If it wasn’t for Chris Matthews, this moron would be the biggest disgrace on the airwaves. The ignorance of the neo-libs is becoming more nasueating by the minute. Olby keeps reinforcing the fact that his double digit IQ is high enough to keep him on MSNBC. At least his IQ is higher than his ratings.

volsense on July 29, 2007 at 7:43 PM

Olberman. That guy still has a show? I thought MSNBC had replaced him with another one of their compelling “World’s Toughest Prisons” specials.

John from OPFOR on July 29, 2007 at 7:51 PM

Surreal

EnochCain on July 29, 2007 at 7:52 PM

Another new low from the brainless one… if that idiot goes any lower he’ll re-surface in China.

Zorro on July 29, 2007 at 7:57 PM

As for his ratings, it seems even the nutroots don’t even watch this trollish tool.

bbz123 on July 29, 2007 at 8:03 PM

I think Michelle needs to add a few more adjectives to the title of her book.

Slublog on July 29, 2007 at 8:03 PM

That’s not funny. It’s ammunition for left wing nutjobs.

Laura on July 29, 2007 at 8:03 PM

Allow me to be more explicit then: if Bush and/or our right wing military are killing those that publicly disagree with them, why wouldn’t the start with those who openly defy and oppose them (e.g. the likes of Mr. Olbermann) rather than those who were only rumored to be in opposition to their policies?

Citizen Duck on July 29, 2007 at 8:07 PM

If I was a member of that patrol that was involved in this I would sue Olby and Kos for slander.

They are implying these guys committed murder. If you have the balls to stand by that claim Olby then you shouldnt be afraid of a little lawsuit ?

Or will you run crying like a little baby screaming “Its my first admendment rights of free speech to slander the troops !”

William Amos on July 29, 2007 at 8:11 PM

Nothing new. The birth of this conspiracy theory was uncovered by WorldNetDaily:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56895

Just like the old telephone game - starts out as one thing and ends up as another.

JinxMcHue on July 29, 2007 at 8:22 PM

OLBY must have visited the CLINTON BODY COUNT PAGE and has now decided to start a similar site for “W”.
Nice try dooshy.

shooter on July 29, 2007 at 8:22 PM

What a revolting loathsome little p*ssant. Why would a major journalistic organization like MSNBC allow this pathetic impotent toady keep his job. I know MSNBC is a socialist propaganda outlet, but this kind of conspiracy idiocy belongs in the margins of society, not on a major cable news network.
Shame on MSNBC!!

DeathB4Tyranny on July 29, 2007 at 8:28 PM

Or it could be that Olbie is a transgender pedophile dog torturing and raping fiend who also tried to murder his own mother 6 times with a meat clever.

drjohn on July 29, 2007 at 7:52 PM

Hope you don’t mind.

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 8:34 PM

..Why would a major minor journalistic organization orgasm like MSNBC allow this pathetic impotent toady pathogen keep his job hobby…
DeathB4Tyranny on July 29, 2007 at 8:28 PM

There fixed that for you.

Hope you don’t mind.

Mcguyver on July 29, 2007 at 8:39 PM

So, is Olby a poisoning, pedophilic animal abuser, or not?

profitsbeard on July 29, 2007 at 8:37 PM

Well we just do not really know, now do we?

There needs to be a full scale investigation.

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 8:43 PM

Bush has to be the smartest, most devious, inarticulate, retarded moron of a President we have ever had, according to the Left.

Neo on July 29, 2007 at 8:45 PM

MSNBC?
Olberman?

On-my-soap-box on July 29, 2007 at 8:43 PM

A high school biology experiment gone terrible wrong?

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 8:47 PM

MB4-

Of course, we have to keep our minds open to any and all possbilities, but, from here, it appears to look bad from Mr. Olberman.

I’m not saying he did or did not intentionally give toxic blowfish livers to geriatric invalids, or even that knew the theoretically-downloaded kiddie porn was illegal, and maybe the fishtank belonged to a relative, and he was just “holding it for them” (as Lindsay Lohann was just “holding” the cocaine found in her pocket for “someone else”_, but I’d have to concur: a full-scale, honest, open and thorough investigation …of even the possiblity that any of these allegation might be true… should be convened immediately.

