New York magazine: Fred just might be enough of a lowbrow phony to get nominated; Update: Fred replaces campaign manager
posted at 1:20 pm on July 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
Half as nasty and twice as fun as that New Statesman sneer I posted in headlines the other day but the gist is the same, i.e., he’s a lightweight with little to recommend him except personal charm and a keen feel for the role conservatives want him to play. Money:
After getting the high sign from Thompson, Ingram began talking up a Thompson candidacy on Capitol Hill, where Ingram now works as Lamar Alexander’s chief of staff. “I was at the Capitol Hill Club at Bill Hecht’s table,” recalls Ingram, name-dropping the presence of a prominent Republican lobbyist. “Congressmen and lobbyists were coming up to me, and they were all really excited. It’s the closest thing to a presidential draft in my lifetime,” Ingram insists. I asked him whether the well-heeled well-wishers were familiar with Thompson from his Senate days. He hemmed and hawed a bit. “Well no, they mostly know him more from Law & Order than the Senate, but Fred’s not acting on the show. That’s exactly the way Fred was in his Senate office.”…
Thompson’s strongest card, his backers say, is his Hollywood-fueled image of strength. “People think that with presidential candidates, you need a lot of information about them,” says Tony Fabrizio, a GOP pollster not affiliated with any of the presidential campaigns. “That’s wrong. It’s all about the concept. He has the Schwarzenegger Factor. Just like it’s impossible to make Schwarzenegger look weak because people see him as the Terminator, voters see Fred as the tough-talking D.A. or the captain in Hunt for Red October. It’s powerful.”
Take advantage of the slow news day to gobble it up, keeping an eye out for the trip to the gun store and the obligatory quasi-zoological conservatives-in-their-natural habitat vignette at the end, where Fred’s laughter at one of Larry the Cable Guy’s fart jokes prompts a sad reflection on how voters prefer likeability to the rich substantive appeal of, oh, say, a Barack Obama. Exit question designed to make you read the piece: To whom did Fred once write, “The speech probably would not have seemed so long to some of us if you hadn’t been putting the wood to us so effectively”?
Update: Considering he’s already ahead in some national polls, I’ve got believe this is less a case of punishing his acting CM than simply making room for an old Washington hand who can run the campaign better.










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doriangrey,
Who is Al? csdeven? Or the Bi-atch?
Miss_Anthrope on July 24, 2007 at 4:40 PM
kowboy is right (for once),
Most of us are just having some fun. There are a few that haven’t figured it out, but they can’t really be blamed. It LOOKS pretty bad sometimes.
We all know that whoever the rep nominee is, they will get our vote. As a matter of fact, we are going to have a get together in San Diego to have a drink after the nomination.
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 4:41 PM
Out of respect in the last 10-15 yrs.,Pat has always been offered the men’s coaching job when it was open…
DCJeff on July 24, 2007 at 4:41 PM
Note:
Regarding his new campaign manager, Spencer Abraham, wikipedia says:
“Abraham was a consistent advocate of Open Borders and worked relentlessly to weaken immigration controls and regulations. For example, in 1997 he received the Congressional Award from the National Council of La Raza [7]“
Big S on July 24, 2007 at 4:42 PM
Damn, Big S, beat me to the punch.
JackStraw on July 24, 2007 at 4:43 PM
I’m proud of you! Whether you’ll admit it or not you’ve came a long way since the early debates! At least you have’nt pitched in with the I might not vote crowd!!!
DCJeff on July 24, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Let me see:
Too attack Fred you have to quote MediaMatters and Dick Morris.
OK,I give up, you can’t beat those two for truth and unbiased reporting.
Down with Fred! MediaMatters hates him and so does Dick Morris. Hang Fred, shoot him, why he even hired his son and gave him a cush job…the first candidate to ever do that.
If you Fred haters were banned from using Google or MediaMatters you would have nothing to say.
right2bright on July 24, 2007 at 4:45 PM
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 4:41 PM
Have we actually picked a place yet?
doriangrey on July 24, 2007 at 4:45 PM
Ok, here’s one I use to describe John Edwards, because of his obsession with his appearance.
“You can’t polish a turd. No matter how shiny you get it, it’s still a turd.”
Kowboy on July 24, 2007 at 4:46 PM
Spencer Abraham? Why him? Fred better not be dumb enough to screw us on immigration, he’ll be down to Bush approval numbers during Shamnesty quicker than he can blurt out one of his homespun musings.
Bad Candy on July 24, 2007 at 4:48 PM
DCJeff on July 24, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Actually that has always been his position, even in the beginning he said right up front he was voting for whoever got the nomination.
doriangrey on July 24, 2007 at 4:48 PM
Bad Candy on July 24, 2007 at 4:48 PM
Yep, cause thats a dog that just wont hunt.
doriangrey on July 24, 2007 at 4:49 PM
Croce’s in San Diego is a good one, but nothing like Busalacchi’s.
