Keith Ellison very sorry for having stated what he actually believes
posted at 8:42 pm on July 17, 2007 by Allahpundit
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It’s amazing how two days of national media coverage plus a phone call from Abe Foxman can concentrate the mind.
“It’s almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that,” he said. “After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it and it put the leader of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted.”…
“In hindsight, I wouldn’t have used that reference point,” Ellison told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Tuesday. “It was probably inappropriate to use that example, because it’s a unique historical event, without really any clear parallels.”…
Ellison said he had gotten a call Tuesday afternoon from the Anti-Defamation League, an international group that opposes anti-Semitism, regarding the Hitler comparison.
“They told me they understood the point I was trying to make, but they didn’t think it was the right way to use that historical example, because they thought any sort of comparison to the modern world we live in in some way diminishes the horror of the Nazi era,” Ellison said. “I told them I feel they’re right.”
While Ellison was chatting with the AP, his pals from CAIR were describing the Bush administration’s “empower the Muslims” foreign policy and endless rhetoric about Islam meaning peace as Islamophobic. Follow the link and note in particular David Keene’s analogy between CAIR and the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League, a special interest group formed in the early 1970s by alleged mafioso Joe Colombo to mau-mau the cops into laying off mobsters or else face false cries of discrimination. Keene takes the comparison no further than the propensity of the two groups to cry wolf. I wonder if he had something more in mind.
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I finished R. Spencer’s book today “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.” He makes a great point about “Islamophobia.” Though there are moderate Muslims Islam itself and its Koran is radical.
I mean like why should we fear people who only want to kill us?
Mojave Mark on July 17, 2007 at 8:45 PM
And with that, and the D next to his name, all was forgiven. We are never to speak of his blatant Trutherism again, and how he stated that he won’t say that 9/11 was an inside job, simply because he doesn’t want to be dismissed or put in the nut-ball box (indicating he believes it, but won’t say it for fear of political fallout).
RightWinged on July 17, 2007 at 8:48 PM
I think he’s a little late on that one.
Kowboy on July 17, 2007 at 8:50 PM
I’m sorry I said what I said even though I meant what I said but I am sorry that I said what I meant I said even though I meant what I said but I am sorry that I said it.
MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 8:50 PM
My eyes were crossed at the end of that and now I have a headache. Thanks.
Kowboy on July 17, 2007 at 8:51 PM
And with that, and the D next to his name, all was forgiven.
RightWinged on July 17, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Now THAT’S hitting the nail on the head…
JWS on July 17, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Kowboy, take two aspirins and call me in the morning if your headache does not subside by then.
MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 8:54 PM
This man is a clear danger and enemy to America. I hope he’s being investigated. Fat chance, huh?
JWS on July 17, 2007 at 8:56 PM
I won’t apologize for throwing bacon at him…should I ever meet him.
SouthernGent on July 17, 2007 at 8:56 PM
A few passages from the book that Rep. elect Keith Ellison was sworn in on
MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 9:02 PM
In best **Roz** voice from Monsters Inc.,
Alden Pyle on July 17, 2007 at 9:02 PM
Rep. elect Keith EllisonRep. Keith EllisonMB4 on July 17, 2007 at 9:03 PM
From “Zorro the Gay Blade”,
Esteban: You naughty, evil
AlcaldeKeith Ellison! I’m going to do such terrible things to you!MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 9:08 PM
If Clinton was the first black president, Bush is the first Muslim president.
CAIR doesn’t see a good thing when they have it.
Valiant on July 17, 2007 at 9:13 PM
What’s next, Senator Bin Laden?
JayHaw Phrenzie on July 17, 2007 at 9:14 PM
I call BS! He’s a Muslim and can, with a clear “conscience”, lie to the infidels.
csdeven on July 17, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Taqiyya
Read all about it:
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php
infidel4life on July 17, 2007 at 9:15 PM
Trouble is, most people don’t know what the heck that means, and probably think you’re talking about a party with some
tequila
Vanquisher on July 17, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Did the ADL really tell Ellison that they understood his point, yada, yada, yada, only because using Nazi comparisons diminish the Nazi horrors?
