Video: Hitchens clashes with CAIR leader over Pace Koran prosecution; Update: Robert Spencer responds to Hooper
posted at 9:05 pm on July 31, 2007 by Allahpundit
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From tonight’s Paula Zahn. This one dragged on for 12 minutes so I’ve got to do in two parts. Part one is the main event: arguably the world’s foremost atheist butting heads with CAIR tool extraordinaire Ibrahim Hooper over how, in a world where Ayaan Hirsi Ali needs 24/7 protection and American news bureaus censor their own coverage of the Danish cartoons for fear of stirring up jihad, Hooper can dare suggest that putting a Koran in a toilet is an “act of intimidation.” As you’ll see, his logic is nonsensical on its own terms: he hones in on the difference between destroying one’s own Koran and destroying someone else’s, but that has no bearing on the intimidation factor, particularly where, as here, the Korans in question didn’t belong to Muslims.
His insistence that Yusuf Islam, a.k.a. Cat Stevens, didn’t say what he said about Salman Rushdie is also, of course, a baldfaced lie.
Part 2 coming up.
Update: Robert Spencer has responded to Hooper at Jihad Watch.
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What’s next? Punished because you drop the Koran on the floor? What if you’re a pig farmer and you touched the Koran then? Or would it be any different from dropping it on pig manure? Couldn’t get any worse than putting the cross in a jar full of urine. Eh?
Kokonut on July 31, 2007 at 9:13 PM
Oh no. Poor Robert Spencer.
mram on July 31, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Dougie Hooper is one of the slimiest men on earth. And a lying, duplicitous scumbag to boot.
JammieWearingFool on July 31, 2007 at 9:17 PM
I’m still waiting for a media outlet where whoever’s running it has the balls to tell these people to just go f*ck themselves.
Until then it’s all just a lot of powder-puff bullsh*t.
thareb on July 31, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Not a chance to watch yet, but Hitch will chew him up and spit him out. I have no doubt.
Whether Hitch likes it or not……
God bless him.
CrimsonFisted on July 31, 2007 at 9:19 PM
Allah,tried to e-mail you on this so-called ISLAMOPHBIA.
I seen it live,Hitchens was brilliant as usual.
The guy from CAIR is an idiot.
I take it CAIR isn’t to fond of JIHAD WATCH.
O the truth hurts.
canopfor on July 31, 2007 at 9:20 PM
I think Chris Hitchens just may well be God.
Wouldn’t that be ironic?
TheSitRep on July 31, 2007 at 9:22 PM
I don’t agree with Hitchins most of the time. But the man sure is an extraordinarly gifted writer and speaker.
reine.de.tout on July 31, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Thanks for posting this, AP.
I actually think the 2nd clip superior to the 1st. “We put up with his self-pity. We put with his rantings and his distortions…” Perfect.
I’ve never seen Hooper make an argument that wasn’t based on deception. Way to go Hitch, way to go Prager.
Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2007 at 9:33 PM
How many Muslims were attacked or killed right after 9-11?
How many attacks were perpetrated by Muslims after the Danish cartoon made a documentary or wrote a book denouncing Islam
Who are the real victims of hate crimes?
I’m playing the world’s smallest violin just for you Mr. Hooper and your 12 buddies at CAIR
Mojack420 on July 31, 2007 at 9:39 PM
This was excellent. Stuff like this is what makes HA great.
TheBigOldDog on July 31, 2007 at 9:39 PM
Hitchens and Prager won that debate hands down although Hooper was very slippery and lied twice, about Yusuf Islam and Robert Spencer.
aengus on July 31, 2007 at 9:40 PM
I’m sick of the incessant whining from this spokehole Hooper. He has inspired me to go desecrate a Koran.
Blake on July 31, 2007 at 9:44 PM
What’s the Muslim word for lying, oh yeah,,, Al-taqiyya
Kini on July 31, 2007 at 9:44 PM
Kini on July 31, 2007 at 9:46 PM
Hooper uses the liberal playbook of shouting down those of the opposite opinion after he’s been given his chance to speak. These news outlets waste time with such; they should block the mic of anyone who had already spoken when the next one speaks, then afterward, open them all up. Hooper also is a liar. I would trust at face value anything Robert Spencer says, especially when compared to Hooper.
