Video: The freaky deaky helicopter crash clip
posted at 9:17 pm on July 27, 2007 by Allahpundit
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This isn’t the clip Drudge is running with, of footage shot from one of the crashing choppers. This is from another bird in the sky that was right there. Reminds me of the first few minutes after the Towers fell, when you knew what you were looking at was real but weren’t quite ready to accept it yet.
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Yeah, “freaky deaky train wreck” or “freaky deaky plane crash in Brazil” makes a lot of sense to normal people as well.
Yet more insight into perspective which is important to keep in mind when you carry on about other “non candidates” and issues…
Weber48IDA on July 28, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Don’t speak for him on this. You’re trying to be fair, and that’s good, but he flipped and there was NO reason to. “Griefmeisters,” “bullying” “sublime sorrow”
WHATTHE***??? WHAT BULLYING? Pulling his ad revenue if he don’t change the title?
With Freaky Deaky last used by AP himself as his favorite heading for Absurd and Pathetic Robots from Japan, WHY is he SURPRISED at the connotation doesn’t work well with a fatal helicopter crash? A SHRUG would have been sufficient, not a pile of insults to people who counted themselves amongst his fanclub, perhaps stupidly.
naliaka on July 28, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Please reread how this went down. Two commenters, naliaka and Christoph said, respectively:
and
They’re simply asking AP to consider changing it.
AP’s response?
Rational response to two people asking him to consider changing it? That’s being bullied? And then the added sarcasm: “I bow before your sublime sorrow, griefmasters.”?
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:21 AM
What, is Hot Air a public service now? The readers who produce advertising revenue aren’t permitted to ask him to consider changing the title?
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:26 AM
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:21 AM
Thanks.
Never dreamed that this would get so ridiculous. Would have said nothing.
naliaka on July 28, 2007 at 12:27 AM
If you come up with a way for AP to insure that he never offends a single person who may visit this blog, perhaps you should share that information.
This whole thing is much ado about nothing. One would think you’d be a little more considerate of your host, but carry on. Share your FEELINGS with everyone and let them know how OFFENDED you are. Personally, I’m going to go make some popcorn.
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 12:32 AM
AM
Sure has been a freaky deaky gay Friday!
By the way AP, I wonder how many purple snark we have caught?
I got my bag ready.
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 12:35 AM
I’ve counted about 10 people who must have a Doctorate in Victimology in regards to the title — kind of cute when they throw a tantrum.
Re the story, this was too bad and the breaking news for car chases contributes to the added risk for the pilots who are expected to fly the copter and follow. If CNN and Fox quit showing them everytime maybe they would stop focusing on every single one.
Bradky on July 28, 2007 at 12:36 AM
I wasn’t going to even say anything until AP came back with his claim that the two commenters, naliaka and Christoph, were bullying him by asking if he’d consider changing the title. And the sarcasm at the end was really necessary in response to their requests, was it?
One would think your host would be a little more considerate of his guests, which keep your host’s site going. One would think your host wouldn’t respond with claims of bullying and a sarcastic remark, because his guests made a simple request.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:37 AM
Right. We threw a tantrum. It wasn’t AP who responded to two simple requests that he consider changing the title, by claiming he was being bullied.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:39 AM
What about those of us who are not unhappy with his headline? What about OUR feelings? Who will make US happy? Who will be considerate of US? Oh, the humanity! The horror!
Like I said, AP can’t make everyone happy. Funny how some of you think yours are the only opinions that matter, though.
Back to my popcorn.
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 12:41 AM
Christoph, ditto. Thanks. And I see a few others who got it, thanks.
The missing word that would have better clarified my intention was the pronoun, “I’m” - especially if one is reading fast: “I’m sure it wasn’t …”
Perhaps AP wouldn’t have interpreted it as a sarcastic “ SURE it wasn’t intentional …”
Sorry. I tried to state that it was clear that AP hadn’t intended to be flip in any way - and that I understood that, but the chosen title didn’t work well. Unintended consequences were, it came off as flip. That’s all. What’s with all the nasty ?
naliaka on July 28, 2007 at 12:45 AM
Two people made a request that Allah consider changing the title. They weren’t about to take up picketing outside his house. He responds with claims of being bullied, and a sarcastic remark.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:46 AM
Freaky Deaky was a term used by Beatnicks in the late 50’s and early 60’s. Then the hippies started using the term in the middle to late 60’s. So, nobody or group has a claim on the proper use of Freaky Deaky.
