Pakistani leaders on their way to tribal area to beg Taliban for peace

posted at 2:40 pm on July 20, 2007 by Allahpundit

Caveat to my praise in the last thread for Bryan’s post on Musharraf: it’s true only if Mush doesn’t remain mushy about the tribal areas. Oh well:

As the [attacks] against the Pakistani military are ongoing in North Waziristan, the government continues to press for a “peace deal” with the Taliban. Today, the government of the Northwest Frontier Province dispatched a helicopter filled with local tribal representatives to negotiate with the Taliban. “We are going to Miranshah to discuss the peace accord with Taliban leaders,” Malik Waris Khan, a member of the “peace” jirga told the Daily Times. “The jirga left after a meeting with NWFP Governor Ali Jan Aurakzai. Sources said the jirga members were driven to a secret location to meet Maulana Gul Bahadar, a senior Taliban commander.”…

The current negotiations in North Waziristan are frequently referred to as the Pakistani government applying both the carrot and the stick to deal with the Taliban. This depiction is inaccurate, as the current actions of the government can be better described as the carrot and the punching bag. The government sends in negotiators as the military continues to get pummeled by the Taliban and al Qaeda suicide bombers and commando teams.

I’ve been posting stuff in the headlines the past few days about the relentless attacks going in Pakistan but follow the link and take in the whole vista as laid out by Roggio. They’re negotiating under fire to resuscitate a deal which already, by their own admission, constituted a “policy of appeasement.” What on earth is the new deal going to look like? Also, Roggio doesn’t mention it but keep in mind going forward that two of the highest profile attacks in Pakistan over the past month have been on Chinese workers. It was the kidnapping of Chinese massage parlor employees by Red Mosque jihadis and resulting complaint from the Chinese government that allegedly forced Musharraf to act against the Ghazi brothers. And according to Pakistani security agents, a car bomb that killed 30 Chinese workers outside Karachi yesterday was meant specifically for them, in what I guess was some sort of reprisal. The Times of London thinks it might indicate a broader regional reaction to Chinese “colonialism.” I wonder if it’s not aimed at instigating a backlash against the Chinese Uighurs which could then be exploited as another jihadi cause celebre.

The big news in Pakistan today has nothing to do with terrorism, actually. The chief justice, whom Musharraf tried to railroad so that he wouldn’t block his attempt to remain president and army chief of staff simultaneously, has been reinstated by the supreme court to the great delight of most of the population. Which means Mushy’s at his political nadir at the very moment when he’s negotiating with the Taliban and the news about AQ having spread from the tribal areas throughout the country on his watch is on the wires. Exit question: Isn’t it time for the U.S. to throw its support to Benazir Bhutto and the democratic opposition, notwithstanding Bryan’s sage advice?

Update (Bryan): Tread carefully into support for democracy in Pakistan.

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Do the Jihadis realize what the Chinese would do to them if they get sufficiently PO’d ? They’d beg to go to Gitmo after the Chinese were done with them.

Number 2 on July 20, 2007 at 2:48 PM

When the number of individual fires becomes high enough, and while we’re running around like chickens without heads trying to put out one blaze after another, it would be a good idea to remember what and where the fuel is, and cut-off the supply.

Coordinates anyone?

JiangxiDad on July 20, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Do the Jihadis realize what the Chinese would do to them if they get sufficiently PO’d ?

What we would have done to them when we were still run by strong men.

JiangxiDad on July 20, 2007 at 2:53 PM

Begging for peace…wow, what a plan. That has been so successful in the past. Terrorists certainly admire weenies.

katieanne on July 20, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Pakistan…..310,000 sq miles
Texas……..267,000 sq miles

Pakistan…..170,000,000 souls
Texas…….. 28,000,000 souls

Good luck Mushy…..you’re gonna need it.

Limerick on July 20, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Terrorists certainly admire weenies.

Don’t think they have those over there. It’s a religious thing.

JiangxiDad on July 20, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Mushy would make a great Dhemocrat.

Peace through weakness. Riiiiight.

Mojave Mark on July 20, 2007 at 3:08 PM

Musharraf needs to “give peace a chance”. Then he can call for air support. He’s doing it in the right order, now he needs to take the next step before September.

No free elections please until there is a free population.

TunaTalon on July 20, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Pakistan negotiating with the Taliban — ah yes, the Dems must be so proud of Mush (dealing with threats like a true-blue donkey).

Rick on July 20, 2007 at 3:32 PM

Pakistan is going down, it’s only a matter of time. We had better get used to the idea and be prepared for a jihadi led country with nukes.

