Clyburn: It would be a “real big problem for us” if Petraeus’s progress report is good

posted at 11:30 am on July 31, 2007 by Allahpundit

In fairness, by “us” he seems to be referring to the House Democratic leadership, not the left as a whole. For the left a good progress report is no problem at all; they’ll shrug it off, dismiss Petraeus as a Bush stooge who’s probably racist and secretly gay, and go right on pounding on about withdrawal. For the leadership, a good report is a headache: it might encourage the Blue Dogs to side with the GOP to continue the mission, thereby leaving Pelosi with a howling anti-war base and no way to placate them. The “big problem,” in other words, is the nutroots’ absolute commitment to withdrawal colliding with facts that support a hope, however slender, of stabilizing the country if we stay on. John Burns still thinks it’s possible, as he told Hewitt last night, and the Pentagon very quietly is making plans for the next rotation of troops into 2008 to give it a shot. The question is whether there’s any reason to believe Maliki and co. are going to get their act together. Reportedly there’s a movement within his own party to push him out and corruption among the Iraqi ministries — especially the ministry of health, which is essentially being run by Mahdi Army — remains “untouchable.”

Click the image, select the second clip in the sidebar, and fast forward to 3:20 to watch. To his credit, Clyburn does go on to say that “none of us want to see a bad result in Iraq.” That’s a lie but a well meaning one. When you’re done, go read Bizzy Blog and see how Nancy Boyda dealt with her own case of cognitive dissonance.

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Well I for one hope they have a huge problem come September.

Kowboy on July 31, 2007 at 11:37 AM

What a disgrace.

WisCon on July 31, 2007 at 11:37 AM

Third ranked in the house eh? Never heard of him til now. And now that I have, one word……Loser!

soulsirkus on July 31, 2007 at 11:40 AM

WisCon on July 31, 2007 at 11:37 AM

What a disgraceDemocrat.

Had to fix that for you since you cant actually disgrace a democrat, they are after all the party who gave a standing ovation to one of their own when he was caught having unlawful homosexual relations with a underage page.

doriangrey on July 31, 2007 at 11:41 AM

Hmm! Clyburn says this, Ellison says there is progress in Iraq, NYT does editorial on surge progress…… I’m scared!!

MNDavenotPC on July 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

No the Dems will still push for the troops out of Iraq and have 2 ready made reasons.
1) The surge worked lets bring them home
2) The surge didn’t work Bring them home.
There is no such word as hypocrisy in the leftie dictionary.

Although at the pace with which they are doing investigations and inquiries and such I don’t know if they can get it into the schedule.

LakeRuins on July 31, 2007 at 11:46 AM

When success is bad.

{sigh}

Lawrence on July 31, 2007 at 11:49 AM

so if its bad for the Democratic leadership to have positive results that implies that it is good for the Democratic leadership to have bad news in Iraq. In other words if the muderous thugs that will drag soldiers through the streets hanging them from bridges have success it is good news for the dems. These people make me sick. Polical power is more important than winning a war that the results will effect us for generations if we dont create a stability.

CaptainObvious on July 31, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Of course it’s going to mean trouble for the Treason Party. And that’s “A Good Thing ™.”

georgej on July 31, 2007 at 11:50 AM

The military may fall victim to its’ own success, and that is the scary part. There are no circumstances under which the Dems will not scream for an immediate withdrawal. Sorry there is no good news here when they are determined to deliver defeat regardless of the capabilities of the enemy or the state of affairs in Iraq. I have resigned myself to hearing the drumbeat every day until Hillary takes office at which time she will get all of the remaining troops out and we can go on to providing taxpayer funded health insurance to everybody in this country legal or otherwise.

LakeRuins on July 31, 2007 at 11:50 AM

AP, you forgot the

It’s bad for the entire Left. They are deeply invested in defeat. This will be yet another instance where the Left undermined the military and America’s national security and convince moderates that they can’t be trusted with National security.

