Video: Rep. Tancredo hears from an Iowan about illegal immigration
posted at 10:01 am on July 21, 2007 by Bryan
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Sounds like Waterloo is still the home of the Sullivan brothers. Folks willing to work and fight for truth, justice and ‘all that stuff’.
Limerick on July 21, 2007 at 10:22 AM
Ignominy indeed.
Tom needs more of her passion.
Or he won’t get her vote.
profitsbeard on July 21, 2007 at 10:22 AM
They were just recycling metals Americans won’t recycle.
eeyore on July 21, 2007 at 10:24 AM
I’m not for illegal immigration, I am for a wall, I am for sending anyone convicted of a felony back to whence they came from regardless of citizenship status
however, in the case of Watrerloo Iowa a simple google will tell you that the kindly grandma in the picture is just a tad too convienently placing all the blame on hispanics acording to Iowa rehab Waterloo is one stoned city:
91.3% of the individuals in drug treatment located in Iowa during 2004 were Caucasian.
It is not unusual for many of the drug rehab centers in Waterloo, Iowa to have aftercare or a follow-up program in addition to their initial rehab program.
http://www.drug-rehabs.org/Iowa-Waterloo-drug-rehab.htm
Seems a little disengenious for her to be blaming it on the Hispanic community since Waterloo is about as 100% white town as you can get in America
EricPWJohnson on July 21, 2007 at 10:26 AM
She is a racist & navtist! Quit crying wolf. There is no problem here, please move along.
We need to crackdown on employers, secure the border (not virually but physically) and have actual enforcement of immigration laws otherwise there there won’t be anything for our grandchildren.
VikingGoneWild on July 21, 2007 at 10:38 AM
“Our families had one issue and one issue only that we voted on last time and we are voting [on in] the presidential campaign. And that is we want our country back for our children and grandchildren.”
That summarizes it quite nicely.
Hey Republicans. Still wondering why you lost the last mid term elections? Hint - it ain’t the Iraq war. See quote above.
BowHuntingTexas on July 21, 2007 at 10:43 AM
Eric, I read you saying “I believe in these conservative things” but every time you say them, your knee twitches. You might want to have that looked at.
The lady seemed to be decrying the effect of massive interstate drug smuggling and the spray that gets all over Iowa from the I-80 corridor. I don’t know what the dumpster diving illegal story had to do with that, but I’m not from Iowa.
Jaibones on July 21, 2007 at 10:53 AM
Is that a reliable indicator of where the drugs are coming from?
Pablo on July 21, 2007 at 10:55 AM
That lady can’t have it both ways. 1st she tells us all how wonderful the illegals are. Family values and all.. Yes their family values are very important to THEM and
THEM only, at the cost of all of ours. Moving in three families to every home really is great for all our small cities. Throwing garbage all over, playing load music, always speaking spanish when we are near so we have to hear it. Then she complains about them?? Come on Tom I’m counting on you to put passion into this…
Legions on July 21, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Eric PW. You found 91%, not 100% were white. Iowa is about as white as they come. Across the state 95% of Iowa is WHITE (according to the latest census). There are 3.7% hispanic.
From those numbers you would have to conclude that every hispanic is in drug rehab.
The problem is the INFLUENCE of illegal immigration on the state and the FUTURE OF THE STATE.
Saying that since 91% of people in rehab in Iowa is white there is no problem with immigration here misses the point entirely.
ThackerAgency on July 21, 2007 at 11:06 AM
She’s kinda preaching to the converted, isn’t she?
flipflop on July 21, 2007 at 11:08 AM
From the EXACT SAME SITE!!!
Romeo13 on July 21, 2007 at 11:08 AM
I understand that the numbers don’t necessarily add up to conclude that all hispanics are in drug rehab. But you need to look at the population as a whole and compare it to the percentage in rehab.
My point is 91% white drug rehab population is misleading when compared to the population of the entire state.
ThackerAgency on July 21, 2007 at 11:09 AM
Of coarse not. Eric just has an agenda he’s not man enough to own up to here.
Try this from the DEA Eric:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/iowa.html
TheBigOldDog on July 21, 2007 at 11:10 AM
Looking back at the numbers, it looks like the ‘white people’ number includes the hispanic numbers. So the percentage in rehab equals the percentage of non-hispanics whites.
Statistics can be used to prove anything. If there were 50% white and 90% white in rehab, that would be obvious a white people problem.
My issue is not so much the drugs with illegals, but it is that they take up public services that taxpayers have to provide (schools, hospitals, police protection, jail space). I’m done, carry on.
ThackerAgency on July 21, 2007 at 11:19 AM
It doesn’t even matter what the racial breakdown of people in rehab is. Just look at what the DEA says about the problem in Iowa (you can even find it on that very site). It corroborates what the woman was saying:
Hispanic trafficking organizations import large quantities of methamphetamine into Iowa, primarily via motor vehicles and mail delivery services. The large Mexican communities in Iowa provide an infrastructure to import and distribute the methamphetamine.
This is about a guy with a hidden agenda out to mislead people.
TheBigOldDog on July 21, 2007 at 11:25 AM
Wikipedia states Waterloo’s median income household $34K, per capita $18.5K and that between 10-13% of the population is below poverty level.
