GOP YouTube fallout: We’ve lost the perky vote

posted at 8:18 am on July 30, 2007 by Allahpundit

The teddy bears on the bed are a bit much.

Here’s another one, short but much less sweet. I hope this is what they have the boss talking about tonight on O’Reilly. A righteous, nationally televised lambasting of GOP cowardice on this subject is just what the doctor ordered. Plus, it’d give KP a golden opportunity to perform her crowd-pleasing standard, “I agree with Michelle.”


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Dork B. on July 30, 2007 at 7:54 PM

When I was a child I thought as a child, but then I grew up.

Amazing, things haven’t changed in all those years. I think it says more about the dhims than anything else – a party with the morals and outlook of a child…

jdawg on July 30, 2007 at 7:56 PM

You sound a bit Christophobic to me, partner. I’m also guessing from some of your other posts, looking at your spelling and grammar, you ain’t from these parts, are you? You sound like one of those post-modernist european socialists who hate anything that might even slightly smack of religious (except maybe islam).

jdawg on July 30, 2007 at 7:45 PM

I am a college-educated Californian, a proud Schwarzenegger Republican, who believes that Government should stay out of people’s bedrooms and wombs. I am a hawk, I have family and friends fighting in the Middle East right now, I want them to finish the job and take out Al Qaeda. I could give a damn about Iraq, let the savages we are holding apart right now go at it for all I care. I am a recovering catholic, btw. You know about the Catholic Church, right? The one that just paid out $660 million to kids molested under it’s care? Seems to me that religion does more harm than good in this, and any other, time.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Amazing, things haven’t changed in all those years. I think it says more about the dhims than anything else – a party with the morals and outlook of a child…

jdawg on July 30, 2007 at 7:56 PM

So it’s childish to allow 2 consenting adults to marry if they are of the same sex? Sorry I don’t follow you.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:12 PM

But that’s not the half of it. Becoming a Christian sealed the deal for me in regards to my “conversion” to conservatism, which I’m sure is true for not a few of us.
Sorry Sinner!
I also disagree that we need to go secular and more moderate like Arnold and Rudy. Remember, Dems always try to sound conservative to get elected. Even RINOS butch it up during campaign season.

Dork B. on July 30, 2007 at 8:15 PM

I also disagree that we need to go secular and more moderate like Arnold and Rudy.

Dork B. on July 30, 2007 at 8:15 PM

Last I checked, big-tenters like Arnold, Rudy and Mike Bloomberg won re-election by huge margins, while religious cons like Rick Santorum, George Allen, Jim Talent, JD Hayworth and Katherine Harris got the boot. Disagree all you like, then prepare for many sad election nights.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:31 PM

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:31 PM

Now just how in the heck did this thread invoke religion?

Why is it that failed Catholics feel the need to waste so much time and energy bashing religion? Hey buddy, the Catholic Church wasn’t for you, that’s great, now shut up and live your life. Why do you people constantly inist on being instigators?

We get it, you’re more clever than all of us, now pat yourself on the back a few times and get on with your life.

reaganaut on July 30, 2007 at 8:47 PM

So it’s childish to allow 2 consenting adults to marry if they are of the same sex? Sorry I don’t follow you.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:12 PM

I would have to say, yes, it is.

Last I checked, big-tenters like Arnold, Rudy and Mike Bloomberg won re-election by huge margins, while religious cons like Rick Santorum, George Allen, Jim Talent, JD Hayworth and Katherine Harris got the boot. Disagree all you like, then prepare for many sad election nights.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:31 PM

Arnold, Rudy and Bloomberg won in two of the most heavily Blue states on the map. Their policies might not be so popular in fly-over country. And last I checked, Santorum, Allen, Hayworth, etc. didn’t lose by huge margins. I’m all for a Big Tent – a big, Conservative Tent.
We could hold revivals!

Dork B. on July 30, 2007 at 8:59 PM

I checked, Santorum, Allen, Hayworth, etc. didn’t lose by huge margins.

Dork B. on July 30, 2007 at 8:59 PM

Santorum lost, with 41% of the vote to Casey’s 59%, statistically the worst defeat ever for an incumbent Republican Senator in Pennsylvania, according to Wiki. Katherine Harris lost 60% to 38% to Bill Nelson. The others lost in heavily red territory, all carried heavily by Bush in ’04.

