That was my first thought too ! Bush’s problem is though that they won’t be happy with him until he converts to Islam.

SIJ6141 on July 17, 2007 at 11:21 PM

And starts beheading infidels.

My apologies for finishing your thought.

I finished R. Spencer’s book today “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.” He makes a great point about “Islamophobia.” Though there are moderate apostate Muslims Islam itself and its Koran is radical.

I mean like why should we fear people who only want to kill us?

Mojave Mark on July 17, 2007 at 8:45 PM

Fixed…

Wedge issue: How to pretend to be moderate for the moderates while embracing Trutherism to curry favor with the Truthers? Answer: Have selected Democrats denounce Ellison’s conspiracy theories, while the rest stay silent. Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.),…

Not all muslims are into terror…but so far all the evil guys have been muslim…how about that durbin…you moron…

a civil war between the 5 miullion muslims in america and the 250 million christians, that my friend is not a civil war, that is a genocide.

zane on July 18, 2007 at 7:22 AM

I’m not going to speak for the others here, but for me, if those 5 million Muslims were intent on replacing our democracy with Sharia law, then it it is not WE who are engaging in genocide. They are engaged in genocide and we are engaged in self defense.

i have read both robert spencers books, i have read many mnay books on Islam, my Masters Thesis was on political islma and thr iranian revolution,

zane on July 18, 2007 at 7:22 AM

Baloney. Considering the willful ignorance you’ve displayed in posts on this blog, I find it very hard to believe you’ve read those books or have a Masters in anything.

I like your plan for people to call the Chamber of Commerce… but consider the result….. St Paul and Mpls being both sanctuary cities… Ellison will just stay in the Cities and foment his ultimate revolution from there….. dramatic aren’t I?…. BTW stop blasting the state of MN folks as warriorlawyer mentioned it was a District that elected Ellison…. some of us MN’s are reforming the Wolverine brigade inside Mn Semper Fi!

I would very much like to read your thesis on political Islam and the Iranian Revolution. Is there any way you can make that available?

viper1 just for a moment listen to yourself, a civil war between the 5 miullion muslims in america and the 250 million christians, that my friend is not a civil war, that is a genocide.

so all muslims will lie, so we can never believe them, also even muslims who run for congress are secret agents of the jihad, you do remember how the nazis told us the talmud allowed the jews to lie to goym?

zane on July 18, 2007 at 5:13 AM

I guess I’ll chime in a little here, since zane you seem to believe that there is some shred of rationality which exists among the muslim population in question. I think you need to do some reading, and no the NYT doesnt count. You should start with Robert Spencers book and then perhaps Mark Steyns, though its clear from your ranting that you have your mind made up and couldnt see the trees for the forest if someone hit you in the forehead with it. I agree with kowboy, we are headed for a civil war, what that will look like remains to be seen, but Im confident that on one side of the conflict will reside those who practice the ways of Mohamed’s vile book. And those on the other will be those who believe in the founding fathers vision for this nation. I know where I will be, do you.

Had a conversation with my dad the other day in which I compared CAIR to Joe Colombo’s Italian “advocacy” group. Couldn’t remember the group’s name, but I remember that in Godfather III it became Joey Zasa’s “Marconi Society”. (Zasa, like……

I finished R. Spencer’s book today “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.” He makes a great point about “Islamophobia.” Though there are moderate Muslims Islam itself and its Koran is radical.

I mean like why should we fear people who only want to kill us?

Mojave Mark on July 17, 2007 at 8:45 PM

I wonder if a moderate Muslim is akin to a cafeteria Catholic?

“They told me they understood the point I was trying to make, but they didn’t think it was the right way to use that historical example, because they thought any sort of comparison to the modern world we live in in some way diminishes the horror of the Nazi era,” Ellison said.

As soon as I saw the Foxman was involved, I knew that this would be his take–the uniqueness of the Holocaust. Imho, and speaking as Jew, this uniqueness of the Holocaust meme is something better privately held, than publicly stated. It is beyond tactless to tell others what the extent of their suffering is.

When I saw Schindler’s List, I was crying like a baby through much of it. I left wondering what was up with the fountain impersonation. Like I didn’t already know this stuff? And then I realized that it was because it hooked into a tragedy in my own life, in which I was orphaned at 16 (and lost my younger brother at the same time). Somewhere in my inner world the two things were parallel, the Holocaust, and my tragedy. By comparison, by similarity, by analogy? I don’t know, but I’m sure Abe Foxman could tell me.

I have actually said to (carefully selected) people that I relate viscerally to the Holocaust because I’ve been through my own Holocaust. Strictly speaking that’s not true–I wasn’t singled out for the sorrow I was handed, for example–and so I suppose Abe Foxman would do his White Queen “Off with his head!” schtick to me too, if I were public figure, and were intemperate enough to make such a statement in public.

But I was told years and years ago by a very wise rabbi, after he listened to me pontificating about the theology of suffering in Judaism, “I hope you never say any of those things to someone who has been recently bereaved. It is simply out of all bounds of decency to tell another person how they should feel or think about what’s happened to them. You have no way of knowing what they are going through, but when you speak about those issues, you are pretending you do. This is unconscionable chutzpah.” And he quoted the famous saying from the Talmud which shows up in Schindler’s list, “‘He who saves one life, is considered as if he has saved the world entire.’ So if they’ve lost even one,” he continued, “have they not lost a world?”

When Foxman, or anyone else, tells someone that their loss, their genocide, cannot not be compared to the Holocaust, is he God that he can make such a statement? What kind of idiot would tell a Rawandan man who has had both legs and arms chopped off, that his survivorhood, doesn’t compare to the survivorhood of those who survived the Holocaust?