This elderly lady’s family runs a recycling business being plundered by illegal Mexican aliens. That she also bemoans the drug traffic through her home town and state from Mexico is also a tremendously legitimate concern as she looks to her family’s survival pit against illegal Mexican alien drug runners and thieves. She legitimately wants security, national and personal.
maverick muse on July 21, 2007 at 11:26 AM
I never thought that a Demo could get me to cry over illegal immigration…Her party affiliation explained her comment about how ’sweet’ the Mexicans are, and some of them are, but times they are a changin’ and we must take our country back before it’s too late.
Uh, Eric…hello? “91.3% of the individuals in drug treatment located in Iowa during 2004 were Caucasian.” You gotta be kidding…Illegal aliens from Mexico do you use our social services, but DRUG REHAB??? I don’t think so.
You must have been talking to my brother who, when I said that meth was pouring in from Mexico because the border is wide open, told me: ‘It would be UNAMERICAN to secure the border and well, we already have drugs in this country’. I guess a whole lot more won’t be any worse.
Liberalism is a mental disorder, I hope you don’t have it.
Christine on July 21, 2007 at 11:35 AM
The sad fact is that any President could end 90% of this…in a day.
The will and an executive order is what it takes to end the home invasion robbery of our country.
What have you done for us lately…George?
Speakup on July 21, 2007 at 11:45 AM
This just made me realize again that this issue is one on which we cannot compromise in 08 if we want to win.
Take Rudy, for example. The tag line on him is that many in the party feel that he is moderate enough to take votes away form Hillary, but the base is troubled by his position on abortion, guns, gays. So we have one side arguing “no way” to such a candidate, and the other trying to persuade them to look at the big picture, to compromise on a few things lest we lose it all.
But whoever the candidate is in 08, they better get imigration right, because this is truly one issue were right thinking Republicans do not have to moderate in order to attract, well, Moderates. And hopefully more than a few Dems, like the lady in this clip. She said that it’s the single issue she’s voting on now.
Dork B. on July 21, 2007 at 11:49 AM
Okay everyone
Its not conservative to use drugs
If Grandma wants her community the way it is then grandma needs to mind her grandchildren
Thats the message and then the drug dealers will either be caught having to be more aggressive selling or they will leave
But when an all white state and especially an all white city decrys that the browns are selling em drugs
simple quit buying them
EricPWJohnson on July 21, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Also
News Flash most Mexican meth production is by American gangs operating like the Hell’s angels etc
The reason there is a drug problem in America is Americans taking drugs
I’m for a wall, I’m for deporting all criminals, I’m for drug use enforcement, strict drug use enforcement as well
I just refuse to use this border controversy to blame all of societys ills on it instead of soberingly assessing the fact that we are responsible for our drug use
EricPWJohnson on July 21, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Bigolddog
So who’s buying these drugs, Americans correct? Is the American’s behavior just as illegal as the drug dealers?
In many states, yes.
Your point is what? That Mexico and the border issue are our only problem?
Riiight
EricPWJohnson on July 21, 2007 at 12:11 PM
“You say tomater, I zader matermorts.”
- The Cat
MirCat on July 21, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Look how many times do I have to tell this..Mexicans DO NOT USE THE DRUGS THEY PUSH..PERIOD.. They come to infect our young ones..As soon as they infect one of ours its a life time job opening for one of their ANCHOR POPPERS. The young white women are drugged, once hooked and addicted they soon become either a gang whore or they make them marry an illegal so he becomes legal..WAKE UP AND SAVE YOUR CHILDREN
Legions on July 21, 2007 at 12:27 PM
The lefties are kidding themselves if they believe this lady is in the minority. The media deemphasized this crowd during shamnesty on purpose. They wrote just as many e-mails, letters and made the phone calls. The awakening happened with shamnesty - if the bill would have been passed the issue would have been removed for 2008 and its effect post-poned.
Entelechy on July 21, 2007 at 12:27 PM
I libe 20 minuites from Waterloo and I run a manufacturing plant. Here’s a couple interesting points I’ve picked up:
-We can’t find any white people to work manufacturing jobs and we pay nicely. We end up hiring mostly jispanics becasue they are the only ones who know how to work. (You can blame that on our wussy culture and our school system who doesn’t teach anything about hard work.)
-We employ LEGAL hispanics, but have certainly run into our fair share of ILLEGAL ones trying to apply.
-The Hispanics we do have are nice people and almost all have large families. They want to work as much overtime as they can (as most send money back to Mexico.)
-As was mentioned in the video and in the comments, they do have more traditional family values. Or, they value their families more - let’s put it that way.
-HOWEVER- and this is the kicker- they are very nationalistic and are loyal to Mexico and Mexico only. They generally have no interest in American culture or heritage and certianly don’t consider themselves Americans. We used to have a guy who wore his “La Raza” hat all the time.
-Iowa has large meth problems. Waterloo is an industrial old city and is the worst for drugs and gangs in our area (maybe 75-100 mile radius.) I can’t verify the stats for how many hispanics there are here, but from their visaibility I’d guess a lot more than 3%.
-The comments about loud music and garbage are true in my experience. We have alot of stupid teens who play music just as loud, but the cleanliness issue is a hispanic culture issue. Trust me on that one.