JackStraw on July 20, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Doesn’t anyone in Europe read history? Doesn’t anyone remember the 30′s? Good grief. You would think after all that has happened in Europe, they would learn something from the past. Appeasement doesn’t work. Coming from weakness doesn’t work. Victory comes from strength. Why are liberals so ashamed of a strong US? You know, I really think they would be happier if we struggled and were a failure in the world.

katieanne on July 20, 2007 at 3:55 PM

The good news (if there is any in this) is that AQ is now hitting the Chicoms. Perhaps that will finally get them on board with the WOT. They can’t afford a Talaban type government with nukes right next door that is hostile to them.

The Chinese will not be too worried about world opinion when and if they deal with it.

conservnut on July 20, 2007 at 4:06 PM

Now those are some smart folkes. I guess there is no place in life for a little fun. It shows just how brainwashed and mentally sick so many of those jihad sheeple really are.

I don’t think they have the juice to take over the world. Once we no longer need their oil, they will go back to begging.

saiga on July 20, 2007 at 4:39 PM

It’s been apparent to me for some time that Mushy is a Democrat. Hope India and Israel have their targets locked because this isn’t going to end well.

And don’t expect the Chinese to get too upset over losing a few people, they won’t. Business is much more important than a few or even a lot of their people, I promise.

Buzzy on July 20, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Buzzy on July 20, 2007 at 4:59 PM

True. But if the Talibanists and their al-Qaeda friends try to export their dream of a Caliphate to Red Chinese real estate, expect the old men in Beijing to react very badly. As in “massive military response” badly.

If you think about it, Pakistan and Afghanistan are much easier-to-invade objectives from the Chinese POV than Tibet was. And they’ve already “been there, done that”. And they’re still there, almost half-a-century later, world opinion be d**ned. The PLA has probably had “contingency plans” for taking Islamabad and Kabul for at least forty years. It wouldn’t take a great deal of “provocation” for those plans to be dusted off, and orders cut. After which, Pakistan and Afghanistan would probably end up as the newest Chinese provinces.

At which point the bulk of the Islamic world, which lies mostly west and south of Kabul, would have an uncomfortable fact to deal with. Namely, that they would then be in a direct confrontation with a regional power that has them outnumbered, outgunned, has enough “regional reach” to hit virtually every center of gravity they have- and which frankly does not care what the “politically correct”, at home or abroad, think.

The result could be very nasty, indeed. All around.

/just an observation.

cheers

eon

eon on July 20, 2007 at 6:00 PM

I have some sympathy for Musharraf. He is in a very difficult position. If he comes down too hard on the Taliban he will be seen as caving in to U.S. pressure. He’s got to walk a tightrope on this one to prevent pissing off to many of his countrymen. He’s got a political situation that we really don’t understand over here.

Here’s what I think is the key graph from the worldpublicopinion link:

Most significantly, large majorities approve of many of al Qaeda’s principal goals. Large majorities in all countries (average 70 percent or higher) support such goals as: “stand up to Americans and affirm the dignity of the Islamic people,” “push the US to remove its bases and its military forces from all Islamic countries,” and “pressure the United States to not favor Israel.”

These countries don’t want Western (read U.S.) values foisted on them, they want to retain their cultural and historical identities.

Regarding the graph that Bryan posted, I think the question may be interpreted differently by the people in these countries than it is by people in the U.S. It is probably more akin to asking a conservative if he wants the Constitution strictly interpreted by our judges. I think the question that should have been posed is do you want a Taliban-like enforcement of Shari’a law. That is something that would transcend the cultures more clearly.

Snidely Whiplash on July 20, 2007 at 7:19 PM

And I just went over and gave this guy a thumbs up in that piece from yesterday. I wish I could get on here more often.

PowWow on July 20, 2007 at 11:30 PM

It’s clear that we need to change the rules of the game in Pakistan if we’re ever going to defeat al Qaeda. If the Chinese come in, that’d be great. But aside from that, what if we declared (or got the UN to declare- yeah right) that Waziristan is defacto its own country since Pakistan is clearly unable to enforce its laws there.

THEN we can go into Waziristan with the kind of force that’s needed to flush out AQ. It may well precipitate a coup against Musharraf, but we know that was going to happen anyway.

I’m really tired of seeing us trying to win this war when we’re letting ourselves be locked out of the core battlefield because of a seemingly no-win situation.

JennyP on July 21, 2007 at 2:37 PM