Legions on July 22, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Go down to their level? Because you say something is true with absolutely no proof?
Your logic of “fight them at their level” is simply saying it is okay to take the law into your own hands because you don’t like illegals and are not uncomfortable with the idea that innocent American citizens could get hurt or killed — guess as long as you are the right color, the ends justify the means?
People with your mindset are lower than scum, represent the ugliest side of humanity, and certainly don’t believe in the American ideals of fairness. You’d be far more comfortable in the third reich…..

Bradky on July 22, 2007 at 3:17 PM

This is not directed solely at Bradky, just a general request. Can we get back to highlighting THE QUOTE and its author instead of just the author’s signature line? It is especially difficult, when the author being referenced has posted several times in that particular thread, to discern which of the author’s comments are being replied to.

Please forgive my many grammatical errors, etc. And if I am the ONLY one who is having this problem, I apologize. Chalk it up to sleep deprivation: hand-feeding 9 English Mastiff puppies every 3-4 hours for the last 2 weeks has wreaked havoc with my brain cells. I might have to skip the political blogs and start reading something lighter. Does anyone know if Highlights Magazine for Kids is available online? Or even exists? I’m up for some “Hidden Pictures”… ;o)

Legions on July 22, 2007 at 11:21 AM

Go down to their level? Because you say something is true with absolutely no proof?
Your logic of “fight them at their level” is simply saying it is okay to take the law into your own hands because you don’t like illegals and are not uncomfortable with the idea that innocent American citizens could get hurt or killed — guess as long as you are the right color, the ends justify the means?
People with your mindset are lower than scum, represent the ugliest side of humanity, and certainly don’t believe in the American ideals of fairness. You’d be far more comfortable in the third reich…..

since Bush lost his legacy of being George Washington to a bunch of illegal aliens from Mexico, he will make this country pay for it by not doing his job and securing the borders of this nation.

But Bush is still trying to be a “George Washington” to a different audience in another part of the world. When Bush flew to Albania and proclaimed his desire for Kosovo independence, he made a lot of immigrants mad here in the States. I cannot tell you how upset many Serbian, Croatian immigrants I know are at Bush. One Croatian legal immigrant told me recently, “how can Bush advocate independence for Kosovo. Kosovo is Serbia. That is similar to a foreign leader wanting independence for Arizona and California.”

the 91% were those in court ordered and coluntary drug rehabilitation programs

Or junkies as we used to call em

This is a problem with our politicians forgetting about the rule of law and the difference between people who come here legally and those who disobey our laws the moment they step over the border.

Buzzy on July 21, 2007 at 10:27 PM

That is the central issue: the rule of law. How can any culture or nation survive without the rule of law?

The woman’s story make me want to cry.
We are witnessing the absolute demiss of our nation.

TheSitRep on July 21, 2007 at 2:53 PM

In the future, America may never ever be destroyed by a large foreign fleet on “the high seas,” or by a different foreign adversary in a technologically advanced war.

Rather, it just might likely be that America is destroyed internally from within.

But whoever the candidate is in 08, they better get imigration right, because this is truly one issue were right thinking Republicans do not have to moderate in order to attract, well, Moderates. And hopefully more than a few Dems, like the lady in this clip. She said that it’s the single issue she’s voting on now.

Dork B. on July 21, 2007 at 11:49 AM

I know moderates and liberals at work, who ask, “we are in Iraq why? We are trying to secure Iraq’s border security and trying to clamp down on Afghanistan’s porous border with Pakistan, and yet the USA cannot even address its own borders with Mexico?

You are correct. An “enforcement-first” approach will indeed pick up moderates and a few liberals that I know.

I never thought that a Demo could get me to cry over illegal immigration
Christine on July 21, 2007 at 11:35 AM

Since I live in a predominantly “Blue State”, I personally know a lot of Democrats who are really upset at their own party leadership over the subject of illegal immigration. And then these same people look at Bush, McCain and think, “well, the GOP is also weak on illegal immigration too.”

NO ONE WITH A WORKING BRAIN COULD TAKE CENSUS DATA SERIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO COUNTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! DO YOU EVER REMEMBER SEEING ILLEGALS LINED UP TO ANSWER A CENSUS? DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY OPEN THE DOOR AND INVITE THE CENSUS TAKERS IN FOR TEA? GET REAL.
NightmareOnKStreet on July 22, 2007 at 12:25 PM

From my experience, I agree with the above. None of the illegals I know answer the door.

Eric PW. You found 91%, not 100% were white. Iowa is about as white as they come. Across the state 95% of Iowa is WHITE (according to the latest census). There are 3.7% hispanic.