Facts, not faith, will serve you better my friend.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 9:19 PM

So if the GOP’s extreme-religious values have not chased away young people, why do more young people now than ever support gay marriage and say the Democrats more reflect their “moral values”? The younger generation is more tolerant, and feels pushed out by the GOP’s religious zealots when they don’t join them at the pew.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 7:22 PM

Here’s one absolute political truism: 99% of the time, when somebody calls someone else “extremist,” what they actually mean is “you don’t agree with me.”

It’s a little bit laughable to suggest that the idea that men and women should be the ones getting married is “extreme.”

Extremists fly planes into buildings. Extremists aren’t those who suggest that an institution that’s remained unchanged for most of recorded history maybe ought to stay that way.

But then, you’re just an extremist who is intolerant of traditional values. See how that works? You P.C. Generation X extremist, you.

God, I love irony.

And don’t get me started on “tolerant.” That’s worse than “extremism.” The only people who use that word use it right before they show somebody else no tolerance at all. 100% of the time. And I have no tolerance for that.

More irony for the win!

Is it even worth reading back through this thread to find out how it veered so off topic since the last time I checked in? Is that perky girl ever going to lose the halter top and start dancing?

Can’t we all just get along?

Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:31 PM

YouTube, I know you consider yourself politically active and all, but there’s someone I think you should meet.

This is Rock The Vote.

saint kansas on July 30, 2007 at 4:35 PM

And the award for funniest – and most accurate – comment goes to …

Well done, St. KS!

Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:33 PM

I’m sure nobody is listening at this point, but here’s a couple of things to throw in this mess. First, I don’t know who the lass is, but she’s not an empty-headed teen on her way to the county fair. Go back and listen to her vocabulary. Disparaging, venue, not words that many young people use.

Second, who cares what this minute sliver of the population thinks? I used to teach school. The first lecture of the school year, I polled the class and wrote everyone’s year of birth on the chalkboard. I then wrote my year of birth and pointed out that had God intended us to be friends, our birthdays would have been closer. I then went on to define the relationship as teacher-student, not buddy-buddy.

It’s the same thing here. The candidates aren’t running for student council, they’re running for the Presidency of the United States. Does anyone seriously think that the YouTube crowd’s estimation of Republicans will rise after they field questions from Frosty, the Tin Man, Darth Vader, or whomever else they care to trot out for the dog and pony show? Please.

All that will happen if the GOP attends is that the YouTubers will snicker at the prank. It’s time to take the high road, knowing that it leaves those who choose the low road to the company of those who made the same poor choice.

windbag on July 30, 2007 at 9:36 PM

Honestly, despite her “like” and “seriously” and trailing on and on and on, I completely agree with her. The GOP could use the publicity. There are conservatives and independents on the internet needing persuasion, you know. This is basically a televised, personal conversation between a real candidate and a real person.

The Republicans should definitely rethink their stances on this YouTube thing. Even if there is something silly like a Snowman, then so what? Make a joke about it and answer the question anyway.

Like, seriously.

mboprey on July 30, 2007 at 9:49 PM

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Oh, I see, so (in your very narrow mind) what happens in the Catholic Church is representative of ALL of Christianity? Please don’t insult my intelligence. Surely, as someone who has a college education, you understand the concept of “painting with a broad brush.” – I got a college education as well, and I clearly understand the difference.

And, since you’re so down with “religion,” do you include Islam in that definition?

Somehow I rather doubt you’re a Republican, as you present arguments more in line with DailyKos, or HuffPo.

jdawg on July 30, 2007 at 9:58 PM

So it’s childish to allow 2 consenting adults to marry if they are of the same sex? Sorry I don’t follow you.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:12 PM

Being educated in California, that doesn’t surprise me. Think about it a bit.

jdawg on July 30, 2007 at 9:59 PM

Facts, not faith, will serve you better my friend.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 9:19 PM

You didn’t quote the whole sentence in its entirety but I forgive you.
I’ll concede that the margins were larger than I was aware of – The Harris margin approaches huge, I guess. But she did have a lot of ill will for her role in stopping Al Gore’s attempt at stealing the 2000 election. And her colleagues begged her not to run, because everyone knew she would lose. But the others – are you sure of your sources? Because personally I don’t believe anything that isn’t in the Bible…

Dork B. on July 30, 2007 at 10:08 PM

Extremists fly planes into buildings. Extremists aren’t those who suggest that an institution that’s remained unchanged for most of recorded history maybe ought to stay that way. But then, you’re just an extremist who is intolerant of traditional values. See how that works? You P.C. Generation X extremist, you.