TheBigOldDog on July 31, 2007 at 11:52 AM

Let’s try again, you forgot the left tag in you link in the post above.

TheBigOldDog on July 31, 2007 at 11:52 AM

A problem because they hate Bush and do not love America.

And it will reflect well on our troops too. Wow, a lefty nightmare.

BobK on July 31, 2007 at 11:53 AM

AP can’t make a tags! HAHA! :D

lorien1973 on July 31, 2007 at 11:53 AM

CaptainObvious on July 31, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Well said, but we need to keep the Conservatives’ in power in check, as well. I don’t trust the RINOs and the neocons to stand tall for long

MNDavenotPC on July 31, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Also the left will spin it as this. Because they put pressure on the administration to change course any good news is the result of their actions to pressure for a change of course. They are of course now the winners. They brought America to victory and now lets get out of there and then of course with their enablers in the media simply quit reporting on Iraq so the millions of Iraqi who may die in the aftermath will never make it to the living room of Joe Six Pack and family and we can get on with “American Idol” and Hollywood hotties gone wild.

LakeRuins on July 31, 2007 at 11:55 AM

Doh! Allah messed up his tag! S’okay, Ace forgets to close his italics and bold tags all the time.

Bad Candy on July 31, 2007 at 11:57 AM

and do not love America.

LOL! You must be a diplomat BobK…

LakeRuins on July 31, 2007 at 11:55 AM

They can’t spin this with any credibility. They have already declared the surge a failure and pushed to pull out before it even got a chance. Now that it’s showing signs of working, it looks like they are either idiots, quitters or worse, want to lose.

TheBigOldDog on July 31, 2007 at 11:59 AM

TheBigOldDog on July 31, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Here let me help you out on that one since I can see that you are having trouble typing what you really want to say…

Now that it’s showing signs of working, it looks like they are either idiots, quitters or worse, want to lose.traitors

doriangrey on July 31, 2007 at 12:03 PM

The nanosecond that we start winning overwhelmingly in Iraq, Iraq will no longer be a news item. It will be forbidden knowledge just like the great unemployment numbers, and a steamroller economy we never hear about. Thank God for the Internet, FOX news, and AM radio. If it weren’t for new media the John Kerry’s of the world would have engineered another defeat for the U.S. in the war against Islam.

Mojave Mark on July 31, 2007 at 12:03 PM

Mojave Mark on July 31, 2007 at 12:03 PM

If it weren’t for new media the John Kerry’s of the world would have engineered another defeat for the U.S. in the war against Islam.

They may still manage that…

doriangrey on July 31, 2007 at 12:05 PM

why am i not shocked about this. good news from Iraq = bad news for the traitorsDemocRats.

Mojack420 on July 31, 2007 at 12:06 PM

I have always believed that the Democrats were hoping for failure in Iraq due to their hate of Bush. They don’t support the troops. They constantly put political interests over national security interests. Why anyone would vote for a Democrat is beyond my comprehension.

katieanne on July 31, 2007 at 12:20 PM

It’s not going to be a problem for the D. leadership. Remember, Pelosi and Reid previously could barely scrape together a few minutes for Petraeus after initially dismissing him entirely. By September, variants of “Bush stooge” will certainly be constructed for every possible argument.

As a matter of fact, Clyburn will probably be “clarifying” his position within a day or so.

eeyore on July 31, 2007 at 12:28 PM

What I want to know is……

When (not if) the “progressives” force a “last-helicopter-out”, Saigon ’75-style withdrawal from Iraq, which one of their “enlightened leaders” will be buying the champagne for the victory party at DNC HQ this time around?

(They’ve got to have champagne, even if it isn’t hara’am. I mean, they deserve it. In their own view.)

The progressives maintain that “they love this country”. Right. It would be more accurate to say they have a romance going with their own dream of what they could turn this country into, given half a chance. That result would probably not exactly appeal to the average American- unless the “average American” is Noam Chomsky or Ward Churchill, which I seriously doubt.