Maybe Fred will buy, he won’t be doing much.
right2bright on July 24, 2007 at 4:51 PM
BTW, the reference for the wikipedia article is an NRO piece (Krikorian.)
Big S on July 24, 2007 at 4:53 PM
All I can say about the new guy is this:
No matter for whom they work and ‘advise’ these staffers will HAVE to toe the line of the candidate if their mind is already made up.
I worked for a Congressional candidtate (made it to the House & is still there), and had to do exactly the same. It didn’t matter if it was for his campaigns or when I was hired for a stint on the Hill.
I even told him I didn’t agree with everything he believed. He didn’t care, as long as I could put myself in his shoes…because I was there to represent HIS view, not MINE.
I know you all know this, but I just wanted to verbalize it.
:)
Miss_Anthrope on July 24, 2007 at 4:54 PM
FYI – I know NOTHING of Abraham’s background, and what I’ve seen I don’t like.
Miss_Anthrope on July 24, 2007 at 4:55 PM
right2bright on July 24, 2007 at 4:51 PM
I was thinking Humphrey’s, but Croce’s is pretty cool.
doriangrey on July 24, 2007 at 4:56 PM
Miss_Anthrope on July 24, 2007 at 4:40 PM
Sorry just an oblique reference to the fact that cs is married and has children.
doriangrey on July 24, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Spencer Abraham – deputy chief of staff to Dan Quayle 1990. Quayle was a conservative to the bone – so that’s a good sign.
jaime on July 24, 2007 at 4:59 PM
I get so tired of hearing the “You Fred supporters only like him because of the characters he has played in the movies and TV.” meme.
I was a fan of his from seeing him on the Senate floor, Senate investigative committees. etc. I loved it that he talked to high powered people and even his Senate ‘fraternity brothers’ ‘like a dutch uncle’ when he thought they were wrong or lying.
When I saw Hunt for Red October, I thought… Wow, that guy sure sounds and looks like my favorite Senator… Then in Die Hard 2 I discovered that my favorite Senator was indeed also in movies. And I have never watched Law and Order, even though it had my favorite ex-Senator in it.
But Yeah, I always thought that Fred was an actor in the John Wayne mode: They both play themselves, they don’t play the character. Not a darn thing wrong with that if you can get the job.
There have been a few things that Fred has done as a Senator that were a disappointment to me, and I’m concerned about the billing records thing; Maybe he is even a lazy phony like a bunch of you folks believe. But even with that, I still think he would be a better President overall than any of the other front runners.
Duncan Hunter would be my guy if I thought he had a chance. But barring a miracle, 2008 is not his year. Of course IMHO the perfect GOP candidate for 2008 would be Hunter’s near flawless conservative record and seriousness combined with Fred’s personality and larger than life stature.
Not sure if there is time to do it, but would a gene-spliced clone be permitted Constitutionally to serve as President? Half Hunter , Half Thompson, season with a dash of Tancredo, and you got something.
The sad reality is that as it stands now, Even if he is as big a ‘phony’ as some of you people believe, Fred is the most electable (potential) Republican candidate out there this season.
If the Democrats had any really decent candidates I’d be absolutely in despair right now instead of merely depressed and worried over the future of the country. ALL the Dems have so many negatives that (barring MASSIVE vote fraud), there is a slight chance that a Republican might win because the ‘moderates’ have slightly more common sense and sense of self-preservation than I think they do.
LegendHasIt on July 24, 2007 at 5:01 PM
doriangrey on July 24, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Thanks…that’s what I thought, but I always like to make sure.
Miss_Anthrope on July 24, 2007 at 5:02 PM
I think campaign advisors have a bigger role in setting policy than we’d like to think. Karl Rove comes to mind.
Big S on July 24, 2007 at 5:03 PM
Nevahhhh!
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 5:09 PM
Sigh. Another sad reality.
Spirit of 1776 on July 24, 2007 at 5:14 PM
I think a lot of people want to believe that, but freds? credentials are becoming thinner as more is known about him. The less we knew, the better he looked. That is not a good sign.
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 5:15 PM
If nothing else it shows Fred has an amazingly tin ear for his base. How in the hell do you name an open borders supporter as your campaign manager in this climate?
JackStraw on July 24, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Spirit of 1776 on July 24, 2007 at 5:14 PM
Yea, I’m not liking that to much, but until I see evidence to the contrary (his actions not his past record) I’m going with what Miss_Anthrope said.
doriangrey on July 24, 2007 at 5:18 PM
JackStraw on July 24, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Thats a damn good question, if Fred answers it like Miss_Anthrope did I guess I’m going to be OK with it, if not we could have some problems.
doriangrey on July 24, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Wow, nobody gives me a countdown.
