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	<title>Comments on: Pace U&#8217;s Koran-flusher: Examining the (presumptive) charges; Update: Unconstitutional?</title>
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		<title>By: AWOL Civilization &#187; Flushing Away Our Civil Liberties</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/29/pace-us-koran-flusher-examining-the-presumptive-charges/comment-page-2/#comment-686002</link>
		<dc:creator>AWOL Civilization &#187; Flushing Away Our Civil Liberties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sobering incident was the recent “flushed Koran” case, in which a student at Pace University was arrested by the NYPD for criminal mischief and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: protein wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>protein wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;One man&#8217;s hate criminal is another man&#8217;s freedom fighter!...&lt;/strong&gt;

Late to the party I am, but still. From the AP, &#8220;Hate-crime arrests in Quran desecrations at Pace University&#8221;:
A 23-year-old man was arrested Friday on hate-crime charges after he threw a Quran in a toilet at Pace University on two separate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>One man&#8217;s hate criminal is another man&#8217;s freedom fighter!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Late to the party I am, but still. From the AP, &#8220;Hate-crime arrests in Quran desecrations at Pace University&#8221;:<br />
A 23-year-old man was arrested Friday on hate-crime charges after he threw a Quran in a toilet at Pace University on two separate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: desertdweller</title>
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		<dc:creator>desertdweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be fun to watch the ACLU take on CAIR over this one?</description>
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		<title>By: Kalapana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalapana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, Silky Pony is right there are two Americas.  While Stanislav Shmulevich gets railroaded, Al Gore III gets a walk:

http://kalapanapundit.blogspot.com/2007/07/two-americas.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, Silky Pony is right there are two Americas.  While Stanislav Shmulevich gets railroaded, Al Gore III gets a walk:</p>
<p><a href="http://kalapanapundit.blogspot.com/2007/07/two-americas.html" rel="nofollow">http://kalapanapundit.blogspot.com/2007/07/two-americas.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hitchens on Pace U prosecution: &#8220;This has to stop, and it has to stop right now&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hitchens on Pace U prosecution: &#8220;This has to stop, and it has to stop right now&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MM has a copy of the complaint. Turns out the newspaper reports were wrong: he hasn&#8217;t been charged with any counts of aggravated harassment, just two counts of fourth-degree criminal mischief (one for each Koran he flushed). As we saw yesterday, fourth-degree mischief is a misdemeanor. So how did Shmulevich end up with two felonies? Simple &#8212; they used the state hate crimes statute to elevate the penalty. You&#8217;ll find it here in section 485.05; criminal mischief is specifically identified as a covered offense in subsection 3. The provision ordering the court to enhance the punishment is in subsection 2 of section 485.10, right below the hate crimes statute. In pertinent part: When a person is convicted of a hate crime pursuant to this article and the specified offense is a misdemeanor or a class C, D or E felony, the hate crime shall be deemed to be one category higher than the specified offense the defendant committed, or one category higher than the offense level applicable to the defendant&#8217;s conviction for an attempt or conspiracy to commit a specified offense, whichever is applicable. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MM has a copy of the complaint. Turns out the newspaper reports were wrong: he hasn&#8217;t been charged with any counts of aggravated harassment, just two counts of fourth-degree criminal mischief (one for each Koran he flushed). As we saw yesterday, fourth-degree mischief is a misdemeanor. So how did Shmulevich end up with two felonies? Simple &#8212; they used the state hate crimes statute to elevate the penalty. You&#8217;ll find it here in section 485.05; criminal mischief is specifically identified as a covered offense in subsection 3. The provision ordering the court to enhance the punishment is in subsection 2 of section 485.10, right below the hate crimes statute. In pertinent part: When a person is convicted of a hate crime pursuant to this article and the specified offense is a misdemeanor or a class C, D or E felony, the hate crime shall be deemed to be one category higher than the specified offense the defendant committed, or one category higher than the offense level applicable to the defendant&#8217;s conviction for an attempt or conspiracy to commit a specified offense, whichever is applicable. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Infidel Terrorist &#187; Shmulevich case goes viral&#8211;where is the left?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Infidel Terrorist &#187; Shmulevich case goes viral&#8211;where is the left?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As Chip Bennett points out, the Shmulevich is going viral . . . in the conservative blogosphere. Malkin, Allahpundit, Jihad Watch, LGF, and many many other bloggers on the right are talking about it, but conspicuously absent are my old friends from the left. The ones who champion saying &#8220;fuck&#8221; on network television and smoking pot in public. The ones who say things just to piss people off because they can&#8211;we live in a free country. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As Chip Bennett points out, the Shmulevich is going viral . . . in the conservative blogosphere. Malkin, Allahpundit, Jihad Watch, LGF, and many many other bloggers on the right are talking about it, but conspicuously absent are my old friends from the left. The ones who champion saying &#8220;fuck&#8221; on network television and smoking pot in public. The ones who say things just to piss people off because they can&#8211;we live in a free country. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cb.blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stanislav Shmulevich Koran Hate Crime Case Beginning to go Viral</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb.blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stanislav Shmulevich Koran Hate Crime Case Beginning to go Viral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The mainline blogosphere is taking notice, as Michelle Malkin, Allah Pundit (who agrees with my legal analysis that the felony charges are baseless), Neal boortz, and others are beginning to weigh in. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The mainline blogosphere is taking notice, as Michelle Malkin, Allah Pundit (who agrees with my legal analysis that the felony charges are baseless), Neal boortz, and others are beginning to weigh in. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: saved</title>
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		<dc:creator>saved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, let&#039;s revisit the Sheryl Crow demand that we use a single square to inhibit global warming.  This way, the koran could last for years.