God, I love irony.

And don’t get me started on “tolerant.” That’s worse than “extremism.” The only people who use that word use it right before they show somebody else no tolerance at all. 100% of the time. And I have no tolerance for that.

Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:31 PM

Sorry Professor but RELIGIOUS TERRORISTS flew planes into buildings. Religious extremists like yourself want to dictate the rule of the land by the word of God. Kinda like the jihadis, no?

Last I checked us crazy “extremist” constitutionalists want to see church separated from state. We think that the constitution should, as you say “remained unchanged for…. recorded history…. to stay that way.” Geez, I love facts.

As for tolerance, we in the GOP have “tolerated” you religious nuts hijacking this party long enough, so yes, in that regard, I am highly intolerant of where you stand, as were the voters in 2006 and no doubt will be in 2008.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 10:20 PM

If all publicity is good — why isn’t Hillary doing a Penthouse spread? I’m sure Larry would be interested.

Blake on July 30, 2007 at 10:21 AM

QUICK, WHERE’S THE BRAIN BLEACH??????????

NightmareOnKStreet on July 30, 2007 at 10:27 PM

Somehow I rather doubt you’re a Republican, as you present arguments more in line with DailyKos, or HuffPo.

jdawg on July 30, 2007 at 9:58 PM

Sorry bub, but this ain’t the 700 Club. This site draws atheists and libertarians like myself who are anxious to get this party back to it’s WINNING ways- you had your chance in ’06 and Iraq and f*cked it up. Time to take this party back from the evangelicals and fellow voodoo followers who have dragged it such low depths, and with people like AP, Hitchens and myself at the helm the tide is starting to turn. Feel free to bail at any time there, Morel Orel.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 10:33 PM

Some of you know better than to get tangled up in trying to reason with a Hyper-troll like ‘sinner’; the rest of you SHOULD know better

Look at the way it writes: rushed and rambling at the same time, always sounding out of breath, poorly reasoned ( that’s putting it mildly ), throwing YouTube-ish insults and barely able to rise above ad hominem arguments

Adults should not waste time this………….

Janos Hunyadi on July 30, 2007 at 11:23 PM

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 10:33 PM

AllahPundit, I think that we’ve FINALLY found someone that wants to talk about gay RIGHTS.

Mr. Sinner, maybe the nice Mr. AllahPundit can get you and audience with the Secretary General of the United Nations now. And as for me, I apologize for thinking that this thread was about pinky/potty-mouths’ insistence on Republican participation in the CNN YouTube debates. How silly of me. I am SO confused. OF COURSE, we ALL need to be talking about gay RIGHTS. After all, there are more gays than YouTubers anyhow, right? And most of those gays vote Republican, after all, don’t they?

(Professor Blather, is your sarcasm meter registering yet?)

CyberCipher on July 30, 2007 at 11:30 PM

Seriously, if her and her kind cannot figure out which side to support, then she has other problems. Anyone who cannot see that this country is headed for something so large and dividing, I don’t want them to vote.

rightside on July 30, 2007 at 11:55 PM

Oh noes! You alienated the ENTIRE population of YouTube… all 187,000 twelve-year olds, and about five thousand adults actually registered to vote.

big

friggin’

deal

SilverStar830 on July 31, 2007 at 12:03 AM

Ok, Fred should hire her.

- The Cat

MirCat on July 31, 2007 at 12:40 AM

The “YouTube” demographic is about as close as you can get to the “attention whore” demographic.

This “debate” isn’t about the candidates or the country, it’s about advertising for YouTube and the egos of the questioners.

Duh.

Merovign on July 31, 2007 at 12:47 AM

Ok, I get her deal. Appearently she was a major player in the youtube debate thingy deal.

- The Cat

MirCat on July 31, 2007 at 12:49 AM

What a snotty sourpuss she is. Do Teddy Bears get Coyote Syndrome?

petefrt on July 31, 2007 at 1:49 AM

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 10:33 PM

Nah, you’re no Republican. You talk like a Kossack, you use the same inflammatory language as a HuffPo, and your views are more in line with the hateful left than the GOP. I always believed that if it talks like a ducks and walks like a duck, it’s a duck.