Anyway, what was I saying last time about Fred’s two best known features are “being an actor on Law & Order” and “flubbing up of Campaign Finance Reform?”
Didn’t I say he’s an unremarkable Senator who was basically just a cookie cutter Republican?
In other (older, uncovered) news it appears Fred gave 178G’s to his son’s consulting company.
Fred Thompson Ends Fund That Paid $178,000 to Son :
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/fred_thompson_e.html
Fred Thompson Shuts Down His PAC–And There Goes His Son’s Income:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/05/4489_fred_thompson_s.html
Now, I’m not saying that Fred is just making sure the family is well taken care of, but some people might accuse him of cronyism (even before office, no less). It’s clear he’s the Beltway Boys choice. Don’t we all love those DC Insiders?
The thin vineer which covers the fraud and charlatan that is Fred is collapsing, and he hasn’t even announced yet. As I hypothesized, probably part of his bold new strategy to avoid a debate with other Republican contenders and skirt in while he still has a fame train to ride.
BKennedy on July 24, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Because Fred has already come out strongly in opposition to the amnesty bill and in favor of enforcement? Would anyone really expect that a candidate’s campaign manager and other campaign staff privately agrees 100% with the candidate on every issue?
I’m sure if we took a microscope to the senior campaign staff of the other candidates we’d find disagreements as well. It’s meaningless unless Fred made the highly unlikely move of completely changing his position.
Hollowpoint on July 24, 2007 at 5:23 PM
Why hire him unless he is buddy-buddy with him and agrees with him on things. When I think of Spencer Abraham the first words that come to mind are not “competent” and “winner.”
Big S on July 24, 2007 at 5:28 PM
I wonder if Michael Dukakis’ campaign manager liked tanks.
BKennedy on July 24, 2007 at 5:33 PM
That sounds too harsh. I’m just saying that there must be better political advisors than controversial (to the base) single term Senators.
Big S on July 24, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Ouch, speaking for myself, Fred just took his first big hit! He’s going to have to put forth some effort explaining and solidifying his position on open borders, amnesty and national sovereignty in general before he’s going to have any change of getting my support.
FloatingRock on July 24, 2007 at 5:37 PM
He wasn’t just a single term Senator. He was the chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee. Here’s what NR had to say about Senator Abraham in 1997.
Guess what happened in 2000 to Senator Abraham? If nothing else, this will call attention to Fred’s less than stellar immigration record.
JackStraw on July 24, 2007 at 5:39 PM
G
Ouch, baby. Very ouch.
Spirit of 1776 on July 24, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Geraghty’s got all sorts of info and ugly rumors.
Big S on July 24, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Oh, this is long overdue but I came in late:
Fredheads singing “LA LA LA LA LA” and burying head in sand in 5..4..3..2..1…
BKennedy on July 24, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Oh what the heck, let’s go ahead and take a look at Fred’s immigration record.
Now what was it all you Fred heads said, its not the rhetoric its the record? Or did I get that backwards?
JackStraw on July 24, 2007 at 5:47 PM
Until I learn more about the nuances of Fred’s position on the border situation I’m switching from a Fred!? to a
Fred?.FloatingRock on July 24, 2007 at 5:49 PM
But… but… the Fred Thompson IN MY MIND is the perfect conservative. He’ll kick the illegals out, he’ll repeal McCain-Feingold, he’s always been pro-life and pro-second amendment! Fred is even known for being the best DA New York ever had! Not only that but he can fly and has X-Ray vision. None can stop Fred, he has no weakness but Kryptonite!
BKennedy on July 24, 2007 at 5:54 PM
He’s not afraid of Fred. He’ll just sell books easier and talk on more stations with Hillary as madam. Otherwise, who cares about Dick?
Here’s a bit about the S. Abraham record and a bit of recognition for the Arab-American. From this perspective this might be a brilliant move for our times.
Freelancer will help organize the San Diego rendezvous, or so was stated not long ago. csdeven will buy the first round for all, if his candidate makes it. If not, he will be treated by all others.
Entelechy on July 24, 2007 at 6:00 PM
It all makes sense now. Fred the non-candidate never announces. He just raises money from fredheads, groupies and delusional desperate conservatives. He never announces. The money he raises goes to a PAC. The PAC hires his son for some more “consulting.” His son gets rich.
All csdeven bashing aside, is no one concerned with Dick’s revalation? How wrong could his facts be? Over 50% of the money on hand goes to his son. $176,000 for consulting for a PAC that did nothing.
That dog won’t hunt.
What’s that got to do with the price of tea in China.
It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog.
If a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his a$$ a hoppin’.
You dance with who brung ya.
Musta had an injun in the wood pile.
tommylotto on July 24, 2007 at 6:00 PM
If you don’t have time, or are not inclined to read the link (provided above), here’s an excerpt:
Entelechy on July 24, 2007 at 6:04 PM
I like Fred! because the MSM and liberals seem to despise him.