Seriously? It would be okay for Ellison to just use the direct example and say Bush arranged planes to be flown into big buildings and then blamed it on a run-of-the-mill noxious political group we are opposed to, like, um, al-Qaeda.
I’d like a confirmation of that from ADL, please, before I blow a gasket and post what I just erased!
Dusty on July 17, 2007 at 9:29 PM
The real question remains…
Who slipped Ellision the “reichstag fire” talking point?
Zach on July 17, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Well, that’s why I posted the link.
Now where did I put those limes…
;-)
infidel4life on July 17, 2007 at 9:30 PM
And besides, how do we know the communists didn’t set the Reichstag fire?
Funny though, how it serves his muslim purposes to play the victim of a purported nazi conspiracy, but when it comes to the Holocaust, as a muslim, he would be the first in any room to deny the Holocaust as a conspiracy itself, exhonerating the same nazis he just previously indicted concerning the Reichstag.
Muslims will cherry pick what nazi crimes they wish to highlight and which they wish to deny.
jihadwatcher on July 17, 2007 at 9:54 PM
It’s reasonable to suspect that the men who call themselves “CAIR” are organized for the crimes commanded in the ninth sura: “fight and slay,” “seize,” “beleaguer,” and “lie in wait…in every stratagem.” Either they’re conspiring to follow the Q”u’r'a’nic commands or they’re lousy muslims.
A worthy project for clever men with wealth and connections would be to obtain CAIR’s written communications, record their conversations and meetings, and put everything on the Internet for the rest of us to analyze. On one hand, I don’t have such wealth and connections, and it’s possible I lack the required cleverness, too. On the other hand, I don’t accept that Bond-like, Wayne-like, Tracy-like, Phelps-like cunning is wholly fictional or beyond the capacities of every private American. Fifty years’ worth of adolescent fantasies are begging to be made real.
Kralizec on July 17, 2007 at 10:00 PM
If we cannot get term limits, I suggest a mulligan.
Example:
Ellison wins Minn.
Mulligan
I don’t golf but I know it would work real well for stooopid states that just have no clue. Kinda like Minn!
On-my-soap-box on July 17, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Valiant – “If Clinton was the first black president, Bush is the first Muslim president.”
You are correct, but you only get a score of 50% as you left of that he is also the first Mexican president. He is ambidextrous.
MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 10:14 PM
Thats right you’re sorry, now apologize!
boomer on July 17, 2007 at 10:15 PM
jihadwatcher – “Muslims will cherry pick what nazi crimes they wish to highlight and which they wish to deny.”
Thems the rules infidel. See koran and hadith. Says so right there. But then you know that.
MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 10:17 PM
I call BS! He’s a Muslim and can, with a clear “conscience”, lie to the infidels.
csdeven on July 17, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Word…
JWS on July 17, 2007 at 10:23 PM
Nah, if they’re not being victimized, they don’t have any leverage to shame anyone into appeasing them.
They don’t want to be embraced, they want to be oppressed.
Pablo on July 17, 2007 at 10:24 PM
And AP you wondered if:
Yes he did.
is antisemitism, meaning hate for a people simply because of race.
Islamophopia or the war-on-terror is not a hate for a people because of their race, but because of an ideology of terror.
He simply cannot be undone by a former Muslim black female immigrant who stated as much, Ayaan Hirsi Ali
That my friend is what he was trying to say.
The Islamofascists panderers have seen the writing on the wall and have here inserted a quote for the inevitable time as such when they have to give an account for their pandering.
Mcguyver on July 17, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Here’s just one example of what we need to expose:
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”
Do you have any idea who said this?
It was Omar Ahmad, the chairman of the board of CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations. CAIR’s spokesmen appear regularly in the media complaining about the treatment of Muslims and giving us the message that “Muslims are part of the fabric of this great country and are working to build a better America.”
But when speaking to a Muslim audience, as Omar Ahmad was, the message is not so benign
This is what Islam has in store for us. That is why I call it the Religion of Piece(s)!
TruthToBeTold on July 17, 2007 at 10:39 PM
Islam is an equal opportunity faith for all wankers, regardless of sex, color or twisted idea of reality.
I still can’t get over the land of Scandinavian settlers turning into a political third-world cesspool.
