Dave R. on July 23, 2007 at 10:26 AM

Am I surprised that it’s news to a fred?head that fred? is a fake and a liar? Nope. Most of you ignore his history in favor of a perception he has manufactured out of thin air.

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csdeven on July 22, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Really? News to me. I think many conservatives are allowing themselves to be manipulated by the liberal MSM, in this case the shamelessly Marxist LA Times, just like they did with the Foley non-scandal just prior to the last mid term election.

Fred is the only true conservative who can win in the South. Romney has no chance here.

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Fred probably is pro-life to the core, it’s just that his needless cover-up shows him for the inexperienced fool he is.

Yeah, but the groupies aren’t voting for fred?. They are voting for some character he played on a TV show he was on. I hear that guy was totally hip and righteous!

Nonsense. What do the “pro-lifers” do about the millions of kids born to unfit single mothers? Do they raise them? Do they raise 1% of them? No, those kids eventually grow up and enter our welfare system, our prison system, or the morque. What about the 30,000 kids that die of malnutrition everyday in the third world, kids that were not planned? Do the “pro-lifers” raise those kids? Do they even care? Talk about dispensible humanity. And those kids are not cells. They are the real deal.

First: Unsupported straw-men and Red herrings.

Second: Catholic Charities. You’ve heard of them right? You know, the ministry that goes around to every despotic hellhole in the world and helps the poor and suffering, running completely off the donations of the charitable?

Third: Perhaps you also missed the stem-cell debate. My issue is with the embryonic stem cells, which have caused no scientific advances. The only thing they’ve done is killed off a bunch of embryos on a theory that didn’t work. Adult stem cells don’t require the destruction of a human embryo to be obtained, and have already been used in many modern scientific advances. Seriously jihadwatcher, if the left started opposing the Islamofascists would you change your party? You’ve thus far parrotted every left-wing screed I’ve ever heard used against pro-lifers, including the laughable “you don’t support science!” and “you haven’t adopted every single solitary suffering child in the world!”

The equivalent on the issue jihadwatcher understands would be:

“You don’t support religious tolerance! and How many jihadis have you killed? Do you personally fight them? Not even 1%? No, those moderate muslims are just regular people who don’t support extreme Islam. What about the Muslims who suffer racial profiling at airports! Do you want them to suffer? Do you even care? Talk about fighting Islamofascism. You don’t fight jihadis at all. You aren’t the real deal.

Admit it. This is not about fighting islamofascism at all. This is about hating the brown people, and even supporting racial profiling. Equate that with a desire to fight Islamofascism?”

If you want to continue to live in ignorance jihadwatcher, that is your choice. Next time don’t show up to a dogfight with a hang glider.

Oh, and this particular branch-off discussion has little or nothing to do with Fred or his non-candidacy. The whole damn thing started when our brilliant contributor jihadwatcher had the gall to call me a one-issue voter, assumed I didn’t support Fred because of his stance on that one issue, and then attacked me for it by assaulting the issue he thinks I know the most about it.

Fred isn’t that important to any discussion of this nature (or most discussions at all). He used to lobby for pro-choice groups, then he said he was always pro-life, then he retracted it. Fred probably is pro-life to the core, it’s just that his needless cover-up shows him for the inexperienced fool he is. For anyone who bothered to listen instead of bloviate and make accusations, I said I’d vote for Fred if he won the primary. However, I want a better, more experienced man who could win the general to win the primary.

Then what IS IT jihadwatcher? Its obviously alive, and obviously human.

Yes, it is just as much alive as the bacteria in my stomach. But it is not a human. It is part of a human, just like the bacteria is apart of me. The fact that you would equate those cells with a human being, and therefore equate abortion with murder, or more absurd yet, equate abortion with terrorism, says it all. Anti-abortionists can not be reasoned with. They are so ideologically and emotionally invested in that absurd equivalence that they are blind to reason.

Pro-lifers are the ones who overwhelmingly create all-volunteer centers to help the born and the unborn in need.

Nonsense. What do the “pro-lifers” do about the millions of kids born to unfit single mothers? Do they raise them? Do they raise 1% of them? No, those kids eventually grow up and enter our welfare system, our prison system, or the morque. What about the 30,000 kids that die of malnutrition everyday in the third world, kids that were not planned? Do the “pro-lifers” raise those kids? Do they even care? Talk about dispensible humanity. And those kids are not cells. They are the real deal.

Admit it. This is not about protecting “life” at all. That is a euphemism. This is about a quasi-religious ideology that forbids not just abortion on dogmatic grounds, but even using stem cells to cure disease. Equate that with the mandate to “protect life”?

I believe it is immoral to use abortion as a form of birth control but only because women shouldn’t be resorting to medical procedures to cover up their irresponsible sexual proclivities. They should have used birth control. But then again, most anti-abortionists are opposed to birth control as well. So go figure.