If it weren’t for the destruction they’d cause, the misery they’d inflict, and the New Dark Age they’d bring about, I’d almost be willing to let them have the run of the place. Because after they’d tried everything that their dogmas demand, and not a single one of their grand plans worked, even if they, themselves, were unwilling to admit they were wrong, it would be patently obvious to everyone else. And future generations would take the “enlightened reformers” of today about as seriously as we take the likes of Louis XVI, Napoleon Bonaparte’, or Kaiser Wilhelm. Namely, as over-educated idiots who attained levels of power they had neither the wit nor the wisdom to exercise properly.

Or the good sense to know when to quit.

cheers

eon

eon on July 31, 2007 at 12:29 PM

Problems for Democrats ….

Winning
Success
Truth
Facts

fogw on July 31, 2007 at 12:34 PM

Just another brick in the wall of evidence that the Dims are more interested in gaining seats in Congress than America winning the war. Put this one next the Dinghy Harry’s comments.

Mallard T. Drake on July 31, 2007 at 12:39 PM

notice a few seconds after he says it woulb be a problem for us he starts saying but we hope theres good news, we love this country blah blah blah….you can tell he caught himself and tried to spin around.

Locrian on July 31, 2007 at 12:41 PM

Locrian on July 31, 2007 at 12:41 PM

you can tell he caught himself and tried to spin around.

Yea, kind of like that last jerk after the trapdoor opens and the rope stops stretching…

doriangrey on July 31, 2007 at 12:48 PM

(“oh, shit, they’re recording this, aren’t they!”)

Rush has been saying it for years: What’s good for America is bad for Democrats. Our good news is their horror story.

Jaibones on July 31, 2007 at 12:55 PM

Ugh. What did my state do to deserve Clyburn and Graham? Oh yeah, we gerrymandered a district for the sole purpose of “diverse” Congressional representation and we thought an effeminate pandering crybaby could be a replacement for Strom “The Animatronic Zombie Senator” Thurmond.

Thank God we’ve got DeMint.

angryoldfatman on July 31, 2007 at 1:01 PM

eon, great post.

riccangolf on July 31, 2007 at 1:19 PM

It may be a problem to Senate Democrats like Reid and Feingold and to House Democrats like Pelosi and Murtha if General Petraeus issues a report showing progress (and it increasingly looks like that is what will happen), but it will be great for our magnificent men and women of our magnificent military who are putting themselves in harm’s way.

My older son is a U.S. Army First Lieutenant (with Ranger tab) serving in harm’s way as a platoon leader in Iraq. When you have your own flesh and blood on the line, it is difficult to express how so very angry I become over what Clyburn says. I want to see all these defeatist Democrats turned out of office, along with some weak kneed Republicans.

Phil Byler on July 31, 2007 at 1:27 PM

Murtha now speaks out to say dont believe good news

Iraq is getting worse

William Amos on July 31, 2007 at 1:34 PM

Liberals = the enemy within.

What’s good for America is bad for Democrats.

jdawg on July 31, 2007 at 1:35 PM

The inadequacy of the Iraqi government and ineffectualness of Al Maliki is the Dems only hope at this point.

CliffHanger on July 31, 2007 at 1:40 PM

Crap put the wrong link up again

Murtha speaks here

William Amos on July 31, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Finally one of them admits they want us to lose for their political gain!

Yet… the world will never know… here’s a Yahoo! News seach on – patraeus clyburn problem

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news;_ylt=A0WTTkqkcq9GZwkAeCLQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBhNjRqazhxBHNlYwNzZWFyY2g-?p=clyburn+problem+petraeus&c=&ei=UTF-8&fr2=tab-web&fr=moz2&x=wrt

Results: 1

And it’s just the WaPo story anyway (who brought us the video linked to above anyway)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html

Google News gives 3 results, all lesser known blogs though, and barely covering the story anyway (at least as it pertains to noting how the Dems WANT failure).