IrishEyes on July 31, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Does the dumb hewer (sic) not know the difference between a race and a religion?
Phobia means fear. I do not fear islam or muslims but I do hate them and their ideology.
Why? you might ask.
Because they want to kill me.
So that sets up a situation where it is me or them.
TheSitRep on July 31, 2007 at 9:51 PM
Go Hitch! That’s my boy!
The Sinner on July 31, 2007 at 9:53 PM
We need to send some pig rain this guy’s way.
Blake on July 31, 2007 at 10:00 PM
I love his comment about how we should try to get along and not cause problems for other faiths. Right. Every day around the world muslims are killing people in the name of their faith.
Blake on July 31, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Doesn’t Ibrahim Hooper sound like the name of a PLO Islamo-Muppets character?
His dialogue is perfect: “We get reports all the time of Korans being desecrated.”
I wonder why?
profitsbeard on July 31, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Hooper is a ginormous tool. You’d think self-respecting Muslims would protest every time he is used to represent them.
frankj on July 31, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Lest we forget, CAIR as a paltry 1,700 members nationwide. Clearly, they speak on behalf of every muslim in America.
rslancer14 on July 31, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Great piece. Too bad they had a time limit.
Bacchus on July 31, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Al,
Having been dragged into the conversation here as well, even if not by name, I thought I’d note that my response to Hoop is here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017601.php
Robert Spencer on July 31, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Hey AP, did you clip Mark Steyn from H&C tonight on this topic? He was outstanding as always.
TheBigOldDog on July 31, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Notable is the image of the white house behind Mr. Hooper. Go here to view what Mr. Hooper of CAIR thinks that image should actually look like. (scroll down the lower left sidebar and study the image of the U.S. capitol with gold dome and added minaret.)
heroyalwhyness on July 31, 2007 at 10:23 PM
The fellow who put the school’s Koran in the toilet is guilty of several crimes.
Vandalism, Disturbing the Peace probably, General Jack***ery (which may not be criminal, but generally gets something in most areas). All annoying, and all misdemeanors… and oddly, not the charges being claimed.
Adding a thought crime provision to elevate him to felon is excessive, and jack***ery in and of itself though.
gekkobear on July 31, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Heh. He certainly has god-like debating skillz.
Slimeball Hooper showed his true whiney colors. Never once did he make a valid point. I was somewhat surprised to see the Hitchens-Prager tag-team on CNN. Very effective.
Then later on H&C Steyn ripped CAIR a new one with Colmes spouting his usual apologist drivel. Not a good day for CAIR at all, tsk tsk.
infidel4life on July 31, 2007 at 10:26 PM
I think his stategey of quoting anonymous internet posters was ineffective and made him sound foolish. I’m pretty sure most listeners would agree, no matter if they knew what Jihad Watch is or not.
Resolute on July 31, 2007 at 10:34 PM
I very much liked Hitchen’s point about Hooper better get used to people criticizing Islam. It would be a huge step forward if we could finally have a debate in the MSM about the insanity that is Sharia without everyone being called a bigot.
Clark1 on July 31, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Resolute-
They do now.
profitsbeard on July 31, 2007 at 10:40 PM
To me, Ibrahim Hooper is simply just another example of proof that pure evil walks this Earth in corporeal form, one of hell’s minions doing the devil’s work among us.
Seriously, that guy is pure evil, and he’s very good at it.
SilverStar830 on July 31, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Right on the money there, Robert. Resolute, I hope you are right, certainly true of all of us that know his work.
heroyalwhyness on July 31, 2007 at 10:23 PM – Yeah, they aren’t shy about it. Dishonest, yes. Shy, no.
Spirit of 1776 on July 31, 2007 at 10:42 PM
They fear you Robert. So much so they will do whatever they can to discredit you. I hope you log IPs with the comments on your site.