-I don’t have a racist bone in my body. I respect the work that LEGAL immigrants do and I work with them every day. However, we need to seal the border and control immigration completley - just as most other countries do.
-As conservatives we need to figure out what to do about the labor problem though. Iowa has about 4% unemployement and in my experience those 4% are either people who don’t have the skills for low-skilled labor, or people who would simply rather collect government money than work. If we are going to keep manufacturing in this county and not outsource everything to China, we need low-skilled workers who will work hard. So far, the hispanics are all we have.
2wylde on July 21, 2007 at 12:33 PM
PS - I type too fast - sorry for the typos; I can’t find an edit button.
2wylde on July 21, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Ignominy?! I thought regular Americans (i.e. not from NY, not from LA) were too stupid to use big words!
Kevin M on July 21, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Eric you are responding to something she did not say. In no way does she say that most, or all, or the majority of people in drug treatment programs are Mexican. Nor does she say that the majority of drug use in Waterloo is done by Mexicans. The non sequitor you have to embrace to even use that statistic is amazing. Who goes to drug rehab in the first place? People that can afford it, who in Waterloo, IA would be who? (pause) Exactly.
What she does talk about drug trafficking. Which your little stat does not address nor do you atempt to extrapolate that little stat to support your point (whatever that may be)The fact is the Hispanic community insulates and facilitates drug trafficking, period. Something you did not address in your previous responses. And didn’t seem to see on the webpage you decided to link.
Your statement is wrong on other levels as well but I’ll leave it at that.
Theworldisnotenough on July 21, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Actually, she said how wonderful Mexicans are; not the same thing.
baldilocks on July 21, 2007 at 12:43 PM
One more thing…
Eric please quote the woman blaming drug use in Waterloo, IA on Mexicans. She does not, so once again you are responding to something she did not say.
Theworldisnotenough on July 21, 2007 at 12:45 PM
Ding! Ding! Ding! A gold star for you.
Could you imagine what would happen if B. Hussain Obama or the Whicked Witch came out and said “if elected I will, by executive order, immediately close the border with Mexico and start mass deportations.”?
They’d win in a landslide ’cause, believe it or not, illegal immigration is not just a Republican issue - it’s an American issue.
BowHuntingTexas on July 21, 2007 at 12:51 PM
Many of them are, and many of them simply want to avail themselves legally of the opportunity America provides. We should welcome them with open arms, especially the ones who want to run restaurants! (Personal gastronomic bias alert)
These are not the people who are the problem. The people who disrespect our sovereignty and violate our laws are the problem, and we can and should deal with them sternly.
Party affiliation shouldn’t have anything to do with that.
Pablo on July 21, 2007 at 12:52 PM
91.3% of the individuals in drug treatment located in Iowa during 2004 were Caucasian
% of caucasion vs hispanic is a non issue. how do we know the exact % of a population that does not register, pay taxes or complete a census.
how many of that illegal population is going to check themselves into rehab ? or have to report to rehab and actually report ? your “facts” are misleading.
Americans have a drug problem? sure. but how long have we been involved in a “war on drugs”? and to what effect? perhaps we should just build a physical barrier and some other things will fall inline.
palefaced on July 21, 2007 at 12:59 PM
My point is, in 2 post within the last 24 hours you have defended Mexican Drug Smugglers over American citizens and Law Enforcement. You have an agenda that you’re not man enough to disclose or defend.
TheBigOldDog on July 21, 2007 at 1:02 PM
I think she was making a clear distinction between legal Mexican immigrants and illegal Mexican immigrants. Here in SoCal there are plenty of both, and it’s not difficult to tell the difference.
infidel4life on July 21, 2007 at 1:09 PM
And check for abnormal nose length as well.
infidel4life on July 21, 2007 at 1:12 PM
Note to Tom:
Don’t lose eye contact when a voter is speaking to you. Her words are more important than your water.
Lothar on July 21, 2007 at 1:13 PM
EricPWJ, The BigOldDog has you nailed: you mirepresent what the woman is actually saying and what she clearly means.
We already have too many people like you: playing the Race Card in hopes of squashing any dissent
Janos Hunyadi on July 21, 2007 at 1:13 PM
Eric just ignores the facts when others answers his incorrect claims and then answers with even more ridiculous claims. Just proves the point: Do not try to debate a liberal.
SIJ6141 on July 21, 2007 at 1:28 PM
regarding the simple solution to drugs:
In the interests of not discriminating, if we don’t bust illegal Mexican drug smuggling, we should not arrest good hearted legal citizen drug smugglers either
re -
true
There is the problem. People who reject assimilation but solve the need for labor.
Solution: bring in legal immigrants who will assimilate. That has always been the solution to America’s labor problem and it has served us well. we can’t find these people?
I don’t believe it. I believe the pols for some reason want the non-assimilators. They are compliant as a group, except for the non-assimilated gangsters who are less compliant than our own criminals.
For some reason, merging in people who
1. have an interest in making this nation a part of Mexico
2. who start off their new life by declaring the laws of this country don’t count if they don’t feel good
is the prime goal of Washington elites???
Unassimilated immigrants - the better voter for a global tomorrow. Throw off the shackles of the Old Constitutional Republic and the troublesome nativist citizens that come with the package. What is a nation but a tax base?