Interesting to read the comments from some liberal commenters at the following post, which essentially amount to “well if Petraeus’ report is good, it’s only cherry picking or lies anyway”. Why again do we bother to show any respect to Democrats who are so evil (yup, I brought back the e word because there’s no other way to describe this behavior) to their core? I’m really sick and tired of this sh**. You know, we hear the “no one wants us to lose” “no one wants failure”, and we know it’s not true, we know the Democrats require failure in order to win elections because they have no platform, plans or ideas, and they pray every day for more death, destruction, and chaos and Clyburn finally admitted it, and where is the coverage? Where is the outrage? A few of us making sarcastic comments on a blog? This, along with all the other things Democrats have done over the past few years that are borderline treasonous should be causing some serious backlash and I can’t believe we sit here and tolerate it.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/3040

RightWinged on July 31, 2007 at 1:46 PM

What is good for America is bad for Dems.

TheSitRep on July 31, 2007 at 2:00 PM

Way to say it RightWinged,
Now that the “truth” has been spoken I pray that the september report goes well….

of course the dimcrats will than complain about the lack of progress of the political front in Iraq….if plan A does not work go to plan B….

God Bless OUR Troops!

robo on July 31, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Reality Check Time:

1. The Democrat Party has already drafted their “quagmire” rhetoric for September. The facts aren’t going to matter. The success of the surge isn’t going to matter. The truth isn’t going to matter. The “rats” are so invested in defeat they can’t move off that position.

2. Clyburn will be sputtering and muttering that he never said what is being reported.

3. The goal post will change once again. If there is military success in Iraq, the “rats” will claim that the only thing that matters is political success. If there is both political and military success (less likely) then the reason for immediate surrender will be some other reason that the “rats” will make up on the spot- perhaps that we need to get out of Iraq because our Humvees are contributing to global warming.

4. It’s all political theater.

highhopes on July 31, 2007 at 2:06 PM

There was a shocking phrase in the Washington POST (!!!) Online article about this. In discussing the difficulty that a positive report might cause the Democrat caucus, the “blue dog” caucus wwas discussed.

This group was described as a “moderate to conservative” group of Democrats. I was shocked to see a description, in the mainstream media, of “moderate” Democrats.

First, by definition, ALL Democrats are moderate, aren’t they? (ergo all conservatives and/or republicans are fascist or at least immoderate).

Secondly, obviously if the “blue dogs” are moderate, those to the left include some who are not moderate, no?

Blaise on July 31, 2007 at 2:11 PM

Phil Byler:

Please make sure your son knows how much we respect and appreciate him for his service to our Country.
Although it has to be demoralizing for our troops to hear all this nonsense, I am sure (in spite of what John Kerry thinks) that they are all WAY too smart to believe
the drivel from the ‘rats.

dbdiva on July 31, 2007 at 2:16 PM

Comment from (D-NY) Sen. Hillary Clinton October 14,2007 following General Petraius’ report on the surge in Iraq;

“I was for the war….
before I was against the war….
before I was for the war”

The 2-term Senator could become a 3-time flopper.

sbf

subbottomfeeder on July 31, 2007 at 2:23 PM

1 hour, 6 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) – A top Democratic lawmaker Tuesday dismissed the findings of two longtime Iraq war critics, who cited a dramatic improvement in the situation there following the infusion of thousands of additional US troops.

I dismiss it at as rhetoric,” said US Representative John Murtha, a former marine, congressional heavyweight on military matters, and outspoken Iraq War critic. DemocRATic a-hole.
“I don’t know where they were staying. I don’t know what they saw. But I know this: that it’s not getting better,” Murtha said on CNN television.
“It’s over-optimist. It’s an illusion,” the Pennsylvania lawmaker continued…

UNREAL! TREASONIST BASTARD.

Thoughts and much gratitude to Phil Byler and his heroic son for his brave service as well as all who serve with honor, past, present and future!!

NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2007 at 2:36 PM

*Dhemocrat response to victory* We knew it all along!

I hope the American people aren’t so stupid as to let this current iteration of the Dhems stay in office. God help us all.