Today is has a different meaning because the young people are poorly educated by English teachers that are forced by the NEA to teach Communism, Political Correctness, and how to hate George Bush. It is fine to use the Urban Dictionary to know what these poorly educated members of society are saying, but it is not appropriate to use as the source to critize Allah’s use of two words.
Helloyawl on July 28, 2007 at 12:46 AM
Since I don’t really care about the title either way, I’ll just bore everyone silly by talking about the subject of the post instead:
To me, the thing to take away from this horrible accident is this:
Keep your f*cking minds on what you’re doing, morons, or somebody will get hurt. Whether it be a pilot flying a chopper or a soccer mom barreling down the interstate with her permanently affixed cellphone surgically attached to her ear, a twit so fascinated by an accident on the side of the road that he fails to keep his eyes ON the road or a slick twerp trying to crawl up his date’s skirt while changing lanes on the expressway:
Your minds can’t handle more than one thing at a time and you are, in case you’re not aware of it, currently piloting a lethal weapon, SO FOCUS OR GET THE F*CK OUT OF TRAFFIC BEFORE I HURT YOU.
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.
Because at least one person failed to heed that simple rule, four poor people are dead that shouldn’t be.
Let this be a lesson to y’all, and put the damn cellphone down or I WILL shoot you.
Misha I on July 28, 2007 at 12:46 AM
Perhaps a private email to him would have been more appropriate.
Bradky on July 28, 2007 at 12:47 AM
Follow the troll:
Have you received enough publicity for your site ameripundit?
I am sure waiting for such a time.
[[crickets singing]]
Huh?
[[frogs croaking]]
What?
[[crickets singing]]
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 12:53 AM
I can only speak for myself, but I’ve never been able to get a message through to the Hot Air team. I’ve emailed them with tips and questions before, and nothing.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:53 AM
Yeah. That’s my purpose here. To get publicity for my site. Then, you know what, I won’t show my face (so to speak) here anymore.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:56 AM
I’ve sent a couple - AP usually answers back. But he is the only one who has replied.
Bradky on July 28, 2007 at 12:57 AM
[[[[APPLAUSE]]]
Good bye.
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 12:58 AM
Y’all just watched four people die (and one nearly have a stroke reporting it), and some of you are taking AP to task for his choice of words for the header?
I’m sorry, but IMHO perhaps praying for the families of the victims would be a much more productive use of your energies?
Just a thought.
infidel4life on July 28, 2007 at 12:59 AM
Can you quote where I used the word OFFENDED? Isn’t that huge exageration out of your own mouth?
I am now offended about the griefmeisters and faux sob lines, which were totally uncalled for.
How do you make the enormous leap from “would you consider” to Doctorate in Victimology?
Go analyze someone else. You’re throwing mud, not helping. The consideration was FOR AP, not AGAINST him, and NOT being PERSONALLY OFFENDED as you claim. It’s NOT my name at the top of the HotAir masthead. What’s wrong with what’s evidently a generational concern that it MIGHT make AP and HA look as if the tragedy was being belittled at the HA site - IF other people drop in to see the clip? ESPECIALLY if I was sure that wasn’t AP’s intention? Pointed it out, respectfully, and got kicked in the teeth for it. Anyone who came in to comment that tweaking the title might go over better, were also mocked. NOT one of HotAir’s finest threads. That’s a FACT.
And look at all the laughing pop-corn chompers.
naliaka on July 28, 2007 at 1:03 AM
Or for the trolls.
Just a thought.
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 1:03 AM
Oh please. Get over yourself.
Bradky on July 28, 2007 at 1:05 AM
IIRC (and I do), amerpundit has been posting intelligent and thoughtful comments here since long before you showed up. If there is someone who should consider not showing their face around here I would suggest you look in the mirror.
infidel4life on July 28, 2007 at 1:11 AM
1. I suspect that if you asked the next 1,000 people you meet to describe the video in two words you’d get a lot of “real tragedy”, “great tragedy”, “heartbreaking loss” , etc. etc. I wager that unless AP was one of the 1,000 NO ONE would choose “Freaky Deaky.” That is an immature, adolescent, and condescending phrase, and totally inappropriate anywhere to describe what we were invited to watch, especially on a web site that oftimes tackles the hard issues, albeit tongue in cheek.