How else are we to rest?

profitsbeard on July 29, 2007 at 8:49 PM

Will also ask any lawyers on the blog.

Could say even Beauchamps fellow soldiers sue him and TNR ? They also printed false stories implying crimes.

I would love also to see MSNBC sued for even airing that.

William Amos on July 29, 2007 at 8:52 PM

The worst thing about the Left’s concept of free speech is that the right doesn’t carry responsibilities, like unbiased news reporting or honest commentary. Unless you oppose certain lifestyles for personal religious/spiritual reasons, et. al.

Imagine the hell life is, being liberal. When nothing comes along while they’re sitting around waiting to be offended, they feel compelled to go fishing for something. There’s always some new ’cause’, there’s always a naysayer to be purged or a ‘revisionist’ to be re-educated. I guess people who are angry all the time need to live that way.

Just airing the notion…

Liam on July 29, 2007 at 8:54 PM

Typical that one of the only posts on HotAir about Pat Tillman would really be an excuse to (admittedly) exaggerate a question by Keith Olbermann. When you’re looking at a death, and especially one as suspicious as Tillman’s, you ask certain questions, possible motives is one of those questions.

We know Tillman’s actual cause of death had been covered up before you can’t blame people for being skeptical. And now with the revelation that he was killed by 3 close grouped shots to the head from no more than 10 meters away only heightens the suspicion. Is Tillman’s death being covered up to a larger degree? If he was murdered why was he murdered? The title of this thread and ensuing drivel in the body of the post only serves to discredit you.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 9:02 PM

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 9:02 PM

Olbermann, and you if you follow him, is the one who has gone off the deep end into laa-laa land.

No one here is saying that Tillman’s death should not be investigated further.

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 9:10 PM

Is Nonfactor Keith Olberman?

Just thought I’d air it.

Because he seems to uncritically believe the Olby allegations without any proof.

Who said “ten meters”? The Olberman line-feeder guest. If you fire a fully auto M-16, from 30 or 300 feet, three rounds would naturally be in a tight pattern if you’re a stable shooter.

Supposedly Tillman was standing and waving and shouting, but was mistaken for an unfriendly.

Good shooting, but bad judgment/eyesight, seems to be the case.

Then embarassment by the friendly who accidentally hit Tillman, and then their stupidity in trying to cover the mess up.

If the fellow soldier had just been saddened and mortified, and the Army reported it as “friendly fire” immediately, it would have all been over the next day.

Just tell the truth.

It would put Olberumormonger out of business.

profitsbeard on July 29, 2007 at 9:16 PM

Actually, that’s overstating it: He thinks it might have been Bush or our right-wing military acting of its own accord.

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 9:18 PM

He doesn’t even think it might be Bush. He questions whether or not the motive for Tillman’s possible murder were his political or religious views. A sensible question.

Because he seems to uncritically believe the Olby allegations without any proof.

A fallacy and you know it. With Tillman there is evidence to suggest that he was murdered and the public and Tillman’s family have already been lied to. Ignoring those facts via inventing some BS analogy you think is witty doesn’t change any of the facts.

Good shooting, but bad judgment/eyesight, seems to be the case.

profitsbeard on July 29, 2007 at 9:16 PM

The medical examiner didn’t seem to think so, otherwise there would be no investigation. You have to admit that it is at least a possibility that he was knowingly murdered just as I admit it is a possibility that he was killed unwittingly.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 9:25 PM

I do find one thing interesting though… remember how the left hated us holding up Tillman as a hero for giving up his lucrative NFL career to fight for his country…

RightWinged on July 29, 2007 at 9:27 PM

And remember when you ignored him the second you realized he was a left-wing nutjob? Good times. Listen to his mother talk about being lied to by the President and the military and realize that Tillman isn’t a banner to be held you by you or the left. His family deserves answers, they’ve been lied to before and the military burned his journals. It shouldn’t be a political issue, and it isn’t.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 9:31 PM

And now with the revelation that he was killed by 3 close grouped shots to the head from no more than 10 meters away only heightens the suspicion.

What exactly is the evidence for this “revelation?”

I’ve heard this repeated ad nauseum ad infinitum on blogs and in the MSM - it’s now being stated as unchallenged fact.

How was this “revelation” determined? How do they know this? Is this based solely on the grouping?

