I finished R. Spencer’s book today “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.” He makes a great point about “Islamophobia.” Though there are moderate Muslims Islam itself and its Koran is radical.

I mean like why should we fear people who only want to kill us?

Mojave Mark on July 17, 2007 at 8:45 PM

simply because he doesn’t want to be dismissed or put in the nut-ball box.

RightWinged on July 17, 2007 at 8:48 PM

I think he’s a little late on that one.

Kowboy on July 17, 2007 at 8:50 PM

MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 8:50 PM

My eyes were crossed at the end of that and now I have a headache. Thanks.

Kowboy on July 17, 2007 at 8:51 PM

Kowboy, take two aspirins and call me in the morning if your headache does not subside by then.

MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 8:54 PM

I won’t apologize for throwing bacon at him…should I ever meet him.

SouthernGent on July 17, 2007 at 8:56 PM

In best **Roz** voice from Monsters Inc.,

“I’m watching you Ellison, always watching, always.”

Alden Pyle on July 17, 2007 at 9:02 PM

From “Zorro the Gay Blade”,

Esteban: You naughty, evil Alcalde Keith Ellison! I’m going to do such terrible things to you!

MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 9:08 PM

What’s next, Senator Bin Laden?

JayHaw Phrenzie on July 17, 2007 at 9:14 PM

Taqiyya

Read all about it:

http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php

infidel4life on July 17, 2007 at 9:15 PM

“They told me they understood the point I was trying to make, but they didn’t think it was the right way to use that historical example …”

Did the ADL really tell Ellison that they understood his point, yada, yada, yada, only because using Nazi comparisons diminish the Nazi horrors?

Seriously? It would be okay for Ellison to just use the direct example and say Bush arranged planes to be flown into big buildings and then blamed it on a run-of-the-mill noxious political group we are opposed to, like, um, al-Qaeda.

I’d like a confirmation of that from ADL, please, before I blow a gasket and post what I just erased!

Dusty on July 17, 2007 at 9:29 PM

Vanquisher on July 17, 2007 at 9:21 PM

Well, that’s why I posted the link.

Now where did I put those limes…

;-)

infidel4life on July 17, 2007 at 9:30 PM

Keene takes the comparison no further than the propensity of the two groups to cry wolf. I wonder if he had something more in mind.

It’s reasonable to suspect that the men who call themselves “CAIR” are organized for the crimes commanded in the ninth sura: “fight and slay,” “seize,” “beleaguer,” and “lie in wait…in every stratagem.” Either they’re conspiring to follow the Q”u’r'a’nic commands or they’re lousy muslims.

A worthy project for clever men with wealth and connections would be to obtain CAIR’s written communications, record their conversations and meetings, and put everything on the Internet for the rest of us to analyze. On one hand, I don’t have such wealth and connections, and it’s possible I lack the required cleverness, too. On the other hand, I don’t accept that Bond-like, Wayne-like, Tracy-like, Phelps-like cunning is wholly fictional or beyond the capacities of every private American. Fifty years’ worth of adolescent fantasies are begging to be made real.

Kralizec on July 17, 2007 at 10:00 PM

Valiant - “If Clinton was the first black president, Bush is the first Muslim president.”

You are correct, but you only get a score of 50% as you left of that he is also the first Mexican president. He is ambidextrous.

MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 10:14 PM

jihadwatcher - “Muslims will cherry pick what nazi crimes they wish to highlight and which they wish to deny.”

Thems the rules infidel. See koran and hadith. Says so right there. But then you know that.

MB4 on July 17, 2007 at 10:17 PM

If Clinton was the first black president, Bush is the first Muslim president.

CAIR doesn’t see a good thing when they have it.

Nah, if they’re not being victimized, they don’t have any leverage to shame anyone into appeasing them.

They don’t want to be embraced, they want to be oppressed.

Pablo on July 17, 2007 at 10:24 PM

Here’s just one example of what we need to expose:

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

Do you have any idea who said this?