BTW I despise the use of ‘nativist’ as an insult. It is a compliment. It is not racial, it is the legals.
The Legals!
That is what the Citizens are: The Legals!!!
entagor on July 21, 2007 at 1:30 PM
Great stuff. To bad that woman is a more effective speaker than Tancredo is.
Drew on July 21, 2007 at 1:33 PM
Let me say this to the people of Iowa, if you do not act aggressively right now, you will be overwhelmed rather quickly. A “small crime” has to bet dealt with immediately and harshly, as vermin will always return to a food source. It has distressed me greatly what has happened to my town in the San Francisco Bay area over the last 6 years:
Violent school riots that go unreported in the local media (5 times in two years), local hospital closed and became a free clinic for illegals (5 minute ride to the hospital is not a life threatening 30+ minutes), over half the school budget goes to special education for Spanish speaking students (Half the High School campus is dedicated for their education only, only five of the original 13 elective classes remain) but they comprise only 35 percent of the city population, drunk driving related incidents (specifically auto accidents) have increased over 150 percent, etc…
Before you dismiss this as the ramblings of a racist, I must tell you my mother is Puerto Rican and my father is Black. But hey what do I know.
Let’s not focus on the immigration problem, because not all crime is commented by illegals. Is that the right answer EricPWJohnson?
Zaire67 on July 21, 2007 at 1:38 PM
Read this, “We can’t find white people to work manufacturing jobs and we pay nicely, when compared to Mexico.
My last blue collar job was after college. I quit. It wasn’t the work, but the fact that they only wanted to pay me $13 an hour. Why should I have kept slaving away, when I was offered a job at $23 an hour? The boss desperately didn’t want to see me go, but he couldn’t/wouldn’t pay that amount.
It basically happened with virtually every white person I worked with. Either the boss refused to pay our worth (since he could get Immigrants to do it for less) for that job or we left because after college we could make a killing compared to other locations.
Tim Burton on July 21, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Why do people keep saying that there are jobs that American’s won’t do, rather than saying that there are jobs that American’s won’t do at that pay? After all, don’t we have 100,000+ Americans (of all types) over in Iraq in 130 degree heat with crappy bedding, low pay (it’s true!) and a chance of being killed?
Tim Burton on July 21, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Maybe so, but as someone who lives in Omaha, Nebraska, I can tell you that the folks bringing the drugs in on the interstate aren’t Caucasians. They’re hispanics. Time and time again, the names associated with a big drug bust on I-80 are obviously hispanic.
jaleach on July 21, 2007 at 2:13 PM
I think she was making a clear distinction between legal Mexican immigrants and illegal Mexican immigrants. Here in SoCal there are plenty of both, and it’s not difficult to tell the difference.
infidel4life on July 21, 2007 at 1:09 PM
Listen to her again please..When she mentions the word mexicans she never put LEGAL in front of it. And to me that is the key word here.. When you says “the good hard working family value mexicans” like she did all that means to me is that they are here illegal..Drug cartel plants, trying to blend in and infect our children with their narco drugs..Legal immigrants are always welcomed to me. Most of the ones who say they are legal all have forged documents sold to them from their many narco friends.
Legions on July 21, 2007 at 2:19 PM
Would you rather have an arrogant holier than thou type of Representative or someone who cares enough to listen and let people say whats on their minds without obsessively demanding to be the center of attention?
Speakup on July 21, 2007 at 2:26 PM
She spoke put, good for her. Thanks to Tom for allowing for this sentiment to be heard. It should be heard in every town across America…over and over.
When she stated in STARTED in Colorado, she was gravely mistaken. It started AT THE BORDER. Period.
Colorado is not a border state, it had to get there to be distributed. She should place her anger at the border and the open border lobby.
Open borders policy is going to kill America and the American Dream. How long? I don’t know for sure, but it will be w/in 40 years. And at the current pace, it could be by 2020.
shooter on July 21, 2007 at 2:44 PM
But when an all white state and especially an all white city decrys that the browns are selling em drugs
simple quit buying them
EricPWJohnson on July 21, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Once again mexican DO NOT DO DRUGS. They are getting white kids hooked in grade school. Its their grand sceme. They are the most racist people in the America’s. And they will infect our young ones and bring them into a life of being a gang whores &bring them up to marry illegals so they become legal..The boys are drugged so they take them out of the job market for their anchor poppers. Couple that with 20 or so billion dollars stuffed into their mattresses and we are up against a formidable foe..
Legions on July 21, 2007 at 2:44 PM
I don’t need to listen again, I heard what she said and that is my opinion of what she meant.
And IMO, in reading your posts in this thread it sounds to me like your anti-Mexican, anti-drug conspiracy hysteria is the product of a disturbed mind.
infidel4life on July 21, 2007 at 2:51 PM
The woman’s story make me want to cry.
We are witnessing the absolute demiss of our nation.
TheSitRep on July 21, 2007 at 2:53 PM
You forget to add: and arrest the dealers and smugglers.