Bub, you are no Republican. Stop trying trying to make us all think you are. You’re just another hateful, deceitful, lying liberal democrat, and you ought to go back to where you belong – Kos, DU or HuffPo.

jdawg on July 31, 2007 at 2:09 AM

Mitch Romley ’08!

Too bad she won’t get an answer.

Big S on July 31, 2007 at 2:22 AM

So what? We have to deal with the hand we’re dealt and it doesn’t do any good to weep about how bad it is.

student on July 30, 2007 at 7:43 PM

Even if you don’t realize it, you are a liberal, Mr. Weak and Helpless and Don’t Rage Against the Machine Because They May Not Like Us

peacenprosperity on July 31, 2007 at 7:36 AM

You know,,, why a single Republican has not taken advantage of this I do not understand. Hasn’t anyone made the obvious statement that they would be happy to go on YouTube right after the Dems go on a Fox debate??? Maybe it has been said but Zi just haven’t heard it. Everyone already knows what the questions for Republicans are going to be. CNN will only allow the same old questions,,”Do you want to see Scooter in prison as much as we do? Do you think Bush is stupid and hate him as much as we do?” The Dems will get “How hard has it been to watch your country suffer under Republican rule? When did you first realize that God called you to save and care for the poor?” The Democrats are such easy targets but it just seems the Republicans are so stupid and lazy! Why aren’t they out there on the attack??!! It is the same old stupid story! It goes on and on and on! I do not think it has ever been easier to make a distinction between dumb and smart,, patriot and traitor,, good and evil,, than it is today! I am also tired of the argument that the Dems are these tough smart fighters,,,,, I just don’t see it,,, there hasn’t been a real fight about ideas between the Republicans and the Democrats in years and years! Screw the “Clinton War Room.” They don’t even need a War Room! I don’t think we know how tough the Dems really are,,, they have had so much just handed over to them for so long,, their stupid insane comments go largely unchallenged except by talk radio! In a slight twist on a Churchill quote,, I would sum up this race so far “never has so much been given up so easliy to so few!”

JellyToast on July 31, 2007 at 8:01 AM

Hello! Hello! Like, this twit may have an important question to ask Mr. Romney! Like, I mean, how can anyone seriously turn down a twit like this! Like, this twit will now cry to her stuffed teddy bear because, like, she’s really hurt. OK! Time to get to the fair!

lynnv on July 31, 2007 at 8:28 AM

So what? We have to deal with the hand we’re dealt and it doesn’t do any good to weep about how bad it is.

student on July 30, 2007 at 7:43 PM

Even if you don’t realize it, you are a liberal, Mr. Weak and Helpless and Don’t Rage Against the Machine Because They May Not Like Us

peacenprosperity on July 31, 2007 at 7:36 AM

I don’t understand this. I say we have to fight with what we have and you say that we should just walk away because the liberal MSM has too much control. How does that make me “Mr. Weak and Helpless?”

More worrisome is your stubborn refusal to admit even the possibility that another view might have merit. Michelle and Patrick Ruffini, among others, believe that the Republicans should attend the YouTube debate. Does that make them liberals? Weak and helpless? The problem with demonizing any opinion that’s not congruent with your own, even when, as here, there is obviously room for disagreement, is that you risk getting stuck in an echo chamber where you never hear opinions other than your own and finally come to believe your own fantasies.

student on July 31, 2007 at 9:03 AM

Came back to this link to see what Sinner had to say last night. I fell into one of my few lib synapses a week or so ago and called him a goofy twit. Sorry again.
Strong rage from, by his words, a recovering Catholic, speaks volumns. I’ll cut him some slack from now on, but Sinner, you could probably vent about your issues in a different venue.

captivated_dem on July 31, 2007 at 9:12 AM

Okay, way too many here are interested in the perkies and not her mind (hell, even just her face – ewww).
Her mind?

- The first thing out of her mouth was a lie. She is not undecided.
- Her voice was dripping in condescension to her listeners.
- She chose her wardrobe.
- YouTube is named after BoobTube. It’s all about the perkies.

pedestrian on July 30, 2007 at 5:53 PM

I know I know, I’m right there with you on your points…it was just too much for me to handle all this talk about how cute she is, despite her mental deformities.