Hening on July 17, 2007 at 10:42 PM
He doesn’t mean it. And even if this was just a very stupid mistake, this will stick to him worse than the Iraq tarbaby sticks to Bush. And I’ll be one person who makes sure this sticks *evil laugh*.
mram on July 17, 2007 at 10:51 PM
I’m all about fighting back.
The city of Minneapolis is square in the middle of his putrid 5th District. Contact the Chamber of Commerce (the money guys, responsible for tourism, business, community relations, image, etc.) and kick them in the …. Tell them you will never set foot in their stinking city until Ellison is out with the garbage.
Here is their website with a list of numbers/email: http://www.minneapolischamber.org/chamber/contact.htm#BCC
Here is their main phone: (612)370-9100 or their CEO’s (Todd Klingel) for a direct call: (612)370-9155
Perhaps they will realize the “stain” Ellison is on their good reputation and do something about it. If anything, it may make for an interesting (next) board meeting. I just made the call – and feel a lot better.
warriorlawyer on July 17, 2007 at 10:59 PM
That was my first thought too ! Bush’s problem is though that they won’t be happy with him until he converts to Islam.
SIJ6141 on July 17, 2007 at 11:21 PM
Exactly…on the other thread regarding Keith “I can’t back pedal fast enough” Ellison’s Reichstag comment a poster (zane, someone that shows all the traits of being an apologist peacenik) made the second quoted comment in reply to Kowboy’s comment quoted here:
To which I posted this in reply:
Liberty or Death on July 17, 2007 at 11:23 PM
That was some might fine smack down.
csdeven on July 17, 2007 at 11:35 PM
A believing Muslim cannot honestly swear to uphold an infidel, non-Islamic document like the Constitution.
Why doesn’t any journalist- with their last shred of integrity and final surviving brain cells- ask Ellison to reconcile this apparent paradox.
profitsbeard on July 17, 2007 at 11:49 PM
What makes you think that they have ANY integrity or ANY brain cells?
TruthToBeTold on July 18, 2007 at 12:04 AM
They were talking about this on Redeye last Night. Andrew Levy mentioned the quote aout “they put you in a nutball-box’. He said “no you put yourself in the nutball box.”
PowWow on July 18, 2007 at 12:25 AM
Thank you csdeven, he had it coming, he’s obviously another head in the sand left-tard. Here are some more comments between zane, myself, and Kowboy:
Above was a comment posted by zane and below is a response from Kowboy.
Here’s my response to both:
Liberty or Death on July 18, 2007 at 12:25 AM
Why are you folks being so hard on Keith? After all, I’ve found that allusions to the Reichstag fire are the absolutely first thing that pop into my mind when I look for an example of leaders using a situation to increase their own power. Isn’t it for you?
eeyore on July 18, 2007 at 12:57 AM
As soon as I saw the Foxman was involved, I knew that this would be his take–the uniqueness of the Holocaust. Imho, and speaking as Jew, this uniqueness of the Holocaust meme is something better privately held, than publicly stated. It is beyond tactless to tell others what the extent of their suffering is.
When I saw Schindler’s List, I was crying like a baby through much of it. I left wondering what was up with the fountain impersonation. Like I didn’t already know this stuff? And then I realized that it was because it hooked into a tragedy in my own life, in which I was orphaned at 16 (and lost my younger brother at the same time). Somewhere in my inner world the two things were parallel, the Holocaust, and my tragedy. By comparison, by similarity, by analogy? I don’t know, but I’m sure Abe Foxman could tell me.
I have actually said to (carefully selected) people that I relate viscerally to the Holocaust because I’ve been through my own Holocaust. Strictly speaking that’s not true–I wasn’t singled out for the sorrow I was handed, for example–and so I suppose Abe Foxman would do his White Queen “Off with his head!” schtick to me too, if I were public figure, and were intemperate enough to make such a statement in public.
But I was told years and years ago by a very wise rabbi, after he listened to me pontificating about the theology of suffering in Judaism, “I hope you never say any of those things to someone who has been recently bereaved. It is simply out of all bounds of decency to tell another person how they should feel or think about what’s happened to them. You have no way of knowing what they are going through, but when you speak about those issues, you are pretending you do. This is unconscionable chutzpah.” And he quoted the famous saying from the Talmud which shows up in Schindler’s list, “‘He who saves one life, is considered as if he has saved the world entire.’ So if they’ve lost even one,” he continued, “have they not lost a world?”
