Of course not!

By asking this, you imply that there may be doubt as to whether or not they are patriotic. There is no doubt, here. So there is not reason to ask this question, because the answer is quite clear: They are NOT patriotic. They are traitors.

HTH, have a nice patriotic conservative day!

That’s just insane. If he wanted a job advising anyone on anything, wouldn’t he need a track record of accuracy in your observations?
Flamboyantly denouncing a successful operation and demanding a ill-advised strategy would certainly not be resume enhancers for presidential advisers of any party.

Just damn.

As for the enemies, and there are a whole bunch of them, losing their will to fight if only, if only the Democrats had just supported Bush with their rhetoric as well as the bucks, that is wishful thinking.

You are falling into the Dolchstosslegende trap.

MB4 on July 31, 2007 at 12:52 AM

You do realize the chaos wasn’t nearly what it is until the politicization of this conflict, right? And it increased over the years as the politicization got worse. I’m not saying there couldn’t have been better plans to have made things go more smoothly, but I think it’s very obvious that a united front would have been the most powerful tool. At this point I’m tempted to say “pull out” and that it’s unwinnable, NOT because we can’t win the military battle, but because the Democrats won’t allow us to win. You don’t think the situation is affected greatly when we’re supposed to get a report in September, but Dems try to say “the surge has failed” “the war is lost” in July? You don’t think the enemy is giddy and knows that they can’t let up now because they are just an election away from victory? Do you understand their motivation, given by Democrats, when they see what a huge moral boost and recruiting tool it would be to defeat the great satan.

The only one recurring sour note comes from the realization that if not
for the aid and comfort provided to the Al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq by
the America-hating liberals in this country, our boys job would likely
at this point be all but finished, ready to hand things off to the
Iraqi army and government, and all set to board those ships and planes for
their eagerly awaited trip home.

When I think of the needless deaths and suffering our boys have had to
endure as a direct result of the machinations of the liberal
blame-America-first crowd, it is very, very difficult for me to contain the
intense anger and outrage I feel. In fact, I’m all set to volunteer as an
interrogator at Guantanamo – just so long as I’m permitted to take a
couple of plane loads of liberals down there with me.

I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he
makes and we should just support that.

We have been there for well over FOUR years now.

MB4 on July 31, 2007 at 12:14 AM

But we’ve only started using Patraeus’ demonstrably winning solution about 4 MONTHS ago.

Defeatist whiners like you are exactly what this post is about. Your weakness and whining encourages the enemy and causes our hard-won allies to doubt us.

In other words, your pressure tactic is, in reality, producing exactly the opposite of what you thought it would.

And as far as that insanity thing… you should take your own advice.

RightWinged on July 31, 2007 at 12:22 AM

The Democrats, rhetoric aside, have given Bush pretty much all he has wanted including his last supplemental request. He now has, what 25,000, 30,000 more troops, in Iraq than he did when Democrats took control of both hoses of congress last January.

As for the enemies, and there are a whole bunch of them, losing their will to fight if only, if only the Democrats had just supported Bush with their rhetoric as well as the bucks, that is wishful thinking.

You are falling into the Dolchstosslegende trap.

When he blamed the US Military for not “getting the word out” about the drop in violence, did anyone else wanna push the guy’s face in, a tiny bit? I mean, no the Military hasn’t done the best PR job, but just to assign all the blame to them for only bad news coming out of Iraq, when you work for the New York Times … It leaves me speechless. And angry. Makes me wanna pound my head on my desk. That’s an unbelievable amount of gall.

First they betray the Military, then they blame the Military for that betrayl.

apollyonbob on July 30, 2007 at 11:39 PM

Very well said!

So let’s help the Military out, shall we? Tons of good news is literally flowing out of Iraq. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

IMHO, everyone should subscribe to this link and get the undiluted feed of news, straight out of CentCom. You’d think the dinosaur media would’ve picked up on this, but no. They’ve decided America must lose at all costs, the bastards.

All you have to do is send an email to this address:
MNCI-PAO-VICTORYMAINJOC@IRAQ.CENTCOM.MIL

In the subject field put:
“Please add me to the Press Release email list”

And ask them to add you to that list.

Send this link to your friends and associates. The amount of fantastic and very positive news that is sent out everyday is amazing. And yes, the bad stuff is reported too. But there is far more good than bad these days.

It is impossible for any honest thinking individual to deny that we are undeniably succeeding in Iraq. Patraeus is working near miracles. His counter-insurgency plans are being executed very competently.

I’m very encouraged and I hope the truth gets out to the American People and the world. Help that process along every chance you get, if you would.