Funny how the woman spoke more graciously than YOU did by using the people’s nationality, which is a richer and more comprehensive description of people, their culture, their language, their roots, but YOU are guilty of reducing everything to the perjorative and extremely simplistic, “caucasians” and “browns.” There are a lot of “browns” in the USA, Laoatians, Africans (who come in variying shades of brown, from tan to pure black), Asian Indians, Sri Lankans, why many,many “browns” but this women seems to have learned by experience that “brown” isn’t a sufficient identification for the problems she’s noticed. She ain’t complaining about her Dr. Gupta or Dr. Patel who legally immigrated is she?
If Caucasians are so difficult, why is it that Nigerians are the most upwardly mobile immigrant group in the nation? Think of the irony. Nigerians! Following the rules! Making it the right way. Doing just fine thank you, with no whinging and excuses.
naliaka on July 21, 2007 at 2:57 PM
infidel4life on July 21, 2007 at 2:51 PM
To me theresno difference between legal and illegal..Why?? I need to see marches of legal mexicans saying stop the madness..saying their for the govs. 287G program to provide training for law enforcement to deport dangerous criminals. But where are they on these issues. No they let Geraldo do their talking for them and THERE IT IS. Until then I’m in a state of your so called hysteria..
Legions on July 21, 2007 at 3:07 PM
I see. So do you think b/c there are already American murderers and rapists here that we have no valid reason to not take in murderers and rapists from other countries too? Your argument seems to imply that you think that b/c we already have drug dealers and drug users here it would be hypcoritical of us to not just welcome more drug dealers/drug users from all over the world. B/c Americans will USE the drugs, we should not try to deter people who illegally bring them here for our use? Sheesh, maybe we should give them a present too for helping us out.
hollygolightly on July 21, 2007 at 3:54 PM
hollygolightly on July 21, 2007 at 3:54 PM
well said, except we are giving them presents in the form of our hard earned tax money and them leeching on the social and federal programs.
palefaced on July 21, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Davenport, Iowa is getting a new chapter of the Guardian Angels. The Meth and gang problem is so bad in the Quad Cities that Curtis Sliwa went to Davenport himself to help organize the local chapter. They are getting hit from south of the border and Chicago.
Contrary to my fellow Iowan who wrote earlier, wages in Iowa tend to be low. The reason is farmers work the farm and work another job in town or other combinations like this. Farmers will work another full time job just for the health benefits so they don’t have to buy them as a self-employed person. These are small farmers. The spouses of some of the larger famers will work for less for the same reason. They are working primarily for the health benefits.
Terri on July 21, 2007 at 4:43 PM
Good point. A very sad, but true, point.
hollygolightly on July 21, 2007 at 4:56 PM
I’ve seen Tancredo speak via TV on a number of occasions and I am not entirely convinced English is his first language. Listening is fine and sometimes admirable but that doesn’t change the fact that Tancredo is not an effective public speaker.
Drew on July 21, 2007 at 5:17 PM
Don’t expect any help from the cops in Houston, TX to help stop the flow up north. Our coward of a mayor, Bill White (flag) doesn’t want the authorities to touch the 400,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS who live here to be touched.
That’s ten percent, 10%, of our total population here.
madmonkphotog on July 21, 2007 at 6:05 PM
I agree the Tanc isn’t the great communicator but it is good to notice the difference I mentioned in some candidates.
Speakup on July 21, 2007 at 6:20 PM
Tancredo is doing one heck of a job from his congressional seat. There is nothing wrong with that at all. The man deserves a lot of credit.
I know a number of Californians who are going to write his name in the ballot come election time, just because of his putting up the good fight.
An umpolled vast majority of Americans view stopping illegal immigration as PRIORITY NUMBER ONE. These are not people who want to become citizens of the U.S., not even a lot of the ones already naturalized.
We should cut off all Federal Funding immediately for all areas (City, County & State) who support sanctuaries. Hey some of the municipalities in California have hired contractors, to replace municipal employees, who utilize undocumented workers.
Kermit on July 21, 2007 at 6:49 PM
Geez and you really believe that? For a moment I thought I had accidentally gone to stormfront when I saw your comment.
Sad sad sad.
Bradky on July 21, 2007 at 7:32 PM
Bradky on July 21, 2007 at 7:32 PM
Look the truth hurts sometimes, and it can also be all so ugly. To tell it in those terms is the only way people may wake up. If you live in a fancy suburb (well off) you problaly only come into these areas to buy your drugs. once again the truth and ugly..I’ll tell you sad, its sad that the legal mex. community doesn’t come out and march against the ms13 gangs the rapists, the murderers. No to them its just fine ask Geraldo. If they policed their own then I would take delight in other activities. My family and I have already lost one home to them. A home I was restoring for the last 15 years, and they took much delight in forcing us out. Its doesn’t mean beans to you being forced out of your home, to me it was an act of terrorism..
Legions on July 21, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Sorry, 2006 was all about Foley. People need to remember this.
Yeah, just like those Afghans who don’t use the opium they grow?
urbancenturion on July 21, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Sorry, I gotta pile on. That blanket statement is absolute nonsense.
Now, if you said that, as a culture Mexicans abuse drugs significantly less often than rich white Hollywood liberals or inner city blacks or Berkeley students or something like that, I’d probably agree with you.
I imagine an accurate study would show that Mexicans as a whole use illicit substances at about the same rate(or maybe even slightly less) than that of other cultural groups within any given socio/economic/geographic community.
But that adamant statement of yours unrealistic..