When Foxman, or anyone else, tells someone that their loss, their genocide, cannot not be compared to the Holocaust, is he God that he can make such a statement? What kind of idiot would tell a Rawandan man who has had both legs and arms chopped off, that his survivorhood, doesn’t compare to the survivorhood of those who survived the Holocaust?
There are many things that can be said about the enormity of what the Holocaust was, and there are many things that cannot be said about that enormity, because there are no words, in many cases, that can contain that enormity, but I believe that this “uniqueness” business is something that one can think (and doesn’t everyone think that about their suffering, after all), that one can hold privately, but should not be said. And certainly not over, and over again. No love lost for Ellison, the slimy putz that he is. But using the Holocaust as form mau-mauing? Unconscionable chutzpah. No one’s blood is redder.
smellthecoffee on July 18, 2007 at 1:16 AM
I wonder if a moderate Muslim is akin to a cafeteria Catholic?
Irenaeus on July 18, 2007 at 1:40 AM
so all muslims will lie, so we can never believe them, also even muslims who run for congress are secret agents of the jihad, you do remember how the nazis told us the talmud allowed the jews to lie to goym?
zane on July 18, 2007 at 5:13 AM
I guess I’ll chime in a little here, since zane you seem to believe that there is some shred of rationality which exists among the muslim population in question. I think you need to do some reading, and no the NYT doesnt count. You should start with Robert Spencers book and then perhaps Mark Steyns, though its clear from your ranting that you have your mind made up and couldnt see the trees for the forest if someone hit you in the forehead with it. I agree with kowboy, we are headed for a civil war, what that will look like remains to be seen, but Im confident that on one side of the conflict will reside those who practice the ways of Mohamed’s vile book. And those on the other will be those who believe in the founding fathers vision for this nation. I know where I will be, do you.
Viper1 on July 18, 2007 at 7:06 AM
i have read both robert spencers books, i have read many mnay books on Islam, my Masters Thesis was on political islma and thr iranian revolution,
viper1 just for a moment listen to yourself, a civil war between the 5 miullion muslims in america and the 250 million christians, that my friend is not a civil war, that is a genocide.
zane on July 18, 2007 at 7:22 AM
Zane,
I would very much like to read your thesis on political Islam and the Iranian Revolution. Is there any way you can make that available?
awake on July 18, 2007 at 9:01 AM
warriorlawyer on July 17, 2007 at 10:59 PM
I like your plan for people to call the Chamber of Commerce… but consider the result….. St Paul and Mpls being both sanctuary cities… Ellison will just stay in the Cities and foment his ultimate revolution from there….. dramatic aren’t I?…. BTW stop blasting the state of MN folks as warriorlawyer mentioned it was a District that elected Ellison…. some of us MN’s are reforming the Wolverine brigade inside Mn Semper Fi!
MNDavenotPC on July 18, 2007 at 10:31 AM
Baloney. Considering the willful ignorance you’ve displayed in posts on this blog, I find it very hard to believe you’ve read those books or have a Masters in anything.
infidel4life on July 18, 2007 at 10:43 AM
I’m not going to speak for the others here, but for me, if those 5 million Muslims were intent on replacing our democracy with Sharia law, then it it is not WE who are engaging in genocide. They are engaged in genocide and we are engaged in self defense.
csdeven on July 18, 2007 at 11:15 AM
There are muslims out there that want me dead…ever hear a moderate muslim condemn terror…???….hmmmmmmm…ellison needs to be censored and thrown out of congress…
Not all muslims are into terror…but so far all the evil guys have been muslim…how about that durbin…you moron…
areseaoh on July 18, 2007 at 11:27 AM
I’m not aware , at least during my earning of my Masters, of any other faith that has at it’s basis of philosophy total hegemony and subjugation of other faith and peoples. That being said, I can only see Islam as a direct threat to my existence as a citizen and as a human.
MNDavenotPC on July 18, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Fixed…
Tim Burton on July 18, 2007 at 1:51 PM
And starts beheading infidels.
My apologies for finishing your thought.
soundingboard on July 18, 2007 at 9:58 PM
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