Dave R. on July 22, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Yeah, there are a few here who are single issue abortion voters. But there haven’t been any in this thread. The main problem with fred? is that he is a fake and a liar.

You hard-core zealots are one of the groups that helped the dims re-gain control of congress in the last election.

Get over yourselves. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate.

BKennedy on July 21, 2007 at 8:55 PM

Terms like embryo, fetus, etc. get used a lot without regard to what they actually mean. jihadwatcher, the “few cells of totally unaware throbing protoplasm” you speak of is actually the early stages of embryonic development, lasting a couple of weeks at most, and the embryonic stem cells are actually harvested from these at less than one week after fertilization. The term “fetus” is only used beginning with the ninth week of development, at which point the major organ systems are all in place, and continue to develop until birth. Viability currently starts at about 23 weeks, but it is likely that this will get pushed back further as medical technology progresses.

There are many who use the term “life begins at conception” to oppose any form of abortion and some forms of birth control, and while this is technically true, and the embryo is “human” in the sense that it is made up of human cells, it is most definately not the same as the fetus will have developed just a couple of short months later.

At the risk of making this a debate on abortion, let me say that I do not equate a human life with a fetus.

Then what IS IT jihadwatcher? Its obviously alive, and obviously human. Otherwise there would be no need for abortion. Nonliving beings do not grow and emerge nine months later as human babies.

Not even close. To do so, is dogma, which everyone is entitled to, but surely can not be the basis for law for everyone else.

You’re right, a law which says it is wrong to slaugter human beings in the womb cannot be applied universally because… uh, because jihadwatcher doesn’t think the unborn count. Counting the unborn is subscribing to a dogma jihadwatcher cannot accept. Jihadwatcher doesn’t accept Islamist dogma either, which is fine for him. Unlike islamists nutters though, the unborn are completely innocent, and opposing their universal right to live is just as dangerous to the American culture as supporting a terrorist’s right to kill in the name of Allah.

And don’t even go down the animal rights warpath jihadwatcher (seriously, incorporating PETA’s line? What kind of fool do you take me for?). Animals are not and can never be human beings, and there are many, many standards for treatment that must be followed regarding experiments. We aren’t cooking dogs in ovens (well, maybe the chinese or filipinos, but they kill them first).

To be morally righteous about a few cells of totally unaware throbing protoplasm

You know, its funny how the pro-aborts started with your “just a few cells of throbbing protoplasm” until they built it up to partial birth abortion. Do tell me jihadwatcher, how did the slope get so slippery? Probably because it isn’t zealotry on my part, the pro-aborts really DO think human life that doesn’t meet their arbitrary standard is disposable.

when you care not for the real suffering both human and animals, not in the womb but already born,

Did you rip this one from plannedparenthood.org? Pro-lifers are the ones who overwhelmingly create all-volunteer centers to help the born and the unborn in need. It is Planned Parenthood and others like them that run a multi-million dollar abortion industry. They have a compelling financial interest in making sure nothing gets in the way of their operations.

that no election, or candidate, ever addresses, is morally and intellectually bankrupt.

Funny, I remember A LOT of wailing and gnashing of teeth by the likes of NARAL and NOW about the Roberts and Alito nominations. Can we then infer you were asleep during that process?

So really, I find that anti-abortionists are not outraged because of any real suffering of sentient entities.

So then I suppose the girls who are raped by the child predators Planned Parenthood protects aren’t “sentient entities,” nor are the the thousands upon thousands of women that regret their abortions and suffer stress over it for the rest of their life, or the women whose fertility is destroyed by the invasive, unnatural procedure. Or the omen who die from botched abortions. Guess those aren’t “sentient beings” to jihadwatcher, probably because jihadwatcher gets all his information from trusted sources like “what is a golden shower?” teenwire and their parent organization Planned Parenthood.

I’d recommend not continuing a discussion in which you are hopelessly uninformed and outgunned jihadwatcher. If you really think someone’s a one-issue voter, why on earth would you challenge them on their supposed area of expertise? Seriously jihadwatcher, I’m in solidarity with you in taking on the Islamist threat, but only a fool employs a frontal assault against the storngest wall of a fortress.

A cat or a dog is much more sentient, developed both physically and mentally than a tiny fetus, yet we kill them when we don’t need them, we cage them, we use them in nazi-style experiments, and we do so by the millions. Where’s your outrage at that suffering? Where’s your compassion for that? Cows and pigs? We inhumanely breed and slaughter them by the tens of millions just for meat that none of us really needs to eat, except for its taste. Then we have millions of children both into starvation and war, or born into bad familes, destined to suffer and die simply because birth control was not used.