My problem with it was that I don’t think she’s cute at all, because of her face and mind. You know, the whole package thing?

So…it’s back to the perkies again. Ugh.

Miss_Anthrope on July 31, 2007 at 9:37 AM

Sorry Professor but RELIGIOUS TERRORISTS flew planes into buildings. Religious extremists like yourself want to dictate the rule of the land by the word of God. Kinda like the jihadis, no?

Last I checked us crazy “extremist” constitutionalists want to see church separated from state. We think that the constitution should, as you say “remained unchanged for…. recorded history…. to stay that way.” Geez, I love facts.

As for tolerance, we in the GOP have “tolerated” you religious nuts hijacking this party long enough, so yes, in that regard, I am highly intolerant of where you stand, as were the voters in 2006 and no doubt will be in 2008.

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 10:20 PM

You’re cute! And you just proved my point splendidly!

I’m a “religious extremist,” huh? Hilarious. I can count the number of times I’ve been to church this year on one finger. Well, make that two: some nice extremist friends invited us to a cool 4th of July deal at their church. Baptists, too! Now them’s some extremists.

I’m about as religious as you are intelligent. In other words, not very. If you had any idea how funny your remarks are, you’d be feeling awful sheepish (to go with your sheep-like exterior).

“Geez, I love facts,” you say. :) Apparently not so much, my amusing young friend.

And although I was just being silly in my prior post, it turns out my joke was right: you really *are* an extremist. You sincerely believe that nobody could support traditional marriage based on simple historical, cultural, and constitutional analysis.

You really are cute. I especially love your atrocious historical knowledge. If you think the modern interpretation of the separation of church and state existed in the late 18th century – well, you’re a tad confused and woefully historically inept. You’re apparently unaware of even 20th century history: that phrase that you think originates in the constitution has its earliest origins (according to some) in the 19th century, was never used by the courts until the LATE 19th century, and wasn’t applied in the way you think it was until 1947.

If you really think constitutional interpretation on the issue constitution should “remained unchanged for …recorded history” then you must be in favor of teaching and reading the Bible in public schools. That is, after all, how it was for most of our history.

Be honest, son: are you over the age of 15? I guessing – and hoping – not, if that is your understanding of history.

And now a final irony of ironies, my ironical little ironicist: if you’d actually asked rather then telling me (and all of us) what my views are, you’d find I pretty much agree with everything you said, anyway.

Except that unlike you, I’m sincerely tolerant and respectful of the more traditionally religious members of the conservative movement.

In short, you got every … single … statement of fact in your post wrong. The history, the statements of law, the descriptions of my beliefs … every bit of it.

That’s impressive, kid.

And, yup, you really are an extremist, aren’t you? Of course, as others have noted, you aren’t remotely conservative – just a dingy teenage moonbat out for troll stroll.

But I can’t thank you enough for my morning giggle. Your kind of stupid takes years to achieve but you’ve apparently mastered it. Bravo!

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 9:38 AM

(Professor Blather, is your sarcasm meter registering yet?)

CyberCipher on July 30, 2007 at 11:30 PM

Just a tad :)

But this kid is so cute! He’s the funniest troll I’ve seen here in a while. He should head over to Ace’s place – Ace needs some good new trolls.

I’ve been sitting here laughing so hard at his post to me that I’m actually crying.

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 9:44 AM

Prof. Blather -

As an agnostic and big-league Conservative, I am tired of explaining the religious differences between Islam and Christianity!!! Islam has killed more people in the past four years than 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition.

I don’t think Sinner understands that. But anyone who reads the religious influence of Islam cannot help but notice a difference, unless they live in denial.

Sinner –

I grew up in the Bible belt, and you are not familiar with true Christian ‘fanaticism’ in California. Christianity’s bigger & much more prevalent in the South than anywhere in the US, and nobody EVER committed a violent act towards me when they learned of my faith (or lack thereof).

If they were as violent as Muslims, there would no allowance for people like you & me. There are many relions and secular groups flourishing in the South, despite the belief of Christianity’s violence.

Even the ‘racist’ claims don’t hold water, when you account for 70% of Blacks still in the South, as well as all the elected officials – mayors, police chiefs, legislators – who were first elected in Southern cities. Most Blacks in the South tend to be followers of the Christian faith.