TheBigOldDog on July 31, 2007 at 10:47 PM
Hooper was in desperate need of a cup of Shut-The-F***-Up. He used the old tactic of talking over your opposition.
Paula should have cut his mic.
And if Hitchens or Prager were in a Sharia based country speaking like that on a major news channel, the “tolerant, peaceful followers of Islam” would have surely cut something of theirs off.
This whole debate is ridiculous. Islam is not peaceful, it is not tolerant, it is not good.
Montana on July 31, 2007 at 10:51 PM
BRAVO! Mr. Spencer. Great rebuttal to his sniveling rant.
silenced majority on July 31, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Here’s just one example of what we need to expose:
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”
Do you have any idea who said this?
It was Omar Ahmad, the chairman of the board of CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations. CAIR’s spokesmen appear regularly in the media complaining about the treatment of Muslims and giving us the message that “Muslims are part of the fabric of this great country and are working to build a better America.”
But when speaking to a Muslim audience, as Omar Ahmad was, the message is not so benign.
This is from a leading supporter of Islam.
Islam, the Religion of Piece(s)! That’s what’s left of you are the homicide bomber blows up himself and any innocent people that happen to be around him at the moment. They are such COWARDS that they hide among women and children and are MEN enough to fight without hiding. When they are surrounded, they always DRESS LIKE WOMEN to try to make their escape instead of dying and getting their virgins. Evidently they don’t have the cojones of a real man, so what would they be able to do if they had a virgin.
TruthToBeTold on July 31, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Hitchens was GREAT in that second clip.
nottakingsides on July 31, 2007 at 11:04 PM
“Islam is not a race, it’s an ideology.” – paraphrase of Ibrahim “honest abe” Hooper.
This is one of the only purely honest things I’ve ever heard the man say. I’ll mark it down, and use it to remind my friends in the UK that Islam is in fact, according to Doug “Da’wah” Hooper, an ideology and not a race.
forest on July 31, 2007 at 11:25 PM
They need to allocate more time for these segments so they don’t have to jump from one topic to the next. Ted: “OK so and so, how do you feel about the intricacies of Islam as it pertains to terror bombings, treatment of women and the rebuilding of Iraq? ” So and So: “Well Ted… I uh.. I believe first we need to” Ted: “OH I’m sorry, we’re just about out of time, let’s bring in JoeShmoe to give us his side….” “Hello Joe, can you tell us how you feel about this delicate topic?” JoeShmoe: “Well I uh, I believe.. uh” Ted: “One minute” JS: “So and so is a Bigot!” S&S: “He’s a racist!” JS: “Liar!” Ted: “Ok well, that about wraps it up, thank you both for coming, I really appreciate your insight, next tune in for our favorite Senator from NY…..”
BAH! MSM is destroying out culture, our future, our way of life and our legacy.
KMC1 on July 31, 2007 at 11:31 PM
I guess according to Ibrahim Hooper we can and should prosecute and sue anybody who holds up a sign in public that says behead all who insult Islam since that is offensive and is intended to intimidate.
From the beginning there never was any intention for the 1st amendment to quell the chance for anyone to be offended.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population.
Albert Einstein
“What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist”
Salman Rushdie
“Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you.” –Benjamin Franklin
Speakup on July 31, 2007 at 11:38 PM
Sorry, to be more accurate. “Islam is an ideology, not a race” is what Hooper said – same meaning though.
His calling it an ideology instead of a religion is telling.
forest on July 31, 2007 at 11:41 PM
The one thing I’ll always appreciate about O’Reilly is he introduced me to MM. The one thing I’ll always appreciate about Hot Air is that they introduced me to Christipher Hitchens.
I don’t like the things he said about Falwell right after his death, but I recognize that the media set him up to say those things and he didn’t really want to do it anyway.
Having said that, I really like Hitchens a lot. It’s easy to debate against muslims because they always end up lying to ‘win’. Their positions are so weak that they are not defensible in light of truth. However, I do enjoy listening to Hitchens dissect the arguments one by one. He’s right most of the time.
ThackerAgency on July 31, 2007 at 11:53 PM
Good ole Honest Ibe is at it again. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest him.