Anybody know? I’m not necessarily disputing it - but I’ve learned to ask questions when the MSM starts tossing around “facts” without explaining the support.

And I can’t figure out how exactly they could know this. There’s no gunshot residue at that distance. There couldn’t be any trajectory data.

Anybody know how they claim to know this?

Professor Blather on July 29, 2007 at 9:31 PM

And remember when you ignored him the second you realized he was a left-wing nutjob? Good times. Listen to his mother talk about being lied to by the President and the military and realize that Tillman isn’t a banner to be held you by you or the left. His family deserves answers, they’ve been lied to before and the military burned his journals. It shouldn’t be a political issue, and it isn’t.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 9:31 PM

Speaking of evidence … can you point to the post where RightWinged - or ANY poster here - stated they were “ignoring Tillman” because they thought he was a “left wing nutjob?

I hope you have support for that comment.

I’d wager, instead, that you’re again just lying - and that Rightwinged shares my opinion that Tillman was a hero, period. No matter who he voted for.

Professor Blather on July 29, 2007 at 9:34 PM

Olbermann didn’t suggest the administration had Tillman killed, didn’t even question it;

He didn’t? Olby’s verbatim quote, minus the quotation from Tillman himself, which I’ve snipped:

Corporal Tillman held a number of personal views that were unpopular within the context of the Bush administration. Perhaps also within the Army. He reportedly favored John Kerry in that election that year, we know he opposed the invasion of Iraq, he thought it illegal, he had plans to meet with Noam Chomsky…[Tillman yelling at soldier]…Explain how all of those details intensify the need for openness here that we’re not getting.

He’s very clearly implying that Tillman’s opposition to Bush’s polices might have been a factor in his death and he’s also very clearly implying that it’s the administration that would be the prime culprit (note that his mention of the Army is only an afterthought). And just as you say in your own snotty little way that it’s “typical” of Hot Air to focus on Tillman only vis-a-vis Olby, it’s typical of you to ignore the plain meaning of what he was saying.

Allahpundit on July 29, 2007 at 9:38 PM

That tool has the nerve to bash someone for using a troopers death to further his political agenda. Both he and olbermann are furthering their political agenda with Pat’s death.

csdeven on July 29, 2007 at 9:45 PM

just as no one can say with certitude that there is not going to be an 8 on the richter scale with it’s epicenter right where you are in the next 5 minutes.

Reasonable threshold Nonfactor, think reasonable threshold.

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 9:43 PM

I responded to an exaggeration like this previously. I quote: A fallacy and you know it. With Tillman there is evidence to suggest that he was murdered and the public and Tillman’s family have already been lied to. Ignoring those facts via inventing some BS analogy you think is witty doesn’t change any of the facts.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 9:48 PM

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 9:43 PM

If you want to walk that line, how can you say without 100.0000000% certaintity that we’re not all just coppertops living in goo-filled chambers existing in a mind-controlled fantasy world Matrix serving robot overlords while being fed reconstituted dead people?

…gimme a break pal

SilverStar830 on July 29, 2007 at 9:53 PM

Here are a few more stories on the subject you might want to check out.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 10:00 PM

HotAir didn’t ignore Tillman?

He was killed two years before the site started. I haven’t followed the investigation into his death, although I have of course followed the investigation into Haditha, so I’m not sure why it would be “typical” of us to ignore the Tillman case.

Yes, but this in no way means that the Bush administration had Tillman killed. If I hold unpopular views within the context of the KKK and I turn up dead it doesn’t mean the KKK killed me, it might mean that someone who agrees with ideas in the KKK killed me. Get it?

Yes, and I acknowledged that possibility in the opening line. But now imagine there’s a commentator out there who specializes in lambasting the KKK. Night after night, for upwards of a full hour, he devotes his program to chronicling the group’s crimes, both real and imagined. Finally, you, a known KKK critic, turn up dead, and he notes pointedly on his show that your views were unpopular “within the context of the KKK.” You think he’d be implying that a Klan sympathizer had taken you out? I don’t think so.

Allahpundit on July 29, 2007 at 10:02 PM

“…unpopular within the context of the Bush administration…”

Douche

What, exactly, the **** does that mean, in an English grammar sense? Does the Bush administration have a “context”?