2. Even though AP ‘meant no harm’, and I take him at his word, his “I’ll not change the damned title, you can just all go to hell” attitude reminds me of the kids of my youth who had the only baseball and if you didnt play by their rules, they were going to take their ball and go home.
3. This whole thing has given me insight into politicians who will do anything before they will confess error.
4. I predict that there will be hundreds of posts on this site in the future containing nothing more than “Freaky Deaky”.
5. AP, you win.
Labamigo on July 28, 2007 at 1:12 AM
The readers who produce advertising revenue aren’t permitted to ask him to consider changing the title?
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 12:26 AM
Heh Heh Heh What?!? So I get to edit hot air when I advertise my company? Where is that written. It seems some of us have inflated egos. If that is the case then I am outa here. The core principle of this blog is its integrity. Allah may have been a little coarse with his reasonse but his integrity remains intact. You have to respect that. Besides it’s late and its the end of the week. Don’t forget the thousands of articles Allah scans to bring the pertinent stuff while remaining entertaining. Alot of those articles deal with death so give the guy a break if he isn’t metro sensitive enough for you.
sonnyspats1 on July 28, 2007 at 1:13 AM
Care to show me where I directed ANY comment to you, directly? Feeling a little thin-skinned, aren’t you?
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 1:15 AM
Heaven knows that the mods have posted things I don’t necessarily agree with but since I’m their guest I won’t call them names or presume to tell them how they should run the site. Civil disagreement has never been a problem.
In the military they teach people to “praise in public and criticize in private”. Some would do well to consider the same at the sites they visit.
Bradky on July 28, 2007 at 1:19 AM
I had given you a peaceful pass for the above comment. You sounded magnanimous.
Until this:
Well since my gloves are not dirty enough. Let me take them off just for you!
So you are a do-gooder police?
That title NEVER BOTHERED ME!!
Why did it bother you?
[[whisper softly here]]
Do you have a bone to pick here?
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN.
Let me welcome Hot Air’s newest troll!!
There [[whisper]] you feel better now?
If you want to see your rank, click here.
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 1:19 AM
Want butter on your popcorn?
naliaka on July 28, 2007 at 1:20 AM
My thoughts and prayers are with their families and friends.
Buzzy on July 28, 2007 at 1:21 AM
Holy Jeeezus, some of you really need a lesson in something called the “chain of command.”
At the top: Michelle
Second from top: Allahpundit, Bryan
Waaaay underneath them: The rest of us!!!
Got that?
Go somewhere else if you don’t like it, sheesh.
infidel4life on July 28, 2007 at 1:22 AM
My popcorn is fine the way it is……just the way I like it, thanks.
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 1:22 AM
And yet we continue the voyeurism right here.
Big S on July 28, 2007 at 1:24 AM
Yeah … the government can prevent these situations and protect us … we just need more rules, regulations and statutes …
Like a sharp stick in the eye …
Life has risks.
AZ_Redneck on July 28, 2007 at 1:26 AM
There is a particular mention in the “terms of use” about linking for promotional sake. HA may or may not allow it.
So I have a particular bone to pick with such which is why I highlighted it for all to see about “troll ameripundit”.
I have appreciated your thoughtful input, infidel4life.
When I do look in my mirror I do not have self hatred, unlike Harry Reid. :)
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 1:28 AM
Well said! Applause, applause, applause!
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 1:28 AM
The pilot and photographer from KNXV were close, personal friends of mine. The photographer had just lost his granddaughter the night before due to illness, she was 5.
Forgive me for not being flip enough, but some of the responses here are extremely disturbing. The man they were following was quite dangerous and the local police had failed to stop him in a timely matter. In my opinion, this whole thing could have been avoided.
I shall attempt to be more FLIPPANT the next time 4 innocent people are killed while doing their jobs to inform the public in the area about the danger approaching their neighborhood. MY MISTAKE FOR NOT BEING FLIPPANT ENOUGH AND BOWING TO GRIEFMASTERS.