I recommend some serious comparisons of the New Testament to the Quran if you want to discuss this issue with any authority. You think you know your religion, but compare the guidance of Christians to the book that guides Muslims. It’s an eye-opener.

Miss_Anthrope on July 31, 2007 at 10:00 AM

Clearly an attack on Mitt Romney.

I’m not Mormon or Republican, but as a Moderate Democrat, I can’t help but be impressed with the Romney family.

The Romney’s “appear” to be a class act. Something that Americans are looking for to be in The White House. Just an observation.

DfDeportation on July 31, 2007 at 11:47 AM

I’d do ‘er! Doesn’t she hang out with Paris and Lindsay at all of those nightclub charity events?

DfDeportation on July 31, 2007 at 11:51 AM

The “Blank Slate” responds.

Did y’all know you were bigoted against white girls?

CourtZero on July 31, 2007 at 12:19 PM

CourtZero on July 31, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Let’s call her a “wah”mbulance…

jdawg on July 31, 2007 at 12:27 PM

The Sinner on July 30, 2007 at 8:10 PM

You mean the homosexual priest scandle.

Harpoon on July 31, 2007 at 12:31 PM

I love this:

So Chickenhawks over at Hot Air, what were you
doing at twenty-three?

At 23, I had spent 5 years in the USMC, spent a year in Okinawa, 6 months in Norway, and was raising a young daughter.

This chick is such a pathetic loser. Gets caught, then whines about it.

jdawg on July 31, 2007 at 12:39 PM

And, she’s using this episode to drive traffic to her otherwise unknown web site. Even more pathetic.

jdawg on July 31, 2007 at 12:49 PM

The “Blank Slate” responds.

Did y’all know you were bigoted against white girls?

CourtZero on July 31, 2007 at 12:19 PM

I’m strangely hurt that she didn’t even mention my comments. That’s not very nice. Like, totally.

Jenna, hon, I actually went to your site. But irony of ironies, just as you have to register at YouTube (for free, by the way, you seem a little confused on that point …), you also have to register to comment on your blithering blather.

And I’m lazy. Sorry. I desperately wanted to engage in some meaningful rhetorical interaction with you. Like, fer shure.

A couple news flashes for you, hon. First, if you actually looked around this site, you’ll find that the one thing few people here were doing at 23 was spouting off on subjects they know exactly nothing about, while frothing fluffily on a bed of fluff toys and wearing a boob tube. (Yes, we know it’s not a boob tube. But it’s fun to say. Try it out. You’ll giggle and toss your hair, I promise). Personally, I was flying on reconnaissance crew over war torn Bosnia on my 23rd birthday. Not a teddy bear in sight! (And I’d just voted for Bill Clinton … which proves my point that youth equals ignorance).

But here’s the second news flash and I hope you’ll give it a whirl. Here’s the deal: make sure you save a copy of your little, like, performance, like, okay?

Save it for 20 years.

And then, when you’ve experienced a little of life and gained a bit of maturity … watch yourself at 23.

You’ll laugh your empty little head off. I promise. When you see that in 20 years, you’ll understand exactly why we thought it was so funny. I’ll even pinky promise on it and we can be BFF’s, mmm-kay?

A final thought: if you’re going to spout off on the ‘net, you’ll need a thicker skin (and some decent clothes). I noted in your rant that you only picked out the negative comments – and you only picked out the easy ones to attack. (You’ll have to forgive “Blake.” He’s probably 23. You know how they are.)

Obviously, you did that because you are lying about being non-partisan. Like, totally. You just want to score partisan points. Fair enough. As for the comments on your appearance (though you missed most were obviously tongue-in-cheek) … what exactly did you think would happen when you chose that particular mode of dress? C’mon, woman: Hillary Clinton showed a little cleavage and got the whole world atwitter over it. Stupid? Yes. But it’s time to join us here on planet Earth in the 21st century if you were really surprised that your breasts became part of the focus.

But setting aside that particularly perky bit of your perkiness, you also entirely avoided any substantive debate. Many of us argued – for and against – the points you made. Instead of take the easy road and attack folks like Blake … why not address those discussions? Those supporting you, and those in disagreement?