Jaibones on July 29, 2007 at 10:05 PM

Solipsism at it’s worst best.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 10:01 PM

I’m not sure if I should take that as an insult or a compliment

:/

SilverStar830 on July 29, 2007 at 10:10 PM

A couple things seen oddly out of place about the Pat Tillman episode. One is that he abruply left a lucrative carreer in the NFL and the other is according to the reports Tillman was an Army Ranger wouldn’t he be on a mission with other Army Rangers? If that is the case then whats with the quote of his partner crying and huggung the ground at Pats side. This is the behavior of an Army Ranger?!? I call BS on that one. There are two official stories. The first was designed to promote Tillman as a hero thus giving credence to his Silver Star award. The same soldier credited with the original ground hugging story has changed it. Now the grouping of entry wounds on Tillman’s forehead is giving rise to every sort of Oliver Stone scenario. Olby guest Jon Soltz has contractors in Iraq being burned at the stake. He makes reference to Vietnam and the “torture’ of POW’s in Iraq. He does all this while answering the question of how will this effect recruiting efforts by the military. This was obviously an effort to influence the decision of potiential new recruits. What kind of outfit is votevets.org anyway. Did I need to ask that last question?

sonnyspats1 on July 29, 2007 at 10:10 PM

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 9:43 PM

SilverStar830 on July 29, 2007 at 9:53 PM

I must admit that I had never thought of that possibility before.

I will have to consult with Mister Spock on that one.

Mr Spock says that there is 1 chance in 1,564,098,054 of that, approximately of course.

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 10:15 PM

And remember when you ignored him the second you realized he was a left-wing nutjob? Good times. Listen to his mother talk about being lied to by the President and the military and realize that Tillman isn’t a banner to be held you by you or the left. His family deserves answers, they’ve been lied to before and the military burned his journals. It shouldn’t be a political issue, and it isn’t.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 9:31 PM

Nope, never realized he was a “left-wing nutjob” at all. As someone else stated, he was a hero for doing what he didn’t have to do, plain and simple.

I’m not necessarily sure I buy all the Chomsky and “f-ing illegal war” comments, considering we’re getting them from (justifiably) angry friends and family, not from he himself. You might think Casey Sheehan had something against the war too if you hadn’t been paying attention.

But none of that matters. As I said, Tillman was a hero based on giving up the life he could have had to go fight. Whether I buy the left-wing stuff as much as it’s been blown up or not, doesn’t change that at all.

I don’t recall this conversation at Expose the Left in which you claim I said something, though if you can surprise me with a link, I’ll entertain the idea.

But as always, this is a total diversion (WHAT!? Nonfactor diverting the issue!? Unheard of!). The point that you lefties made a 180 stands. We never turned on Tillman. Your side hated him and treated him like an idiot for being the hero he was. Remember Rall’s cartoon? Why was it he said Tillman signed up? Oh yeah, because he was an idiot who wanted to “kill Arabs”.

I don’t recall us using him as a bumper sticker for Bush’s reelection, just acknowledging what a hero one must be to give up the career he had to go fight in the war. Where as the left who hated him and did everything they could to ignore him or smear him, suddenly loves him when they can use him to attack Bush and the GOP. It’s disgusting, but no more disgusting than what they’ve done with this entire war, promising eventual surrender to the enemy, giving them the will to come out and blow up civilians for a few more months.

RightWinged on July 29, 2007 at 10:16 PM

If a person around Tillman killed him it does not mean the Bush Administration or the Army had him killed, it means that someone who didn’t agree with Tillman’s positions (that just so happened to be the opposite of the Administrations) killed him for them.

But now we’re back to square one, i.e., Olby’s quote: he specifically distinguishes between the Bush administration and the Army, and mentions the Army only as an afterthought. If he’s suggesting only what you’re suggesting then he wouldn’t have mentioned the administration at all. He would have said, very simply, “Tillman held political views that were unorthodox for a soldier. Might that have earned him enemies within his unit?” There’s no reason to drag the administration into it unless he’s hinting that they had a hand in it. Which, I hope you’ll agree, given the incredible extent to which he’s demonized them in the past, would be par for the course.

Allahpundit on July 29, 2007 at 10:21 PM

P.S. Nonfactor, it was a deliberate exaggeration so as to increase the chances that you would be able to understand it. You apparently did not.