There are many things that can be said about the enormity of what the Holocaust was, and there are many things that cannot be said about that enormity, because there are no words, in many cases, that can contain that enormity, but I believe that this “uniqueness” business is something that one can think (and doesn’t everyone think that about their suffering, after all), that one can hold privately, but should not be said. And certainly not over, and over again. No love lost for Ellison, the slimy putz that he is. But using the Holocaust as form mau-mauing? Unconscionable chutzpah. No one’s blood is redder.

Liberty or Death on July 17, 2007 at 11:23 PM
That was some might fine smack down.

csdeven on July 17, 2007 at 11:35 PM

Thank you csdeven, he had it coming, he’s obviously another head in the sand left-tard. Here are some more comments between zane, myself, and Kowboy:

ok here im guessing you mean Mexico and not muslim?

and just to be clear your idea of resistence will be taking any muslim and imprisoning etc? or will there be a trial system to weed out good muslims from bad muslims, is that a distinction recognised by you?

i am just curious, i read alot of the time here and on other blogs cryptic messages like “we must prepare to retaliate at home”
“the day is coming” “muslims beware” etc all in context not of international state warefare but in the context of relations with american muslims.

zane on July 17, 2007 at 10:55 AM

Above was a comment posted by zane and below is a response from Kowboy.

My grandfather told me that there would be another Civil War in this country. He said not in his lifetime(And he was right), but probably in mine. The more I see these events unfolding in this country, the more inclined I am to think he was right.

And to your next question, no I don’t want to see it happen. But if we keep letting other people impose their cultures on us, instead of making them assimilate into ours, things are going to come to a head.

Kowboy on July 17, 2007 at 10:39 AM

Here’s my response to both:

Exactly, and here’s a link to an article called “Springtime in Islamberg” that bolsters Kowboy’s above statement:

http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/ArchDetails.aspx?id=200

After reading the article keep in mind this is only one of many camps the Islamic Jihadists have setup across our nation. It should be obvious to most with half a functioning synapse (zane) they have NO intentions of assimilating to our culture, respecting our secular government, or defending and upholding our constitution, and any of the residents that live nearby these camps will attest to the fact they (the Islamists) sure as hell aren’t planning a cookout where we can all hold hands and sing Koombaya!

Liberty or Death on July 17, 2007 at 11:00 PM

Why doesn’t any journalist- with their last shred of integrity and final surviving brain cells- ask Ellison to reconcile this apparent paradox.

What makes you think that they have ANY integrity or ANY brain cells?

Why doesn’t any journalist- with their last shred of integrity and final surviving brain cells- ask Ellison to reconcile this apparent paradox.

Liberty or Death on July 17, 2007 at 11:23 PM

That was some might fine smack down.

Here’s just one example of what we need to expose:

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

TruthToBeTold on July 17, 2007 at 10:39 PM

Exactly…on the other thread regarding Keith “I can’t back pedal fast enough” Ellison’s Reichstag comment a poster (zane, someone that shows all the traits of being an apologist peacenik) made the second quoted comment in reply to Kowboy’s comment quoted here:

The time is almost at hand where we will be forced by those that think Islam is a peaceful religion to take drastic action in order to preserve our freedom. Everyone better be getting ready.

Kowboy on July 17, 2007 at 9:08 AM

i would love to know what you people who make statements by this really mean…why not just be open instead of cryptic? are you saying at some point american muslims like keith ellison will have to be interred? deported?( to where?) and if theyt refused to leave what are you saying should be done? is the drastic measure you mention preparing to take up arms against the muslims in america??

zane on July 17, 2007 at 10:26 AM

To which I posted this in reply:

Nothing cryptic about it zane, myself and many Americans are more than prepared to defend our country’s freedoms and liberties from a non-secular strict religious ideology that is predicated upon no other laws being placed above their strict Sharia religious law!

If you think our current government is trying to limit your freedoms and civil liberties, if we sit back and do nothing and they are successful you haven’t begun to know the meaning of oppression, and if you’re not convinced then I recommend you study up more on non-secular countries governed by Islam/Sharia law.

As far as I’m concerned we should already be rounding up any and all Muslims for deportation that subscribe to this type of non-secular religious ideology as it is absolutely incompatible with the secular ideals and ideology of our nation and what constitutes a free nation where all people regardless of their race, creed, color, or religious beliefs are EQUAL and this precisely where Islam’s strict Sharia non-secular religious ideology is at complete odds with our type of democracy!

Furthermore, if after being deported and we continue to be attacked (suicide bombings of our shopping malls, places of education, etc.) then I have no problems with the people rising up and doing whatever is necessary to protect our way of live, our nation, and our freedoms including use of deadly force!

Freedom isn’t free and sometimes you are forced to fight for what is right against what is wrong and evil, and fascist Islam is EVIL! Hence my blog name, Liberty or Death, live free or die, cause living in chains is no way to live!

But then again you apologist peaceniks/pacifists could never understand this type of mentality; instead you’d be dragged to the death camps trying to “talk” to your overlords before you’d fight back for what is right!

Evil does not go away and leave you alone if you ignore it, instead it only grows stronger and more dangerous…wake up zane and smell your double-mocha-latte-frappachino (with sprinkles) before it’s too late!

Liberty or Death on July 17, 2007 at 10:28 PM

If Clinton was the first black president, Bush is the first Muslim president.

CAIR doesn’t see a good thing when they have it.

Valiant on July 17, 2007 at 9:13 PM

That was my first thought too ! Bush’s problem is though that they won’t be happy with him until he converts to Islam.

Perhaps they will realize the “stain” Ellison is on their good reputation and do something about it. If anything, it may make for an interesting (next) board meeting. I just made the call – and feel a lot better.