Sir Loin on July 28, 2007 at 1:31 AM
AMeripundit
If you are still upset with the title why don’t you send an email of condolences to the stations to comfort the families of the victims
Cause rare is it that Hotair comments give me a pounding headache, and this is one of those occasions
Your first 7 disagreements were noted
We are all not that thick I understood after the 4th
EricPWJohnson on July 28, 2007 at 1:33 AM
The original air disaster. Considered by many to be the worst of the 20th century.
sonnyspats1 on July 28, 2007 at 1:34 AM
So sorry for the loss of your friends. It’s been a difficult day for you and all who knew them……but the rest of us didn’t know them, and while we are sad for any loss of human life, we are disconnected from the personal loss. Therefore, we may appear to be flippant and uncaring, which is not the case.
As for the rest of your post, I’m sure we would disagree on some of the statements you made, but this is not the time. Again, I’m sorry for your loss.
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 1:36 AM
My last response:
I have. I’ve also stated that “My Thoughts And Prayers are with Their Families and Friends” on my own site. I’ve said a prayer for them, as well.
Speaking of my own site,
Is it against Hot Air’s TOS to fill out my Wordpress profile? I don’t come here for self-promotion, and don’t appreciate being accused of doing such. I’ve been commenting here since before I’ve had my website, and would comment if it crashed tomorrow. The last time I linked to my site, was during the large comment thread about TNR. That was because I had a MySpace account, and could access Scott’s pictures. I uploaded one to my own site, so those without an account could see him.
Thank you.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 1:41 AM
My sincerest condolences on your loss.
Your comment has brought it close to home.
At Hotair we normally have a lot of thoughtful, provoking comments with a lot of humor thrown in to get us through these crazy days we live in.
The term “troll” means someone who wastes our time with mindless discussion.
I sincerely apologize for all of us here in having a “troll session” on a serious loss for you.
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 1:41 AM
Thanks, what’s sad is that they were both good people who donated much time to charity. The pilot (Craig Smith) flew organs to people awaiting transplants and had a musical band on the side which also played for charity.
The guy they were following from above had led cops around for over 20 minutes. They’d blown out all 4 tires and yet they let him continue to drive through neighborhoods despite the overwhelming number of police cars in the area. It would have been fairly easy to box him and end the whole thing, he didn’t do above 20mph from what I could tell. Just so utterly unnecessary.
Please excuse the previous emotional post, I’m still quite upset at what seems to be an avoidable loss. And let’s not forget the guy they were following was in fact an extremely bad person. I’ll be expecting his victim status case soon.
Sir Loin on July 28, 2007 at 1:41 AM
I am very sorry for your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with the friends and families of those who perished.
infidel4life on July 28, 2007 at 1:42 AM
I’m sorry, as well. They sounded like such nice gentlemen. God bless, and please pass along my condolences to their families.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 1:44 AM
Kralizec on July 28, 2007 at 1:49 AM
They were indeed great people, please pray especially for Rick Krolak’s family, as they’ve lost both a granddaughter as well as himself within 72 hours. I can’t imagine their grief right now.
I did not know KTVK’s pilot or photographer, but from watching their coverage today, they also seemed like terrific guys who loved covering the news.
People get attached to local news personalities, and I think that’s what’s hit local folks here so much. You see them almost every day on the news, and then in a split second they’re gone. In this case, many were watching the entire scene unfold on live TV (as I was) and that makes it harder to get your mind around, if that makes any sense.
Sir Loin on July 28, 2007 at 1:50 AM
Sir Loin.
I am very sorry. These were my two posts on how I feel -started in response to someone’s confused question:
why is that guy breathing hard? he’s sitting down and not moving.
He just watched friends and fellow pilots and cameramen associates just be killed. He’s crying.
Didn’t feel right eavesdropping on his distress. Terrible.
naliaka on July 27, 2007 at 9:47 PM
Please, AP, Freaky Deaky isn’t the right title. Sure it wasn’t intentional on your part, but it’s too flip for the tragedy. Would you consider something else?
naliaka on July 27, 2007 at 9:51 PM
The tape was devastating. You must know the other pilot, too. This should never have been overshadowed by petty squabbling.