However, Fred! had better get in the game SOON (by mid-August) or Newt will deflate his balloon in September.
I will reserve judgement on whom to vote for after a few debates with all of the final “top-tier” Republican candidates.
omnipotent on July 24, 2007 at 6:29 PM
Who cares? Name me another presidential insider who has turned on his boss and is throwing them under the bus. Book selling aside, and regardless of how much he is holding back, he has exposed a lot of the mindset of the Clintons.
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 6:42 PM
Somebody is gonna have to explain that reasoning to me. The MSM and liberals despise OBL too. Does that mean I should like OBL?
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 6:46 PM
No, the MSM love Osama, as long as he doesn’t get caught. Osama gives them a Bush-bashing outlet.
Rest assured within 24 hours after Osama gets caught, assuming Bush does it, we’ll here how Osama wasn’t really that important.
BKennedy on July 24, 2007 at 6:50 PM
The PAC appears to have had no office, no phone and no employees other than Daniel Thompson.
The FEC ruled that a campaign could hire a family member “at market value for bona fide campaign services.”Pure speculation on Morris’s part pure speculation. If I was Fred Thompson I wouls sue his ass.
sonnyspats1 on July 24, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Thanks for providing this insight into your perspective. I think you are dead wrong. The MSM and liberals despise traditional American values and want to see the United States weakened. Liberals and the MSM blame America for what the terrorists do. Why would they despise OBL? They don’t.
Weber48IDA on July 24, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Having Fred as president will make for some great conservative bumper stickers. Let your imagination run wild. Even the campaign against Hitlery and her insignificant other will make for some great bumper stickers.
Mojave Mark on July 24, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Nice spin. Ask the MSM and the liberals if they despise OBL.
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 8:08 PM
I wish you folks would do some research into your non-candidate so these conversations could be based on facts.
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 8:15 PM
I’ve figured it out!
csd is really Rudy in drag.
omnipotent on July 24, 2007 at 8:50 PM
csdeven on July 24, 2007 at 8:15 PM
Heh Heh All your link does is disprove Dick Morris claims. So Fred Thompson employed his son in a feild that he had 6 to 8 years experience and paid him $25 pr hr yeah so what. He broke no laws. Oh but the pure speculation posed by DM is supose to prove something? You are willingly reading inuendo and inference into the facts just like the toe sucking, super flip flopping, tax evading, back stabber DICK Morris. BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAH! To you too!
sonnyspats1 on July 24, 2007 at 9:02 PM
I left this site at 2:00, I come back 6 hours later and csdeven is still going. Unbelievable
csdeven telling me it just proves his manly stamina in 4…3…2…
conservnut on July 24, 2007 at 9:28 PM
The mindset of those two is really easy to figure out. One doesn’t need Dick’s services.
csdeven is Fred – he’s vetting himself.
Entelechy on July 24, 2007 at 10:07 PM
I just got done asking all of them and they said I was a racist warmonger.
Weber48IDA on July 24, 2007 at 11:31 PM
I am a blind squirrel trying to get a Newt. CAN ANYONE HELP ME?
RushBaby on July 25, 2007 at 12:11 AM
Yeah, if we want to go with the typical Clintons are evil line. Dick has exposed some real specifics that were not public knowledge.
csdeven on July 25, 2007 at 12:19 AM
You are the typical fred?head aren’t you? Ignore the facts, make excuses for fred?, and deride any information that comes from a source that doesn’t pass your smell test.
The facts are more than half the money from that PAC went to freddie boys kid and there is no evidence of any real work done. That is typical lobbying crapola, and fred? is up to his neck in it.
lobbying + Abramoff + freds? sons taking the lions share of the money + lobbying against American citizens =
Buh bye fred?, you lying fake.
csdeven on July 25, 2007 at 12:30 AM
Just got my copy of DM/EMcG’s new book, Outrage. Are you checking it out?
RushBaby on July 25, 2007 at 12:34 AM
Turn the campaign over to Jeri! and be done with it.
saved on July 25, 2007 at 5:56 AM
I haven’t watched that much US TV in a decade or so (been living in Thailand since 1999, and in Saudi Arabia for a stin before then). I didn’t keep up with Fred’s hollywood jobs since “the Hunt for Red October”. I’m basing my support for him on what he has said about immigration, the Second Amendment, and his response to Michael No-Moore. Seems to me Mr. Thompson thinks like I do.
Texas Nick 77 on July 25, 2007 at 8:52 AM
OUCHIE! freddie boys non-campaign is experiencing the exact problems I predicted 2 weeks ago.
I KNEW his wife would stick her nose into his campaign and cause trouble.
BWahahahahaha!!!
csdeven on July 25, 2007 at 1:03 PM
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