NYT: Billing records show Fred did lobby for abortion group; Update: Pro-Fred blogger apologizes to LA Times
posted at 8:44 am on July 19, 2007 by Allahpundit
Patterico beat me to the punch. What on earth was Mark Corallo thinking when he told the LA Times no way nuh uh never happened when he didn’t know that for a fact? Did the campaign even think to check the billing records? If not, or if they couldn’t, then why not just spin it in a more fact-friendly way from the outset? E.g., “He didn’t really want to lobby for them but he was new at the firm and felt obliged to do whatever they asked at first” or “His profound moral opposition to abortion didn’t calcify until he reached the Senate, as his voting record bears out.” Now, instead, they look like liars. Flashback:
Thompson spokesman Mark Corallo adamantly denied that Thompson worked for the family planning group. “Fred Thompson did not lobby for this group, period,” he said in an e-mail…
Corallo, the spokesman for Thompson, was asked Friday about the board minutes and the five people who said they recalled Thompson accepting the lobbying assignment. He responded in an e-mail, saying that Thompson “may have been consulted by one of [his] firm’s partners who represented this group in 1991.”
Corallo said it was “not unusual for one lawyer on one side of an issue to be asked to give advice to colleagues for clients who engage in conduct or activities with which they personally disagree.”
And now compare today’s Times:
Billing records show that former Senator Fred Thompson spent nearly 20 hours working as a lobbyist on behalf of a group seeking to ease restrictive federal rules on abortion counseling in the 1990s, even though he recently said he did not recall doing any work for the organization.
According to records from Arent Fox, the law firm based in Washington where Mr. Thompson worked part-time from 1991 to 1994, he charged the organization, the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association, about $5,000 for work he did in 1991 and 1992. The records show that Mr. Thompson, a probable Republican candidate for president in 2008, spent much of that time in telephone conferences with the president of the group, and on three occasions he reported lobbying administration officials on its behalf…
The billing records from Arent Fox show that Mr. Thompson, who charged about $250 an hour, spoke 22 times with Judith DeSarno, who was then president of the family planning group. In addition, he lobbied “administration officials” for a total of 3.3 hours, the records show, although they do not specify which officials he met with or what was said.
Patterico notes that Fred himself was careful all along to use the “lawyers don’t always agree with their clients” defense — which is weak in the context of an issue as morally important to the base as this one but beats lying, at least — and Corallo backed off his earlier blanket denial a few days after the LAT story broke, telling Politico, “He has no recollection of doing any work for this group. And since he was of counsel and not a member of the firm, it was not unusual for the firm’s partners to trot their clients in to meet him, get his views and even some advice.” (As Patterico notes, incredulously, they trotted people in for 19 hours?) But meanwhile, a meaningless story that should have been defused the first day suddenly has oxygen again 11 days later. And his third-tier opponents, at least, are already taking advantage.
Eh, I doubt it’ll matter. Pro-lifers have nowhere else to go realistically among the top candidates. Still, as Patterico says, “To me, the controversy over Fred Thompson’s alleged lobbying for an abortion rights group has little to do with his views on abortion, and more to do with his honesty.” Exit question: Does it? Or does it prove what his aides have been saying about the campaign not being ready for primetime yet, which is why they need to wait a while longer to declare? (Shortly after Labor Day, according to the Times.)
Update: Fred 29, Rudy 28.
Update: Nice job here by Joe Carter. He’s gone and violated the 12th Commandment — on the “Blogs For Fred” site, no less!
[T]hose of us on the front lines of the campaign are putting our integrity on the line whenever we defend our (still unannounced) candidate. When a spokesman for Thompson speaks on his behalf, we need to be able to trust that the message is honest and accurate. It also needs to be conveyed clearly, and not require the nuance of a DC lawyer to differentiate between fact and supposition.
I claimed that the LAT article was a “hit piece”, when the basic premise was later confirmed to be true. I implied that that the people from NFPRHA might be lying, only to find that their central claim–that Thompson lobbied for the group–was largely true. I may not agree with their motives, but it was wrong of me to unfairly malign the LAT and the NFPRHA leaders. I owe them both an apology.