Do not flush all at once!

The U.S. toilet constitution: separation of church and waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, let&#8217;s revisit the Sheryl Crow demand that we use a single square to inhibit global warming.  This way, the koran could last for years.</p>
<p>Do not flush all at once!</p>
<p>The U.S. toilet constitution: separation of church and waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To the pc crowd, there are no american, we are all immigrants. That is the tired line i always get talking to them about illegal immigration

kathleen&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Errrmmmm .... the treatment that Native Americans got after they failed to control their borders is actually a damned good argument for border control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To the pc crowd, there are no american, we are all immigrants. That is the tired line i always get talking to them about illegal immigration</p>
<p>kathleen</p></blockquote>
<p>Errrmmmm &#8230;. the treatment that Native Americans got after they failed to control their borders is actually a damned good argument for border control.</p>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressoverpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Progressoverpeace said it was white guilt and atonement. I’ll give him (or her) the guilt, but atonement? I think appeasement is more like it. And that, my friends, has never worked.

Entropy40 on July 30, 2007 at 1:03 PM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Him.

Yes, it is appeasement.  But why do they want to appease?  I said &quot;atonement&quot; because that is how we alleviate guilty feelings in Judeo-Christian culture.  

Whites who feel guilty (I am not one of them) feel the need to &quot;atone for their sins&quot; and appeasing is how they do it.  And the more it hurts them, and other whites/Westerners, the better they feel.  That&#039;s how I perceive the situation.

As a side note, tribal cultures like arab/persian/muslim cultures, don&#039;t use guilt and atonement as control mechanisms, but rather shame and revenge - which is why they produce suicide bombers to exact revenge on others and we produce suicidal people to atone for our own perceived sins.  (Again, I think that Westerners have nothing to feel guilty about, but many in the West are consumed with guilt)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Progressoverpeace said it was white guilt and atonement. I’ll give him (or her) the guilt, but atonement? I think appeasement is more like it. And that, my friends, has never worked.</p>
<p>Entropy40 on July 30, 2007 at 1:03 PM
</p></blockquote>
<p>Him.</p>
<p>Yes, it is appeasement.  But why do they want to appease?  I said &#8220;atonement&#8221; because that is how we alleviate guilty feelings in Judeo-Christian culture.  </p>
<p>Whites who feel guilty (I am not one of them) feel the need to &#8220;atone for their sins&#8221; and appeasing is how they do it.  And the more it hurts them, and other whites/Westerners, the better they feel.  That&#8217;s how I perceive the situation.</p>
<p>As a side note, tribal cultures like arab/persian/muslim cultures, don&#8217;t use guilt and atonement as control mechanisms, but rather shame and revenge &#8211; which is why they produce suicide bombers to exact revenge on others and we produce suicidal people to atone for our own perceived sins.  (Again, I think that Westerners have nothing to feel guilty about, but many in the West are consumed with guilt)</p>
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		<title>By: Entropy40</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entropy40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Profitsbeard;