From those numbers you would have to conclude that every hispanic is in drug rehab…

ThackerAgency on July 21, 2007 at 11:06 AM

IS HOTAIR BEING “PUNKED” HERE? YOU PEOPLE ARE JOKING RIGHT?
NO ONE WITH A WORKING BRAIN COULD TAKE CENSUS DATA SERIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO COUNTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! DO YOU EVER REMEMBER SEEING ILLEGALS LINED UP TO ANSWER A CENSUS? DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY OPEN THE DOOR AND INVITE THE CENSUS TAKERS IN FOR TEA? GET REAL. STOP QUOTING THESE RIDICULOUS STATS OF 3.7% HISPANICS, ETC. DIOS MIO!

Like I said.. We have to go down to their level.. Need to fight fire with fire.. And yes, once again I do tend to get carried away when I think about what they are capable of doing to non hispanics.. So your right..I need not to go down there to that level..after all,they will eventually be exposed by their own actions..and for me to use anchor poppers instead of anchor babies was wrong..

Legions on July 22, 2007 at 9:27 AM

Face it pal, you want to be racist, you thrive on it, and you need to be racist. Apparently it is the only thing that makes you feel alive.

That’s the reality. Sorry about your experience but that doesn’t paint all Hispanics as racist or druggies.
It was your statements about drugs, white women, and “anchor poppers” that shows your real agenda.

If there were no demand for drugs the cartels wouldn’t be trying to get it into the US. By your implied logic Americans are just too weak willed and devoid of character to avoid getting involved with drugs.

Bradky…If you want to talk racist and Klan crap look no further than your mexican friends who clearcut down entire neighborhoods. To get rid of all other people they dislike..I tried my best to make friends with them yet they had a different agenda.. And yes I believe there is so much drug cartel money they don’t even know what to do with it so they launder it up here. You can only launder so much threw the banks and I believe a lot goes to the illegals to set up businesses buy houses, cars. Smaller things that can be filtered in without being noticed..You are right about one thing..I am being taken down to their level..a level of racist,hate and intolerance..I didn’t want to go down there they sent me there..And until you wake up every morning in a state of panic..and intimidation..walking your yard picking up the chicken bones trying to choke your dog to death..picking up the garbage they would throw on my lot..And heres the best one they actually took out pain windows so there music would blast into our house even louder..And all the rest of your so called good mex. people did nothing to stop them..I mean they could have called the police to complain about ending a party at 1 am and leaving the music playing in the backyard for another hour or two with no one even out there. Yet, like I said it was me against them and THEY WON..Sorry to offend you with the ugly true life stories of these people and what is really happening out there..

http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/factsheets/2006accomplishments.htm

According to a Miami Newspaper ICE deportations have crossed the 400,000 mark this year already

Thats alot of nothing

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/ICE-06AR.pdf

there is more border enforcement, deportations, arrests and detentions going now than ever before in US history. Some are reporting that illegals numbers have dropped significantly, you need to actually go to the ICE website and review the numbers this year alone there are more deportations, the time to deport has dropped to a third and the activity in 6 months has surpassed the entire CLINTON era

You can be angry he has not done more or not stopped it yet (which apparently he has very few now are getting through) but to say he wants to do nothing about it is patently false

Who I agree should be behind bars but most of the meth in Iowa is home grown acording to their state police they do mention that some is coming in from Mexico and OTHER States because they rank 6th in the country in drug abuse

http://www.state.ia.us/government/odcp/docs/Trends_4-30-07%20_2_.pdf

So as I knew when I saw Grandma’s statement that it was totally and completely false that Iowa has had a drug problem for years and most of it is and has been domestic

Mexicans had nothing to do with the hundreds of thousands of stoned people in Iowa

Once again mexican DO NOT DO DRUGS. They are getting white kids hooked in grade school. Its their grand sceme.

I’m part Scottish, Mexican and Native American. Last I checked, I was NOT TRYING TO HOOK KIDS ON DRUGS JACKA&&.

Oh yeah. I live in SoCal and have lived in NorCal and Illinois. During my life, I’ve met PLENTY of Mexicans (both legal & illegal immigrants) who have been hooked on all sorts of drugs. One of those was my stepfather. He was a drug dealer. So yes, I’ve seen the business from both sides. It’s not some grand conspiracy on behalf of “the race”. It’s a bunch of opportunistic people who make a living off of human depravity. Nothing more. To say it’s some great racist conspiracy gives too much credit to an industry that deserves absolutely none. These people will work with anyone, even play both sides of the fence as long as it makes a profit.

I thank the powers that be that I dragged myself out of that hole a long time ago. I never did drugs. Ironically I learned from my stepfather’s example. I saw how the business and the drugs destroyed him and all around him. And I vowed never to become like him.