PRCalDude on August 1, 2007 at 12:09 AM
The only thing Hooper said that i agreed with is that it is possible to use the Koran to intimidate someone. For instance, leaving a Koran with a bullet hole at the front door to a mosque isn’t much different than leaving a burning cross in someone’s yard. Just about everything else that fell out of his mouth was a lie. And he never did answer Paula’s question.
eclark1849 on August 1, 2007 at 12:09 AM
Hitchens, Prager and Spencer…these guys are outstanding!
I like watching Hooper squirm and lie to argue against the truth.
PBoilermaker on August 1, 2007 at 12:12 AM
I agree that we should make things so intolerable in this country for Muslims that they would rather leave than stay here….why on earth are the critical thinkers of today willing to buy into the fairy tale of “tolerance” that never existed with our founding fathers?
Never in their wildest dreams did they imagine our foolish “leaders” would import the craziest people on the planet into our nation& bow before them….NEVER!
Our constitution was made for a people with common sense & moral values….not the squabbling lawyers we have as leaders now.
/steps off soap box…
DwnSouthJukin on August 1, 2007 at 12:19 AM
It is much different, though we’ve been conditioned by government diktat to believe otherwise. The Qur’an prescribes jihad of the sword (jihad bis saif) for every infidel. It’s no wonder then that Saudi Arabia and several other Islamic organizations have swords in their flags. The Qur’an is a document of terror for infidels, and leaving a bullet in one at a mosque is only a form of self-defense. It’s absurd to believe otherwise. The fact that we’d prosecute someone for it nowadays shows how far we’ve slid into the Orwellian future.
PRCalDude on August 1, 2007 at 12:22 AM
Hooper has his work cut out for him in defending a religion with no clothes. Is he the best spokeman Islam has in America? Defending a gilded war machine that still beheads, stones, whines, complains, and encourages children to kill is quite an assignment.
Prager has more morality and intellectual honesty that all the CAIR chapters put together. Hitchens has more intellectual insight and clarity of thought then that religious book the Islamists get all excited about.
Is is easy to understand from this exchange why dissenting thought is not allowed in most Islamic countries – people would leave Islam in droves if their lives were not threatened.
Texas Mike on August 1, 2007 at 12:24 AM
Indeed they are – it’s good to live in their sphere.
Entelechy on August 1, 2007 at 12:26 AM
Aside from his desperate hangover he seemed eager to do it and repeated it in his Slate column and speaking tours. Nothing wrong with pointing out Falwell’s vile Zionist/anti-semitic doublethink or his we-brought-this-on-ourselves 9/11 drivel.
aengus on August 1, 2007 at 12:56 AM
Here’s a link to a Google map of CAIR’s environs and a purported photo of their headquarters.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=council+on+american+islamic+relations&near=Washington,+DC+20003&fb=1&cid=0,0,13469998333114573486&ie=UTF8&ll=38.885012,-77.006403&spn=0.003023,0.006995&z=17&iwloc=A&om=1
Who knew that the Americans’ submission to all of Mohammed’s spluttering nonsense was being planned in such a cute, inoffensive, little building?
Kralizec on August 1, 2007 at 12:58 AM
Mr. Hooper,
These fellas aren’t fooled one bit by your lies or deceptions……and neither are a whole bunch of other people.
Limerick
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Limerick_share/fireman.jpg
Limerick on August 1, 2007 at 1:05 AM
Fire in the hole!
Damn, now Hooper is going to quote me. :(
JayHaw Phrenzie on August 1, 2007 at 1:15 AM
I for the first time watched Zahn’s show tonight. someone let me know Hitch was going to be on. They knew I liked him. Brilliant as usual. Hooper tried to dominate per ussual though. But as soon as Hitch started I figured I’d see it here.
PowWow on August 1, 2007 at 1:18 AM
Did I hear right? Did hooper say that islam was an ideology?
I think that admission is a milestone.
Paula was right on the money, no fence sitting moderator’s role for her. She was clearly against the muslim nonsense.
jihadwatcher on August 1, 2007 at 1:29 AM
Dennis Prager makes a cameo to talk about his column today on Islamophobia.