It was Omar Ahmad, the chairman of the board of CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations. CAIR’s spokesmen appear regularly in the media complaining about the treatment of Muslims and giving us the message that “Muslims are part of the fabric of this great country and are working to build a better America.”

But when speaking to a Muslim audience, as Omar Ahmad was, the message is not so benign

This is what Islam has in store for us. That is why I call it the Religion of Piece(s)!

TruthToBeTold on July 17, 2007 at 10:39 PM

He doesn’t mean it. And even if this was just a very stupid mistake, this will stick to him worse than the Iraq tarbaby sticks to Bush. And I’ll be one person who makes sure this sticks *evil laugh*.

mram on July 17, 2007 at 10:51 PM

If Clinton was the first black president, Bush is the first Muslim president.

CAIR doesn’t see a good thing when they have it.

Valiant on July 17, 2007 at 9:13 PM

That was my first thought too ! Bush’s problem is though that they won’t be happy with him until he converts to Islam.

SIJ6141 on July 17, 2007 at 11:21 PM

Liberty or Death on July 17, 2007 at 11:23 PM

That was some might fine smack down.

csdeven on July 17, 2007 at 11:35 PM

Why doesn’t any journalist- with their last shred of integrity and final surviving brain cells- ask Ellison to reconcile this apparent paradox.

What makes you think that they have ANY integrity or ANY brain cells?

TruthToBeTold on July 18, 2007 at 12:04 AM

Liberty or Death on July 17, 2007 at 11:23 PM
That was some might fine smack down.

csdeven on July 17, 2007 at 11:35 PM

Thank you csdeven, he had it coming, he’s obviously another head in the sand left-tard. Here are some more comments between zane, myself, and Kowboy:

ok here im guessing you mean Mexico and not muslim?

and just to be clear your idea of resistence will be taking any muslim and imprisoning etc? or will there be a trial system to weed out good muslims from bad muslims, is that a distinction recognised by you?

i am just curious, i read alot of the time here and on other blogs cryptic messages like “we must prepare to retaliate at home”
“the day is coming” “muslims beware” etc all in context not of international state warefare but in the context of relations with american muslims.

zane on July 17, 2007 at 10:55 AM

Above was a comment posted by zane and below is a response from Kowboy.

My grandfather told me that there would be another Civil War in this country. He said not in his lifetime(And he was right), but probably in mine. The more I see these events unfolding in this country, the more inclined I am to think he was right.

And to your next question, no I don’t want to see it happen. But if we keep letting other people impose their cultures on us, instead of making them assimilate into ours, things are going to come to a head.

Kowboy on July 17, 2007 at 10:39 AM

Here’s my response to both:

Exactly, and here’s a link to an article called “Springtime in Islamberg” that bolsters Kowboy’s above statement:

http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/ArchDetails.aspx?id=200

After reading the article keep in mind this is only one of many camps the Islamic Jihadists have setup across our nation. It should be obvious to most with half a functioning synapse (zane) they have NO intentions of assimilating to our culture, respecting our secular government, or defending and upholding our constitution, and any of the residents that live nearby these camps will attest to the fact they (the Islamists) sure as hell aren’t planning a cookout where we can all hold hands and sing Koombaya!

Liberty or Death on July 17, 2007 at 11:00 PM

Liberty or Death on July 18, 2007 at 12:25 AM

“They told me they understood the point I was trying to make, but they didn’t think it was the right way to use that historical example, because they thought any sort of comparison to the modern world we live in in some way diminishes the horror of the Nazi era,” Ellison said.

As soon as I saw the Foxman was involved, I knew that this would be his take–the uniqueness of the Holocaust. Imho, and speaking as Jew, this uniqueness of the Holocaust meme is something better privately held, than publicly stated. It is beyond tactless to tell others what the extent of their suffering is.

When I saw Schindler’s List, I was crying like a baby through much of it. I left wondering what was up with the fountain impersonation. Like I didn’t already know this stuff? And then I realized that it was because it hooked into a tragedy in my own life, in which I was orphaned at 16 (and lost my younger brother at the same time). Somewhere in my inner world the two things were parallel, the Holocaust, and my tragedy. By comparison, by similarity, by analogy? I don’t know, but I’m sure Abe Foxman could tell me.