     BINGO!  You&#039;ve won the ... um ... 64 cent prize.  Sorry, but I simply can&#039;t afford more. :)  But you&#039;ve nailed it on the head, I fear.  Islam is a protected minority.  Also, let&#039;s not forget that there appears to be a concerted effort to get God out of American society.  I find this odd because President Washington mentioned God four times in his farewell address.  But, eh.  Progress, &lt;em&gt;ne?&lt;/em&gt;

     People can offend Christ, Christians, and Christianity all that they want, but because it&#039;s Politically Correct to do so, it&#039;s free speech.  Make carricatures of the Prophet, however, and riots break out.  And then the knives and explosives break out.  

     Progressoverpeace said it was white guilt and atonement.  I&#039;ll give him (or her) the guilt, but atonement?  I think appeasement is more like it.  And that, my friends, has &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; worked.

     Remember First, Second, and THIRD Partition of Poland?  Why did those happen?  Appeasement.  Remember that worthless treaty that Neville Chamberlain brought back to English soil?  The one that promised &quot;Peace in our time?&quot;  More appeasement.  

     Now we try to appease the radical muslims ... remember Germany giving them their own holiday?  Hmmm...this doesn&#039;t appear to be working either.

     Glenn Beck said it differently on &lt;em&gt;Coast to Coast AM With George Noory&lt;/em&gt; on 14-NOV-2006.  Mr. Beck said that the only way to get rid of radical Islam is to ... well.  I don&#039;t want to quote him for fear that it would violate the terms of use of this site.  But if you look that quote up ... you might want to be sitting down for it.

Entropuppy (Thanks for the nickname, Lori!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Profitsbeard;</p>
<p>     BINGO!  You&#8217;ve won the &#8230; um &#8230; 64 cent prize.  Sorry, but I simply can&#8217;t afford more. :)  But you&#8217;ve nailed it on the head, I fear.  Islam is a protected minority.  Also, let&#8217;s not forget that there appears to be a concerted effort to get God out of American society.  I find this odd because President Washington mentioned God four times in his farewell address.  But, eh.  Progress, <em>ne?</em></p>
<p>     People can offend Christ, Christians, and Christianity all that they want, but because it&#8217;s Politically Correct to do so, it&#8217;s free speech.  Make carricatures of the Prophet, however, and riots break out.  And then the knives and explosives break out.  </p>
<p>     Progressoverpeace said it was white guilt and atonement.  I&#8217;ll give him (or her) the guilt, but atonement?  I think appeasement is more like it.  And that, my friends, has <em>never</em> worked.</p>
<p>     Remember First, Second, and THIRD Partition of Poland?  Why did those happen?  Appeasement.  Remember that worthless treaty that Neville Chamberlain brought back to English soil?  The one that promised &#8220;Peace in our time?&#8221;  More appeasement.  </p>
<p>     Now we try to appease the radical muslims &#8230; remember Germany giving them their own holiday?  Hmmm&#8230;this doesn&#8217;t appear to be working either.</p>
<p>     Glenn Beck said it differently on <em>Coast to Coast AM With George Noory</em> on 14-NOV-2006.  Mr. Beck said that the only way to get rid of radical Islam is to &#8230; well.  I don&#8217;t want to quote him for fear that it would violate the terms of use of this site.  But if you look that quote up &#8230; you might want to be sitting down for it.</p>
<p>Entropuppy (Thanks for the nickname, Lori!)</p>
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		<title>By: southchild &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Put a book in a toilet, and go to Jail.</title>
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		<dc:creator>southchild &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Put a book in a toilet, and go to Jail.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Charles Johnson at LGF has been in contact with Shmulevich. He reports that the student has been charged with two felonies, criminal mischief and aggravated harassment. Allahpundit has a thorough legal review. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Charles Johnson at LGF has been in contact with Shmulevich. He reports that the student has been charged with two felonies, criminal mischief and aggravated harassment. Allahpundit has a thorough legal review. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: profitsbeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>profitsbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor B.-

P.C. kicks in because:

Islam is a &quot;protected minority&quot;.

Until they tip the demographic balance, then the Constitution is toilet paper, and we get beheaded for objecting to Sharia Law.