LegendHasIt on July 21, 2007 at 9:36 PM
ok I’m a reasonable person. So I pushed the envelope on that one. I admit I do get carried away on this issue and I type faster than I should..They do use drugs of course..Their addiction doesn’t affect them as hard as it affects their victims..Why?? they have a mattress loaded with untaxable dollars to live the good life and our children are left to suffer..and its all in their grand scheme..I just wish they would police themselves..and leave me and my family alone..
Legions on July 21, 2007 at 9:59 PM
I’m in Oklahoma, not Iowa but we see huge amounts of narcotics interdicted heading norte and money heading south all the time. The amounts are vast and the traffickers are more often than not Mexican.
This has very little to do with the Martinez family who lives down the street from me. They are here legally, have a nice family, good kids who do well in school, a nice house, good jobs and when they get their citizenship I will proudly go with them and attend the event. They will be great Americans.
But even the Martinez family and hundreds of thousands of others like them know that uncontrolled illegal immigration has brought in criminal elements to our nation. Narcotics, sexual slavery and violence have rose dramatically since the Bush administration decided to ignore our immigration laws and pander to the criminals and drug dealers.
I know that the Martinez family worries about their children becoming involved in drugs exactly as much as I do mine. This is a problem with our politicians forgetting about the rule of law and the difference between people who come here legally and those who disobey our laws the moment they step over the border.
Buzzy on July 21, 2007 at 10:27 PM
infidel4life on July 21, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Let’s try that again… (for the umpteenth time, we need a preview feature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Have you ever been to Mexico? It is literally a third-world country on our southern border. Illegal aliens with mattresses stuffed with cash? Are you insane? Many of them are so impoverished they can barely even read. I am absolutlely not an apologist for illegal aliens, but your outlandish picture of what is going on is completely ludicrous.
It is the big money drug cartels and their big business cohorts here on this side of the border that are pulling the strings and making the money. It is pure paranoia to ascribe such sinister motives to the average people who are jumping the border.
infidel4life on July 21, 2007 at 11:29 PM
What you said earlier was so far from the truth to be laughable, nor was it just “a little over the top”. I’d expect to see crap like that in Klan literature.
If there was no demand for drugs, there would be no drugs coming over the border. Got nothing to do with illegals.
Rhetoric like yours is quite simply the type of racist crap that gets law abiding LEGAL citizens of Hispanic origin hassled by the law and so called do-gooder citizens simply because they fit the right profile. You should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating vile statements like yours.
Bradky on July 22, 2007 at 1:40 AM
I kind of wonder if “EricPWJohnson” is either working for the Bush Administration — or is a member of MALDEF.
Just sayin’…
sanantonian on July 22, 2007 at 2:00 AM
I’m part Scottish, Mexican and Native American. Last I checked, I was NOT TRYING TO HOOK KIDS ON DRUGS JACKA&&.
Oh yeah. I live in SoCal and have lived in NorCal and Illinois. During my life, I’ve met PLENTY of Mexicans (both legal & illegal immigrants) who have been hooked on all sorts of drugs. One of those was my stepfather. He was a drug dealer. So yes, I’ve seen the business from both sides. It’s not some grand conspiracy on behalf of “the race”. It’s a bunch of opportunistic people who make a living off of human depravity. Nothing more. To say it’s some great racist conspiracy gives too much credit to an industry that deserves absolutely none. These people will work with anyone, even play both sides of the fence as long as it makes a profit.
I thank the powers that be that I dragged myself out of that hole a long time ago. I never did drugs. Ironically I learned from my stepfather’s example. I saw how the business and the drugs destroyed him and all around him. And I vowed never to become like him.
It’s quite simple Legions. The drug business is not some racist conspiracy. It’s simply a pyramid scheme fueled by human suffering and greed. The money flows to the top, and most street dealers on bottom make less per day on average than working at McDonald’s. (Don’t believe me? Find a book called Freakonomics. There’s a good chapter on how a drug gang works financially. Quite accurate.) I’ve seen people of all colors and creeds participate. It’s simply a very depraved business. One that quite frankly, needs to be ruthlessly crushed. Get your talking points straight. Also check your spelling and punctuation will ya?
Yes Eric, people need to take responsibility and not use drugs. However ‘browns’ are not the only people who sell drugs. Whites are not the only ones who buy them. Listen to the clip again. She refers to Mexican families whose values have been eroded by drugs. In other words some Mexicans well, may just be buying and doing drugs. Ya think?
It sounds like the two of you are simply peddling what someone called the bigotry of low expectations. Whites are white, so they must buy and do drugs right? Hence, Mexicans just sell them right? And don’t tell me - African and Mexican Americans are just poor because they are right? I’m part Scottish, Mexican and Native American. What does that make me? Schizophrenic?
No. I’m American, and damn it all, I will not be a victim. To anyone.
@Bradky - It is sad. I wonder how long it will take some to get past this shit and simply realize in this debate that there are only three types of people. Citizens, Legal Residents, and Illegal Aliens. That’s it. That these two simply believe we don’t get it is ignorant. I lived in some of those neighborhoods when I was younger. While some are poorer than others, poor overall knows no color. Anyone can be poor no matter what shade their skin is. Equally so, anyone can get into the drug trade. It just takes being a little bit ignorant and desperate in the beginning. Not to mention an ability to absolutely ignore the chaos you sow around yourself. In the form of shattered lives, lost jobs, broken families, homes, neighborhoods and bodies. While illegal immigration benefits the Mexican government, for the cartels it is a potential conduit to new markets. Allow illegal immigration, and the drugs will follow. Tres mal indeed.