Very sorry that you’ve lost your friends and that you must share in the grief of their families.
This week ahead will be especially rough. May you find strength and peace.
naliaka on July 28, 2007 at 1:50 AM
Sir Loin on July 28, 2007 at 1:31 AM
Sorry for your loss. I know from experience that its the sudden loss of a loved one that can really rock the world we live in. My prayers go out to their family and friends.
sonnyspats1 on July 28, 2007 at 1:53 AM
To: amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 1:41 AM
For “Terms of Use” click here:
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Hot Air allows third-party websites to send trackbacks to its posts, but we may, in our absolute discretion, disable this option for particular posts or discontinue our general policy of allowing trackbacks at any time.
You tell me.
Is this site about HA or about you?
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 1:53 AM
Thank you, the families of those deceased will really need prayer…this will be covered nationally for days I’m sure so they won’t be able to get away from it. People on the ground who witnessed the crash were also pretty shaken up, several interviewed could barely talk about it without choking up.
Guess I’m just angry that this occurred because some selfish idiot decided to carjack and lead police on a chase that ended in tragedy…I just don’t understand the mindset of people who do that sort of thing. Quite disturbing.
Good night, everyone.
Sir Loin on July 28, 2007 at 2:01 AM
Please, point out where I’ve done that.
Hot Air. Like I said, I commented before I even had my site. How did I “promote” myself in this thread? Hmm? Because my username is linked to my site? So are others, and it’s not against the TOS.
The only thing I’m “promoting” is my opinion.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 2:05 AM
Oh Good Lord, give it a rest man. You’re really being a total asshole.
infidel4life on July 28, 2007 at 2:06 AM
I can’t quite wrap my mind around blaming the car jacker for the crash. That’s not to say the carjacker isn’t a dirt bag who deserves to have the book thrown at him, but as far as blaming him for news helicopters crashing? That’s a stretch, IMO.
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 2:07 AM
G’night Sir Loin.
infidel4life on July 28, 2007 at 2:08 AM
You haven’t done anything wrong. And plenty enough right, so ‘night!
naliaka on July 28, 2007 at 2:08 AM
And everyone, good night.
amerpundit on July 28, 2007 at 2:10 AM
Goodnight infidel4life.
I’ve enjoyed your comments.
Mcguyver on July 28, 2007 at 2:11 AM
G’night amerpundit.
P.S. Don’t let that jerk intimidate you, put the link back with your username.
;-)
infidel4life on July 28, 2007 at 2:13 AM
Good night Amerpundit
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 2:14 AM
Thanks…..I guess.
infidel4life on July 28, 2007 at 2:16 AM
I’m going to ignore the bickering on this thread. It’s inappropriate. Four people died today, in a horrible crash. Thank God that they didn’t come down in an area where there were people. That was very fortunate, as they were only a few hundred yards away from a V.A. Hospital.
I was sitting in a restaurant with channel 3 on, covering the car chase. All of a sudden that coverage was gone, and then a few minutes later we saw a distant shot of smoke.
It wasn’t until we got back in the car, after lunch, and turned on the radio that we realized that two helicopters had collided. It was very upsetting. I pray for the families of the dead newsmen.
JannyMae on July 28, 2007 at 2:39 AM
Oh, never mind. [self-deleted]
speed911 on July 28, 2007 at 2:47 AM
(I wasn’t a real big fan of the title, either. But we should all let it go.)
THIS is spooky:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da6_1185572136
It’s from one of the helicopters involved. Terrible.
RedCrow on July 28, 2007 at 3:23 AM
Good grief, this slapfight went on this long? Amerpundit, put your URL back, I’m used to the blue name, its annoying to leave it black.
I notice you leave out MSNBC when you’re wagging your finger, Bradky. Or do they not show these police chases over there?
Bad Candy on July 28, 2007 at 3:25 AM
Oh, God. Like an idiot I watched it again. I might be sick.
CAUTION: Folks, I might have screwed up putting that link in my post above. HOPE YOU GUYS SEE THIS BEFORE CLICKING THE LINK.