A phobia is an irrational fear.
Given all the terrorism and murders that Muslims have committed in the name of Islam recently, any fear of Islam is clearly not irrational.
It therefor follows, and clearly so, that the term Islamophobia as used by the likes of CAIR, is essentially a self contained non sequitur.
The only “phobia” with regard to Islam is the fear of Muslims that the truth will be told about it and it’s founder, their “Perfect man”, AKA the murdering, thieving, torturing pedophile POS.
MB4 on August 1, 2007 at 1:37 AM
This is so good to smoke these haters out while there’s still time. Islam is pure evil and America must fight it.
Mojave Mark on August 1, 2007 at 1:38 AM
The Koran is a can of malignant worms. (Sura 9:5, et al.)
About time someone figured how to open it into the public and legal debate it needs.
Who knew Islam was so water soluble?
Thanks Stan S.
(Now it will be finally dragged into the dock and cross-evamined, where it should have beem put in 1965, when the Immigration Laws were quietly changed… changed without first considering the nature of the expansionist and intolerant ideology of those Muslims suddenly allowed to enter the country in increasding numbers.)
profitsbeard on August 1, 2007 at 1:50 AM
Hoop Is a Loop. Let him keep talking.
Go Chris.
coleporter on August 1, 2007 at 1:59 AM
It is noteworthy that a man of the Left, Mr. Hitchens, is by far the most eloquent and forceful defender of free speech we have. Where on the leadership of the Right is the same kind of uncompromising truth-telling about the insidious and unfree nature of Islam?
Halley on August 1, 2007 at 2:27 AM
To me, Hitchens is more of a conservative and Bush is more of a liberal.
MB4 on August 1, 2007 at 3:44 AM
That’s a load of crap! It’s a terror tactic pure and simple! And EVEN IF, as you say the message you INTEND to SEND is one of self defense, it’s the message RECEIVED that matters, and that is in the mind of the receiver.
eclark1849 on August 1, 2007 at 5:43 AM
When did anyone say that in this threat? So who exactly do you agree with? That is probably the most anti-American thing I have read here. I feel dumber for having read it. This country was founded on tolerance and religious freedom just as much as on free speech. I don’t have a problem with muslims… I have a problem with intolerant muslims who want to be treated “special” when other religions are not. I have a problem with muslims who think violence is an acceptable response to being “offended” or “dishonored”. I have a problem with Hoopie and the Counsel of Angry Islamic Radicals who help import and peddle this “ideology” with Saudi Oil money that WE make them rich with.
We are undermining ourselves as the Saudis are radicalizing the muslims in the US. Not only that… we are paying for it, we are facilitating it, and we are looking the other way as it is done.
BadBrad on August 1, 2007 at 6:04 AM
I would take one Hitchens commentary on anything, and give you all of the Tay Zondays and MelissaJennas in the world.
Jaibones on August 1, 2007 at 6:41 AM
Well, for starters, Dennis Prager. Or were you looking for an elected official?
Jaibones on August 1, 2007 at 6:45 AM
Ah, Christopher Hitchens….my favorite atheist. I pray for his good health every day.
(That’s not sarcastic, either – may God bless him and keep him around for a long time – we need more people like him, who aren’t cowed by radicals on either side. Hitch may not love God, but God loves Hitch!)
As for Hooper, I wonder how he feels this morning after being used by Hitch as a floor mop. Hey, Dougie – let me quote VP Cheney to you. Go f^&* yourself.
Lurking Vet on August 1, 2007 at 7:14 AM
go ahead an do it, i will gladly report you to the police, i think i have never read something so hateful, as you wanting to leave a quran with a bullet in it in a mosque. where are the mods?
zane on August 1, 2007 at 7:17 AM
heh
zane on August 1, 2007 at 7:21 AM
Never read anything so hateful, huh? How about dead bodies at a mosque? What about Christian missionary’s being held captive and executed? How about reporters being kidnapped and beheaded? Where do little Hindu girls being murdered on their way to church rank in your world? Are daily rocket attacks on villages in Israel not hateful? Suicide bombers on mass transportation in London must just be a sign of love and peace.