Suihei Deloi on July 22, 2007 at 3:11 AM
Ummm, no and I certainly don’t support drug dealers by buying their products nor do I blame all of my lack of attention to my children on a few dozen Mexican Drug dealers….
Who I agree should be behind bars but most of the meth in Iowa is home grown acording to their state police they do mention that some is coming in from Mexico and OTHER States because they rank 6th in the country in drug abuse
http://www.state.ia.us/government/odcp/docs/Trends_4-30-07%20_2_.pdf
So as I knew when I saw Grandma’s statement that it was totally and completely false that Iowa has had a drug problem for years and most of it is and has been domestic
Mexicans had nothing to do with the hundreds of thousands of stoned people in Iowa
EricPWJohnson on July 22, 2007 at 8:59 AM
Bottom line about the border situation….since Bush lost his legacy of being George Washington to a bunch of illegal aliens from Mexico, he will make this country pay for it by not doing his job and securing the borders of this nation.
My next question would have to be…why would the majority of Americans in this country (the majority also being opposed to the last “comprehensive immigration bill”) vote for the Dummiecrat Party who most certainly will pass a “comprehensive immigration bill”? If the Republican candidate for president in ‘08 continues to use this subject during the ‘08 race, will he win?
lynnv on July 22, 2007 at 9:02 AM
Lynnv
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/ICE-06AR.pdf
there is more border enforcement, deportations, arrests and detentions going now than ever before in US history. Some are reporting that illegals numbers have dropped significantly, you need to actually go to the ICE website and review the numbers this year alone there are more deportations, the time to deport has dropped to a third and the activity in 6 months has surpassed the entire CLINTON era
You can be angry he has not done more or not stopped it yet (which apparently he has very few now are getting through) but to say he wants to do nothing about it is patently false
EricPWJohnson on July 22, 2007 at 9:13 AM
Sorry heres the executive summary
http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/factsheets/2006accomplishments.htm
According to a Miami Newspaper ICE deportations have crossed the 400,000 mark this year already
Thats alot of nothing
EricPWJohnson on July 22, 2007 at 9:21 AM
What you said earlier was so far from the truth to be laughable, nor was it just “a little over the top”. I’d expect to see crap like that in Klan literature.
Rhetoric like yours is quite simply the type of racist crap that gets law abiding LEGAL citizens of
Bradky on July 22, 2007 at 1:40 AM
Bradky…If you want to talk racist and Klan crap look no further than your mexican friends who clearcut down entire neighborhoods. To get rid of all other people they dislike..I tried my best to make friends with them yet they had a different agenda.. And yes I believe there is so much drug cartel money they don’t even know what to do with it so they launder it up here. You can only launder so much threw the banks and I believe a lot goes to the illegals to set up businesses buy houses, cars. Smaller things that can be filtered in without being noticed..You are right about one thing..I am being taken down to their level..a level of racist,hate and intolerance..I didn’t want to go down there they sent me there..And until you wake up every morning in a state of panic..and intimidation..walking your yard picking up the chicken bones trying to choke your dog to death..picking up the garbage they would throw on my lot..And heres the best one they actually took out pain windows so there music would blast into our house even louder..And all the rest of your so called good mex. people did nothing to stop them..I mean they could have called the police to complain about ending a party at 1 am and leaving the music playing in the backyard for another hour or two with no one even out there. Yet, like I said it was me against them and THEY WON..Sorry to offend you with the ugly true life stories of these people and what is really happening out there..
Legions on July 22, 2007 at 9:27 AM
Face it pal, you want to be racist, you thrive on it, and you need to be racist. Apparently it is the only thing that makes you feel alive.
That’s the reality. Sorry about your experience but that doesn’t paint all Hispanics as racist or druggies.
It was your statements about drugs, white women, and “anchor poppers” that shows your real agenda.
If there were no demand for drugs the cartels wouldn’t be trying to get it into the US. By your implied logic Americans are just too weak willed and devoid of character to avoid getting involved with drugs.
Bradky on July 22, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Bradky on July 22, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Like I said.. We have to go down to their level.. Need to fight fire with fire.. And yes, once again I do tend to get carried away when I think about what they are capable of doing to non hispanics.. So your right..I need not to go down there to that level..after all,they will eventually be exposed by their own actions..and for me to use anchor poppers instead of anchor babies was wrong..
Legions on July 22, 2007 at 11:21 AM
If the Congress would take repsonsibility, the first step would be to end the “anchor baby” access to citizenship. Mexicans and Canadians, and anyone who can drive through Mexico without getting caught, beaten and thrown in jail byt he Mexicans for the cheek to cross their territory, like Guatemalans and Salvadorans, have more opportunities to avail themselves of what has become nothing more than a gimmick than any other person in the world hoping to immigrate to the USA. Legal-born children with illegal parents is the very club that is being used to pound Americans into accepting law-breakers on highly lurid grounds of pity, cruelty to children and racist coldheartedness, keeping the debate firmly away from the underlying disrepect for the nation’s foudnation of Rule of Law.
