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Just email me at the top left hand corner. Maybe we can then set up a running thread. Yes, me and PRCaldude work at the same website, but he is the owner.

Would you agree that future AI, computers, robot differ IN KIND from humans?

At the level of what I consider rational thinking, the human brain is a computer that is similar in a lot of important ways to a powerful AI. But AI as we would know how to create it would lack consciousness, and that is a difference in kind. I consider consciousness to be a kind of reality that is as basic as matter, energy, time, and space. If we could create consiousness, that wouldn’t be so different from creating one of those others. In fact an artificial consciousness wouldn’t really care about the real world except as a source of fuel. The only consciousness we know of however, depends upon God for it’s existence. BTW, I don’t believe there is any evidence for the existence of free will.

And that is because God breathed life into Adam.
pedestrian on July 19, 2007 at 2:05 AM

Would you agree that future AI, computers, robot differ IN KIND from humans? Or would you say the difference is not of KIND but of a degree only?

Computers, AI, and robots lack the capacity to think because they lack rationality.

It’s only a matter of a few decades before AI can make rational decisions that are far beyond human ability in a wide range of areas. Where humanity differs is that we have absolutely no idea how to make a machine conscious. The most capable computer we could conceive of, if it was left on its own wouldn’t for an instance realize that anything was missing from it’s existence. In comparison to even a severely mentally handicapped human, the most powerful computer would be an empty shell. And that is because God breathed life into Adam.

I guess it depends on what you call thinking.

You are correct. If we redefine thinking to mere computation, then, yes computers, robots are able to do advanced, highly complicated, game-scenario moves. But is this thinking? No.

Computers, AI, and robots lack the capacity to think because they lack rationality. I think it is because these non-human entities were never made in the image of God.

The simulation of active human consciousness (thinking) can never be duplicated, because we don’t understand ourselves, since it exceeds our self-awareness.

Can a machine dream? Or care?

If not, how can it do what we mean by think?

There will be truncated caricatures, but nothing more serious than a fun house mirror.

More dangerous, yes.

Because we are dangerous.

It’s not a robot post without humping!

lorien1973 on July 18, 2007 at 5:37 PM

only because I know you like robot humping so much, this is close, it’s about at mark 4:40 also
AP more Courtney Friel for you

Robots can compute, but robots cannot, nor will they ever in the future, think.

I think those chess playing computers would suggest otherwise. I also guess it depends on what you call thinking.

Robots can compute, but robots cannot, nor will they ever in the future, think.

Robots, artificial intelligence, and computers lack rationality.

Next, robot soccer. Which I think you’ll find precisely as “cool” as that dopey robot zoo.

IMO robot soccer is much cooler than the robot zoo. AI is starting to make some strides, but is still very primitive. I like the NOVA show about the DARPA challenge:

Cars that drive themselves! Yes, I am a proud tech geek.

Or fugu.

(With apologies to H.E.)

Now I need a cigarette.

That was cool watching that robot learn to walk up the ramp. It won’t be long now until we have humanoids.

I guess you didn’t see the post the other day of the Iraqi robotic soldier on the rocky terrain. Everyone here thought it was teh ghey, but it was really designed to fool the enemy (us) into not taking it seriously. Especially when it threw the grenade. While the enemy is laughing, a laser beam shoots out it’s chest and decapitates the infidel.

and Robots are created to actually serve a purpose, and they will faithfully and reliably carry that purpose out.

Hey, how about a robot post every now and then, huh?

Why not? This is BOTAIR, right?