Comments on: Surprise! “Loose Change” producer arrested for deserting the Army

By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Report: “Loose Change” producer back with his unit, headin’ out to Iraq

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:52:12 +0000

[...] Here’s the background in case you missed part one — or, as the Loosers prefer, the “first edition” — of this story last week. Oneonta film producer Korey Rowe has been returned to his unit, which is gearing up for its third deployment to Iraq since Operation Iraqi Freedom began in March 2003… [...]

By: Leaning Straight Up

Leaning Straight Up — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:48:50 +0000

Truther faces the truth: He is an Army deserter…

You would think he would have been nailed long before. He was active constantly in his never ending quest to convince people his wild theories are true, did it never occur to him that his own truth would be exposed?

The story comes from News…

By: 91Veteran

91Veteran — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:10:30 +0000

He might get a DD out of this, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see some lib group assist him in upgrading his discharge at some point.
It’s no longer the stigma it used to be. Granted, as some have said, it would follow him, but then it has become rather easy to get an upgrade…not speaking from direct experience, but from other cases I have read about.

I still wonder if Kerry didn’t get some sort of upgrade of his own.

By: malclave

malclave — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:26:03 +0000

Not that I’m suggesting we adapt the political system Heinlein wrote about in Starship Troopers… but IIRC, the punishment there for desertion was a dishonorable discharge and 50 lashes.

I’m just sayin’…

By: MilBlogs

MilBlogs — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:29:27 +0000

I Almost Prosecuted “Loose Change” Producer Korey Rowe…

From Hotair comes news that “Loose Change” producer Korey Rowe was picked up on a deserter warrant. I came about THIS close to prosecuting him. Here’s how desertions work: Depending on where he deserted from, he would either return to……

By: Helloyawl

Helloyawl — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:44:13 +0000

I live next to an Army base and many of the Soldiers I know served tours ranging from 4 to 18 months. Most major units Battalions and Brigades served 12 – 15 months. Smaller units like seperate Companies, Detachments and Platoons served 6-9 month tours. We had a unit return last week that was in Iraq for 6 months. Another departed a couple of days ago that is scheduled for a 9 month tour.

I just talked with an active duty 1SGT friend of mine. He told me that 10 and 11 month tours are quite common.

By: xplodeit

xplodeit — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:15:42 +0000

Are 11-month tours normal?

My girlfrends daughter (3ID) was in Iraq for 11 months in 2006.

By: gary

gary — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:12:57 +0000

Aw well, the kid will have something to tell his grandkids about…..how he “served” his country.

By: Rusty Bill

Rusty Bill — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:13:38 +0000

Since Army and navy folks have already spoken up, I’ll put in the word for the Air Force. As with the other services, little effort is made to locate and return Air Force deserters. It’s the usual issuance of a warrant, then wait until the deserter is picked up on something else. A discharge “under other than honorable circumstances” is issued and the record is closed. There are, of course, likely exceptions. Personnel with cryptographic, nuclear or some weapons systems specialties may be actively sought and returned for security reasons.

By: profitsbeard

profitsbeard — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:59:13 +0000

Isn’t “Change” in the title a typo for “Brains“?

(Held in place with copious amounts of fresh tinfoil.)

By: Jim Treacher

Jim Treacher — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:57:12 +0000

Click here to listen to Rowe getting dismantled by the evil Opie & Anthony.

By: Blog-o-Fascists

Blog-o-Fascists — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:30:09 +0000

9/11 Truther Movie Loose Change Producer Arrested for Desertion…

NewsBusters.org – Exposing Liberal Media Bias

You can’t possibly make this up: the producer of the 9/11 truther film "Loose Change" was arrested Monday for – wait for it! – deserting the Army. As reported Wednesday by the Daily Star (h/t H…

By: m1a1usmc

m1a1usmc — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:23:36 +0000

11 month tours

Possible reasons…
1) he got caught with a ~~insurgent~~, goat
2) got pregnant (from said goat)
3) hardship (goat died)
4) nobody could tolerate his crazy ranting anymore

By: armylawyer

armylawyer — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:40:29 +0000

Some administrative corrections.

If he is not court-martialed, he will not get a dishonorable discharge. A DD is the harshest form of punitive discharge. If administratively separated, Rowe would get (at most) an Other than Honorable (OTH) discharge pursuant to a discharge in lieu of court-martial under AR 635-200, Chapter 10. An OTH is the worst form of administrative discharge an enlisted soldier can get. (FYI: Rowe was a PFC)

Most “desertions” aren’t court-martialed because they are junior soldiers that desert early in their tours. They are deemed deserters when they are AWOL for 30 straight days and are dropped from the rolls. That’s what prompts the “deserter” warrant.