I wish I could edit my last post. The link contains video, as I said, from one of the choppers. Before the video cuts out, you hear the collision (like a bad car crash), but you hear more right at the end.
It’s the sound at the end that makes me ill.
Sorry about posting that link.
RedCrow on July 28, 2007 at 3:35 AM
It’s the same one that Allah linked to in the original post.
forged rite on July 28, 2007 at 3:58 AM
My fault. I didn’t click that–just looked at the embedded vid from the third chopper.
The parenthetical ‘Disturbing’ on the title of that video (from the link) is an understatement.
I thought I put my foot in it. Wanted to make sure that people knew about the horror of that clip before watching.
Thanks.
RedCrow on July 28, 2007 at 4:21 AM
So, let me get this straight, it is illegal in most states to speak on a cell phone while driving, but we have helicopter pilots whose job it is not only to fly the helicopter, but follow a car chase on the ground AND speak to the viewing audience at the same time?
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2007 at 4:51 AM
A hundred seventy odd comments about a suffix?!
Coupla, three things
First:
Seconded.
Amended.
In a language like English:where one can
speak of “lead” guitars or “lead” weights. “Bass” frequencies, or “bass”boats, a ship’s “bow”, or a “bow” & arrow, maintenance of context is the reader’s imperative.
Second.
AP, if you don’t post more freaky deaky robot videos,stat, this crowd’s gonna turn ugly.
Uh-oh. Too late.
Third.
I wonder if I’ll be branded as flippant for that last remark.
If so…at least it’s good company.
soundingboard on July 28, 2007 at 5:18 AM
If something is “freaky deaky” then it is fun or interesting. It is not something that will freak you out, unless you mean that in a positive way. It’s something that you will enjoy and usually implies laughter. The sound of the phrase should have given that part away.
Now, someone is allowed to make up any private definition for a phrase that he wants, but the chances of that being communicated to anyone is around zero.
If you asked a person if he wanted to see something “freaky deaky”, he would be oddly intrigued, depending upon how unconventional, or edgy, he was. But no one would expect to see death, unless they were into that sort of stuff. That’s the impression the phrase gives to most people - most people I’ve ever known, at least.
I think it’s a big mistake leaving it up and it has nothing to do with journalistic integrity or poetic license or anything of the sort. People are going to see it and really react. I did a double-take when I saw what it was about. Twice.
progressoverpeace on July 28, 2007 at 5:54 AM
Wow, The one time I go to bed early on a Friday night and I miss a techno-geek-rumble.
AP, perhaps a little strange for a title but that is your choice. One of the things I love about HA is your strange and creative titles, And yes occansonally someone is going to get pissed off as a result. That just means you are pushing the outside of the envolope dude. Keep it up, You won’t hear any bi%ching from me.
Amerpundit,
Just as AP has the right to title as he wishes you and I have the right to be outraged by it and mouth off accordingly. I think some folks on this site just love AP and jump to his defense rapidly when someone calls him on something. I don’t think AP’s skin is nearly as thin as some of his defenders. Anyway, your comments are always appreciated and would be missed if you did not continue to contribute. Please don’t go away.
As for everyone else, This is one of the things that make this site great. We have the right and duty to disagree without fear of banning for our thoughts (unless of course you break the rules in the terms), I would just ask that we keep it civil and enjoy.
Unless of course if you are picking on csdeven ;-)
conservnut on July 28, 2007 at 9:12 AM
I suppose if I watched MSNBC I might have noticed they do the car chases as well. You missed the point, any network from BBC to XYZ would do well not to broadcast this stuff.
Bradky on July 28, 2007 at 10:03 AM
“Freaky Deaky”, after such an event what’s with all this negative comments based on semantics. I’m just waiting for the inevitable addition of a political slant.
I just received a broken DVD from Blockbuster Total Access, now that’s Freaky Deaky.
Zaire67 on July 28, 2007 at 10:20 AM
I think you are both missing the point here. Helicopters are notoriously difficult to fly and they crash often. I personally wouldn’t go up in one unless I somehow had to and even then would want a very experienced pilot.
aengus on July 28, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Good answer, its hard to tell with you.
