Surprise! “Loose Change” producer arrested for deserting the Army

posted at 11:32 am on July 25, 2007 by Allahpundit

Via the boys at SLC, who through a herculean effort have managed to suppress their bubbling schadenfreude at the news.

An Oneonta man who helped produce a 9/11 conspiracy documentary that became an Internet hit was arrested Monday for allegedly deserting the Army.

Korey Rowe, 24, a veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, was picked up by deputies at about 10:45 p.m. Monday, Otsego County Sheriff Richard Devlin Jr. said…

Rowe was arrested on a “military warrant” that Devlin said was brought to the attention of deputies by the Oneonta Police Department, who received information from a source outside of that department…

After deputies received the information from Oneonta police, they reached out to the Army, and officials from Fort Knox faxed a copy of the warrant, deputies said…

He is being held without bail in the Otsego County jail and is waiting to be picked up by U.S. Army officials, Devlin said.

He won’t be court-martialed — few deserters are, per the article, and if he is it’ll only be used as further proof of, ahem, “the conspiracy” — but I’m curious to find out when he went AWOL. According to him, he did six months in Kandahar in 2002 and then not quite 11 months in Kuwait and Iraq from February 2003 to January 2004. Question to vets: Are 11-month tours normal? I’m assuming he must have done a full tour and then come home as it would have been difficult, to say the least, for him to escape while on duty and hitch a ride back to the States. And a follow-up question: How did they miss snaring this tool at the dozens of media appearances he’s made in the past few years to promote his agitprop?

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O schadenfreude, how sweet the sound.

Allahu akbar, indeed!

locomotivebreath1901 on July 25, 2007 at 11:33 AM

And how is his desertion just coming out now when he’s been such an attention whore for so long?

Pablo on July 25, 2007 at 11:38 AM

I question the timing…. seems a bit late…

Romeo13 on July 25, 2007 at 11:39 AM

How did they miss snaring this tool at the dozens of media appearances he’s made in the past few years to promote his agitprop?

Yeah, that is weird. It’s been 3 years since he supposedly deserted, so why did it take this long? Too many gaps in the story. I hope more details come out, or else the troofers will jump all over this.

mram on July 25, 2007 at 11:40 AM

i’m curious why he’s sign up for the military; when the government who gives the military orders arranged the mass murder of its own citizens?

lorien1973 on July 25, 2007 at 11:41 AM

He should do another film in Jail called Loose Stool.

Egfrow on July 25, 2007 at 11:42 AM

I don’t know how it is now but when I was in the service the Marines were the only branch that actively sought out deserters. They were usually held at Quantico for thirty days as their dishonorables were being processed then let go. That’s the only thing I know of that would explain how he went so long without being picked up but there is that warrant, so maybe 911 changed that too.

srhoades on July 25, 2007 at 11:43 AM

AHA! I KNEW IT! It was only a matter of time before the government clamped down on people speaking the truth!!

See, the whole deal, the whole deal, is like this, okay, is like this:

Wait until they release the film, right? Wait until everyone knows the truth, right?

Then start arresting them. To stifle the voice of truth. After it’s spoken.

See?

MadisonConservative on July 25, 2007 at 11:44 AM

Heh.

Jaibones on July 25, 2007 at 11:45 AM

“troofers” haha

Even the Military, which is populated with our best, every once in a while let’s a nimrod like this one get in. Hell, even “Kos” sack was in the Army.

Tony737 on July 25, 2007 at 11:46 AM

And a follow-up question: How did they miss snaring this tool at the dozens of media appearances he’s made in the past few years to promote his agitprop?

AllahPundit

Nah…too good to check.

Jaibones on July 25, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Wonder if he’s been writing for TNR….

ticticboom on July 25, 2007 at 11:46 AM

“Loose Stool” Bwah hahaha!

“The Army conspired to put me in a cell with ‘Nick the Dick’ as punishment … but really I like it!”

Tony737 on July 25, 2007 at 11:49 AM

in 2004 the policy on tours was 365 boots on the ground. Also, the military doesn’t actively hunt down deserters. They have a database that civilian law enforcement can check against. Most deserters are found after getting picked up for something else.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 25, 2007 at 11:49 AM

“Is that the foot-long?”