I don’t like being wrong. I don’t like having to apologize to abortion advocates. And I really don’t like finding I put my own integrity in question.










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The fact that the NYT is so obsessed with him that they must dig as far as possible to come up with something as minuscule as this just makes me even more sure I’m voting for him.
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 8:52 AM
20 hours? C’mon! I’m a consultant myself. 20 hours is nothing! He wouldn’t even have time to read, digest and comment on a brief in 20 hours. I’m anti-abortion myself but this is a lot about not much…
sabbott on July 19, 2007 at 8:53 AM
He did 20 hours of work 16 years ago for some group. If it had been something over the course of several months and hundreds of hours then I could see people making an issue of this. Otherwise it just seems like desperation.
elBarto on July 19, 2007 at 8:54 AM
Am I the only one that’s sick of hearing about this issue. I really don’t care. I personally wish woman would choose to not seek abortions, but it is a personal choice. That’s it, case closed….
soulsirkus on July 19, 2007 at 8:55 AM
The point isn’t the time. The point is that they weren’t honest about it.
Allahpundit on July 19, 2007 at 8:56 AM
3.3 hours 10 years ago, take him out and shoot him, no that is too good for him, waterboard him, tear out his nails, hang him then shoot him.
right2bright on July 19, 2007 at 8:56 AM
OMG! Stone the guy! Move on
Wade on July 19, 2007 at 8:58 AM
Not even a moment’s pause that the campaign lied about this, huh?
Well, that’s ol’ Fred. He’s lyin’ for your own good.
Allahpundit on July 19, 2007 at 8:58 AM
Whether you like him or not, it looks like Fred was something less than honest here. If it had been Hitlarry or Obama in the same situation, you guys would be slicing and dicing them…be honest with yourselves.
Fred needs to come clean on this issue, publicly, clearly and very, very soon.
speed911 on July 19, 2007 at 8:59 AM
It’s amazing how different this comment section would’ve looked if “Rudy” was in there instead of “Fred”.
True.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:00 AM
Good point, amerpundit.
Allahpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:01 AM
Allah, you’re not going to get much of a negative reaction, if the past record is good for anything. When it comes to Fred, people put their hands over their ears and sing “LALALALA. I can’t hear you!” when it’s something they don’t like. However, if other candidates did the same thing, they’ll want to know all about it, to tell you how that just goes to show we need Fred.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:02 AM
:-)
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:04 AM
Could you name us a candidate that has not lied?
right2bright on July 19, 2007 at 9:05 AM
I like Fred Thompson but the deification of “Fred” by Allah here is getting rather annoying. By the way don’t assume that all conservatives want to make abortion illegal.
Hilts on July 19, 2007 at 9:05 AM
Fred supporters can spin away ANY cognitive dissonance.
“So what if Fred ate a baby on live tv? It was an ugly baby. And it’s not like whether or not he has eaten a baby will affect his ability to lead!”
e-pirate on July 19, 2007 at 9:05 AM
As a consultant, I’ve had to work for clients that I didn’t like, or travel to places I’d rather not have.
And lawyers sometimes represent clients they would rather not.
That’s how it goes.
The bills have to be paid, after all.
georgej on July 19, 2007 at 9:05 AM
It’s too late. Besides, this is just the tip of the iceberg with freds? lying.
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:05 AM
You are absolutely right. It’s called a double standard and hypocrisy. Simply because you like the man and hope he’s the next president, doesn’t mean you should publicly whitewash his faults. He screwed up, he should stand up like a man and admit it. That would go a lot farther than backpedaling and dishonesty….at least for me.
speed911 on July 19, 2007 at 9:05 AM
Deification? I criticized him in this very post. What are you talking about?
Allahpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:06 AM
Agreed. Although I will say that I couldn’t tell you what I did for a whole week 14 or 15 years ago without someone telling me, and yes, I was clean and sober at the time. So I’ll wait to see what Fred has to say about it.
But we all know cs won’t. He’s gonna be all over this one.