Bad Candy on July 28, 2007 at 11:36 AM
I have seen both videos (the actual collision and it’s aftermath). Horrible to watch. My prayers go out to the reporter’s families.
I do remember watching as a desperate OJ Simpson and his pal, Al, cruising down I-10 in the White Bronco, as hundreds of patrol cars follow in “hot pursuit”. The worst part of it? I watched this via live feed through the ESPN channel? They were following the chase with their own helicopter and had the best coverage if I recall correctly. Now that’s freakyf deaky!
kiakjones on July 28, 2007 at 11:51 AM
The title IS inappropriate. And why is that AP feels the need to bully people on this site. Is it some control issue? Alienating readers pretty much sums it up…
Nineball on July 28, 2007 at 1:02 PM
Talk about turtle RIGHTS.
Why is it that no one is talking about turtle RIGHTS?
BTW, anybody like gay turtles?
CyberCipher on July 28, 2007 at 1:20 PM
This is what happens when covering a police chase comes before anything else.
It makes me sick. I understand why the 3rd reporter goes into hyperventilation. My prediction is that he will not get in a helicopter again, I wouldn’t.
Christine on July 28, 2007 at 2:41 PM
amerpundit, please don’t go away from this blog, unless you want to for other reasons. Being ignored by the masters, or being disagreed with others, good and bad, shouldn’t direct your decisions. Wear some of it as a badge of honor.
Over time, even if we might have disagreed on issues now and then, I most of the time read and appreciated your comments. You’ve also tried hard to be polite and reasonable. Sometimes even those whom we believe to be on our side act peculiar, for the strangest and often inexplicable reasons. Other times we come across ’strange’ to them. Let them be. Decide only based on your own pros/cons.
Consider also relinking your handle. Respectfully,
Entelechy on July 28, 2007 at 3:21 PM
Precisely. Additionally, I’m not pleased with the media’s concept of ’standing by and watching while crimes are continuing.’ If the helicopters had crashed while attempting to help end the chase, then I would feel a lot worse about it. As it is, they don’t want an end to the chase…most civilians get out of the way and let the police do their job…these guys hang around like vultures and want their shot to continue for as long as possible. Because of that I can’t dredge up a whole lot of sympathy for this incident, anyone’s personal connection to the victims notwithstanding.
James on July 28, 2007 at 4:36 PM
Yeah, I agree.
Christoph on July 28, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Some threads and or headlines are in poor taste but the majority are fine, in my opinion. One of the things anyone in a pubic forum must always keep in mind, it is not so much what you say as it is how others hear what you say.
Then again everyones definition of poor taste differs and as some wise man said “and that is why there is a ass for every seat”.
Wade on July 28, 2007 at 8:16 PM
I watched the video several times and did not see anything freaky deaky about it. All I saw was a bit of smoke in the distance. Is Allah drinking again?
jihadwatcher on July 28, 2007 at 10:28 PM
With all due respect, those are indeed kind words, Entelechy, but why should he? AP got cheesed, and left, thus allowing a free-for-all among posters who picked up on his anger and ran with it to settle their own little scores. Mcguyver took the opportunity to rake amerpundit over the coals, assuming an authority he had no claim to, and was never corrected on it.
Leadership. If there is no discipline on the threads, it will degenerate eventually to nothing better than a pool of piranhas.
I said before, this was one of HA’s worse threads ever - and it has nothing to do with titles, but everything to do with establishing and maintaining a modicum of respect for other people, whether one agrees with them or not. A basic level of civility. In this case, AP set the tone. It’s his blog. Fair and square. Who needs the grief? There are other blogs that don’t allow it to get out of hand.
naliaka on July 28, 2007 at 10:42 PM
naliaka, I’ve respected every word you said on this blog and now is no exception.
I’ll say that in my experience, this is one of the better blogs on which to comment.
Allahpundit, who whether he knows it or not, is one of my favourite bloggers and yet is imperfect as are we all.
Someone above accused me of being sensitive. Probably so. Anyway…
Amerpundit is one of my favourite commentators. Also, I linked from his username to his blog and found a delightful series of posts that were very thoughtful and the one that grabbed my eye immediately was about Private Beauchamp violating operational security.
Is that spam? I don’t think so, Mcguyver. This is a blog and specifically the comment section in a blog. We all share ideas including relevant links.