“And THEN some.”

Tony737 on July 25, 2007 at 11:50 AM

How is it that state and local police have the time to pick up military deserters but not illegal aliens?

JackStraw on July 25, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Wonder if he’s been writing for TNR….

On that note, have you seen what Dean Barnett has to say about Foer?

JiangxiDad on July 25, 2007 at 11:55 AM

Jason Bermas is the brains of the operation. He’s the fella they put on TV. Apparently, he’s the strongest of the three in facing live media questions.

gabriel sutherland on July 25, 2007 at 11:55 AM

sorry

JiangxiDad on July 25, 2007 at 11:56 AM

dont know how to put in the link

JiangxiDad on July 25, 2007 at 11:56 AM

How long has it been since we shot deserters?

shooter on July 25, 2007 at 11:56 AM

JiangxiDad on July 25, 2007 at 11:58 AM

JiangxiDad on July 25, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Copy the address of the story, highlight the word(s) in your comment that you wish to use as a hyperlink, click “link” above the comment box, and paste the address in the box that comes up.

Jaibones on July 25, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Foer story in townhall

JiangxiDad on July 25, 2007 at 12:05 PM

tks Jai

JiangxiDad on July 25, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Question to vets: Are 11-month tours normal?

Not the norm but possible.
When I was on my first tour with the 82nd (2003-2004) we were sent to Iraq for 6 months but extended to eight total.

So odd tour months are possible.

Trooper on July 25, 2007 at 12:11 PM

How did they miss snaring this tool at the dozens of media appearances he’s made in the past few years to promote his agitprop?

Deserters aren’t sought. Their names are added to the list and if they are stopped by the police and their name is run then they get arrested. Some deserters get caught 20 and 30 years later.

Theworldisnotenough on July 25, 2007 at 12:15 PM

There just aren’t enough violins to play for this fella. Just not enough….

Ref odd tours….
My son’s first was 11 months…so yeah it is possible.

Limerick on July 25, 2007 at 12:21 PM

NWO! NWO11!! Bohemian Grove! Fascism!

Bwahahahaha!

Good Lt on July 25, 2007 at 12:21 PM

MadisonConservative on July 25, 2007 at 11:44 AM

LOL! You are fluent in Moonbatese, MadisonConservative! If only it weren’t so true…

crazy_legs on July 25, 2007 at 12:24 PM

JackStraw on July 25, 2007 at 11:53 AM

See, he’s an American citizen. He’s in the country legally. They have no problem arresting him. Now, if you’re in this country illegally, are abusing our social services, and demanding more rights, who do you think they are? Hertz Law enforcement?

amerpundit on July 25, 2007 at 12:26 PM

I just hope Ron Paul gets elected so this man can get a pardon for his selfless sacrifice in the name of liberty.

Keljeck on July 25, 2007 at 12:27 PM

See, he’s an American citizen. He’s in the country legally. They have no problem arresting him. Now, if you’re in this country illegally, are abusing our social services, and demanding more rights, who do you think they are? Hertz Law enforcement?

That’s how my last comment was supposed to come out.

amerpundit on July 25, 2007 at 12:27 PM

The arresting officer’s name: Marvin Bush

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 25, 2007 at 12:45 PM

Doh…I cant believe you guys are missing the obvious…He tipped the authorities off himself to “up” the publicity of “Loose Change”…

doriangrey on July 25, 2007 at 12:47 PM

doriangrey on July 25, 2007 at 12:47 PM

Or Dylan said “People are calling us troofers now and wondering why, if this is the truth, we haven’t been silenced…anyone got a warrant out?”

MadisonConservative on July 25, 2007 at 12:51 PM

the Army generally does not “go after” deserters per se. They will issue the warrant and if the offender gets stopped for any reason the warrant will show up. The officer of any agency who stops the deserter sees the warrant, and then arrests the deserter. The department that arrests the deserter then contacts the nearest Army facility and they will send the MP’s to come pick up the deserter. That is how the system worked two years ago when I retired, the Army does not generally change standard procedure rapidly so I cannot imagine it has changed since my retirement.

usarmyretired on July 25, 2007 at 12:56 PM

BohicaTwentyTwo,

Seriously? Oh…that is too funny.