&lt;em&gt;I guess it is a sucide pact after all.&lt;/em&gt;

At least according to Pace.

And the friends of the &quot;hatecrime&quot; laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor B.-</p>
<p>P.C. kicks in because:</p>
<p>Islam is a &#8220;protected minority&#8221;.</p>
<p>Until they tip the demographic balance, then the Constitution is toilet paper, and we get beheaded for objecting to Sharia Law.</p>
<p><em>I guess it is a sucide pact after all.</em></p>
<p>At least according to Pace.</p>
<p>And the friends of the &#8220;hatecrime&#8221; laws.</p>
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		<title>By: The American Pundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Case of the Koran and the Toilet</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Pundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Case of the Koran and the Toilet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Allah&#8217;s got a legal run-down. Rick Moran writes:  The Korans Mr. Shmulevich threw in the toilet were school property taken from a “meditation room” on campus. Now I’m not a lawyer and will make no attempt to analyze the legal issues regarding this case. But Allah has the language of the statutes under which Mr. Shmulevich is being charged with a hate crime and to these layman’s eyes, it is perplexing to me why the prosecutor would be charging Mr. Shmulevich under either of these statutes. Instead, it appears to be a case where the prosecutor files more serious charges in hopes the defendant will plead to lesser ones. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Allah&#8217;s got a legal run-down. Rick Moran writes:  The Korans Mr. Shmulevich threw in the toilet were school property taken from a “meditation room” on campus. Now I’m not a lawyer and will make no attempt to analyze the legal issues regarding this case. But Allah has the language of the statutes under which Mr. Shmulevich is being charged with a hate crime and to these layman’s eyes, it is perplexing to me why the prosecutor would be charging Mr. Shmulevich under either of these statutes. Instead, it appears to be a case where the prosecutor files more serious charges in hopes the defendant will plead to lesser ones. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Jawa Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Jawa Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sharia Comes to New York...&lt;/strong&gt;

In America burning a flag is free speech, but flushing the Koran is a felony. Welcome to the brave new world. Since I have several copies of the Koran laying around the house, I think it&#039;s time to flush another......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sharia Comes to New York&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>In America burning a flag is free speech, but flushing the Koran is a felony. Welcome to the brave new world. Since I have several copies of the Koran laying around the house, I think it&#8217;s time to flush another&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: infidel4life</title>
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		<dc:creator>infidel4life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is madness.

Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:57 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It is indeed madness. And, in my humble Christian opinion, can only be comprehended by considering what is going on behind the scenes in the spiritual realm, a la Ephesians 6:12 (as shooter has referred to).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is madness.</p>
<p>Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:57 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>It is indeed madness. And, in my humble Christian opinion, can only be comprehended by considering what is going on behind the scenes in the spiritual realm, a la Ephesians 6:12 (as shooter has referred to).</p>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressoverpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What I don’t understand though is why political correctness is so selective!

I’m a true advocate of free speech - I say offend everybody, if that’s what you want. I may beat you to pulp if you burn the flag in front of me … but I support your legal right to do it. And so on.

But WHY is this same political correctness NOT applied to Christian symbols, or the flag? Why are we so eager to be politically correct towards the very people who want to kill us? 

Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:57 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

White guilt and atonement -  The driving forces of Western culture since the emotional shock of WWII.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What I don’t understand though is why political correctness is so selective!</p>
<p>I’m a true advocate of free speech &#8211; I say offend everybody, if that’s what you want. I may beat you to pulp if you burn the flag in front of me … but I support your legal right to do it. And so on.</p>
<p>But WHY is this same political correctness NOT applied to Christian symbols, or the flag? Why are we so eager to be politically correct towards the very people who want to kill us? </p>
<p>Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:57 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>White guilt and atonement &#8211;  The driving forces of Western culture since the emotional shock of WWII.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shooter-I agree. click on my name and see what I wrote yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shooter-I agree. click on my name and see what I wrote yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Prof. Blather;

It’s called “Political Correctness,” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m afraid it is much, much more than that. It is WAR.

War on Terror? Yes, but also- 
We are in the most important SPIRITUAL WAR in history, and the enemy is on the attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Prof. Blather;</p>
<p>It’s called “Political Correctness,” </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid it is much, much more than that. It is WAR.</p>
<p>War on Terror? Yes, but also-<br />
We are in the most important SPIRITUAL WAR in history, and the enemy is on the attack.</p>
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		<title>By: shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote this at MM.