Kowboy on July 19, 2007 at 9:06 AM
Look you fred?heads, he didn’t lie 16 years ago. He lied 11 days ago.
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:06 AM
Politics. Everyone lies.
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 9:07 AM
No. The point is that no matter how much proof is shown to some people, they will continue to insist that Fred is something they want him to be not what he actually is and then if he gets elected by shocked, SHOCKED that Fred has changed so much.
Or, said more shortly, I told you so.
JackStraw on July 19, 2007 at 9:07 AM
BTW, if you asked me what project I was working on 20 or so years ago, I couldn’t recall either.
georgej on July 19, 2007 at 9:08 AM
I can’t remember what I worked on 2 days ago.
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 9:10 AM
If fred? is really the devil, then pointing out he only told one lie would look like deification. lol
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:10 AM
You’re probably right, but I no longer read or respond to cs. He’s far too redundant to spend time with.
Fred should remember this, since abortion is such a volitile issue for the republican party (I don’t care about the issue at all and I think it’s a waste of time). My guess is that he did remember and hoped to gloss over it….a very political thing to try. If he honestly didn’t remember, he needs to say so. Come clean, be honest, admit your faults and move on. We’re all only human, after all.
speed911 on July 19, 2007 at 9:11 AM
You got balls buddy! BIG HUGE HAIRY ONES!
hahaha
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:11 AM
If you can’t remember lobbying on behalf of a pro-abortion rights group when you claim to have always been pro-life and have your spokesman deny it ever happened when you are running for president, I won’t vote for you either.
It’s about honesty and integrity. That’s kind of important for a president, right?
JackStraw on July 19, 2007 at 9:13 AM
Hot. It’s a full-scale anti-Fred rebellion!
Allahpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:15 AM
Redundant? Like me telling you for months fred? is a liar? And now you want him to act like he was just some poor lost soul who needs to come clean and all will be forgotten?
And on top of that, the two of you have ALREADY dragged little old csdeven into the discussion. That’s laughable, and if you reallllly think about it, attacking me doesn’t really have the same effect in mitigating freds? behavior as it used to does it?
freds? a pathological liar! DEAL with it!
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:15 AM
Good thinking. “Everyone else makes a fool of me, it’s only right that Fred should too.”
Allahpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:16 AM
Not if your a Democrat.
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 9:16 AM
No excuse for coming clean on the past, however this would be newsworthy on a slow day but with things like Sex Ed for Kindergarteners ‘Right Thing to Do,’ Says Obama might be a bit more newsworthy.
Wade on July 19, 2007 at 9:17 AM
LOL! Obviously.
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 9:17 AM
He talked to the group’s prez for 16+ hours, ‘advising’ her. Heh.
Then he talked to an admin official for 3.3 hours about the group.
Maybe he was hot for Judith.
Oh, and how much of that time did he spend on hold? Stupid to not check (Corallo’s no Rove), but three hours is nothing.
TinMan13 on July 19, 2007 at 9:17 AM
True, all politicians may lie, but wasn’t Fred supposed to be different??? This is definitely a red flag to me because #1: he did it. #2: he AND his staff lied about it. Great point made earlier about how the reaction would be different if you changed the name of the candidate.
revolutionismyname on July 19, 2007 at 9:18 AM
First rule of public relations – never lie to the press and especially not about something that can be proven so easily.
Stupid.
Slublog on July 19, 2007 at 9:18 AM
Fred should have left those billing records in the Map Room.
Buy Danish on July 19, 2007 at 9:20 AM
The spokesman needs to be taken behind the shed for this one. And he certainly won’t be getting my vote.
RushBaby on July 19, 2007 at 9:20 AM
Exactly my point. Thaks for making it for me.
JackStraw on July 19, 2007 at 9:21 AM
Yawn. Looks like Fred lied, Rudy is pro choice and we’re not sure what Mitt is or when he wasn’t what he might be now. So I’m supposed to vote for Obama or Edwards… right? I get it.
Buzzy on July 19, 2007 at 9:21 AM
Maybe Fred should have “sandy burgled” those billing records.