Rightwingsparkle on July 25, 2007 at 12:59 PM

Question to vets: Are 11-month tours normal?

When I was in the Army, ’84 – ’89, my first PDS was Ft. Knox. My time there was fifteen months, As far as I know I would have been stationed there for my entire enlistment but for requesting and being granted Airborne training. After Benning I was sent to Panama. That tour was for a fixed period of time, 24 months, standard for enlisted personnel at the time. I had to extend for 12 months for the Army to pay for my wife and our personal belongings to be shipped over. I don’t remember having heard of any Stateside duty being a set time period, (less schools and training) but that is not to say it didn’t happen.

That being said, if this shitbird was stationed overseas, he could have been granted Leave and simply not returned.

Swinehound on July 25, 2007 at 1:17 PM

if you think about it, getting a dishonorable discharge would be a resume enhancer for him. it is possible that the military avoided making this a big deal so as not to help him profit from his “disgrace.”

The Gunslinger on July 25, 2007 at 1:20 PM

Will he get an update or his own separate section in the kos’ “Killitary”?

Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t read the article right. He’ll have the “koskidz: deserves congressional medal of honor” entry for standing up to “The Man”.

Ron Paul Burgandy, 2011!

TheEJS on July 25, 2007 at 1:30 PM

I am very happy the coward got caught. For those who are unfamiliar with the military. I can’t speak for the other services but the Navy rarely goes out hunting deserters. They put warrants out and wait for the person to be caught by the police. When I was stationed on a ship in Norfolk VA in 2000 a kid went Unauthorized absence about 1 1/2 months prior to deployment about 3 weeks prior to the deployment he was being brought back to the ship. He got caught being drunk on an Air Force base while he was UA (AWOL for oldtimers).

jaybird on July 25, 2007 at 1:50 PM

How did they miss snaring this tool at the dozens of media appearances he’s made in the past few years to promote his agitprop?

Ahem, were talking about the government here not some Hollywood movie where agents could perhaps come busting in a camera filled event.

PresidenToor on July 25, 2007 at 2:14 PM

I’m interested on what spin the TRUTHERs will put on this. As a few others have said, the military just puts their APB out and 98% of the time they get caught on a traffic ticket or some other mundane charge. When I worked at the Navy Transient Personnel Unit in San Diego back in 1999 as a brig chaser for a few months, I talked to one of the Navy Collection Agents when they brought in a guy for us to hold. I asked him what was the longest someone was UA that he knew about. He said that one guy was picked up after being gone for 34 years. He had come back from Nam and thought he had been discharged. They picked him up coming back across the border at San Ysidro. He owned a business that was on both sides of the border and crossed back and forth almost every day, then one day someone recognized him and that was that.

ic1redeye on July 25, 2007 at 2:45 PM

I think it really was a ufo, piloted by Bigfoot, and designed by Jimmy Hoffa, that crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11.

Just as a side note, if anyone hasn’t seen the Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics debate from last year, it’s HERE on gootube. It’s part one of five, but you’ll see the rest there.

JetBoy on July 25, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Who’da thunk?

Ryan Gandy on July 25, 2007 at 2:55 PM

“He is being held without bail in the Otsego County jail and is waiting to be picked up by U.S. Army officials”

YES!

He may not get prison, but he will almost certainly get a Dishonerable Discharge. And that does have consequences. For example, certain careers are closed to him as a dishonerable discharge is an automatic disqualifier (teacher, lawyer, bank employee). He can’t legally own firearms. In some locales, he can’t run for elective office or vote. He can’t work for the federal government or hold certain state/local government jobs.

A dishonerable discharge will show up in any pre-employment background check, and it will affect his credit-worthyness. It puts him at the BACK OF THE LINE for certain state and federal benefits as well.

A dishonerable discharge is a MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. And it will follow him for as long as he lives.