I have actually said to (carefully selected) people that I relate viscerally to the Holocaust because I’ve been through my own Holocaust. Strictly speaking that’s not true–I wasn’t singled out for the sorrow I was handed, for example–and so I suppose Abe Foxman would do his White Queen “Off with his head!” schtick to me too, if I were public figure, and were intemperate enough to make such a statement in public.

But I was told years and years ago by a very wise rabbi, after he listened to me pontificating about the theology of suffering in Judaism, “I hope you never say any of those things to someone who has been recently bereaved. It is simply out of all bounds of decency to tell another person how they should feel or think about what’s happened to them. You have no way of knowing what they are going through, but when you speak about those issues, you are pretending you do. This is unconscionable chutzpah.” And he quoted the famous saying from the Talmud which shows up in Schindler’s list, “‘He who saves one life, is considered as if he has saved the world entire.’ So if they’ve lost even one,” he continued, “have they not lost a world?”

When Foxman, or anyone else, tells someone that their loss, their genocide, cannot not be compared to the Holocaust, is he God that he can make such a statement? What kind of idiot would tell a Rawandan man who has had both legs and arms chopped off, that his survivorhood, doesn’t compare to the survivorhood of those who survived the Holocaust?

There are many things that can be said about the enormity of what the Holocaust was, and there are many things that cannot be said about that enormity, because there are no words, in many cases, that can contain that enormity, but I believe that this “uniqueness” business is something that one can think (and doesn’t everyone think that about their suffering, after all), that one can hold privately, but should not be said. And certainly not over, and over again. No love lost for Ellison, the slimy putz that he is. But using the Holocaust as form mau-mauing? Unconscionable chutzpah. No one’s blood is redder.

smellthecoffee on July 18, 2007 at 1:16 AM

so all muslims will lie, so we can never believe them, also even muslims who run for congress are secret agents of the jihad, you do remember how the nazis told us the talmud allowed the jews to lie to goym?

zane on July 18, 2007 at 5:13 AM

i have read both robert spencers books, i have read many mnay books on Islam, my Masters Thesis was on political islma and thr iranian revolution,

viper1 just for a moment listen to yourself, a civil war between the 5 miullion muslims in america and the 250 million christians, that my friend is not a civil war, that is a genocide.

zane on July 18, 2007 at 7:22 AM

warriorlawyer on July 17, 2007 at 10:59 PM

I like your plan for people to call the Chamber of Commerce… but consider the result….. St Paul and Mpls being both sanctuary cities… Ellison will just stay in the Cities and foment his ultimate revolution from there….. dramatic aren’t I?…. BTW stop blasting the state of MN folks as warriorlawyer mentioned it was a District that elected Ellison…. some of us MN’s are reforming the Wolverine brigade inside Mn Semper Fi!

MNDavenotPC on July 18, 2007 at 10:31 AM

a civil war between the 5 miullion muslims in america and the 250 million christians, that my friend is not a civil war, that is a genocide.

zane on July 18, 2007 at 7:22 AM

I’m not going to speak for the others here, but for me, if those 5 million Muslims were intent on replacing our democracy with Sharia law, then it it is not WE who are engaging in genocide. They are engaged in genocide and we are engaged in self defense.

csdeven on July 18, 2007 at 11:15 AM

I’m not aware , at least during my earning of my Masters, of any other faith that has at it’s basis of philosophy total hegemony and subjugation of other faith and peoples. That being said, I can only see Islam as a direct threat to my existence as a citizen and as a human.

MNDavenotPC on July 18, 2007 at 12:09 PM

That was my first thought too ! Bush’s problem is though that they won’t be happy with him until he converts to Islam.

SIJ6141 on July 17, 2007 at 11:21 PM

And starts beheading infidels.

My apologies for finishing your thought.

soundingboard on July 18, 2007 at 9:58 PM