The truth is – we gave you the biggest audience you’ll ever have. And if you actually read this thread, you’ll see that you sparked a wide-ranging substantive debate.

The fact that you took the low road and extracted only what you wanted to ironically proves the very point that you’re contesting: its a sign of your age and lacking maturity.

In fact, Allahpundit himself unequivocally noted that you made some good points. No, not those points, girl. Get your mind out the gutter.

Actually, I thought Ms. Perky raised some valid points…not that I believe for a minute that she was a “blank slate”.

Agreed.

Allahpundit on July 30, 2007 at 8:32 AM

So, Barbie-doll, instead of running off predictably to your partisan echo chamber and try to score the usual he said/she said brownie points … why didn’t you just hop in here and argue right along with us?

It could have been fun. You could have contributed. You could have even persuaded those of us who disagree with you.

The bottom line is that we laugh because we know that was never your intention: your intention was to do exactly what you ended up doing.

Too bad.

If you decide to, like, drop the faux outrage and the wounded little girl bit and actually join the discussion, this post might be a good place to start. This fellow seemed to take you seriously and agree with most of your comments.

Like, totally. And remember our pinky promise, mmm-kay?

The candidates are going to have to deal with unorthodox questions on the campaign trail. I thought it was very revealing when Biden got the gun question and he, with the rest of the Democrat debaters chuckling in agreement in the background, started making fun of the questioner.

I agree that the debate is going to be unseemly and believe it will be chock-full of liberal bias. CNN will probably use the debate to undermine the Republican candidates by asking vicious, unfair questions. I would not at all be surprised to see Truther questions asked of Republican candidates; CNN would never allow their anchors to ask the questions (because that would just be too obvious), but here they can hide behind the YouTube mask — “oh, we didn’t ask the question, the guy in the snowman suit did!”

But if Republicans are going to maintain the high ground, we absolutely have to do this debate. Two reasons. (1) The old maxim “he who lives in a glass house should not thrown stones” — we can’t be hypocritical. (2) If we decline the debate, everyone will draw comparisons between the YouTube debate and the FoxNews debate that the Democrats ditched. I’m sorry, but there is NOT a valid comparison between Brit Hume, Chris Wallace and that third FNC questioner from the GOP debate and the leftist crazy YouTubers. However, liberals will be all too happy to compare a serious FoxNews debate to the guy in the snowman suit, because it’s a long term strategy of the liberals and Democrats to undermine the legitimacy of FoxNews.

Outlander on July 30, 2007 at 8:52 AM

P.S. HEY! I forgot to ask: how were those pony rides?

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 1:43 PM

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 1:43 PM

That was beautiful. (sniff)

Guardian on July 31, 2007 at 1:54 PM

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 1:43 PM

Wow. Giving blather a more positive connotation.

“In semiotics, connotation arises when the denotative relationship between a signifier and its signified is inadequate to serve the needs of the community…..”

I don’t know what that means.

captivated_dem on July 31, 2007 at 2:22 PM

The problem with demonizing any opinion that’s not congruent with your own, even when, as here, there is obviously room for disagreement, is that you risk getting stuck in an echo chamber where you never hear opinions other than your own and finally come to believe your own fantasies.

student on July 31, 2007 at 9:03 AM

Keep digging that hole.

peacenprosperity on July 31, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 9:38 AM

I don’t even know where to start with this jerk-off. He sounds like someone trying waaaaay too hard to convince himself he is right, when deep down he knows he’s not. And for the record when did I ever defend that pre-medieval, barbaric religion called Islam? I agree that radical Islam is our biggest threat today, because unlike Christianity, it never evolved past 700 A.D. So yes, Christianity is better than Islam, but it’s still nothing to crow about, as many many molested altar boys and disowned gay teens would be glad to tell ya. But captivated-dem is right, this is a fight for another thread, so I’ll tear ya all apart another time!

The Sinner on July 31, 2007 at 4:20 PM

I agree that radical Islam is our biggest threat today, because unlike Christianity, it never evolved past 700 A.D. So yes, Christianity is better than Islam, but it’s still nothing to crow about, as many many molested altar boys and disowned gay teens would be glad to tell ya. But captivated-dem is right, this is a fight for another thread, so I’ll tear ya all apart another time!

The Sinner on July 31, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Yours is truly a dizzying intellect.

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 4:27 PM

You mean the homosexual priest scandle.