Each case is unique. But many cases are similar.

By: Wade

Wade — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:32:01 +0000

Yeah, that is weird. It’s been 3 years since he supposedly deserted, so why did it take this long?

mram on July 25, 2007 at 11:40 AM

And Congress wants us to trust the government to be serious on any new immigration laws. Hell, we can not keep track of our own military.

By: Claimsratt

Claimsratt — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:02:57 +0000

I’m told that currently the Army is 12 months (mob to demob). My unit was mobilized in Oct 2004, hit Iraq on Dec 24, 2004 and return to the US on 14 Dec 2005. Finally demobed around 19 Dec 2005.

By: Mazztek

Mazztek — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:34:36 +0000

11 month tours

My boss is in CAG, and they are being requested for 13 months all together. The regional govenors are requesting that so they have them there longer. The shorter tours weren’t accomplishing anything.

Some units, by mission, can be extended forlonger. Marines are usually 7 month tours unless extended, Army 12.

– SSgt, USMC-R

By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Audio: Ron Paul shocked to find he’s associated with Trutherism

Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:31:52 +0000

[...] Between this and the Korey Rowe “situation,” it’s the darkest day for Truthers since fire melted that steel overpass in Oakland. Lifted wholesale from the SLC boys, for the second time today. We might as well make them guest posters. [...]

By: georgej

georgej — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:57:17 +0000

“He is being held without bail in the Otsego County jail and is waiting to be picked up by U.S. Army officials”

YES!

He may not get prison, but he will almost certainly get a Dishonerable Discharge. And that does have consequences. For example, certain careers are closed to him as a dishonerable discharge is an automatic disqualifier (teacher, lawyer, bank employee). He can’t legally own firearms. In some locales, he can’t run for elective office or vote. He can’t work for the federal government or hold certain state/local government jobs.

A dishonerable discharge will show up in any pre-employment background check, and it will affect his credit-worthyness. It puts him at the BACK OF THE LINE for certain state and federal benefits as well.

A dishonerable discharge is a MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. And it will follow him for as long as he lives.

As to enhancing his credibility as a truther? I doubt it. Not to the general public, once it finds out. A DD is *NOT* a badge of honor, not yet anyway.

By: Ryan Gandy

Ryan Gandy — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:55:46 +0000

Who’da thunk?

By: JetBoy

JetBoy — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:46:52 +0000

I think it really was a ufo, piloted by Bigfoot, and designed by Jimmy Hoffa, that crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11. Just as a side note, if anyone hasn't seen the Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics debate from last year, it's HERE on gootube. It's part one of five, but you'll see the rest there.

By: ic1redeye

ic1redeye — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:45:11 +0000

I’m interested on what spin the TRUTHERs will put on this. As a few others have said, the military just puts their APB out and 98% of the time they get caught on a traffic ticket or some other mundane charge. When I worked at the Navy Transient Personnel Unit in San Diego back in 1999 as a brig chaser for a few months, I talked to one of the Navy Collection Agents when they brought in a guy for us to hold. I asked him what was the longest someone was UA that he knew about. He said that one guy was picked up after being gone for 34 years. He had come back from Nam and thought he had been discharged. They picked him up coming back across the border at San Ysidro. He owned a business that was on both sides of the border and crossed back and forth almost every day, then one day someone recognized him and that was that.

By: PresidenToor

PresidenToor — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:14:35 +0000

How did they miss snaring this tool at the dozens of media appearances he’s made in the past few years to promote his agitprop?

Ahem, were talking about the government here not some Hollywood movie where agents could perhaps come busting in a camera filled event.

By: jaybird

jaybird — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:50:23 +0000

I am very happy the coward got caught. For those who are unfamiliar with the military. I can’t speak for the other services but the Navy rarely goes out hunting deserters. They put warrants out and wait for the person to be caught by the police. When I was stationed on a ship in Norfolk VA in 2000 a kid went Unauthorized absence about 1 1/2 months prior to deployment about 3 weeks prior to the deployment he was being brought back to the ship. He got caught being drunk on an Air Force base while he was UA (AWOL for oldtimers).

By: TheEJS

TheEJS — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:30:41 +0000

Will he get an update or his own separate section in the kos’ “Killitary”?

Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t read the article right. He’ll have the “koskidz: deserves congressional medal of honor” entry for standing up to “The Man”.

Ron Paul Burgandy, 2011!