As to enhancing his credibility as a truther? I doubt it. Not to the general public, once it finds out. A DD is *NOT* a badge of honor, not yet anyway.

georgej on July 25, 2007 at 2:57 PM

11 month tours

My boss is in CAG, and they are being requested for 13 months all together. The regional govenors are requesting that so they have them there longer. The shorter tours weren’t accomplishing anything.

Some units, by mission, can be extended forlonger. Marines are usually 7 month tours unless extended, Army 12.

– SSgt, USMC-R

Mazztek on July 25, 2007 at 3:34 PM

I’m told that currently the Army is 12 months (mob to demob). My unit was mobilized in Oct 2004, hit Iraq on Dec 24, 2004 and return to the US on 14 Dec 2005. Finally demobed around 19 Dec 2005.

Claimsratt on July 25, 2007 at 4:02 PM

Yeah, that is weird. It’s been 3 years since he supposedly deserted, so why did it take this long?

mram on July 25, 2007 at 11:40 AM

And Congress wants us to trust the government to be serious on any new immigration laws. Hell, we can not keep track of our own military.

Wade on July 25, 2007 at 4:32 PM

Some administrative corrections.

If he is not court-martialed, he will not get a dishonorable discharge. A DD is the harshest form of punitive discharge. If administratively separated, Rowe would get (at most) an Other than Honorable (OTH) discharge pursuant to a discharge in lieu of court-martial under AR 635-200, Chapter 10. An OTH is the worst form of administrative discharge an enlisted soldier can get. (FYI: Rowe was a PFC)

Most “desertions” aren’t court-martialed because they are junior soldiers that desert early in their tours. They are deemed deserters when they are AWOL for 30 straight days and are dropped from the rolls. That’s what prompts the “deserter” warrant.

Each case is unique. But many cases are similar.

armylawyer on July 25, 2007 at 4:40 PM

11 month tours

Possible reasons…
1) he got caught with a insurgent, goat
2) got pregnant (from said goat)
3) hardship (goat died)
4) nobody could tolerate his crazy ranting anymore

m1a1usmc on July 25, 2007 at 5:23 PM

Click here to listen to Rowe getting dismantled by the evil Opie & Anthony.

Jim Treacher on July 25, 2007 at 5:57 PM

Isn’t “Change” in the title a typo for “Brains“?

(Held in place with copious amounts of fresh tinfoil.)

profitsbeard on July 25, 2007 at 5:59 PM

Since Army and navy folks have already spoken up, I’ll put in the word for the Air Force. As with the other services, little effort is made to locate and return Air Force deserters. It’s the usual issuance of a warrant, then wait until the deserter is picked up on something else. A discharge “under other than honorable circumstances” is issued and the record is closed. There are, of course, likely exceptions. Personnel with cryptographic, nuclear or some weapons systems specialties may be actively sought and returned for security reasons.

Rusty Bill on July 25, 2007 at 6:13 PM

Aw well, the kid will have something to tell his grandkids about…..how he “served” his country.

gary on July 25, 2007 at 7:12 PM

Are 11-month tours normal?

My girlfrends daughter (3ID) was in Iraq for 11 months in 2006.

xplodeit on July 25, 2007 at 7:15 PM

I live next to an Army base and many of the Soldiers I know served tours ranging from 4 to 18 months. Most major units Battalions and Brigades served 12 – 15 months. Smaller units like seperate Companies, Detachments and Platoons served 6-9 month tours. We had a unit return last week that was in Iraq for 6 months. Another departed a couple of days ago that is scheduled for a 9 month tour.

I just talked with an active duty 1SGT friend of mine. He told me that 10 and 11 month tours are quite common.

Helloyawl on July 25, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Not that I’m suggesting we adapt the political system Heinlein wrote about in Starship Troopers… but IIRC, the punishment there for desertion was a dishonorable discharge and 50 lashes.

I’m just sayin’…

malclave on July 25, 2007 at 11:26 PM

He might get a DD out of this, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see some lib group assist him in upgrading his discharge at some point.
It’s no longer the stigma it used to be. Granted, as some have said, it would follow him, but then it has become rather easy to get an upgrade…not speaking from direct experience, but from other cases I have read about.

I still wonder if Kerry didn’t get some sort of upgrade of his own.

91Veteran on July 26, 2007 at 12:10 AM