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Or it could be that Olbie is a transgender pedophile dog torturing and raping fiend who also tried to murder his own mother 6 times with a meat clever.

I’m not saying it’s true.

I’m just airing it out.

drjohn on July 29, 2007 at 7:52 PM

Hope you don’t mind.

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 8:34 PM

Happy to have the company!

drjohn on July 29, 2007 at 10:28 PM

You just pretended to know what Olbermann wants to say and then you accuse me of spinning! The mirror, look in it.

Okay, I’m looking in it. And I’m seeing a chyron with the words Mr. Bush’s Casualties laid over a discussion of whether Pat Tillman was killed for expressing views that were unpopular “within the context of the Bush administration.”

I dub thee … Olbypologist.

Allahpundit on July 29, 2007 at 10:29 PM

then that he was planning to visit Noam Chompsky

Now wait this isnt a proven fact either. We supposely have some person who served with Tilman saying that Tilman was reading choamsky and planned to meet him.

This is all heirsay garbage. We dont have a single thing from TILLMEN himself saying he planned to meet choamski. We have some unknown alleging that.

This is typical crap of the left. They have invented a non event and now treat it like its written in stone. They fabricated a story and are pushing it and acting like its a fact finding mission when all it is really is distorting things to create a conspiracy.

This is one more fake theory created to back their political agenda. They will lie and falsify and do anything to push their perverse agenda

William Amos on July 29, 2007 at 10:35 PM

Nonfactor - “The only reason I can think of is that you guys were still busy wiping the egg off your face once you realized he was a liberal.”

How do you concluded that Tillman was a liberal?

Because he was, reportedly, against Bush’s policies in Iraq?

So am I.

Because he was an atheist?

So am I.

I am not a liberal, so why should I consider him to be one?

MB4 on July 29, 2007 at 10:37 PM

I’ll give you this: he is suggesting that either the Bush administration or someone who sympathizes with them might have had something to do with Tillman’s death if it was murder.

And that would be fine if we were talking about a down-the-middle newsman known for his circumspection and evenhandedness. To him let all benefit of the doubt accrue. But given his broadcast history and his endless demonization of the administration, it beggars belief to interpret his comments in this neutral, see-no-evil way. If this were O’Reilly riding one of his hobbyhorses and making dark insinuations about illicit activity and “the context of the Daily Kos,” I suspect you’d have no problem reading between the lines.

Allahpundit on July 29, 2007 at 10:38 PM

What facts ? You guys have convinced them that there was some sort of cover up and it came from higher up. There is no proof of that

So now tillman is a liberal because he supposedly got assassinate by Bush? Does that make Saddam a liberal as well ?

William Amos on July 29, 2007 at 10:40 PM

What facts ? You guys have convinced them that there was some sort of cover up and it came from higher up. There is no proof of that

William Amos on July 29, 2007 at 10:40 PM

You don’t think it was covered up that he was killed by friendly fire? You don’t think he was a liberal despite what everyone who knew him said? There’s no hope for you, really.

Nonfactor on July 29, 2007 at 10:45 PM

How come the only good conspiracies are the ones about Bush or other Republicans?? I think we could all play the conspiracy game! Maybe Tillman was wacked by John Kerry or Hillary to frame Bush! Maybe 9/11 was really a Clinton job to get back at America for allowing Bush to steal the election! Maybe some of these roadside bombs are being planted by the network reporters to make Bush look bad! These useful idiots love conspiracy theories so much, maybe someone ought to tell them about the bullet holes Ron Brown received from his plane crash while Bill and Hillary were President. ! No,, I guess that is just way to kooky.

JellyToast on July 29, 2007 at 10:47 PM

You don’t think it was covered up that he was killed by friendly fire? You don’t think he was a liberal despite what everyone who knew him said? There’s no hope for you, really.

I said there is no evidence that it came from higher up. Try improving your reading skills.

Im sure more liberals join the military to fight after 9/11 and go to afganistan and kill the Taliban. Or did you forget that Tillman was a soldier and he did that while he was over there ?

William Amos on July 29, 2007 at 10:49 PM

Anyone else notice Nonfactor’s typical behavior here? Diverting and ignoring things he has no answer to? I wrote him a lengthy reply and he responded to none of it.

RightWinged on July 29, 2007 at 10:54 PM