The irony in this event is the fact that the koran itself is hate speech.

&lt;strong&gt;By quieting a single copy of the most dangerous, hateful and terror inciting book in the history of the world, the guy is charged with….hate?&lt;/strong&gt;

pls wake me up, this nightmare is getting worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote this at MM.</p>
<p>The irony in this event is the fact that the koran itself is hate speech.</p>
<p><strong>By quieting a single copy of the most dangerous, hateful and terror inciting book in the history of the world, the guy is charged with….hate?</strong></p>
<p>pls wake me up, this nightmare is getting worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Flushing our Civilization Down the Toilet &#171; Buttle&#8217;s World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flushing our Civilization Down the Toilet &#171; Buttle&#8217;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AllahPundit has a legal rundown making it clear that, at most, the Koran flusher could be charged with petty theft. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MadisonConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadisonConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forwarded the whole thing to FIRE the minute I saw it on LGF. Hopefully they can help.</description>
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		<title>By: Professor Blather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Blather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entropy40 on July 30, 2007 at 9:41 AM

What I don&#039;t understand though is why political correctness is so selective!

I&#039;m a true advocate of free speech - I say offend everybody, if that&#039;s what you want. I may beat you to pulp if you burn the flag in front of me ... but I support your legal right to do it. And so on.

But WHY is this same political correctness NOT applied to Christian symbols, or the flag? Why are we so eager to be politically correct towards the very people who want to kill us?

The logic has just vanished here. And I really can&#039;t think of any society in history that has responded to an external threat in this way.

Usually - and usually shamefully - the opposite happens. Even in recent history: the internment of the Japanese-Americans is a classic example. However you may feel about it ... you understand the logic. The Japanese attacked us ... so we (rightly or wrongly) &quot;attacked&quot; them at home.

If our culture of today had existed in 1941 ... what would Roosevelt have done? Immediately made it a felony to mock the Japanese? Imprisoned anyone saying bad things about the Emperor?

This is madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entropy40 on July 30, 2007 at 9:41 AM</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand though is why political correctness is so selective!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a true advocate of free speech &#8211; I say offend everybody, if that&#8217;s what you want. I may beat you to pulp if you burn the flag in front of me &#8230; but I support your legal right to do it. And so on.</p>
<p>But WHY is this same political correctness NOT applied to Christian symbols, or the flag? Why are we so eager to be politically correct towards the very people who want to kill us?</p>
<p>The logic has just vanished here. And I really can&#8217;t think of any society in history that has responded to an external threat in this way.</p>
<p>Usually &#8211; and usually shamefully &#8211; the opposite happens. Even in recent history: the internment of the Japanese-Americans is a classic example. However you may feel about it &#8230; you understand the logic. The Japanese attacked us &#8230; so we (rightly or wrongly) &#8220;attacked&#8221; them at home.</p>
<p>If our culture of today had existed in 1941 &#8230; what would Roosevelt have done? Immediately made it a felony to mock the Japanese? Imprisoned anyone saying bad things about the Emperor?</p>
<p>This is madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Entropy40</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entropy40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Blather;

     It&#039;s called &quot;Political Correctness,&quot; and is the disease that will be the death of the United States of America.  Let&#039;s examine something that was posted earlier:

communication must, be obscene, a specific and unequivocal threat, or by its very utterance tend to incite an immediate breach of peace. (see People v. Smith, 89 Misc. 2d 789, 392 N.Y.S.2d 

     Ok.  &quot;...tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.&quot;  What happened when the carricatures of the Prophet appeared in a Danish newspaper?  Riots by ... Christians?  Nope.  Buddists?  Nada.  Jews?  Nope.  Muslims?  SHHH!!!  You&#039;re stereotyping us!  DISCRIMINATION!!!

     There are oh so many posts here that are 100 per cent on the money.  Unfortunately, while you and I and the people that post here know the truth ... the sad truth is that this student will in all likelyhood be charged with these crimes ... just to make an example of him.  How DARE he flush the Holy Book of our favourite religion??  We need to find something to charge him with so that our muslims don&#039;t riot and burn something down...