Calls for withdrawal are reducing the chance of political reconciliation, says Burns

You said:

We have been there for well over FOUR years now. Well not actually “we” as it has been, more or less, the same guys going over and over again while most of America goes shopping. Shiites and Sunnis do not seem to be any closer to political reconciliation to me. If anything to the contrary. Just ask ‘em. Maybe, just maybe, if we announced that we were leaving their “attention would be focused”.

Isn’t the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

MB4 on July 31, 2007 at 12:14 AM

To which I will say exactly what you were intending to respond to:

Calls for withdrawal are reducing the chance of political reconciliation, says Burns

The calls for withdrawal have essentially been going on since a few months in to the war. 6 months in it was the fall of 2003 and Democrats knew they were only a year away from a Presidential election… so the war that they and all their buddies argued for for 13 years suddenly became “WMD lies” “war for oil” “Halliburton” “we’ve lost!” “pull out!”.

You wonder why the political situation hasn’t gone far? (though I’d still argue that the numerous elections were shocking in such a fastly changing young “new” country and all of the violence). The reason is the violence, and the violence is spurred on by calls to withdraw. The enemy knows there is no physical fight to be won, it’s all being won and lost in Washington. And when the Dems promise to surrender, with the media lying and not busting Dems on their 180 positions, allowing them to chip away at public opinion, the enemy wakes up with resolve to fight for another day. I maintain that Iraq would look completely different.. and would have been much better even 2 or 3 years ago, if the Democrats hadn’t politicized this thing with their all too powerful media holding their hands all the way.

We have been there for well over FOUR years now. Well not actually “we” as it has been, more or less, the same guys going over and over again while most of America goes shopping. Shiites and Sunnis do not seem to be any closer to political reconciliation to me. If anything to the contrary. Just ask ‘em. Maybe, just maybe, if we announced that we were leaving their “attention would be focused”.

Isn’t the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

**Herein lies the utter idiotic strategy of the Dems. They thought by being all Anti-Bush all the time in everything, they could win ‘08 with a landslide.

The reason for the 180 degree is very clear: they are not stupid. They are idiots, but not stupid.

However it is way too late.

**This my friends is the final leg of devastation and obscurity for the Liberals and Democrats.

**You have just witnessed their self-inflicted snare being tripped.

This is it.

Mark my word.

Start planning the Grand Old Party; measure the drapes, order the linen and the cake.

THIS

Why the hell would anyone in our country want us to lose any war?
profitsbeard on July 30, 2007 at 8:54 PM

…pretty much sums it up.

First they betray the Military, then they blame the Military for that betrayl.

Be aware of how they’re demonizing him going forward because the closer we get to the September progress report, the more the left is going to want to preemptively discredit anything hopeful that he might have to say.

This is the disgusting reality I’ve been repeating for years now. This isn’t just some partisan far right nut thing to say, it’s very obvious: The left WANTS us to lose. Failure and other negative things are the only way Democrats can win by default, which is the only way they can win because they have no plans or ideas. It’s all about hoping and praying for death and chaos and anything else negative they can imagine. What do you think all the bogus “scandals” and investigations have been about?

And it ain’t the “fringe” left folks, it’s the mainstream left, elected Democrats, your friends and neighbors. It’s f-ing disgusting, and I’m tired of folks acting like I’m out on the fringe for recognizing the obvious. I’m surprised AP even went so far to acknowledge it, but I would definitely take it further. Folks really don’t understand just how bad this is. These people want death and chaos, a bad economy, etc. in hopes that they can gain power in our country.

A War We Might Just Win from the NY Times is reported by Kenneth Pollock and Michael O’Hanlon in Baghdad, Tal Afar, Mosul, Ramadi that indicates that there is a lot of fear in Iraq about the aftermath of the…

There’s a paradox. That’s to say the more that the Democrats in the Congress lead the push for an early withdrawal, the more Iraqi political leaders, particularly the Shiite political leaders, but the Sunnis as well, and the Kurds, are inclined to think that this is going to be settled, eventually, in an outright civil war…

Experienced leaders know about this effect and don’t consider it a paradox, just a tactic. A definitive loss for the U.S. could benefit the Democratic Party in 2008. Hillary knows how she is seen on the Arab street. And she uses it for deliberate effect. Many people in Iraq are trying to pick the winning side to join up. For those wavering people this Al Jazeera story is actionable intelligence.

The recent Democratic initiatives in the Senate have attempted to reduce the U.S. forces in Iraq to the Rumsfeld days, not to end the war, and certainly not to end the war. Such a compromise between victory and defeat will leave a war continuing through Nov. 2008 with a losing strategy and will spell the end of the Republican Party for years.

He hates to use the word, “win.”

No kidding.

Laura on July 30, 2007 at 8:12 PM

Yeah, that was a bit disappointing but it’s the best we’ve got from those who opposed the war and are now at least being honest about progress so we sort of got to take it and run I guess.