It’s quite simple Legions. The drug business is not some racist conspiracy. It’s simply a pyramid scheme fueled by human suffering and greed. The money flows to the top, and most street dealers on bottom make less per day on average than working at McDonald’s. (Don’t believe me? Find a book called Freakonomics. There’s a good chapter on how a drug gang works financially. Quite accurate.) I’ve seen people of all colors and creeds participate. It’s simply a very depraved business. One that quite frankly, needs to be ruthlessly crushed. Get your talking points straight. Also check your spelling and punctuation will ya?

But when an all white state and especially an all white city decrys that the browns are selling em drugs

simple quit buying them

EricPWJohnson on July 21, 2007 at 12:04 PM

Yes Eric, people need to take responsibility and not use drugs. However ‘browns’ are not the only people who sell drugs. Whites are not the only ones who buy them. Listen to the clip again. She refers to Mexican families whose values have been eroded by drugs. In other words some Mexicans well, may just be buying and doing drugs. Ya think?

It sounds like the two of you are simply peddling what someone called the bigotry of low expectations. Whites are white, so they must buy and do drugs right? Hence, Mexicans just sell them right? And don’t tell me – African and Mexican Americans are just poor because they are right? I’m part Scottish, Mexican and Native American. What does that make me? Schizophrenic?

No. I’m American, and damn it all, I will not be a victim. To anyone.

@Bradky – It is sad. I wonder how long it will take some to get past this shit and simply realize in this debate that there are only three types of people. Citizens, Legal Residents, and Illegal Aliens. That’s it. That these two simply believe we don’t get it is ignorant. I lived in some of those neighborhoods when I was younger. While some are poorer than others, poor overall knows no color. Anyone can be poor no matter what shade their skin is. Equally so, anyone can get into the drug trade. It just takes being a little bit ignorant and desperate in the beginning. Not to mention an ability to absolutely ignore the chaos you sow around yourself. In the form of shattered lives, lost jobs, broken families, homes, neighborhoods and bodies. While illegal immigration benefits the Mexican government, for the cartels it is a potential conduit to new markets. Allow illegal immigration, and the drugs will follow. Tres mal indeed.

Just sayin’…

Legions on July 21, 2007 at 8:35 PM

What you said earlier was so far from the truth to be laughable, nor was it just “a little over the top”. I’d expect to see crap like that in Klan literature.

If there was no demand for drugs, there would be no drugs coming over the border. Got nothing to do with illegals.

Rhetoric like yours is quite simply the type of racist crap that gets law abiding LEGAL citizens of Hispanic origin hassled by the law and so called do-gooder citizens simply because they fit the right profile. You should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating vile statements like yours.

Their addiction doesn’t affect them as hard as it affects their victims..Why?? they have a mattress loaded with untaxable dollars to live the good life and our children are left to suffer..and its all in their grand scheme..I just wish they would police themselves..and leave me and my family alone..

Legions on July 21, 2007 at 9:59 PM

Let’s try that again… (for the umpteenth time, we need a preview feature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Have you ever been to Mexico? It is literally a third-world country on our southern border. Illegal aliens with mattresses stuffed with cash? Are you insane? Many of them are so impoverished they can barely even read. I am absolutlely not an apologist for illegal aliens, but your outlandish picture of what is going on is completely ludicrous.

It is the big money drug cartels and their big business cohorts here on this side of the border that are pulling the strings and making the money. It is pure paranoia to ascribe such sinister motives to the average people who are jumping the border.

Their addiction doesn’t affect them as hard as it affects their victims..Why?? they have a mattress loaded with untaxable dollars to live the good life and our children are left to suffer..and its all in their grand scheme..I just wish they would police themselves..and leave me and my family alone..

Legions on July 21, 2007 at 9:59 PM
Have you ever been to Mexico? It is literally a third-world country on our southern border. Illegal aliens with mattresses stuffed with cash? Are you insane? Many of them are so impoverished they can barely even read. I am absolutlely not an apologist for illegal aliens, but your outlandish picture of what is going on is completely ludicrous.

It is the big money drug cartels and their big business cohorts here on this side of the border that are pulling the strings and making the money. It is pure paranoia to ascribe such sinister motives to the average people who are jumping the border.

This has very little to do with the Martinez family who lives down the street from me. They are here legally, have a nice family, good kids who do well in school, a nice house, good jobs and when they get their citizenship I will proudly go with them and attend the event. They will be great Americans.

But even the Martinez family and hundreds of thousands of others like them know that uncontrolled illegal immigration has brought in criminal elements to our nation. Narcotics, sexual slavery and violence have rose dramatically since the Bush administration decided to ignore our immigration laws and pander to the criminals and drug dealers.

I know that the Martinez family worries about their children becoming involved in drugs exactly as much as I do mine. This is a problem with our politicians forgetting about the rule of law and the difference between people who come here legally and those who disobey our laws the moment they step over the border.