Mojave Mark on July 31, 2007 at 2:36 PM

“Big problem.”

Sounds like a declaration of self-serving agenda to me….

Boyda who? She should cross the state line (not the isle, mind you, just the state line) and learn a few manors from Ike Skelton.

locomotivebreath1901 on July 31, 2007 at 2:46 PM

That piece of pond scum doesn’t care about our soldiers or our country . . . his only concern is for his place at the public feeding trough.

A Disgrace!

rplat on July 31, 2007 at 2:48 PM

2. Clyburn will be sputtering and muttering that he never said what is being reported.

highhopes on July 31, 2007 at 2:06 PM

And sadly, the MSM won’t bust him… I imagine it will barely be news on Fox News… possible mention on O’Reilly tonight, likely mention on Hannity & Colmes tonight, and possibly tomorrow, and I’d say it’s 50/50 that Gutfeld might mention it on Red Eye… beyond that, I’d say the world will likely never know. But this should be the top story in every paper, and on every evening newscast in the nation, and Fox should be playing that video on a loop.

RightWinged on July 31, 2007 at 2:55 PM

…and Fox should be playing that video on a loop.

RightWinged on July 31, 2007 at 2:55 PM

AMEN. But why AREN’T they??

NightmareOnKStreet on July 31, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Problems for Democrats ….

Winning
Success
Truth
Facts

fogw on July 31, 2007 at 12:34 PM

…and America, and the way she still is, the Great Lady! We wish to keep her that way, they wish to change her; and that’s what it’s all about. The irony is that they are oblivious to the fact that they’d be included in her ruin, just like us.

Entelechy on July 31, 2007 at 3:12 PM

This isn’t about hatred of Bush, or hatred of Republicans, or hatred of the military – these bastards are Communists, and they hate anything that gets in the way of their collective society. A successful mission in Iraq will get in their way. They know exactly what they’re doing – they do not make mistakes. There are no misunderstandings. They will not be satisfied until their Communist ideology is offically in place. Anything which will destablize this country is preferred. Through chaos and the creation of a dependent People, they will create their Utopia. These Communists are insidious, and they are the enemy of this Nation.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 31, 2007 at 4:00 PM

This is treason!! Can anybody deny that? This turd openly admitted he wanted our troops to lose, so that the democrat party would be perceived as being “right”, and therefore, would benefit at future elections.
Execution is too good for this man.

ataloss on July 31, 2007 at 4:27 PM

Nancy Boyda’s (possibly contrived?) hearing cut-and-run act was surely not an example of leadership.
…it seems that she can’t even handle the idea that the situation might be improving.

Watching this live on C-Span it looked to me that Rep. Boyda was going to cry. They were discussing an amendment that she had authored and was emotionally committed to.

That must be it because it was clear that she could be committed to for her work.

TunaTalon on July 31, 2007 at 5:11 PM

dbdiva: thanks for your 2:16 PM post. My older son is a graduate of Purdue University with a 3.0 GPA. He is way, way smarter than any of the drivel rats. As you can imagine, John Kerry’s infamous comment was the subject of many remarks in my household.

Phil Byler on July 31, 2007 at 6:39 PM

If the late Major General Benedict Arnold were still alive, the Democrats would be arguing over whether to run him for President or just nominate him for the Nobel Peace (through appeasement) Prize.

Lancer on July 31, 2007 at 7:43 PM

The Democratic leadership would have screamed for surrender at Midway and would have demanded a withdrawl as the first bombs fell.

I have my doubts about Iraq but they lie with the Iraqi politicians and the tribal state of mind that permeates their culture, not with military options. I do think that the biggest problem with Iraq is that it has become the issue of the whole Islamofascist War and defeat there will doom us to defeat as a culture.

Buzzy on July 31, 2007 at 8:17 PM

I got to thinking, big trouble there. The republicans need to make sure there are no votes on Iraq, for withdraw or to keep the forces there. They need to make sure the Dems are stuck with their votes when they set the April withdraw.