To be morally righteous about a few cells of totally unaware throbing protoplasm, when you care not for the real suffering both human and animals, not in the womb but already born, that no election, or candidate, ever addresses, is morally and intellectually bankrupt. But then, to be opposed to stem cell research that can cure disease wile killing nothing, is of course, the logical extension of that illogical dogma. Even a stem cell raises the ire of an anti-abortionist, just like a cartoon raises the ire of an islamist.

So really, I find that anti-abortionists are not outraged because of any real suffering of sentient entities. There is none. It is not a sense of compassion that outrageous them. They are outraged merely at a concept. Just like the muslims are outraged at concepts that offend them, but not outraged at the real human misery around them. For that they have no compassion.

What do you find so neccesary about slaughtering a human being in the womb where you feel it must be protected as a right?
BKennedy on July 21, 2007 at 4:30 AM

It seems that he has a single issue focus. That being killing jihadists. That’s cool, but we as Americans have to make this country something worth fighting the jihadists for. That means protecting the unborn to the extent it is possible and not trying to make it an either or issue.

He is supporting the murder of babies and the killing of islamo fascists.
You are supporting the protection of babies and the killing of islamo fasists.

You hold the moral high ground.

jihadwatcher on July 20, 2007 at 11:37 PM

jihadwatcher, I’m no zealot, but you’re just another eyes wide shut enabler of the pro-aborts. You’re the functional equivalent of the “moderate Muslim” who still thinks the kufar do not deserve to live unless they submit to your standards for defining who matters (their standard is “must be a Muslim). The kufar are the unborn and your standard is that they have to be sufficiently large enough to be detected by the naked eye.

Was Terri Shaivo sentient enough for jihadwatcher’s standards? How does jihadwatcher feel about Dr. Kevorkian? Was he an “agent of mercy” for convincing the weak to remove themselves from the population? Kevorkian and the pro-aborts ALL profit off of the idea human beings are disposable when they are inefficent/imperfect.

“Old and disabled? You are inefficent. Shall I terminate you (out of mercy)?” “Still in your mother’s womb? You are inefficent. You will be terminated. Resistance is futile. You were made and you can be destroyed.” How do you deal with the Scott Peterson disparity. Cases keep popping up where people who kill pregnant women are charged with two counts of murder. So what do you think jihadwatcher? Why is it out legal system thinks these human beings count when they’ve been murdered by anyone other than their mother. They either ARE human beings or AREN’T jihadwatcher, there isn’t a third way.

Enabling child predators is real. Culling the black population is real. All of it is done “safe and legal” by a non-right that you want protected.

I’ll ask again jihadwatcher since you obviously didn’t read it the first time.

What do you find so neccesary about slaughtering a human being in the womb where you feel it must be protected as a right?

So far, I have yet to hear a good argument against Fred Thompson.

jihadwatcher on July 20, 2007 at 11:37 PM

Well, well. Color us surprised!

There have been plenty of legitimate criticisms of fred?. And I don’t mean his wifes hotness factor or his change on abortion. Stuff like his flat denial of the 1991 lobbying he did for a pro-choice group. You already said it’s ok with you that fred? lies to us, so of course, you don’t view that as a good argument.

CFR is a huge problem for fred?, but you haven’t addressed that in this thread, so no one really knows why you don’t accept that as a legitimate argument against fred?.

fred? refuses to come clean on his abortion flip-flop. That speaks to his character, and again, you haven’t addressed that in this thread either, so no one knows why that isn’t a problem for you.

There are several other things I have issues with fred? over, and by themselves they are small, but when looked at in an overall sense, they reveal a pattern of behavior with fred? that he is desperately trying to hide.

After all, they only killed 3000 people once, but we Americans “kill” 3000 “people” every day, right? You would be happier at KOS, using that kind of calculus and moral equivalence. jihadwatcher on July 20, 2007 at 11:37 PM

A human life is equal to a human life. Size is irrelevant and so is self awareness. Newborns lack self awareness too yet they’re protected. We’ve all been learning about the Koran lately, why don’t you crack open your bible and learn what God has to say about the value of human life.

In the eyes of God a human life regardless of location and size has significance, purpose, and meaning.

Sorry, but to any normal person, that’s a little unhinged.

So far, I have yet to hear a good argument against Fred Thompson.

Perhaps that will give him some “umff” to make up for his incoherent state of mind.

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Run Mitt! Run!

I just watched a video deriding every candidate for dropping Reagan’s name in speeches etc.

Well, I remember freds? appearance at the Lincoln Club in Orange County when he took credit for parts of a speech that Reagan gave. Of course there is no proof of that. And he didn’t stop there, he dropped Ahhnalds name and John Wayne’s also.

It starts about 3:20 into the vid. Make sure you have your puke bag with you, because it’s pandering vacuousness at it’s worst!