A for bone-wrenching poverty, some perspective: Mexico is ranked as a “Middle Income Nation” by the World Bank, with an annual per capita GDP of $6,000. Compare that to a “Low Income Country” like India with a measly $300 GDP per person or ANY of the “Low Income” Subsaharan African countries with per cap GDPs of under $600.
Yeh, there’s poverty in Mexico, but there’s Walmart, too. Not a single Walmart in Subsaharan Africa, not a McDonald’s, nor a Burger King. If POVERTY was the real reason driving this AND bending backwards to allow “brown” people to come in illegally just cause they’re “brown”,otherwise Americans are to be labelled as racists, then Africans deserve far more to enter the USA than Mexicans. Their standard of living is lower, their annual incomes lower, the strife and oppression is higher and they’re a lot “browner.” Zimbabwe has a population about to starve to death, with a devastated economy running at over 3,000% inflation thanks to a murderous dictator-for-life Mugabe, shouldn’t they have the “pathos” precedent over Mexicans who can get food, and televisions? They’re browner and more needy, and if we really CARED, we’d pull our troops out of Iraq and invade Harare. Or, just open our borders to them to literally save their lives.
Don’t hear a SINGLE Mexican-immigration supporter mutter even a syllable in favor of African immigration to the USA, ever ever. So, “Caucasians” being prejudiced against “browns” isn’t the truth. Rule of Law is the issue.
naliaka on July 22, 2007 at 11:51 AM
IS HOTAIR BEING “PUNKED” HERE? YOU PEOPLE ARE JOKING RIGHT?
NO ONE WITH A WORKING BRAIN COULD TAKE CENSUS DATA SERIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO COUNTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! DO YOU EVER REMEMBER SEEING ILLEGALS LINED UP TO ANSWER A CENSUS? DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY OPEN THE DOOR AND INVITE THE CENSUS TAKERS IN FOR TEA? GET REAL. STOP QUOTING THESE RIDICULOUS STATS OF 3.7% HISPANICS, ETC. DIOS MIO!
NightmareOnKStreet on July 22, 2007 at 12:25 PM
From my experience, I agree with the above. None of the illegals I know answer the door.
ColtsFan on July 22, 2007 at 1:12 PM
Since I live in a predominantly “Blue State”, I personally know a lot of Democrats who are really upset at their own party leadership over the subject of illegal immigration. And then these same people look at Bush, McCain and think, “well, the GOP is also weak on illegal immigration too.”
ColtsFan on July 22, 2007 at 1:23 PM
I know moderates and liberals at work, who ask, “we are in Iraq why? We are trying to secure Iraq’s border security and trying to clamp down on Afghanistan’s porous border with Pakistan, and yet the USA cannot even address its own borders with Mexico?
You are correct. An “enforcement-first” approach will indeed pick up moderates and a few liberals that I know.
ColtsFan on July 22, 2007 at 1:28 PM
In the future, America may never ever be destroyed by a large foreign fleet on “the high seas,” or by a different foreign adversary in a technologically advanced war.
Rather, it just might likely be that America is destroyed internally from within.
ColtsFan on July 22, 2007 at 1:38 PM
That is the central issue: the rule of law. How can any culture or nation survive without the rule of law?
ColtsFan on July 22, 2007 at 1:46 PM
Thackeragency
the 91% were those in court ordered and coluntary drug rehabilitation programs
Or junkies as we used to call em
EricPWJohnson on July 22, 2007 at 1:51 PM
But Bush is still trying to be a “George Washington” to a different audience in another part of the world. When Bush flew to Albania and proclaimed his desire for Kosovo independence, he made a lot of immigrants mad here in the States. I cannot tell you how upset many Serbian, Croatian immigrants I know are at Bush. One Croatian legal immigrant told me recently, “how can Bush advocate independence for Kosovo. Kosovo is Serbia. That is similar to a foreign leader wanting independence for Arizona and California.”
ColtsFan on July 22, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Go down to their level? Because you say something is true with absolutely no proof?
Your logic of “fight them at their level” is simply saying it is okay to take the law into your own hands because you don’t like illegals and are not uncomfortable with the idea that innocent American citizens could get hurt or killed — guess as long as you are the right color, the ends justify the means?
People with your mindset are lower than scum, represent the ugliest side of humanity, and certainly don’t believe in the American ideals of fairness. You’d be far more comfortable in the third reich…..
Bradky on July 22, 2007 at 3:17 PM
This is not directed solely at Bradky, just a general request. Can we get back to highlighting THE QUOTE and its author instead of just the author’s signature line? It is especially difficult, when the author being referenced has posted several times in that particular thread, to discern which of the author’s comments are being replied to.
Please forgive my many grammatical errors, etc. And if I am the ONLY one who is having this problem, I apologize. Chalk it up to sleep deprivation: hand-feeding 9 English Mastiff puppies every 3-4 hours for the last 2 weeks has wreaked havoc with my brain cells. I might have to skip the political blogs and start reading something lighter. Does anyone know if Highlights Magazine for Kids is available online? Or even exists? I’m up for some “Hidden Pictures”… ;o)
NightmareOnKStreet on July 22, 2007 at 6:15 PM