a traditional European power that was honorable.

Well that’s the first time I have ever read that sentence.

It kind of reminds me of Chamberlain and the Nazis [Islamists of today], if we only give them what they want, all of this will come to an end.

Yes, give them what they want, and it will all come to an end.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 2, 2007 at 4:23 PM

In defense of Chamberlain, he thought he was dealing with a traditional European power that was honorable.

From his speech to declare war:

“You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more, or anything different, that I could have done, and that would have been more successful… We have a clear conscience, we have done all that any country could do to establish peace, but a situation in which no word given by Germany’s ruler could be trusted, and no people or country could feel themselves safe, had become intolerable… Now may God bless you all and may He defend the right. For it is evil things that we shall be fighting against, brute force, bad faith, injustice, oppression, and persecution. And against them I am certain that the right will prevail.”

So presently the South Koreans are worse, because unlike Chamberlain, who didn’t know who he was dealing with (He thought he was all talk as a way to rebuild Germany after that crappy treaty at Versailles. The South Koreans know exactly who they are dealing with.

But crush them.

- The Cat

P.S. Being non-biased in war =/= patriatism.

Fabrizio Quattrocchi, an Italian security guard taken hostage in Iraq in 2004. Quattrocchi’s jihadi captors, intending to make a video of an infidel’s craven death, ordered him to kneel beside an open grave with a hood on his head. Defiantly, he stood up, tried to rip off the hood, and shouted, “I will show you how an Italian dies!” They murdered him an instant later, but he died bravely, on his feet, refusing with his last breath to be humiliated by savages.

Just wanted to remind some people of how it is best to deal with a terrorist. More men like this would make it easier for us to deal with these animals.

Interesting his idea about the dates – “January, Oktoberfest in Germany, was a great month in the ladies department” – um, Oktoberfest is in, like September. Fest season doesn’t even get cranked up until late March or April as I remember – the weather sucks too bad to try and run a carnival in January.

Honestly, if it’s not the Hyundai corruption case or the South Koreans triangulating against us with North Korea, it’s a situation like this, where Seoul appears to be far more concerned with its own short-term interests than the world’s long term interests. South Korea has already gotten Washington to rule out the use of force, so the terrorists know that there won’t be an Entebbe-style raid on them.

I don’t want these people to die, but they should be willing. They should have counted the cost before they went over there and determined that they might have to pay with their lives for what they’re doing. Hopefully, most have done that and won’t ask to be released if it means freeing people like Mullah Dadullah’s brother and future deaths. They can’t in good conscience do that and they should be telling their government not to exchange prisoners for their lives.

Just like the hostages they’ll be returned alive and mostly unharmed.

It’s a pity that Newsweek’s reporters didn’t call in the US military to help trace out the Talibanis’ satellite phone calls.

I was thinking that as I was reading.

I don’t think this is coming out good no matter what happens. It’s like you said they get what they want it’s bad. They don’t get what they want it’s bad.
Two things hit me right off with the article though. First, no escort, why does that happen in a war zone? Second, why does the bus driver just stop?

South Korea has already gotten Washington to rule out the use of force, so the terrorists know that there won’t be an Entebbe-style raid on them. That weakens Karzai’s bargaining position, which may increase the danger to the hostages.

Not so fast.

But in Washington, senior State Department official Richard Boucher said the United States is not ruling out military force to free the hostages.

Either way it’s a lose lose for poor Scott Beauchamp. Either he’s a liar, or he’s a vicious, sadistic scumbag.

Couldn’t have happened to a better ‘person’.

The Taliban have no moral bottom. They will stop killing when they have finished dying.