     And to the libs and Dems reading this; tell me something.  When &quot;Piss Christ&quot; came out, how many Christians threatened to blow up the art museum?  How many Christians murdered an Iman who had nothing to do with the incident?  Do you remember when muslims murdered a (I THINK she was a) Roman Catholic Sister?  Hmm??  How about the rioting in the streets?  Did that happen when &quot;Piss Christ&quot; came out?  Granted, there are a few unhinged Christians out there, such as those that burn down abortion clinics and/or murder abortion doctors.  I in no way shape or form agree with abortion; but I agree even less with murdering the doctors that do it.  Vengeance belongs to God, according to the Bible.  Yes, I know it&#039;s Politically Incorrect to quote the Bible.  Get over it.  And yourselves, you ruddy libs.

     I&#039;m sorry libs; but your silence is deafening.  For rules to apply to anybody, they must apply to all.  For rules to have any teeth, they must be fairly and uniformly applied to all.  Until the human condition changes, that won&#039;t happen.  Sad, but true.  

     And Ordinary1 ... your comment about Pastors being charged for preaching against homosexuality.  Here you go:

http://www.star-telegram.com/national_news/story/184722.html

     Read it ... and weep for our once great Nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Blather;</p>
<p>     It&#8217;s called &#8220;Political Correctness,&#8221; and is the disease that will be the death of the United States of America.  Let&#8217;s examine something that was posted earlier:</p>
<p>communication must, be obscene, a specific and unequivocal threat, or by its very utterance tend to incite an immediate breach of peace. (see People v. Smith, 89 Misc. 2d 789, 392 N.Y.S.2d </p>
<p>     Ok.  &#8220;&#8230;tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.&#8221;  What happened when the carricatures of the Prophet appeared in a Danish newspaper?  Riots by &#8230; Christians?  Nope.  Buddists?  Nada.  Jews?  Nope.  Muslims?  SHHH!!!  You&#8217;re stereotyping us!  DISCRIMINATION!!!</p>
<p>     There are oh so many posts here that are 100 per cent on the money.  Unfortunately, while you and I and the people that post here know the truth &#8230; the sad truth is that this student will in all likelyhood be charged with these crimes &#8230; just to make an example of him.  How DARE he flush the Holy Book of our favourite religion??  We need to find something to charge him with so that our muslims don&#8217;t riot and burn something down&#8230;</p>
<p>     And to the libs and Dems reading this; tell me something.  When &#8220;Piss Christ&#8221; came out, how many Christians threatened to blow up the art museum?  How many Christians murdered an Iman who had nothing to do with the incident?  Do you remember when muslims murdered a (I THINK she was a) Roman Catholic Sister?  Hmm??  How about the rioting in the streets?  Did that happen when &#8220;Piss Christ&#8221; came out?  Granted, there are a few unhinged Christians out there, such as those that burn down abortion clinics and/or murder abortion doctors.  I in no way shape or form agree with abortion; but I agree even less with murdering the doctors that do it.  Vengeance belongs to God, according to the Bible.  Yes, I know it&#8217;s Politically Incorrect to quote the Bible.  Get over it.  And yourselves, you ruddy libs.</p>
<p>     I&#8217;m sorry libs; but your silence is deafening.  For rules to apply to anybody, they must apply to all.  For rules to have any teeth, they must be fairly and uniformly applied to all.  Until the human condition changes, that won&#8217;t happen.  Sad, but true.  </p>
<p>     And Ordinary1 &#8230; your comment about Pastors being charged for preaching against homosexuality.  Here you go:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/national_news/story/184722.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.star-telegram.com/national_news/story/184722.html</a></p>
<p>     Read it &#8230; and weep for our once great Nation.</p>
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		<title>By: doriangrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>doriangrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:12 AM

Those communists masquerading as socialists pretending to be liberal democrats are unraveling the fabric of our society so that they can refashion in into their communist/socialist utopia. To do this they have to destroy the current social order and devalue religion, this is just one of the ways they are doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Blather on July 30, 2007 at 9:12 AM</p>
<p>Those communists masquerading as socialists pretending to be liberal democrats are unraveling the fabric of our society so that they can refashion in into their communist/socialist utopia. To do this they have to destroy the current social order and devalue religion, this is just one of the ways they are doing it.</p>
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