Aside from his username link, something allowed from Hot Air for our convenience and by design, amerpundit made no emphasis to link to his excellent posts. I did.
That’s too bad. His thinking is a resource I am beginning to appreciate. And amerpundit is invariably on point. If only we were all that thoughtful.
But the decision about that is up to Hot Air, not you. That was very condescending and, indeed, bullying of you. I hope amerpundit learns to ignore criticism more because in so far as comments indicate thinking, he’s the better man. That may well include yours truly.
Back to naliaka. Amerpundit may be none the worse off for leaving Hot Air, but we would be so I hope you don’t encourage him.
Christoph on July 28, 2007 at 11:02 PM
Impeach Allahpundit!
Ropera on July 29, 2007 at 2:05 AM
Yes, put the link back.
Wade on July 29, 2007 at 10:06 AM
What you said echoed my feelings very closely. HA is a fine blog, one of the best out there. Long enjoyed AP’s cheeky air and his ability to find off-beat and also timely videos. But a comment was competely misconstrued and the thread went badly haywire.
Bear with me, please all the way through for my point: (before anyone gets pissed):
I was not encouraging any to stay or go, either way, but pointing out what went wrong on the thread and why. Amerpundit, I could say is a poster that ANY blog would be pleased to point to as a quality commentor. That he’s invested the time and energy to begin a new blog, which is hard work, and links to it to discuss topics that interest him in more detail rather than taking up too much space on HA is common blog custom these days, but he was mocked for it and called a troll by Myguyver. The problem is this: where was the discipline by AP to tell Myguyver to chillax? Like everyone else, Myguyver seems to respect AP’s opinion and would have deferred to AP’s authority. End of it. Isn’t it AP’s call as to whether he finds a poster to fall into the unwanted troll category, not some other poster? Two guesses, AP left for dinner and a pleasant weekend cruise under the stars, and has no idea what happened, or possibly he didn’t care. Unfortunately, the result is the same.
By proclaiming that a group of bloggers were grief-meisters and such, some bloggers took that as approval to go after the others. With nothing to set the boundries, the unsuspecting amerpundit was unfairly slammed and evicerated.
Since I was the one whose “would you consider” post pushed the piss off AP button, to say that I am aghast at 1) how badly AP took it when I had nothing but good-will towards him, and 2) how it all degenerated into attacks against a number of bloggers and most spectacularly amerpundit, is putting it mildly. The circumstances to weigh in deciding to be part of any group of posters : If random posters are delegated de facto or de jure authority by any blog manager to chase voices off the thread, out of the debates and discussions, well then posters investing in the site should think twice, because sooner or later, someone will take it upon himself to pick up the club and run those he don’t like out of Dodge.
Blog thread management is NO different than managing an office staff. The managing boss lays down the rules and expectations, and the staff complies. If all feel that even though they aren’t all liked, but are all treated fairly, it works. The moment some employees feel they have the upper hand with the boss, or the boss broadcasts that he don’t like one or two or a group of them, then the situation breaks down as one clique begin to manipulate against the other staff. It’s tough to be a good boss - he has to hide his feelings so that his staff which is always watching him closely for clues won’t make assumptions they shouldn’t.
I sincerely hope that this comment is taken as a discussion of the DYNAMICS of what happened, NOT as a PERSONAL affront to ANYONE.
As for me, if I am constantly misunderstood, and manage to piss off people I didn’t want to piss off, I’ve got to get my ego to accept that my writing isn’t as good as I had imagined it to be. I was going to ask amerpundit for his link, but not sure he’d be happy to see me show up.
naliaka on July 29, 2007 at 10:47 AM
naliaka,
You have to read this link here in its entirety down to the bottom.
Warning, it’s an analysis by conservative blog “johnny dollar’s place” about awful hate speech recently directed at Michelle, and it shows how despicable a blog thread can really get.
So there IS a difference between even this thread and the threads of many of our “progressive” brethren.
FYI, I got the link off of today’s Hot Air homepage in the “HEADLINES” section.
Also, when you read down to the end (please do: it’s fairly short) you’ll see an example of a certain term used.
Christoph on July 29, 2007 at 1:03 PM
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