Just sayin’
speed911 on July 19, 2007 at 9:23 AM
Oh my gosh! Now that the New York Times has revealed that Fred Thompson lobbied for some abortion rights group a couple of decades ago, I, a staunch conservative, can’t vote for him if he’s nominated. I’ll have to vote for Hillary instead.
Here’s what the NYT headline is really saying: CONSERVATIVES: DON’T VOTE IN ’08. IF YOU DON’T VOTE, WE CAN WIN. WE’LL GIVE YOU LOTS OF REASONS NOT TO VOTE. YOU’LL NEVER FIND A PERFECT CANDIDATE, SO YOU KNOW, STAY HOME. REMEMBER, DON’T VOTE IN 08.
It begs the question, what is the NYT so afraid of?
Rational Thought on July 19, 2007 at 9:24 AM
Fred’s Senate record indicates Pro-Life. Rudy’s staunchly Pro-Choice. What Pro-Life voter will now vote for Rudy because of this? I’m curious.
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 9:25 AM
And for all you campaign strategerists who thought Fred was so brilliant to sit on the sidelines this is exactly why it is a dumb idea.
Everyone knows Fred is running but he has been trying to set himself apart, run a different, shadow campaign. That makes him a very intruiging target for the prerss. He has put himself in a different, higher place and there is nothing more the press loves than to chop away at the unique.
As Jimmy Cliff said, The harder they come, the harder they fall.
JackStraw on July 19, 2007 at 9:25 AM
Allah
asking someone to remember a few (20 hours in time billing many will tell you really is about 5 or 6 hours) hours going on 2 decades ago is a bit of a stretch.
EricPWJohnson on July 19, 2007 at 9:27 AM
Well I am not surprised. The piece that Powerline put up the other day with his lame excuses coupling lobbying and lawyering was eloquent, but suggested he was lying. Now here it is.
At least now we know for sure:
1) Whether he will lie to us
2) Whether his supporters will lie to themselves
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2007 at 9:29 AM
I agree that asking that of the candidate is a stretch, but that’s what a staff is supposed to do. The first thing a candidate should do is hire a nasty opposition research on your own side and get him to find dirt that will be thrown at you. Doesn’t look as though Fred did that.
Slublog on July 19, 2007 at 9:29 AM
Allah, I think the way this has played out, it’s more about the competence of the campaign than about whether Fred lied. That’s what you suggest at the end of your post, and that’s what I conclude in my latest post.
As others point out, it’s tough to remember 19 hours of work from 15 years ago. But given that fact, why do you have your spokesman issue a blanket denial? Answer: because you’re not ready for prime time.
Patterico on July 19, 2007 at 9:29 AM
Darn typos – that should read “hire a nasty opposition researcher on your own side…”
Slublog on July 19, 2007 at 9:30 AM
I am already figuring out scenarios that fred? will use to lie his way out of this.
The first one that comes to mind, that I have been trying to get the fred?heads to defend him on is his video to the National Right to Life Committee. In the video he says he has been with them since 1994 and he says as the years have progressed he has become more pro-life. THAT is a lawyers out right there. I have been looking for some statement that puts him on record in 1991 as pro-life. I haven’t found it yet, so if anyone else has that info, let me know.
Anyway, hoping for the off-chance that a fred?ite would catch the date reference, my issue has always been the lying and not the abortion issue.
So, short of finding a statement where he claims to have ALWAYS been pro-life, freds? got some cover. And, like the typical shyster lawyer he is, he hopes that little fact will hypnotize the groupies into forgetting that he is a damn liar. And dishonesty is an affront to conservative base values more than political stances on abortions.
So, now that I’ve done your research and given you fred?ites a way to defend fred? on the abortion lie, how do you defend his lying about not actually lobbying for the group? Besides as others have shown, giving him a pass on the lying while skewering other candidates for perceived lies?
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:31 AM
oh, and exit question: yes, he is not ready for prime time – he was able to answer questions about the flat tax even.