Harpoon on July 31, 2007 at 12:31 PM

Riiiiiight, because no HETEROSEXUAL has ever committed a sex crime, ever! Must be them pesky gays!

The Sinner on July 31, 2007 at 4:29 PM

The Sinner on July 31, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Your obsession with sex, especially homosexual sex, and youngsters, is somewhat troubling. Please, go find another place to drool, er, post.

jdawg on July 31, 2007 at 4:32 PM

jdawg on July 31, 2007 at 4:32 PM

Yes, because I single-handedly started the Catholic Church child abuse crisis, yes, I can see how that is troubling to you. Like I said, I am through discussing that for now. Feel free to go back to demeaning and ogling this young girl’s goodies and doing whatever it is you are doing to yourself under your desk, “dawg”. Sorry to interrupt.

The Sinner on July 31, 2007 at 4:49 PM

The Sinner on July 31, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Your obsession with sex and the Catholic Church is also troubling.

Might I suggest you slither on back over to the fever swamps of Kos or HuffPo.

Troll.

jdawg on July 31, 2007 at 4:54 PM

When Republicans Attack: Malkinites Slander 23 Year Old Girl

THIS qualifies as “Political News?”
Well, maybe the “Girl” part is correct, since the generally accepted term for an adult would be “Woman” wouldn’t it?

I won’t try to defend all the comments here on this thread. Like AllahPundit says, some of us are just “mean” I guess. Even so, at least the mean people here didn’t misrepresent themselves or hide their agenda. You, however, (MelissaJenna — or whatever your name is) are a fraud and a deceiver. You misrepresented 1) who you are, 2) your motivation for asking questions, and 3) what you intended to use people’s responses for.

So, go ahead, keep it up. I predict that you’ll make a SPLENDID MSM journalist or maybe even a politician some day.

CyberCipher on July 31, 2007 at 7:58 PM

BTW, you don’t suppose that we are actually looking at Hillary 2048, do you? Maybe somebody should ask MelissaJenna if she considers herself a “compassionate misanthrope,” ya’ think?

My collie says:

Why don’t you ask her if she hates her father?

CyberCipher on July 31, 2007 at 8:22 PM

yea. hate to say it, but ms. perky is right. She’s ineloquent, but she’s right.

Jewels on July 31, 2007 at 11:29 PM

Watched this again just for the fun. I wonder if she was irritated when the Dems alienated a lot of people by snubbing the Fox debate? She was a blank slate then, too, , right?? I agree the Republicans might as well have done this. As I said before, they are just going to be asked the same old stupid questions they always are. As idiotic as this whole thing is, I imagine that, in future debates, they will be asked questions about why they were afraid to go on YouTube and face “the people.”

JellyToast on August 1, 2007 at 7:38 AM

The YouTube Twit furthers my point as to why there should definitely be an IQ test before allowing anyone to vote.

lynnv on August 1, 2007 at 10:44 AM

lynnv on August 1, 2007 at 10:44 AM

I would go one step further – there should be a basic civics exam. Questions like, who is the current President, vice president, etc. Today’s “yoots” don’t know squat about how our gov’t works. For that matter, neither do most adults.

jdawg on August 1, 2007 at 11:11 AM

Twenty-something and apparently still not graduated from high school…. what a shame….

CrazyFool on August 1, 2007 at 11:54 AM

CrazyFool on August 1, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Not quite in high school yet…

jdawg on August 1, 2007 at 12:28 PM

Wow, I haven’t looked at this thread for a couple of days. It seems Ms. Perkies is obsessed with me. Again, it is the 20 dumbthings that pretend that they are some big voting powerhouse but never vote. Accept your generation’s apathy and don’t blame it on me, Perks.

Blake on August 1, 2007 at 8:54 PM

I think she’s cute

Baphomet on August 1, 2007 at 8:58 PM

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 9:38 AM

and

Professor Blather on July 31, 2007 at 1:43 PM

If I were a woman, Professor, I’d want to have your baby.

p.v. cornelius on August 1, 2007 at 11:05 PM

But captivated-dem is right, this is a fight for another thread, so I’ll tear ya all apart another time!

The Sinner on July 31, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Just remember not to bring a knife to a… well, you know.

p.v. cornelius on August 1, 2007 at 11:09 PM

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