Dotn let them out of the box. Dem will want to get a vote in saying how they support the troops and how their vote made things happen and now they want to give it more time. Or, if they vote on the resolution again, they can vote against it. Can’t let them do that.

WoosterOh on July 31, 2007 at 8:49 PM

My God. I’ve always felt that through their actions that many in Congress (mostly Democrats) don’t want success in Iraq for various political reasons that but for some to come right out and say it essentially…. amazing.

Yakko77 on July 31, 2007 at 9:39 PM

Disgusts me to the core!

sMack on July 31, 2007 at 10:06 PM

Big problem? They’ve got a lot invested? Crap, can we call them traitors yet?

PowWow on August 1, 2007 at 12:30 AM

I used the Midway analogy two weeks or so ago, and I stand by it. Most wars cannot be won totally or permantently or ‘unconditionally’, but this war can be won in a profound and fundamental and lasting sense.

When it IS won ( within the next year ) the Democrats are going to look like shi……….

Janos Hunyadi on August 1, 2007 at 1:38 AM

I imagine it will barely be news on Fox News… possible mention on O’Reilly tonight, likely mention on Hannity & Colmes tonight, and possibly tomorrow, and I’d say it’s 50/50 that Gutfeld might mention it on Red Eye… beyond that, I’d say the world will likely never know. But this should be the top story in every paper, and on every evening newscast in the nation, and Fox should be playing that video on a loop.

RightWinged on July 31, 2007 at 2:55 PM

Wow, even that was overshooting… unless I missed it, NO mention on O’Reilly, and NO mention on H&C, and Andy Levy mentioned it during Red Eye’s Half Time Report, but he attempted to “clarify” for Clyburn, which irritates me because I don’t buy the clarification. You watch that video, it’s quite clear Democrats see a political problem with a positive report, meaning they hope it’s negative, meaning they hope there is more death and chaos and no progress with the government, etc. etc. which we’ve known was the Dems’ position for some time, but it’s interesting to have one of them tell us.

Folks, as I said, the MSM won’t be covering this.. Hell, even Fox didn’t cover it! So do the right thing, and email the link to that video to all your friends and family along with the article link (both below):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/07/30/VI2007073001325.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html

RightWinged on August 1, 2007 at 4:35 AM

…Make sure you include AP’s note

Click the image, select the second clip in the sidebar, and fast forward to 3:20 to watch

RightWinged on August 1, 2007 at 4:38 AM

Thomas Sowell’s piece today points out that there may be signs of Dims finally coming ot grips with the good news in Iraq and may embrace victory. Given what we’ve heard from leading Dims recently on how good news on the WOT in Iraq means bad news for them, I would suggest that many Dims will start to come over to our side, but find a way to take credit for success in Iraq and still make Dubya look like a bumbling idiot. They have to realize that after being exposed as conniving seditious traitors yesterday, that defeat in the WOT is a losing issue for them, and against their own personal best interest (in staying alive).

geekrunner on August 1, 2007 at 7:58 AM

FDR on D-Day, plus 1, receiving radio call from Gen. Eisenhower:

So, Dwight, how are we doing in Normany?

Eisnhower:

It looks good, Mr. President.

FDR:

Gee that could be a real big problem for us.

How times Dems have changed.

profitsbeard on August 1, 2007 at 11:30 AM

It would be a really big problem if the black community woke up and found out the their “black leadership” hasn’t done anything for them…except under-educate them.

right2bright on August 1, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Us winning the war? I question the timing…very suspect, just before the national elections we have good stories about the war.
Those evil Republicans, winning the war late just to get votes.

That will be one of the answers from the stupid left.

right2bright on August 1, 2007 at 3:26 PM

Someone ought to create a campaign commercial showing that what’s good for America is bad for Democrats.

jdawg on August 1, 2007 at 7:07 PM

I guess what this tool is saying is that the dems want a good outcome in Iraq as long as they can continue to hamper that outcome as much as possible.

csdeven on August 1, 2007 at 11:28 PM