LakeRuins on August 1, 2007 at 7:54 AM
hundu girls dont go to church
i live off of tavistock square, please dont try and abuse the memory of people i knew who were injured or died on 7/7
zane on August 1, 2007 at 8:26 AM
Amen LakeRuins, zane is obviously inzane!
silenced majority on August 1, 2007 at 8:26 AM
Doesn’t make them any less dead. On the way to school, how’s that?
And yet you still think a shot up Koran dropped oon the doorstep of a mosque is the most hateful thing you have read. Here is a test for you. Go visit any local church, or several and see how the people treat you. Next go to a synagogue and see how you are treated. Now, if you dare go visit a mosque.
Speaking just for the Atlanta, GA area I guess you can only be Muslim if you are also black. A white man wearing a cross doesn’t get more then 3 steps inside the door before you are being met and then once it is determined that you are just there to look around escorted back out the door. The fact that they run a closed society is one of the leading contributors to the suspicion sane people have of Islam.
LakeRuins on August 1, 2007 at 8:35 AM
yes but then how does it explain your suspicion?
also, i have been into many mosques, as a non muslim, and have never been treated badly, also never been treated badly in a church.
I said it was the most hateful thing i had read here in the comments sections, because HA comments sections are normally very sane intelligent places, where people dont emulate the barbarism of those that are written about on this blog. Leaving a bullit in a Koran, and placing it in a mosque is a threat, and barbaric.
zane on August 1, 2007 at 8:42 AM
It’s in the mind of a reasonable person. Would a reasonable person feel threatened? The answer is no. Offended, maybe. But, threatened, no.
Blake on August 1, 2007 at 8:45 AM
Lurking Vet on August 1, 2007 at 7:14 AM
Hitch may not love God, but God loves Hitch!)
Startling contrast between that and “Love me or I will kill you!”
captivated_dem on August 1, 2007 at 8:48 AM
Oops! I thought you were referring to the Koran in the toilet, not the Koran with a bullet hole. That is still arguable without additional facts. But again, the standard is the reasonable person. What bothers me is that Hooper introduced this story of the koran and the bullet without anyone knowing it was true. He also did it to change the subject which is whether the facts of this particular case, i.e., koran in the toilet was a hate crime.
Blake on August 1, 2007 at 8:50 AM
“He hates these Korans! Stay away from the Korans!”
-The Muslim Jerk
James on August 1, 2007 at 8:52 AM
One Cannot Offend, One Can Only Be Offended.
Wrap your head around that one, champ.
Miss_Anthrope on August 1, 2007 at 9:23 AM
Robert Spencer must have been very pleased that Hooper called him out specifically for ridicule. Congratulation Mr. Spencer, that was proof that you are saying and doing exactly the right things.
Maxx on August 1, 2007 at 9:26 AM
It’s an ideology. Kind of like communism and fascism.
Make sure you save that one, Allah. It could come in handy sometime soon.
Thanks for posting all of this. Hitchens and Prager made my day.
Connie on August 1, 2007 at 9:30 AM
Hoopah, You Got Spanked.
Miss_Anthrope on August 1, 2007 at 9:34 AM
I just don’t get it. If someone flushes an Islamist down the crapper I can see it somehow construed as a “Hate Crime”, but flushing down a Koran demonstrates hate of either books or an idea expressed there in. Have we come to a point in America where hating an idea is a crime?
Americans have the right to hate any idea they wish and if that intimidates the practioners of that idea…. so be it.
Are Americans being asked not to hate a people who actually believe that killing Americans will help them get to heaven, AND PRACTICE THAT KILLING?
I HATE PEOPLE WHO KILL OTHER PEOPLE AS AN
EXPRESSION OF THEIR RELIGION AND IF MY HATE
INTIMIDATES THEM, ALL THE BETTER.
Stand up America. We don’t have to put up with this Islamic horse poop. I don’t advocate killing them all…. just sending them all back to their medieval barn. America doesn’t need their brand of enlightenment.