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2007 at 9:31 AM
Wait. Wait. The same AllahPundit that has said he’s becoming disenchanted with Rudy? The same Allah who brings every poll Fred leads in, to your attention? Are we talking about the same Allah?
You’re running for the Republican nomination for the President of the United States, and you don’t remember if you lobbied for an abortion group? Fine. Then, when people point out the fact you did, you say “I don’t recall” or something else. Then, when the NYT points out the records show you did, you’re silent.
Are you actually asking that question? “Yeah, he advised them, but, hey, he spent 15 minutes on hold!”?
I want to know how Obama would have teachers explain, to a five year old, where babies come from.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:31 AM
*Yawn*
His voting record speaks for itself.
TheBigOldDog on July 19, 2007 at 9:31 AM
*was not
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2007 at 9:31 AM
I think it’s nice that Republicans expect a little more out of their politicians than Democrats do. Daily Kos tends to ignore actual ‘scandals’ with their guys. Either that or claim any facts used against their team are a smear.
Having said that, this is all a non-issue. It’s an attempt by the MSM to peel off some conservative voters…that’s it. It certainly doesn’t hurt him with ‘independent voters’. Learn to identify motives and weigh the facts.
If you can remember what you had for dinner last Tuesday, or can tell me what project you were working on in 1994, I’d love to hear it. Personally, I can’t recall either.
Asher on July 19, 2007 at 9:33 AM
This whole article/comment section reminds me of a bumper sticker slogan. . . . . what was it. . . . ah yes.
“Fred lied, people died.”
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 9:33 AM
Then you don’t issue a flat denial.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:33 AM
Too bad his voting record can’t speak. Maybe it could’ve spoken for him, and we wouldn’t have gotten lies.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:35 AM
And this is the NYT…do you accept anything they say without a second source?
Asher on July 19, 2007 at 9:36 AM
Can you remember what you did 20 years ago on the job because I sure as hell can’t beyond broad strokes. I certainly can’t remember a project I spent just 20 hours on.
So in your eyes Fred’s a liar? Good. Remember that if he wins the nomination and you have to decide if you are going to support him or Billary. People will be sure to point out to you that you are knowingly supporting a person you believe to be a liar.
TheBigOldDog on July 19, 2007 at 9:37 AM
Twenty hours…TWENTY HOURS? All of this hub-ub for twenty hours worth of work? That has to be a teensy fraction of his normal working capacity. Like, five minutes a day or so, knowing how lobbyists bill hours.
Why do I get the feeling that the people most concerned about this are Rudy McRomney peeps? At least its not, hmm…I was for abortion before I voted against it before I voted for it, or sure, we can have gay marriage, but I won’t appoint judges who’ll actively RULE on gay marriage.
If this is the worst they can dig up on Fred, they’re pathetic excuses for a mainstream media.
E. M. on July 19, 2007 at 9:37 AM
Oh, please. I have great respect for some of you guys but this is getting ri-damn-diculous.
Fred ran as a pro-choice candidate for Senate. There are numerous videos and text floating around showing this to be true. Unless Fred is a functional moron, he knew that his position on this would be huge in the primaries and he has been doing everything possible not to address the issue. He won’t debate, he only takes softball interviews with the likes of Hannity and he conveniently forgets lobbying work which would put him in direct opposition to the primary base.
Your spokesman does not come out with a blanket denial unless he checks with you first. Fred knew exactly what he was doing.
Fred lied, supporters cried.
JackStraw on July 19, 2007 at 9:38 AM
‘Which is what would make I don’t remember, I would have check my records’ a much better answer then ‘Absolutely not, no way.’ His campaign said what the people wanted to hear with reference to that facts. If that doesn’t give you pause, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2007 at 9:38 AM
Of course it’s not. It’s Fred. I’ll run this down, one more time. When you’re running for the Republican ticket, and trying to appeal to religious Conservative groups, remembering whether or not you lobbied for abortion groups, is kind of significant.
Further, if you can’t remember, you say that, and look into it. You don’t deny it. You know what happens in a court room when you say “I never lobbied for abortion groups”, and it turns out you did?
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:39 AM
Well, exactly. Why even deny it, then? Just say, “Yeah, he did 20 hours of work for them.”
Allahpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:40 AM
One more thing. I don’t care what that specific media source’s “motives” are, if what they’re saying is true, and significant.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:40 AM
My wife and I took orders for, delivered and set up a boat load of flowers at a local KKK’rs funeral about 5 years ago.
They paid well. Last I checked I haven’t put any burning crosses in yards. Just say’n.
Limerick on July 19, 2007 at 9:41 AM
Not if you didn’t think you ever did it. People always overestimate their ability to remember the past. The problem seems to get worse as you get older and you start to feel like 20 years ago was just yesterday.
TheBigOldDog on July 19, 2007 at 9:41 AM
When they’ve obviously done the research Fred’s campaign failed to do, then yes. They’ve got the billing records in hand and have caught the campaign in a lie.
Slublog on July 19, 2007 at 9:42 AM
bwhahahahha! (in my best spongebob squarepants laugh)
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:43 AM
Who released the billing records and why? I would think that billing records from 1991/2 would be buried deep in an archive somewhere. If they are accurate then AP is correct, Fred has some ‘splainin to do
WAm on July 19, 2007 at 9:43 AM
Do you think Fred is stupid in addition to already saying you think he is a liar? If Fred thought there was any possibility he lobbied for the group he would have said something much less committal. He, at the time, must have honestly thought there was no way he did any work for the group because, unlike you, I don’t think he is a liar or stupid.
TheBigOldDog on July 19, 2007 at 9:44 AM
Yeah, but did you lie about it to the NAACP?
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:44 AM
So, you’re saying Fred’s going to have trouble remembering things. That’s good.
Do you deny that you made the deliveries?
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:44 AM
I suppose Fred should probably throw in the towel. This is basically an impeachable offense if he’s President. Take your place in power murderbortion supporter Rudy. Enjoy the next 4 years Hillary! The office is yours! Yay! LOL.
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 9:44 AM
If Fred’s campaign had done their job, they would have found out the facts before issuing such a strong denial.
Slublog on July 19, 2007 at 9:45 AM
I’ll say it one more time……If it was Hitlarry Clinton who “forgot” that she had lobbied for someone and denied it completely, you guys would be foaming at the mouth, calling her a liar, declaring her candidacy over. If our politicians won’t be honest with us, we should at least be honest with ourselves.
If I am going to vote for Fred, this won’t change my mind. It’s not a huge deal to me. I’m just a little disturbed with the double standard being employed by the republicans on this issue.
speed911 on July 19, 2007 at 9:45 AM
If Fred thought there was any possibility he lobbied for the group he would have said something much less committal. He, at the time, must have honestly thought there was no way he did any work for the group…
TheBigOldDog on July 19, 2007 at 9:44 AM
Except he did lobby for them, and he did flatly deny it. We thought there was “no way he did any work for the group”, too. He told us so. Guess what?
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:46 AM
Let’s grant that assumption for a moment.
If he doesn’t remember, that means it didn’t make an impression on him at the time. If it didn’t make an impression on him, it didn’t conflict with his value system. If it didn’t conflict with his value system, he hasn’t been pro-life all his life.
(Not that the position matters as much as the honesty).
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2007 at 9:49 AM
the left is scared to death of Fred and Rudy, bottom line.
they want Romney, because he’s a mormon and think the ‘weird’ factor on that will do him in. Since mormons vote overwhelmingly repub, I expect lots of hit pieces on the religion by the MSM.
jp on July 19, 2007 at 9:49 AM
Yeah, that’s it. We want him thrown out. It can’t possibly be the fact that we want an explanation from his campaign.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:49 AM
The Fred campaign needs more nuance.
And more pictures of Mrs. Thompson as a distraction.
Hoodlumman on July 19, 2007 at 9:51 AM
As do I. But I’m not going to flip my lid over it.
Vaporman87 on July 19, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Here’s my thing. I don’t care that Fred lobbied for the group. If he and his campaign had come forward and said, “Yeah. He did some consultation for them.” to begin with, this wouldn’t have been an issue. Fact is, they flatly denied it. There was just no possible way he did. But, he did.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Wow Fred! threads build up comments quick!
csdeven, amerpundit……I understand your point. Agreed that the campaign staffers blew it. This isn’t Watergate,
Whitewater, or Shamnesty. Personally I am 110% against abortion, and you all know that. When Fred! gets up behind a microphone and explains his side of the story then I’ll decide if he did anything that would prevent me from voting for him. Something about this story stinks worse then my boat after a month of catfishing.
Limerick on July 19, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Perhaps it’s because you are partisan to a specific candidate and project that onto the rest of us? If you’ll bother to pay attention to most of the people who are holding fred? accountable, we are all doing it to find the best candidate for the republican ticket. The only way to do that is to be as hard on our guys as the Clinton smear machine will be in the general election. And since fred? is trying to avoid allowing us to properly vet him, while bragging that he has lots of support, he obviously has something to hide.
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Agreed. It puts a dent in Fred’s “I’m a straight talker” image.
Slublog on July 19, 2007 at 9:53 AM
A lie is a very strong accusation. Do you have any proof he knew he had done work for the group when he denied it?
Again, you are not only calling him a liar, you are calling him stupid. Stupid for thinking somebody like the NYT wouldn’t do something exactly like this.
First, people make mistakes. If you’re looking for perfection you’re going to have to wait for the second coming.
Second, Fred said he called around and asked people if he ever lobbied them and they said no. Maybe that was enough for him to issue the denial.
You people better get 4 years of Billary because you don’t have the good sense to observe the 11th Commandment over minor issue when the free of the World may hang in the balance. You’re all putty in the MSM’s hands. People better get their heads around that fact.
I support whoever wins the nomination period because the alternative is unthinkable.
TheBigOldDog on July 19, 2007 at 9:53 AM
I’m not asking you to. All I’m saying is that this shouldn’t be blown over. Again, if it was another candidate (Rudy, Romney, etc.), it would be the slam train in the comment section.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:53 AM
Another point here guys…..
Does this sound like the sort of mistake a seasoned, well qualified attorney would make, or does it sound more like a 40 year old power hungry person pulling the strings in the background mistake?
I figure the latter.
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:54 AM
The Ron Paul campaign would never lie to the American people.
Hoodlumman on July 19, 2007 at 9:56 AM
I’m not saying I won’t vote for the guy if he gets the nomination, but I’m disappointed.
And yes, his campaign lied when they issued a strong denial. Either that, or they were dumb enough not to do the research that would have prevented this story from happening.
Slublog on July 19, 2007 at 9:56 AM
OH, don’t you worry. In late September, there will be a movie released called “September Dawn”. It will start the necessary vetting of Mitt1 and his “wierd” religious beliefs. Just in time too, because we want all the dirt taken care of BEFORE the Clinton smear machine can do it during the general election.
csdeven on July 19, 2007 at 9:57 AM
Here’s the thing. If you don’t remember, say “We don’t recall”. Don’t deny it, and say you didn’t do it. Because if it turns out you did, that would be lying.
And yet, a newspaper was able to find it. Again, you’re trying to appeal to Christian Conservatives, and you don’t remember if you lobbied for an abortion group? That’s like not remember if you were in the KKK, while running to be President of the NAACP.
Why is it one extreme or the other? We want an explanation from the campaign. Your response is “You people better get 4 years of Billary”? Should we just ignore the fact that he said he didn’t, but turns out he did?
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:57 AM
I am Pro-Life.
I am the same age as his hawt bride.
I will vote for fred?
A. Because ABORTION IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A STATE’S RIGHTS ISSUE. DUH. DUH. DUH.
B. I Love that fred? “gets” the Generation Xers enough to marry one and admit what everyone already knows>>> that the BOOMERS are busted. SO LONG HILLARY.
seejanemom on July 19, 2007 at 9:58 AM
Which is what a campaign should do – find the dirt before it finds you.
Slublog on July 19, 2007 at 9:58 AM
Oh. My. God.
amerpundit on July 19, 2007 at 9:59 AM
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