Ernest on August 1, 2007 at 9:34 AM
No, a terror tactic is flying plane loads of civilians into skyscrapers. Beheading journalists and civilians in front of a video camera and widely distributing the video. Blowing up car bombs in the middle of markets. Taking a school filled with children hostage and killing them. Strapping a suicide belt on and blowing yourself up in a cafe. Taking family hostages and forcing the father to be a suicide bomber to save his family. Beating up women on a street for the way they are dressed. Go it now? Are we clear now?
TheBigOldDog on August 1, 2007 at 9:41 AM
Krykeee. The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
I’m not sure what makes my skin crawl more – listening to Mr. Hooper’s self-deluded propoganda, or enlisting a devil’s bargain with an anti-theist like, Mr. Hitchens. Brilliant, yes, but he ain’t no St. George.
Robert Spencer, et al, are my weapons of choice.
locomotivebreath1901 on August 1, 2007 at 9:44 AM
Hitchen’s is right on the money with his criticism of Islam and he is equally correct with his criticisims of Judaism and Christianity.
The greatest challenge that mankind has in the future is to shake off these primitive delusions before we all kill ourselves over which variation of a fictional character that we are going to worship.
JayHaw Phrenzie on August 1, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Yes, then we can have real leadership and enlightened government like we had with the atheist leaders Hitler, Stalin and Mao.
Wake up.
TheBigOldDog on August 1, 2007 at 9:59 AM
Personally, I don’t find stuffing a Koran or a Bible down a toilet to be all that offensive, vulgar or threatening. I’d be more mad about the plumbing bill. I DON”T know if the story is true, and I suspect Hooper made it up, but regardless of it’s truth, if you start shooting holes in stuff and leaving them around for people to find, things just got more serious.
I didn’t say it was the only terrror tactic. And blowing yourself up isn’t a terror tactic, it’s just murder. After all, who’s going to fear you if you’re dead?
eclark1849 on August 1, 2007 at 10:03 AM
As a logophile…it drives me completely round the bend when people call something a definition that isn’t one. And doesn’t take the time to understand a word before using it. That goes for Paula and Hooper.
What she called a definition of “Hate Crime” wasn’t a definition at all. It was an elaboration. And the definition of “phobia” is FEAR, not hate.
Islamaphobia is the “fear of Islam”, as Dennis said, not the fear of the people of Islam.
Why can’t people pay more attention to the words they use?? WORDS…MEAN…SOMETHING!!
Oh, and since when is doing ANYTHING to a book, intimidation? (By the way, Hooper obviously doesn’t know the definition of “intimidation” either. Ignorant Git!
Rant over. :)
tickleddragon on August 1, 2007 at 10:06 AM
Wow, Godwin’d in 7 minutes.
I win the thread.
JayHaw Phrenzie on August 1, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Hitchens said he didn’t want to discuss it, but he wanted publicity for his book. Falwell apologized profusely for the remark about 9/11 saying nobody knows God’s purpose and to imply you do would be blasphemous. I don’t care if you did disagree with Falwell’s positions, it isn’t proper to dance on anyone’s grave. Falwell never harmed anyone, he never asked anyone to harm anyone. Falwell was a pastor of a Baptist church in Lynchburg, Va. . . what did you expect him to say? He wasn’t a fake televangelist asking for money. He loved everyone. He always said ‘love the sinner but hate the sin’. The media made him out to be a monster, and I don’t agree with everything he said either. But you shouldn’t dance on anyone’s grave. And I’m sorry I brought it up again. May he RIP.
ThackerAgency on August 1, 2007 at 10:14 AM
Get serious will you.
TheBigOldDog on August 1, 2007 at 10:14 AM
I’m glad you think it’s all just a game. It explains a great deal.
TheBigOldDog on August 1, 2007 at 10:15 AM
I agree with the spirit of your post, but disagree with the specific reference: Phobia: A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation…
Obviously, we can all agree that there is not the case with radical islam.
locomotivebreath1901 on August 1, 2007 at 10:21 AM
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